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Road/Street

Hi, I've changed Slovenian Road to Slovenian Street at the Ljubljana article. I just wanted to provide more info here because the edit summary line isn't really sufficient. I've got a file somewhere on this (that I still can't put my finger on), but I can look for it if needed. Anyhow, English road/street generally corresponds to a rural/urban distinction. There are exceptions in BrE (e.g., Hackney Road); but many of these are probably historical accident and the result of urban expansion. Regarding ulica/cesta, these by and large correspond to older Gasse/Strasse, which were presumably based on size (rather than being arterial or not); the typical English street/avenue pair also can't be meaningfully applied to distinguish between ulica/cesta because street/avenue generally have a perpendicular contrast, whereas ulica/cesta is much more random. All in all, I've found it more useful to render both ulica and cesta as street without trying to make a systematic difference in English between the two. Doremo (talk) 16:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

That's ok for me. I just hope it is the most prevalent and unambiguous name too (due to WP:AT). Slovenian Street is also a street in Murska Sobota, although I'm not sure whether it deserves being discussed in Misplaced Pages. --Eleassar 17:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I've added the native street names at first mention (since there aren't any articles for them to link to), so there won't be any ambiguity. Doremo (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Request for your perspective on SOPA

Hi Eleassar, there's currently an ongoing discussion about splitting the Stop Online Piracy Act page at Talk:Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#ONGOING_DISCUSSION_-_Splitting_the_Article. You've familiarized yourself with the entry before, and your insight and perspective on the matter would be appreciated. Hope to see you there, Sloggerbum (talk) 00:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Slovenian independence referendum, 1990

Moved to Talk:Slovenian independence referendum, 1990. --Eleassar 13:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Distinct

Rezijanščina res se tudi odloči, ali Jesenšek razloči dve narečji, ker prekmurščina bogatejše besedišče ima, lahko izraži veliko terminoloških izrazov. Doncsecz 13:22, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

WP Slovenia

Thanks for the invite, but I am really more interested in elections and referendums regardless of country. I'm also a bit disappointed by your most recent edit to the independence referendum article - I thought we had compromised on your preferred way of presenting the percentages in the text, but the results table using the standard reporting method? Number 57 11:15, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Cockbridge

Hi, I just noticed the Cockbridge article. Cocks vs. roosters aside, I find the name weird as a closed compound. It makes it look like a grammaticalized form (like referring to Novo mesto as Newton). I think the two-word form Cock Bridge (like Dragon Bridge, Grain Bridge) would be a more suitable English name. Doremo (talk) 14:30, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Your proposal is a good one. However, this and several other articles should be deleted due to lack of reliable sources, while some others should be merged/redirected to a common article 'Bridges in Ljubljana' due to lack of verifiable content. (related discussions) Also, please, post article-related comments also to their respective talk pages. --Eleassar 14:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I posted it here because I saw that you'd made the name change in question (in March 2008). The page doesn't seem to get much traffic (only 3 edits in the past 3 years), so I wanted to ask you directly about it. Speaking of articles for deletion, does Podutik Bridge (Podutiški most) exist? You've also contributed to that article, but I'm not familiar with the bridge. Doremo (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't know which bridge would be refered to by this name. In any case, Ljubljanica doesn't flow through Podutik. Feel free to nominate it (and others) for deletion again. --Eleassar 14:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted Podutik Bridge per WP:CSD#G3 as a blatant hoax. --Eleassar 14:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I fully agree. Doremo (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, restored now as sources have been found. --Eleassar 16:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Steelworkers' Bridge

I really appreciated your input here and was curious as to weather you could provide any similar resources for the Steelworkers' Bridge article. It's one of 5 Slovenia articles still missing coordinates and I've become somewhat obsessed with getting that number down to 0. --U5K0'sTalk_{Make WikiLove not WikiWar} 15:17, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

It's listed in the Registry as Jekarski most (instead of Jeklarski) and is located a bit downstream Gradaščica, just before its confluence with Ljubljanica. --Eleassar 15:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. You have no idea how many google and najdi.si searches I've done with no results. This made all the difference. --U5K0'sTalk_{Make WikiLove not WikiWar} 15:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

It should actually be moved to Jek Bridge, because it has nothing to do with steelworkers. --Eleassar 22:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

OK with me. --U5K0'sTalk_{Make WikiLove not WikiWar} 21:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Kje je to?

Pišeš, da viri ne pokrepijo trditve, da so zahtevali prekmurščino kot uradni jezik med dvema vojna v Prekmurju? Franc Kuzmič piše v svojem članku evo: ohraniti je potrebno prekmurščino, v urade nastavljati predvsem domačine in uradne dopise je treba razglašati v prekmurščini (Stranke v Prekmurju med obema vojnama, 59. str. (dlib.si). Doncsecz 06:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the translation efforts

Wondering if you could translate this page into Sloven? Book:Health Care It will be the template that we are working off of. Many thank Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:41, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Will translate it. --Eleassar 19:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Where should I post the translation? There's no Books namespace in the Slovene Misplaced Pages. --Eleassar 20:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Is there a medicine wikiproject in Slovene? Maybe as a subpage of that?Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

There's no Medicine WikiProject in Slovene yet. It could (and should) be created. --Eleassar 20:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Great so maybe start a sub page of this new project and than add this list to the page and link that page back to the book... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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Slava Klavora Theatre

No idea. I wasn't the one to put them there and have no idea where the source for them is. --U5K0'sTalk_{Make WikiLove not WikiWar} 11:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Article title advice

Hi, Eleassar. I named the article St. Stanislaus Institute (Slovenia) using (Slovenia) because of the ambiguity with the one in Pennsylvania (St. Stanislaus Institute). Is there a proper/better/standard way to disambiguate this? For example:

• St. Stanislaus Institute, Slovenia
• St. Stanislaus Institute (Ljubljana)
• St. Stanislaus Institute, Ljubljana

The format doesn't matter to me, but I'd like it to follow a standard or preferred pattern (if there is one). Thanks for any advice you can offer. Doremo (talk) 14:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I can't reference a guideline, but as far as I know, the current title is perfectly ok and in line with other articles' titles. --Eleassar 14:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Doremo (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Marko Modic - eng page

Te lahko prosim za pomoč pri oblikovanju strani "Marko Modic". Sem popolnoma nov "editor" in ne prav vešča z računalnikom. Glede na komentarje sem dodala reference. Bo to zdaj dovolj? Najlepša hvala za pomoč! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3xdvanajst (talk • contribs) 16:48, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Wild Lake

Hi, Eleassar, I made a decision on Wild Lake, which we discussed recently (I was forced into thinking about it by other professional circumstances) and I deleted "Savage Lake," which I commented on at the talk page. Doremo (talk) 18:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

need some help with article pages on filmmaker Zdravic

Hi Eleassar

I am writing in regards to a wiki page I created some months ago about the living Slovene filmmaker, Andrej Zdravic. I am hoping you can help me with this page.

I am a newcomer to Misplaced Pages (this was my second page that I created) but I am a PhD scholar in experimental film and ecology, which is a very small but important area of contemporary experimental film development. Zdravic's experimental (avant garde) film career is mainly based in the United States over several decades from 1975. Its also my first time to post to a talk page too.

I created this page as there are extremely few experimental filmmakers of Zdravic's calibre that have built up such a substantial body of work on recording the visual and aural qualities of nature, over such a number of decades. Zdravic's series of awards testifies to a substantially recognised body of artistic filmwork, although knowledge and awareness about experimental film is very small in the general public. There is now a small but growing interest in ecocinema in experimental film, film with special attention to nature, and I felt I should share his published achievements to a wider audience, particularly as his body of work is well regarded in the West.

I looked to other wiki pages on leading experimental (avant garde) filmmakers, such as Lithuanian, New York based filmmaker, Jonas Mekas, to devise the categories and format for Zdravic's wiki page. I then collated biographical information, with inline citations in respect to Misplaced Pages guidelines to Living People.

I returned to Zdravic's page earlier this week to see a number of warning messages on the page. As I wanted to attend to these details as quickly as possible (Zdravic is a living person who regularly lectures and exhibits overseas I logged in and attempted to remove material that may have been deemed as too much as an advertisement. I removed a 'News' section where there were details of his new 2011 Forest film installation that might have been read as an advertisement. I also removed the image. There was a note about providing more external links too (I had previously listed a number of external links to Zdravic's work previously, see Jan 19, 2012.. I listed these for other film researchers looking to understand Zdravic's career and film development. Can you please advise why these external links might not be appropriate. Similar external links appear on Jonas Mekas Misplaced Pages page. I would like to reinstate them as soon as possible if they are appropriate.) I also removed the category 'Slovene Video Artist' as Zdravic is regarded as a filmmaker, not a video artist, on the international scene. In published material I have seen, he does not consider himself primarily as a Slovene filmmaker as his film education, teaching and practice experience over several decades was overseas in the United States.

My difficulty, perhaps my lack of understanding as a new user to Misplaced Pages, is that I thought I had made the appropriate changes to provide a shortened neutral, informative page with inline recognised citations but when I went to view Zdravic's page yesterday on another computer, I found that none of the edits I had made have been retained. However, there now seems to be two Zdravic pages, one without a Slovene language accent Zdravic, and one with, Zdravič. I appear to have made changes to the page with the accent, Zdravič, but when I type in Zdravic (without the č) on other computers here, I get redirected to a Zdravic page that still has the Misplaced Pages warnings and none of my recent changes can be seen. The č character is not regularly available on keyboards in English speaking countries. I can see a redirect page has been setup but I can't seem to login to address and edit this page with the warnings. Should there be two pages that everyone would have to edit in the future?

Can you please help or advise. I am concerned as I have created a Wiki page now that looks like it contains material that are not within the Wiki guidelines but I have made the changes as requested but they are not appearing on the page most English speaking people would access. At first I thought I might not have refreshed the page/emptied the cache but there does now seem to be 2 pages, and the English page, which would appear when most film researchers would type in, Zdravic (without the č), will still lead to the page with warnings, that I cannot login into, edit or correct.

I am quite concerned that this page with warnings, left unchanged, is damaging in its appearance to Zdravic's professional reputation. As this is a time sensitive issue, I would appreciate your quick reply.

Thank you Eleassar

c_fitz (talk) 11:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you have not cleared the cache properly. I don't see any warnings at 'Andrej Zdravič' and there is only one page ('Andrej Zdravic' is a redirect). Please, try to avoid an essay-like style in articles and convert the list of exhibitions to prose, mentioning the most significant ones. Also, in communication with other editors, try to be brief as no-one will read long rants. --Eleassar 13:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks Eleassar

for your speedy reply and advice and apologies if I described the issue in too much detail. I am still getting used to Misplaced Pages and just wanted to be clear for you.

I have just asked another web person, using another computer over here to look up Zdravic's page and they are seeing the older page, still with the three warnings and sections that I have now deleted? I am confused. Could there still be some other problem with the page when accessed from other computers or are my edits not been accepted? On my own computer here, like you, I am now not seeing the warnings.

Here is a screen grab of the Zdravic page from 4.30pm this afternoon. Any help much appreciated. http://ecoartfilm.com/experimental-film-and-ecology/zdravic-page/http://ecoartfilm.com/experimental-film-and-ecology/zdravic-page/

Thank you for your help

c_fitz (talk) 16:56, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

It's possible there are some problems with the cache of the Wikimedia Foundation servers. No problem with the article on my computer though (it also doesn't have any tags now). --Eleassar 17:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Eleassar

Perhaps that is the problem. Can I log the cache problem with Wikimedia? Can you direct me to a tech support page for servers if its not too much trouble. I can also see the old page when I try different browsers.

I appreciate the help, thank you!

c_fitz (talk) 17:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

You will find some contacts at Misplaced Pages:Contact us. --Eleassar 17:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Peer review for Pope John Paul II

Hi Eleassar, I was wondering whether you'd be interested in doing a peer review, or if you had any comments on the article -- Marek.69 07:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, currently I'm devoting myself to other things. --Eleassar 09:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, no problem. :-)

Kind Regards -- Marek.69 09:57, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Graffity

Eleassar, ne vem zakaj poskusiš vedno drugače pisati, ker resnica je to, da ta graffity je provokacija. Veliko ljudi je tako menilo (razen Lainščeka), da ta graffity nima nobenega smisla. Ti vedno argumentiraš, da ti v Ljubljani nič nisi slišal, niti o Karlu Dončecu, čeprav v pokrajinskem muzeju v Soboti nekoč je bila razstava o njem. Doncsecz 12:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Sources of the Adriatic Sea

Hi! I noticed you have contributed to the Adriatic Sea article, and I appreciate those fine additions, especially about the tallest cliff. However, please note that the diploma thesis is not a WP:RS since it has no editorial oversight, no matter how well intended and researched. Furthermore, please either discuss changes or study the article before editing - "Vruljas" are discussed as SGDs as should be in English wiki.--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:20, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

The diploma thesis has an editorial oversight - it is reviewed by the tutor (and often the co-tutor), who is a professor in their specific area. In any way, since when are peer-reviewed publications the only acceptable ones? See here: "The candidate has to submit his diploma work to a review." I have also not ever heard it is necessary to discuss before editing, particularly in adding properly referenced and verifiable material about notable topics. If you don't agree with a change, you may undo it and discuss then. --Eleassar 12:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Granted, the diploma thesis is almost certainly correct, but the article is headed for the FA and that will not pass there - besides, there is a multitude of sources claiming the exact same thing since the diploma thesis itself uses (or should use) scientific sourcing. It's not necessary to discuss before editing, I agree, I simply meant to say that the SGDs were already present in another subsection and it came off wrong - sorry about that.

I would not like to see the text spiral out of proportion through discussion of geological (and other) makeup of every single bit of the coast and each island - a Geology of Adriatic Sea or a similar article should do that, and let's face it: the major part of Slovenian coast (60%) is less than 30km of coast. That's not to say it's less valuable than any other bit of coast, but we really should not go into great detail unless something extraordinary is discussed, such as the tallest cliff or a thermal submarine spring. Anyway, I really appreciate your input, I really doubt that I'd ever stumble upon the thermal springs and that info is great!--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:41, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining this. I actually think the diploma thesis is a reliable source, and am not convinced by your argument that the article would not pass for the FA due to it being used as a source. Were there any such cases in the past? It can be regarded as a scientific source too. If necessary, this should be discussed at WP:RELIABLE (or elsewhere). I also think the Slovenian coast is not so important in the context of this article, but if you can add some general material about the flysch and alluvial plains, and avoid making impression that the Slovenian coast is largely of limestone/karst, I believe it would bring further quality to the article. --Eleassar 12:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Let me put it this way: if I found an interesting fact in a diploma thesis, I'd see where the thesis sourced it and use that source rather than the thesis itself precisely to avoid any reliability discussion.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

The problem is diploma theses are much more easily verifiable, as they are published online, and their sources are many times not always available on the Web. Also, your advice is not really helpful, as you would have to check the statement in the original source or mention that you've seen it in a diploma thesis, per Misplaced Pages:CITE#Say where you read it. --Eleassar 15:31, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Units of measurement

Please note that units of measurement used in prose should be spelled out per WP:MOSNUM.--Tomobe03 (talk) 17:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Per WP:MOS: "Symbols may also be used when a unit (especially one with a long name) is used repeatedly." In my opinion, the word hectare(s) is a long one and only the first instance should be spelled out. Anyway, I can also change this back to full spelling. --Eleassar 17:14, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Indented coast

Moved to Talk:Adriatic Sea. --Eleassar 11:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Tivoli Pond for deletion

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Tivoli Pond

Hi Eleassar, thanks for adding the new material to the Tivoli Pond article. I've made some copy-edits, including restoring some earlier edits that may have been inadvertently lost. If you have any questions about them, I'll be glad to comment. Doremo (talk) 16:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that. Doremo (talk) 17:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear Eleassar,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Misplaced Pages administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
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• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'd be willing to share my experience through an e-mail exchange, but would like to be send the analysis when it's done/published. You may send me the questions now, but I'll have more time to answer them after 20 February, so expect my replies till 1 March. --Eleassar 11:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Your opinion is being asked (see the Yugoslav partisans Talk page) as politely as possible

In your opinion which sources dealing with the number of Slovene Partisans are more accurate? Is it the sources from 1980s (that are being cited in the diploma thesis by Primož Pirc written in 2008), or the ones collected and published in 2011 in the Slovenski zgodovinski atlas? The data given in the Slovenski zgodovinski atlas are as follows:

• December 1941: 1,200 Slovene partisans (it states "1200 partisans" only, but I think the armed illegals are included).
• Summer 1942: 5,300 Slovene partisans / 400 members of the Home Guard.
• Summer 1943: unchanged number as the year ago, i.e. 5,300 Slovene partisans / 6000 members of the Home Guard / 200 members of the Slovene Chetniks.
• Autumn 1943 (after the capitulation of Italian army): 20,000 Slovene partisans / 3,000 members of the Home Guard / 0 members of the Slovene Chetniks.
• Summer 1944: 30,000 Slovene partisans / 17,000 members of the Home Guard / 500 members of the Slovene Chetniks.
• Winter 1945: 34,000 Slovene partisans / 17,000 members of the Home Guard / 500 members of the Slovene Chetniks.

DancingPhilosopher 12:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012

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