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Thank You

JamesBWatson, thank you for the unblock and I would just like to confirm to you that I was not the one to have operated that account that was the reason for my account block in the first place. Sense the computer I use this account on is a family computer I am just going out there and saying that it could have been my brother and or his friends. Very sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for unblocking me. Arsenalkid700, 12 August 2011, 22:02 (UTC)

John A Rowland High School

Return of a problematic editor

Hello JBW. I just wanted to give you a heads up that 64.75.121.3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has come off the three month block that you gave them and has gone right back to performing the same bogus edits (some of them to the same articles) that caused the block back in June. New warnings have been added to their talk page. If you want us to wait until they have accumulated a few more - and if you would prefer us to report them at AIV - that will be fine. I just wanted you to be able to be on the look out as the more eyes on this kind of editing the better. Thanks for your time and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I have blocked it again, but unfortunately it's likely they will just use another IP address. However, there has been quite a long time with little activity, so it's also possible that the person is beginning to tire of the nonsense. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick action on this. You are right about the IP hopping done by this person. I would keep my fingers crossed that they are tiring of this but it is harder to type on my keyboard when I do that :-) so I will just keep an eye out for their nonsense edits and let you know if they return. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Per BMK's suggestion, I have created a subpage listing all the IPs I know for certain this guy to have used through WP:DUCK. It can be found here, and if any of you who have fighting this creep have anything to add to it, that would be appreciated. Since most of his edits are from the 166.137... or the 75.194/213... ranges, it's always discouraging when he pops up in different ranges like the one above. Cheers... Doc talk 04:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

He has returned and is currently making his bogus edits from this IP 75.250.166.109 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Thanks for the creating the subpage Doc. I will be adding this IP when I am done here, Whatta pest! MarnetteD | Talk 21:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

hi again I don't know if you are still online but he has returned 75.213.151.226 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I cleanup the edits and then head to AIV if you are enjoying some time off wiki :-) MarnetteD | Talk 19:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Funfuntimes20

Something frivolous was written in your block message on this page. Calabe1992 (talk) 21:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Page Protection if you please

This article List of My Little Pony characters is unfortunately heavily spammed and in need of reconstruction. I've tried to maintain the page as best I could, but the user Tama Fan is not a good help and pretty immature. The user is sometimes using the user account and sometimes IP Hopping to make further edits some of them unconstructive. Due to using IP Address and User Account to gang up on User:Blackgaia02 and possible flame baiting, that user blocked twice, via edit wars and there doesn't seem to be orderly editing control on the page. Making it non-accessible to IP-Users would be a good start since no other anonymous IP-Users seem to be editing the page. Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Deltasim (talk) 10:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I have looked extensively at the recent editing history of both this article and other related articles. I see editors getting quite passionate about what look to me like trivial differences of opinion. I see more than one editor whose ability to write proper English is, in my view, inadequate for editing English language Misplaced Pages. I see ownership issues. I do not, however, see anything which would justify page protection under the terms of the protection policy. It does not appear to be true that no other editors have been editing anonymously on this article: in recent days there have been anon editors from three different continents. I am reluctant in those circumstances to protect the article, thus cutting out some legitimate editors. I have, however, blocked Tama Fan and a few IPs that he/she has used for sockpuppetry. If further edits come via IPs that look as though they are from Tama Fan in the next couple of days then please let me know, and I will reconsider whether to semiprotect the article. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Sounds Reasonable. Deltasim (talk) 12:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

James, I can't see what warrents this block. Editing from an IP while logged out is not sockpuppetry. The user was not under a block nor was the user in any discussion that I could see where multiple accounts would give the wrong impression of a consensus. Tama.Fan is currently engaged in an editing dispute with User:Blackgaia02 who has displayed 3RR and ownership issues. Blackgaia02 asked User:Deltasim to help him with this. I feel this is a retaliation block. Based on this block, I'm also questioning whether Deltasim and Blackgaia02 may be the same person. Both have called others "immature" over 'My Little Pony' edits. Although that's all I've got going on that, I'll be keeping an eye out. I'd like to ask you to unblock Tama Fan unless you know some detail I don't.--v/r - TP 13:08, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I warn you not to even compare me to User:Blackgaia02, that is an outrageous accusation. Examine my editing patterns and judge wisely. Whether you block or report that user is no business of mine. I know an immature user when I see one. I do not believe Tama Fan is a persistent pest like that Blinky Fan, but Tama Fan has got to learn the importance of citing sources, not clutter up articles. Editing from an IP while logged may not be sockpuppetry but using one or more IP Addresses in combination with the user account to gang up on a user shown clearly in Talk:List of My Little Pony characters section "For Blackgaia02" is unacceptable behaviour and a form of spam. If Tama Fan has inded been right the whole time, I'll be sure to professionally apologise. Deltasim (talk) 14:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me, "A form of spam"? I think you are mistaken. Please prove ganging up has occured as Tama Fan has used the account and IP claim some sort of consensus.--v/r - TP 17:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Nobody will be able to prove that. All I can say is that I've played my part and I am moving on. This matter either be closed or continued without me. The choice is yours. Deltasim (talk) 17:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

• If TParis can give a plausible interpretation of this edit other than an attempt to pretend that someone else is supporting Tama Fan's opinion then I will be most impressed. And I don't understand why this is not a discussion where "multiple accounts would give the wrong impression of a consensus". JamesBWatson (talk) 18:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

You've blocked for a 2 week old edit? Blocks arn't supposed to be punative.--v/r - TP 19:16, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I've been wrangling this situation for a while alongside TParis, and both Black Gaia and Tama Fan have...competence issues, and I'd be happy to see neither of them editing the article anymore. My feeling about this block is that yes, Tama Fan seems to have used an IP to agree with himself, quite weakly ("yep, you're right!" is hardly much of a good attempt to sway the course of the conversation). However: Has he done it multiple times? Has he done it since that time? Was he made aware of the fact that our policy doesn't allow that? 2 weeks for an old editReading comprehension fail, sry An immediate multi-day block for an editor who wasn't warned seems a bit on the steep side, especially when taken in the context of the block happening because Black Gaia seems to have switched tactics to "reporting TF to other admins" when I told him he was no longer permitted to just revert everything TF did. I'm not questioning James's neutrality on the issue, but I don't like the gamesmanship that went on in James's attention being drawn here in the first place. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid that somehow I managed to fail to register that the sockpuppetry was two weeks ago. I am grateful to TParis for pointing out my mistake, and I have unblocked both the account and the IPs. However, the answer to "has he done it multiple times?" is "Yes. I pointed out the most blatant example, but there have been other IP edits which I have no doubt were intended to look as though they came from different users". And the answer to "Was he made aware of the fact that our policy doesn't allow that?" is "Pretending to be more than one person in an attempt to mislead other editors is dishonest. There is no way that anyone can do it and not know that it is dishonest, whether they know that there is a written policy against it or not. It is perfectly common practice to block for sockpuppetry without warning." As for the suggestion of gamesmanship, I think I won't comment on that. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, let me clarify - I don't think you were part of the gamesmanship. I think there was gamesmanship that led to other editors deciding to ask you to act, and my complaint there is not that I think you did anything untoward in blocking, just that the block felt a little bit like innocent fruit of a poisonous tree because of the manner in which people drew your attention to Tama Fan. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Personally I'd like to apologise for making you the man the middle. I was under the impression I was doing the right thing, but you've convinced that neither debating user is better than the other. I hope TParis is prepared for apologise for the accusation made earlier. You can count on me to keep out of this debate ever afterwards. Take care and happy editing. Deltasim (talk) 21:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry to accuse you of socking. I would ask that you do quit calling folks immature for differing in their editing style though. Thanks James for reverting. I'm sorry if I came off rude. Thanks Fluffernutter for working things out.--v/r - TP 00:24, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

All right, what's next. Shutting down my account?

How am i supossed to "put this request in at Misplaced Pages:Changing username as soon as possible to avoid re-blocking" when there is no link to the official username change page?!?!?! Misplaced Pages, you are so annoying!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipis209.195.82.87 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

There is a link to Misplaced Pages:Changing username, and on that page there are full instructions, including links to the pages where requests can be submitted. The one you want is at a link labelled "Simple", near the bottom of the page. (Incidentally, I wouldn't have objected to your existing username, but since some people evidently do object, I strongly recommend changing it to avoid being reblocked.) JamesBWatson (talk) 21:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you god! Boy I Was being kinda clumsy at that time. LOL. Now my links is ready for the change here: Misplaced Pages:Changing_username/Simple#Ipis209.195.82.87_.E2.86.92_fairlyoddparents1234 FOPFan300 21:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Duei33

You clearly have more patience than me by giving Duei33 a welcome message rather than a block, but I can understand why you did it. I didn't go searching for the copyvio but it does look certain that that is what he/she was doing. Perhaps you could keep an eye on the article and take action if the user ignores your good advice - either that or I will re-report at WP:AIV. Thanks. --Biker Biker (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Capacity Global

Hi James, Just wondered what it specifically was about the Capacity Global page you deleted that you classed as 'advertising'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flowerpetal07 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

If you honestly did not see it as promotional then I can only assume that one or both of the following applies: (1) you are so closely involved in the organisation that you cannot stand back from it and see how it looks from the objective perspective of an outsider, (2) you work in marketing or advertising, and are so used to marketing speak that you have become desensitised to it. The whole article from start to finish did nothing other than to tell us what a good job "Capacity Global" is doing, and continually told us what Capacity Global's own claims about itself are. Nowhere was there anything that looked like an impartial outsider's view. If you were sincerely unaware of that then it seems certain that you have a close involvement with it, and in that case Misplaced Pages's conflict of interest guidelines strongly discourage you from writing about it. If the organisation satisfies Misplaced Pages's notability standards then probably an independent third party observer will sooner or later write an article about it. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Different direction :-)

I EC'd with you on E55chargers ... my decline was about to say: "As you have continuously been told that this username cannot be used on Misplaced Pages, and that spam is not permitted, your continued use of the unblock process while not actually changing your username is considered to be abuse of the unblock process. As such, I am declining this unblock and will be locking your talkpage to prevent further abuse" (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I was in two minds about this, and actually got as far as posting a decline, but reconsidered before clicking "Save page". After some thought I decided to unblock on a WP:ROPE basis, with what I hope was a clear indication that it was conditional on both no promotional editing and a change of username. Well, we'll see how it turns out. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully your rope didn't come with soap LOL (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Khalil Gibran School Rabat

Hi James i hope that i have satisfied the copyright tag issue with the KGS school logo. You flagged the page citing the sources. I am interested the development of international education in Morocco and it is very useful if schools that offer such programs can be known to the wider world.

In my experience many families have found places in international schools around the world for their children based on factual information from Misplaced Pages archives.

I will of course accept any guidance that can offer in order to satisfy the requirements.

Many Thanks

Russell aka scylaxus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scylaxus (talk • contribs) 19:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the reply re: IP 219.79.214.46. I do understand your initial comment about good faith edits. As I was using Igloo it doesn't give the option of being more specific about warnings. I will bear this in mind in future. Vrenator (talk) 11:14, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I have little experience of Igloo, but I rather think the same applies to Igloo as to Huggle: you need to remember it is a tool with limited functionality, and be prepared to step out of that tool and edit manually when the tool doesn't have exactly the right functionality. When I use Huggle I always have a browser open ready to use for manual editing when necessary. It slows me down, but that is a price that has to be paid. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

User:SamiraJ

He is Agressive Romanian user (He is reincarnation banned User Iaaasi, as he said via e-mail. Iaaasi has a new internet provider), who had chauvinist mentality. He don't interested the wiki rules, like the 3 revert rule. He also deleted well referenced statements. See Banat of Temeswar ‎, and the Gesta Hungarorum articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.100.203 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 23 September 2011

Thanks. Clearly the same person. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

User page deletion

Umm...I think User:Hazara-Birar wants to retrieve their user page. See the talk page of the user. Mar4d (talk) 11:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Neutral with Acts

Hi James, my edits were presenting the truth neutrally about the Acts of the Apostles. Previously the remarks were very bias against Acts. I spent lots of hard work to improve the article with sources and you took it all away. Please show some respect for other people's work. God bless you. WalkerThrough (talk) 21:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I am aware that your principal, if not only, purpose in editing Misplaced Pages is to impose your own religious interpretations on articles, but please don't presume to impose your religious views on me. Please reserve your "God bless you" for people who you know accept the assumptions built into such a remark. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Please revert your change to many days of hard work that I spent improving Acts, and making it neutral with all sides presented, or I plan to take this to the appropriate authority (yes I know you are an Administrator). WalkerThrough (talk) 21:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

"Improving" is an opinion. I don't know what you mean by "the appropriate authority", but Misplaced Pages substantially works on a peer system: if an editor disagrees with another editor's changes then they have the right to revert them. If an editor keeps on reverting back to their own preferred version then that is a different matter, known as "edit warring", which can lead to being blocked from editing, but a single revert is not subject to any sanctions, unless there are specific reasons, such as that it is vandalism. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I am helping present the truth in Misplaced Pages, which is in line with the Words of Jesus, who is the Truth, and Savior of the world. I can present that neutrally according to the rules of Misplaced Pages. There is no imposing to it. I am doing it with neutral language. I am not POV pushing in the article. I am presenting the other side neutrally. Please revert your edit to all my changes in Acts. WalkerThrough (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)