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ken griffey jr.

hey man, not trying to vandalize anything, i just think that alot of what is considered is public knowledge in this day and age about one of the most celebrated baseball players of the 1990-2000s. He is also known to be a CF, RF, DH, occasional LF and 1B. I understand the want to verify and make this page as completely encyclopedic as possible; however, again, a lot of this IS public knowledge and thusly needs no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.75.135 (talk) June 16, 2011, 19:47 (UTC)

Re: Minor league category

Dámaso Marté's nationality and the lead

Just curious, whereabouts in the MOS does it say not to include nationality in the lead? WP:OPENPARA is what I've always gone by, and 3.1 is pretty clear that nationality is fine, but ethnicity needn't be mentioned unless relevant to notability. Regards, Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 16:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. I confused myself between "nationality" and "ethnicity". – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Assistance requested

First off, thank you for helping me add 'braves=yes' to many of the key pages related to the Atlanta Braves franchise. I do, however, require some assistance getting the WP 1.0 bot to function correctly for WikiProject Atlanta Braves. Before I began the project I spent a considerable amount of time studying what needed to be done to ensure everything worked properly. It would now appear that I missed something important along the way. I have set up the required pages, categories, and templates as described on the Bot's how to use page. It is quite clear that I messed up somewhere along the way. Any help you can offer in resolving these problems would be greatly appreciated. Bbqsauce13 (talk) 06:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to do that. Ask editors associated with the bot for assistance. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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Troy Polamalu

I seen someone changed your last change of Troy playing for the steelers. Someone changed it to the Bears incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.142.62.24 (talk) 14:30, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Ruben Rivera

I find it hard to believe that for a guy who spent parts of 9 seasons in the majors and garnered a World Series ring, that a minor and comical baserunning incident (in the month of May, yet) would be the highlight of the guy's career. Had it made some critical difference late in the season or in the post-season, that could be another matter... or if it was widely covered over time, such as Babe Herman's "doubled into a double play" incident in the 1930s. P.S. If someone's comments are highly insulting and have nothing to do with improving the article, I see no problem in your deleting them. In fact, the user has it wrong. An incident in a player's career does not just need to be verified as having happened, it needs to be verified for notability. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for saying that. It makes me feel a little less crazy. All I'm trying to do is maintain the general principles of Misplaced Pages, and I'm being considered a bad guy on par with the personal attacker. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Just be careful not to fall into the 3-reverts trap. There have been some block-happy admins around here lately. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Considering an IP has now started making that edit adding the baserunning event, I could use your help in reverting it and/or deciding whether or not to go forward with a sockpuppet investigation. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I had somehow failed to put it on my watch list the other day, but it's on it now. :) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I expect that edit warring isn't over yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Seattle Pilots Template

Yes, thanks for the heads up. I need some help with it. Not sure where to get information on their one year of existence. Please help if you can. Arnabdas (talk) 14:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Retrosheet has just about any stats anyone would want to know, and probably a lot more, about the one-year wonder called the Seattle Pilots. And if you want some real inside dope, find a copy of Jim Bouton's book Ball Four. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

However, be aware that there is already a Template:Milwaukee Brewers that may well cover the 1969 season adequately. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

We were talking about {{1969 Seattle Pilots}}. I showed him the B-Ref pages, but Retrosheet works well too. I really do need to read Ball Four one of these days. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I think Baseball-Reference gets a lot of its info from Retrosheet. I know Baseball Almanac does. Jim Bouton's Ball Four inspired a lot of imitators, although Jim Brosnan's works from a decade earlier, The Long Season and Pennant Race, were kind of the precursor to this "diary" style of writing. Brosnan's work was controversial in its day, but it was pretty tame compared to Ball Four. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Red Snapp

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Braves note

Hey. This is probably a little late since you and bbqsauce likely got most of them, but if you didn't, I can probably do a mass addition through AWB of any braves players if you'd prefer. Would definitely be quicker. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

You mean tagging their talk pages? Please do. I've tried AWB but don't really have the patience to learn how to fully utilize it. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Yanks roster

He/she did another revert after you warned him. I'm afraid to hit "Undo" again, since I don't want to be blocked for edit warring either. I did request semi-protection for the template earlier today. Let me know if you need me to do anything else. Kjscotte34 (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Looks like we're good. Teamwork always wins. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

The 72 hour ban expired. Guess who's back, already, changing the template to a spring training roster? Kjscotte34 (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Ooh ooh let me guess... Santa? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

1992 Major League Baseball expansion draft

I saw this at GAN. It strikes me as being more of a list than anything else. Wouldn't FLC be the better route to take? Resolute 01:07, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Maybe. I did struggle with that distinction a bit before I nominated it. My thinking was that there was enough prose to make it more of an article with a list in it, as opposed to a list with some prose. Maybe I should rescind the GAN and go with FLC. I'm not sure. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

My personal inclination is it belongs at FLC. One of us could start a discussion at WT:GAN for more viewpoints though. I just noticed it and didn't want to have you sit in the queue for two months only to have a reviewer dump it on an argument it is at the wrong process. Resolute 01:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that would suck. I will start that thread. Thanks for the advice. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Deleting tiny Career Statistics section

Why is it ok to delete the 1 or 2 lines for Career Statistics summary, but it is ok to leave the many lines on Rankings all through Misplaced Pages? It doesn't make any sense if the idea is to save bandwidth. Or is there another reason I'm not aware of? This was what I thought was the stated reason on the "consensus" (how many people in this 'consensus' idea?) for the deleting of Career Statistics. Was I wrong all this time? Where *is* this consensus (link) stated so I can see it for myself? Katydidit (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

See here. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

re this

The website responsible for the account is a reliable source. Graphic designers rely on that website. CRRaysHead90 | 04:23, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not a graphic designer, so I've never heard of it, and I'm sure I won't be the only one to question it. Do they have a writeup they published on their own site which we could then consider a reliable source? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The website hasn't been updated yet, but the blog has, I found the image on a website that's been used a reliable source before, Chris Creamers' Sports Logos. Graphics design speaking, those two websites, along with Uni Watch in this case, are about as reliable as you get. CRRaysHead90 | 04:32, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I do know uniwatch. They list the colors as "gold, orange, aqua and black (outlined in grey)". – Muboshgu (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

He listed rough color names like you or I would, the two sites I've pointed you to list the exact colors. CRRaysHead90 | 04:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

ROY succession

Having the succession boxes seems to be standard, see Geovany Soto, Ryan Braun, and other past winners. If you disagree with precedent, you may take it up at WT:BASEBALL; however, until consensus on the matter has been reached, kindly restore my changes. GlassCobra 20:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, there's been a lot of movement to remove those succession boxes. There was discussion on this topic at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_27#Career_highlights_in_infobox. Just because they haven't been removed from those other pages doesn't mean they should all stay, it means nobody has gotten to those yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing in the section you linked that would indicate a consensus about removing the succession boxes, the only mention of them is in the final statement as an afterthought. As there appears to be no justification as yet for removing the succession boxes, I'd suggest you revert your changes and have a specific discussion on the matter at WT:BASEBALL. GlassCobra 20:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't discussed at length because it doesn't need to be discussed at length: they are simply redundant to each other. The succession box lists only the year, previous winner, and next winner. The navbox shows all winners. It doesn't make sense to keep both, and considering the navbox contains more information, it's an easy decision as to which should be removed. Even Template:Succession box says that it is a "mostly depreciated" template. Succession boxes should only be used when there is no navbox. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

So "there's been a lot of movement," yet it "wasn't discussed at length"? If the one mention in that section is the only input on the succession boxes, that is insufficient. If there's been discussion elsewhere, kindly show me. I'm perfectly willing to uphold consensus, I just haven't seen any evidence of it yet. GlassCobra 20:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Apologies for my lack of clarity. There has been movement in terms of editors deleting redundant succession boxes when they come across them (though I don't remember who, I've seen a number of instances on my watchlist in the last few weeks), though there has not been a great deal of discussion on the topic. Not everything requires consensus to be done; Misplaced Pages would grind to a halt in that case. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Oversaw this while posting below. I am one of those editors. See discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_90#Using_navboxes_where_succession_boxes_would_suffice.—Bagumba (talk) 00:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

my bad prod on umps

Thanks for catching that. I even double-checked WP:BASE/N before opening and must have misread the entry for minor league umps. However, I wonder if most umps ultimately pass WP:GNG (no interest in pursuing).—Bagumba (talk) 00:20, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I've made similar mistakes lately. I was wondering myself if MLB umpires are so important that they should be included in BASE/N myself, but I'm not looking to open that can of worms either. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Roster question

Why are some roster templates scrunced together when you click All MLB rosters, like NYY/BOS and DET/KC and OAK/SEA? Just asking. Ositadinma 20:13, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Good question. It's because there is inconsistent spacing in the templates themselves. What I mean is, that if you edit each template, some of them have...

}}<noinclude>

at the bottom, while others have

}}
<noinclude>

at the bottom. That makes a difference in whether or not that space appears. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

So should we have a space between the templates (my opinion yes, more organized) because three currently do not (there will be aleast some seperation because of the title headers between the leagues and divisions). Ositadinma 20:24, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I would say that yes, spaces should be added to those that don't have them. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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User:Baseball Bugs/population

I had forgotten I even had that sub-page. Must have gotten distracted. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 19:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

It happens. I find all sorts of subpages I have that were half-baked ideas I either dropped or just forgot about. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I think it was moved from an article someone else had attempted to create. Now that I think of it, I might have kept it just because I thought it was interesting info. The likelihood of it becoming an article seems doubtful. At the very least, it would require periodic updating. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I think the point of the article was to see what correlation there might be between population and attendance. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think it was an AfD that moved to delete, so you must've userfied the info either because of interest or desire to work on it to make it a viable page. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

RE: Jim Crane

When you add that the transaction for the Astros is completed to the Jim Crane article, make sure that you state he is not the sole "owner", but the leader of a group of owners. The selling group is 30 owners, and the buying group is nine-persons, of which Crane is only one, the spokesman, and head. Crane is not Paul Allen or Mark Cuban, he couldn't buy the team all on his own, he doesn't have that much money. > Best O Fortuna (talk) 04:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

PS: This is worth a read: Transferring assets — Preceding unsigned comment added by Best O Fortuna (talk • contribs) 03:26, 18 November 2011‎

Great job beefing up that article. I'll be sure to give that source a read. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Comment

Kindly stop specifically targeting my articles for deletion. You actions may constitute as WP:HARRASSMENT and may require administrative intervention. Alex (talk) 18:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

What I am doing is not harassment. I'm not targeting you in any way, I'm targeting articles you've created. And as you can see, I'm not nominating ALL of them for deletion: only the ones I believe fail WP:N. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

• Please refrain from trying to claim ownership of articles. You have created so many baseball articles that it's almost impossible to avoid nominating for deletion articles that the project believes fails WP:BASE/N. Asking for us to tiptoe around non-notable articles you created to only go after non-notable articles created by others is not a reasonable request. There is a high successful deletion rate of articles you happened to create. You used to nominate the articles you created for deletion, yourself, so what forbids others from doing the same? This is about the project, not one individual that has taken an objective issue personally. Agent Vodello 18:33, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Eh, whatever. Misplaced Pages is just a game, a relatively meaningless aspect of my life. Nominate to your heart's content. I don't care. I'm sure most people aren't looking up Harold Kollar anyway. I'll make it easy for you: Don Bacon, Charles Baron (baseball), Lou Bekeza, Ray Bellino, Doc Bennett, Alton Biggs, Mike Blazo, Dick Bogard, Earl Bolyard, Ken Bracey, Frank Cacciatore, Keith Champion, Boyd Coffie, Mel Didier, Robert Drury (baseball), Woody Fair, Mal Fichman, Bob Fontaine, Jr., Orv Franchuk, Cade Gaspar, Wes Griffin, Marty Purtell, Al Reitz, Steve Roadcap, Jimmy Sanders (baseball), Floyd Temple, Tommy Thomas (college coach), Glenn Tufts, Reggie Waller, Harrison Wickel. Apologies if I missed anybody. Alex (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, this is not "just a game". I will AfD or PROD any articles I believe merit deletion. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is a game. One that has gotten pretty boring. It was fun for a while though. Alex (talk) 00:16, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not like this information is anything new about you treating this entire thing like a game. We've been well aware of this since July. You finally publicly admitting it shows that you're well aware the project is about to no longer be your playground. Agent Vodello 17:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Alex, if you honestly believe that Misplaced Pages is in fact a game, then it would be best if you did stop editing and left. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 17:32, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Your hard work will never go unappreciated. Iamhungey (talk) 06:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

It's always nice to be appreciated :) – Muboshgu (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George Kelly (baseball)

On 25 November 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article George Kelly (baseball), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Hall of Famer George Kelly was nearly suspended by Major League Baseball for playing basketball with Jimmy O'Connell? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Kelly (baseball).You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)