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Why does this page redirect to Elle Macpherson? Mimi Macpherson is not Elle Macpherson, rather her sister.

It's a long story. StAnselm (talk) 01:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Recreation

G4 specifically only applies to recreations which are "substantially identical to the deleted version", which is not the case here. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Article is basically still the same that was deleted and passed through deletion review. Morbidthoughts (talk) 03:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, it is about the same subject, so of course there will be similarities. However, the speedy criterion cited requires that it be nearly identical, which is not the case. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I initially agreed with Morbidthoughts that the article is essentially the same, but Nikkimaria has identified the following differences between the two articles:

The addition of an "Early life" section, substantial reorganization of the article, addition of multiple new citations, omission of the previously contentious discussion about the sex tape, assorted updates and corrections.

Consequently, I have restored the article. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 05:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

and people will put in mention of the tape supported by bunches of reliable sources to the point where BLP claims of NPOV is satisfied, as in before. Morbidthoughts (talk) 05:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Lots of stuff could be added

Have a look at that first reference - it describes her as a "whale watching entrepreneur" and building developer of some big projects. I'm not sure if they're worth articles of their own, but stuff like "After chartering two giant catamarans for her Mimi Macpherson Whale Watch Expeditions, she completely revamped the huge, three-deck Discovery One with new, faster engines, fresh paint, Italian furniture and plush carpets." and "Her debut was Aspect on Burleigh, a nine-level boutique apartment building on the Gold Coast Esplanade by her development company PM Developments in 2004." I'm not all that interested in the article, but that first reference is full of all kinds of stuff. You could double the size of this in short order, I think. Wnt (talk) 23:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Undue weight to drunken driving arrests

The excruciating details regarding the drunken driving arrests provide WP:UNDUE coverage and need to be trimmed. -- The Red Pen of Doom 13:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Macpherson is a high range drunk driver and a serial offender with little regard for public safety. Drunk driving offences are mentioned in numerous other articles, including Mel Gibson and Kiefer Sutherland, why should this article be any different? The blood alcohol levels, the fines and suspensions are all relevant to report the seriousness of the multiple offences. Perhaps some editors would prefer this article as a hagiography? WWGB (talk) 13:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

perhaps some editors think that[REDACTED] is the improper forum to promote claims that a living person has "little regard for public safety" through a violation of WP:SYN. -- The Red Pen of Doom 13:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:SYN applies to article space. It has no relevance to a talk page. WWGB (talk) 13:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

BLP does apply to talk pages. And your talk page comments clearly show that the content you want to include in the article is to make a point within the article that the original sources dont. Your talk page comment is evidence of the SYN you are pushing within the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 14:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how the text of the article supports that reading. The paragraph describes the reports in a very factual manner. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

That was my thinking when I trimmed it. And that "Personal life" wasn´t a good title for the text. I´m not against a valid summary saying it´s bad drunkdriving, but the level of detail seemed to clash with the rest of the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't see three sourced sentences as "undue". On the other hand, this edit by TheRedPenOfDoom did introduce highly negative and unsourced assertions, not seen before in this incarnation of the article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh right, people are convicted all the time without being arrested. -- The Red Pen of Doom 14:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes; what's your point? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

How about something like "She´s been convicted for driving under the influence three times, in 1995, 2001 and 2007, with fines and suspended licence as a result. Her blood alcohol content was roughly 2-3 times that of the legal limit depending on occasion". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

With refs and wikilinks, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

DUI

I've trimmed the DUI paragraph as undue weight especially for a BLP. I'm not sure it should be mentioned at all.(olive (talk) 16:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC))

Okay. I think the sentence left can be kept, as it's quite well-sourced and the incident received extensive coverage; we might add at least the dates for the previous two convictions, though I'm not fussed about it. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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