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The editor removes admin warning clearly shows battleground behavior.--] (]) 19:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC) | The editor removes admin warning clearly shows battleground behavior.--] (]) 19:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Referring to another editor as should be grounds for a temporary, if not permanent, vacation from the project. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 20:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
===Result concerning YehudaTelAviv64=== | ===Result concerning YehudaTelAviv64=== |
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YehudaTelAviv64
YehudaTelAviv64 has been warned of discretionary sanctions in topic area and is admonished for use of the term "vandalism" and should instead assume good faith. Reporter Biosketch is cautioned to use recent behavior in making good faith reports on AE. --WGFinley (talk) 19:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning YehudaTelAviv64
The user's behavior is aggressive and hostile, and his edits at Golan Heights and Holocaust-related articles articles could be considered POV-oriented. Additionally, there've been concerns he's masquerading as a new user under false pretenses.—Biosketch (talk) 23:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning YehudaTelAviv64Statement by YehudaTelAviv64This user is hounding me in response to me reporting him for edit warring here in the Administrators noticeboard. Also, he calls my removal of an image with clear copyright violations a revert of an edit from May 16, 2011. It's entirely unreasonable to call my removal of that image a revert, especially since I had never even heard of that edit until Biosketch hunted it down for this ridiculous witch-hunt. I went through a lot of work to track down the origin of that image and I found that it is a Rights Managed photo that is part of the Hulton-Deutsch Collection/CORBIS collection. Biosketch himself recommended that that image be deleted. Biosketch is just hounding me for the sake of hounding me. The same is also true for the third diff he links to. I tracked down the copyright violation (it's a Corbis Rights Managed photo) and removed the image from the article. Biosketch then tracked down some ancient edit from February 2011 and claimed the image removal was a revert of that. The first diff he links to was an edit where I undid a revert that he himself made and did not bother to discuss on the talk page. He also did not link to his revert here. I opened a discussion regarding my edit immediately, but Biosketch did not bother to link to that discussion when he opened this request. I was very clear in my image removal edit summaries that they were clear copyright violations. I suspect that Biosketch threw those edits into this request as part of his hounding efforts to make it make it more difficult to respond to this request by adding spurious accusations to refute. He must have seen those edit summaries. Furthermore, "concerns he's masquerading as a new user under false pretenses" refers to these personal attacks that I reported here in Wikiquette assistance. Also, he accused me of "aggressive and hostile" and "POV-oriented" edits but then did not point out any instances of this. I would appreciate it if someone could stop Biosketch from hounding me so I can instead spend my time on constructive edits. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 04:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning YehudaTelAviv64
I don't understand your reaction to the questions about whether you have edited before and your statements about lack of evidence. You look like a sockpuppet because your edits are not like those of a new user. The observational evidence suggests that you are not a new user. Every edit you make is one more piece of evidence that you aren't a new user. So, they aren't evidenceless statements. They're statements based on observations by experienced rational observers using heuristic methods that have a near 100% success rate. In other words, people know what sockpuppets look like and you look like one. You could simply say whether or not you have edited under a previous account and if you have, tell people what it was and move on. You haven't done that yet. You've confirmed that you aren't a Pelican which has at least ruled out one of the large water birds but while questions remain unanswered and you find yourself in conflict with other users, partly because of their doubts and partly because of your responses to them, my concern is that your presence will attract sockpuppets to the topic area who will justify their presence by your presence. Editors could also use it as yet another excuse to do nothing about the long term repeat offender sockpuppetry by people whose views they agree with. If you just answer the question, edit constructively and don't come into conflict with other editors, people might just leave you alone. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment by ShrikeComment by CptnonoReverts are reverts. He was right to make them (copyvio is a major concern) but it is not exempt from edit warring in the topic area. To block or ban would be silly since he was not being malicious but don't give a strait pass on it. Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be a bureaucracy but when editing in this topic area it is. It should have been "hey YehudaTelAviv64, next time make the revert but follow it up immediately with a request for assistance from the community". He was actually right says consensus but we all know editors have assumed (and edit warred) over copyright violations when it is undetermined. Being proactive by seeking the proper channels (there is a whole group of Wikipedians who look out for potential copyvios) would have been better than what resulted. I think admins should be a little more blunt in their warnings on this. Yes, he thought he was right. But he may not be right next time. Make the revert if you are confident that it is for the good of the project but make sure to follow it up in the appropriate channels. It may not matter in other topic areas but it matters here since not following protocol ends in requests for enforcement of the arbitration decision. That does not help anyone. Result concerning YehudaTelAviv64
Appears an admonition about reverts in P-I space and use of the term "vandalism" are in order. --WGFinley (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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Editor75439
Topic banned indefinitely |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Editor75439
Editor75439 (talk · contribs) is a single-purpose account. Over the 5 days since this account's creation, it has made several hundred edits focusing solely on William Herbert Sheldon and his claims about somatotype and constitutional psychology. I believe that this topic clearly falls under the WP:ARBR&I discretionary sanctions ("the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed"). This account's edits consistently remove (well-sourced) negative information and attempt to present this topic in an unduly favorable light. For instance, here he removes two New York Times citations, leaving the article essentially unsourced. (The Times states that Sheldon's claims have "long been dismissed by most scientists as quackery", a conclusion which is unacceptable to Editor75439). He seeks to replace the content of these reliable sources with his personal opinion (that "Sheldon's somatotypology is the de-facto standard in modern developmental psychology.") He has edit-warred to remove the Times source; see , where he uses a false and deceptive edit summary (the quote is not from a "former Ivy League student", as even the briefest perusal of the source confirms). He was blocked for edit-warring to remove this sourced material on 3 December; since the block expired, he has immediately resumed edit-warring to remove the sources and material, with no further discussion (, , ). He clearly places his personal viewpoint above that of reliable sources (e.g. edit summary here), and has edit-warred to remove those reliable sources and replace them with his personal beliefs. His talkpage contributions (which start here) are less than constructive:
This is a single-purpose agenda account edit-warring to remove well-sourced information and to promote their personal beliefs. Since their behavior contravenes a large percentage of our content and behavioral policies, I think administrative action is warranted even in the absence of discretionary sanctions. Since the article falls under discretionary sanctions, the bar should be if anything a bit lower for dealing with this kind of editing. I would request a topic ban or, failing that, a 1RR restriction to at least tamp down the agenda-driven edit-warring to a manageable level. MastCell 18:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Editor75439Statement by Editor75439Comments by others about the request concerning Editor75439The user in question has failed to follow Misplaced Pages policy multiple times, even after warnings, ranging from NPOV (removal of critical material, particularly material critical of fringe theories) to failing to discuss massive changes on the talk page to engaging in personal attacks (see Talk:Somatotype and constitutional psychology#Removed material not mentioned in the original source, self-published references; copyright status?). Most of the material this user has newly added (after the block was lifted) is extremely similar or identical to the previously-removed (for original syntheses, material not in citations, etc) material, thus being a de facto reversion. I have attempted to do some repair work on the article, including placing back in some critical material removed by Editor75439; we will see whether the user in question (if allowed) removes, reverts, or otherwise alters it from NPOV. Allens (talk) 18:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Editor75439
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FergusM1970
FergusM1970 (talk · contribs) blocked 24 hours and topic-banned from articles within the scope of WP:TROUBLES for three months. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning FergusM1970
Edit warring against consensus and against multiple editors. My offer for him to self-revert and avoid being reported was met with this and revert #4. Since starting this request editor has now made a fifth revert in a 24 hour period..
Discussion concerning FergusM1970Statement by FergusM1970The city is called Londonderry. That's it's legal name. There is no dispute about this, therefore it's ridiculous for people to insist that the nickname "Derry" is given prominence over the actual name. Multiple editors acting together to force me to either break 3RR or leave false information in an article is abusive. I request that the users who have reverted my edits are required to prove that the city is NOT properly named Londonderry, and that if they cannot do this they are subjected to appropriate sanctions. --FergusM1970 (talk) 11:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning FergusM1970You'd think someone so obsessed with accuracy wouldn't replace the text "While the city is more usually known as Derry" with "also called Derry by Irish nationalists" despite the references he removed saying "but today most people just call it Derry, whatever their politics" and "Popular opinion has it that nationalists call it Derry while Protestants call it Londonderry. However, as with most things in Northern Ireland, it's not always as simple as that. Many Protestants also refer familiarly to the city as Derry". Of course we (well, most of us I hope) all can see therefore the edits aren't related to accuracy at all, but FergusM1970 editing based on his own opinions. WP:ROPE springs to mind with this editor, based on his current talk page posts I'm not brimming with confidence that the behaviour won't continue once his current block expires, so we'll probably be back here again in a few days time I think.... 2 lines of K303 13:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Result concerning FergusM1970
I've enacted a short (standard 24hrs) block to stop the edit-warring, because FergusM1970 had already broken 3RR and seemed unwilling to stop. I'll leave this open for the moment to determine if further discretionary sanctions are appropriate. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:56, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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Jonchapple
Jonchapple blocked for six weeks by HJ Mitchell for edit warring. AGK 10:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Jonchapple
Discussion concerning JonchappleStatement by JonchappleEd, I reverted an IP-hopping vandal. Bretonbanquet above or somebody else would have done exactly the same if I hadn't've got there first, because the edit added an incorrect piece of pointy vandalism that directly contravened both Misplaced Pages consensus and the bare facts. And if you really think I'm making "no effort to curtial my inappropriate edits", we must really be looking at a different list of contributions. I see a set of useful, contructive, good-faith edits that are helping to make this project a more accurate resource. I don't know what else I can say. JonC 22:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning JonchappleCan an article about a racing driver be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland..? Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Jonchapple
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YehudaTelAviv64
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning YehudaTelAviv64
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- YehudaTelAviv64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- WP:ARBPIA#General_1RR_restriction
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- Dec 7 adds redundant info about occupation – revert 1
- Dec 7 adds redundant info about occupation – revert 2
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Warned on 1 December 2011 by Biossketch, followed by EdJohnston, followed by Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#YehudaTelAviv64 closed three days ago, followed by User talk:EdJohnston#YehudaTelAviv64, followed by Wgfinely (I may be missing a few)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
In response to the comments below: My understanding of policy is that adding info is considered a revert because it changes the status quo. If this is incorrect, this can be speedily closed. However, I would like to point out the clear misuse WP:BRD policy at Talk:Golan Heights#revert explanation regarding this very complaint. He is claiming that BRD allows to him to re-add information that was reverted with an explanation on the talk page.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- @Wgfinley. The "harassment" referred to is this one thread at his talk page. Though admittedly the rhetoric should have been toned down, I still strongly suspect this editor is a return of a banned editor (as explained in the diff), though I am holding off for now on any official SPI because I do not have solid evidence tying it to any specific editor.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning YehudaTelAviv64
Statement by YehudaTelAviv64
This is Misplaced Pages:Harassment. The first diff is clearly not a revert. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Brewcrewer earlier posted personal attacks on my talk page and I reported it here. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Re: Wgfinley
- I think that you may need to consult Help:Reverting. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 04:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Re: Brewcrewer
- "BRD is not a policy. This means it is not a process that you can require other editors to follow." and "BRD is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes. Don't invoke BRD as your reason for reverting someone else's work or for edit warring: instead, provide a reason that is based on policies, guidelines, or common sense."
- YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Re: EdJohnston
- I would like an explanation for how the first link can possibly be considered a revert. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages Definition of Revert
- On Misplaced Pages, reverting means undoing the effects of one or more edits, which normally results in the page being restored to a version that existed previously. More broadly, reverting may also refer to any action that in whole or in part reverses the actions of other editors. -- Help:Reverting
- You appear to have some new definition for 'revert' for the purpose of this AE that has no basis in Misplaced Pages policies. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- In response to your abuse of the term 'revert', I fear I have no choice but to request a Misplaced Pages:Administrators#Arbitration Committee review using the Arbitration Committee mailing list. You very clearly invented a new definition for "revert" and that is not acceptable for a Misplaced Pages administrator. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment In this edit, Brewcrewer removed a reply I posted in his section. He simply erased it and did not move it to another section. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 04:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning YehudaTelAviv64
What does the first dif revert? It looks like the second dif is the only revert here - not a violation. Jd2718 (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is part of ongoing harassment by Brewcrewer -- . YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. The Misplaced Pages Definition of Revert is: "On Misplaced Pages, reverting means undoing the effects of one or more edits, which normally results in the page being restored to a version that existed previously. More broadly, reverting may also refer to any action that in whole or in part reverses the actions of other editors." YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 03:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Statment by Shrike
Though user was warned not use editing summaries to attack other users he clearly does so.
- Calling other editor troll and failing to assume good faith by called the admin "biased".
- Calling editor "deranged"
The editor removes admin warning clearly shows battleground behavior.--Shrike (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment by Malik Shabazz
Referring to another editor as deranged should be grounds for a temporary, if not permanent, vacation from the project. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 20:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning YehudaTelAviv64
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
Re: YehudaTelAviv64 I do consider the first diff a revert, there has been several days of wrangling over this language These diffs pretty much outlined the current edit war. I have already protected the article due to the warring, I believe an article ban of 7 days would be in order for Yehuda. I will take a look at the harassment allegation. --WGFinley (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Re:brew crewer I agree these sock accusations are a bit strong but not unprecedented in this topic area. I don't see anything actionable though but a warning may be in order. --WGFinley (talk) 03:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- The two edits cited in the above reports appear to technically be two reverts in 24 hours. Oftentimes we will cut some slack for new editors or look at the context. In YTA64 we have a new editor (probably not a sock, but with the same aggressiveness and resistance to feedback that we associate with socks) who wants to go right up to the edge of what is allowed. For people who work on the edge, we often cite WP:GAME as a reason to distrust them. Also, he misuses the term 'vandalism' and cites people for harassment when they are only giving a routine notice of a report to AE. I suggest that our patience might be running out and ask for suggestions. He's received plenty of advice and but is taking none of it, so I doubt that a further warning will be of any use. So far he get a zero for collaboration. The traditional next step for editors who push POV on I/P articles and can't be reasoned with is to consider a three-month topic ban. EdJohnston (talk) 03:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Technical (checkuser) evidence would suggest that YTA64 actually has been active on Misplaced Pages before, on a different account, but I am still following up on that, he has not abusively used his previous account, and he did not formerly edit within this topic area so the other account may be unrelated. AGK 10:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
VanishedUser314159
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning VanishedUser314159
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Professor marginalia (talk) 00:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- VanishedUser314159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience#Log of blocks and bans
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Martinphi-ScienceApologist#ScienceApologist limited to one account
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 8 Dec 2011 Maybe just the most ironic edit. Has been editing from this IP since indef block in Mar 2011 for socking to evade sanctions, more persistently since about Oct 2011
- 15 Dec 2010 Confirms he edited with the IP before his block
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
Not necessary. He knows he can't do this.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
It's a shame it's come to this, but this is a mess. With all the courtesy blanking on his behalf, the misuse of the Right to Vanish, socking, and block evasions - I had to say something. I always found him to be a real asset at[REDACTED] and I don't have any opinion about the arbitration cases he was party in-I didn't follow them. It was only because in a discussion with him yesterday, I recognized the IP as VanishedUser314159 and looked him up that I learned he was currently blocked. But to continue editing he should come out in the open, seek his block be removed and edit under his user account.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning VanishedUser314159
Statement by 128.59.171.194
I know that as an IP my abilities to edit on Misplaced Pages are limited. I encourage any administrator who thinks it appropriate to block this IP if you feel the contributions have been in any way disruptive. I do not have access to VanishedUser314159's account, nor do I have any desire to create a user account. 128.59.171.194 (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Statement by VanishedUser314159
Comments by others about the request concerning VanishedUser314159
Result concerning VanishedUser314159
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
- VanishedUser314159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- 128.59.171.194 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- In December 2010, VanishedUser314159 added the signature of a named account under a talk comment left by this IP. In January 2011 the vanished user offered to take a one-year wikibreak, but it does not appear that he was serious. The IP geolocates to Columbia University. I've notified Jpgordon, who placed the indefinite block on VanishedUser314159 in March 2011, to see if he wants to comment. The IP is very active on fringe topics since March 2011, which goes against past advice by Arbcom. It also violates a one-year topic ban from fringe science imposed here at AE in January 2011, still visible in Archive81. Unless the user volunteers to seek unblock under his main account we may need to treat this as evasion of an AE block and shut down the IP for a long period. It does not appear necessary to go to Arbcom for advice since they have expressed themselves clearly in the past. We should consider imposing a one-year block. We can give the user the address of arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org if he is hoping that the Committee has changed its mind about allowing him to use multiple identities. EdJohnston (talk) 04:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- That diff is pretty clear proof it is him, it appears a block defense has been lined up as the IP added the Shared IP Edu template. Since the IP went right on editing after responding here and the IP is clearly associated with the banned user and I don't see any other substantive edits from this IP indicating it is truly shared it would seem a long term block is in order.--WGFinley (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Someone35
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Someone35
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Nableezy 15:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Someone35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 2 December 2011 See below
- 19:39, 6 December 2011 See below for explanation
- 19:15, 7 December 2011 Hounding
- 10:04, 9 December 2011 Hounding, disruptive editing
- 9 December 2011 Accusing others of being paid to edit Misplaced Pages
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Notified of the case on 24 August 2011
- Topic banned following the user calling me an "antisemite"
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Someone35, after having his or her indefinite topic ban for calling another user (me) an antisemite without any evidence reduced to a 3 month topic ban on appeal has continued with the same immature behavior that demonstrates why the user should restricted from the topic area. In the first diff above the user personalizes a dispute at a talk page by asking an inane question to me. In the second diff the user continues with this pattern, asking if I am employed. In the the third diff, the user tendentiously follows my contributions to an article he or she had never edited to make a personal attack, claiming that I am not editing article to "contribute" to them but rather to "agitate people against Israel". That the user has no idea what they are talking about on the issue under discussion does not seem to faze him or her. In the fourth edit, the user again hounds my contributions to ask an extremely inappropriate question, asking how much I am paid to edit here. The meaning of that diff is made clear in the final diff, in which the user again makes the absurd accusation that I was paid to be involved in a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem.
This is not daycare, and we should not have to deal with children running around making a nuisance of themselves. The user's disruption has escalated from a minor annoyance to active disruption, and I request that his or her indefinite topic ban be reimposed. When the user can demonstrate that he or she has the required maturity to edit in the topic area the ban can be rescinded, but I think it is clear that after the 3 month ban that this child still is not fit to edit in the topic area.
- It is very obvious who the user was referring to in the edit on his talk page, and the comments below are disingenuous to say the least. Compare this with this and you can see that the claim that he was not referring to a specific user falls flat. This is similar to the behavior that occurred prior to the user's last topic ban, where the user claimed that because he or she called me an antisemite in Hebrew but not English it should not count. See the past thread here (collapsed section, the extension of the ban occurred during an appeal of a block). nableezy - 16:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Someone35
Statement by Someone35
I'll reply to each edit:
1. How is this a violation of any guideline?
2. Was there anything offensive in this question?
3. Am I not allowed to involve in a discussion about a place that I know well? I even visited there a few months ago so I am knowledgeable in that article.
4. That edit was underlined for a purpose...
5. Did I mention you there? See who's wikihounding (or stalking) others...
Reply to Nableezy's statement:
- I already apologized for that, look for it if you want.
- In my opinion that question wasn't inane, also you didn't even answer me, you just removed it.
- That's because you haven't answered me, you could at least say that you are not interested in telling me that...
- Again, I am knowledgeable about Hiriya and I agreed with his position.
- That was underlined for a purpose
- Where did I mention you in the last diff? Also, the meaning of the userbox you put in the bottom of your userpage is also clear and you can get arrested for supporting terrorist organizations...
- Since mostly children read Misplaced Pages (usually to copy their HW from there), you SHOULD have children editing here in order to make Misplaced Pages more open to children.
Also, Nableezy is the only user who seems to be disrupted by my edits and that's the 3rd or 4th time he reports me.
Response to WGFinley: Nableezy is the only editor who complains about me. Once I saw asad's warning I removed the problematic sentences. But I went out for about 3 hours so I only saw it after Nableezy complained here.-- Someone35 16:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- Does the fact he's the only one that complains about you change the fact that you asked him if he has a job and accused him of being paid to edit WP? --WGFinley (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't accused him. I haven't even mentioned him in that edit. I asked him once oafishly (that's the word google translate gave me, I'm not sure it's accurate, I never heard of this word before) if he has a job since he seems to edit a lot on Misplaced Pages. As far as I know, asking somebody if he has a job isn't against any Misplaced Pages policy.-- Someone35 16:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- Man, you really outta stop burying yourself with these self-destructive comments. Have you not taken to heart what you have learned in your mentoring course? -asad (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- I removed the sentences you asked me to remove in order not to get myself in trouble, but I only saw your warning after Nableezy reported me-- Someone35 16:26, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- Man, you really outta stop burying yourself with these self-destructive comments. Have you not taken to heart what you have learned in your mentoring course? -asad (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't accused him. I haven't even mentioned him in that edit. I asked him once oafishly (that's the word google translate gave me, I'm not sure it's accurate, I never heard of this word before) if he has a job since he seems to edit a lot on Misplaced Pages. As far as I know, asking somebody if he has a job isn't against any Misplaced Pages policy.-- Someone35 16:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Response to Nableezy's second comment: There other people who are not you that make POV pushing edits and are getting paid for editing Misplaced Pages...-- Someone35 16:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I need to go to sleep now, please don't close the discussion until I'm back
Comments by others about the request concerning Someone35
- Comment by Malik Shabazz
@WGFinley We shouldn't continue to add a little more time and send them back out to cause issues when their TBAN expires. Precisely. So why add a little more time and send Someone35 back out when his (year-long) topic ban expires? Why not reinstate his indefinite topic ban? Hasn't he made good use of the WP:ROPE he was given? — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 20:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Someone35
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Of Nableezy's submitted diffs 2 is a pretty blatant personal attack and 4 and 5 are battleground fodder. Previous ban was 3 months, I believe a year off of P-I is in order as this isn't even a month since the last TBAN expired. We shouldn't continue to add a little more time and send them back out to cause issues when their TBAN expires. --WGFinley (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC)