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I was blocked for this and see no reason to continue with a cloud hanging over my head or confusion over the issue. An apparent third party appeal to the admin here failed, so it's clear I should not continue if that is what everyone wants. If people want to add their names to this table, to show if this block is justified or not, that might change my mind, otherwise, good luck to the lot of you, and happy editing. Penyulap ☏ 12:53, 4 Jul 2012 (UTC)
Justified	Mythpage88 (talk) 19:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Unjustified	Thom2002 (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Unclear	Don't understand the reason for the block.93.96.148.42 (talk) 08:44, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks

I thank you.

		The Special Barnstar
		If one was being attacked by a gang of vicious barbarians, I'd be very happy to have you on my side.andreasegde (talk) 18:09, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. I am pleased that your troubles have had a silver lining. If I made a new friend every time I was attacked by a flock of seagulls I'd be quite the celebrity. Penyulap ☏ 02:20, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Beatles mediation

Hi. I saw you struck your name from the agreement to mediation — are you withdrawing your participation? Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 21:38, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

We have all lost the battle. If the objective was to bring peace and harmony between the editors, then having one of them voted out for 12 months means the war has already been lost. Come back in 12 months and I'll be happy to work towards a solution with everyone. Penyulap ☏ 02:24, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Are you referring to the editing restrictions on andreasegde? Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 04:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I am, you can hardly resolve your differences when you turn your back upon one member of the group who is actually willing and able to reach a compromise. Penyulap ☏ 04:34, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Well, I suppose you know that andreasegde's restrictions specifically allow participation in mediation — does this affect your decision? Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 05:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

teaching someone how to drive a car and saying they can't have a license even if they pass the test ? doesn't seem a meaningful approach to the problem to me. Penyulap ☏ 05:54, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

If andreasegde participates, will you consider this adequate representation of your side in the mediation? Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 06:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

"If andreasegde participates" is half the question, where he is allowed to participate, or where he is welcome to participate, is the other half. I'll let him have input on it at this point. I would follow his lead as to whether there is any point whatsoever in participating until he is able to edit the topic himself. Myself, I see no point in it, as I have explained and that is where I lean heavily. I think only he could persuade me otherwise, and I don't think there is any need for it honestly. Back in 12 months when there is a genuine effort to get everyone editing together. Penyulap ☏ 06:29, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

I would like you in on the mediation page, Penyulap. Let's see how it all finally ends. Even if it's a bad film, one should always wait until the credits roll.--andreasegde (talk) 08:49, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

As you please, I am more the kind who will sit through rubbish for a bit, but when it's really bad, yes I do walk out. The people at the box office will never be able to give the 90 minutes of your life back, so salvage what you can, where you can. Feel free to unstrike me. Penyulap ☏ 09:03, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Encore

Hi Penyulap, I wonder if you might be able to help me. My recurring problem has just recurred, again. What is the best way to deal with it? Thanks and regards, Eddaido (talk) 10:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Y opened discussion at Talk:Frank Costin Penyulap ☏ 10:16, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Eddaido (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

And thank you again, you certainly are a friend, many thanks indeed, sincerely, Eddaido (talk) 05:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Evilness

Any chance you could do me a "The Evil Organization has been expecting you" or "Enter my evil volcano" in the style of File:Jaguar on fire.gif?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

You bet ! Now that is a challenge, to improve your page. :) I shall do my best, starting tomorrow I expect. Penyulap ☏ 17:19, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC)

So let's talk colours, speed, and such Darrrling.... Penyulap ☏ 16:30, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Hehe thanks, But to you think you could modify it to just the flames and all black text, looks more evil that way! And change it to "Enter my evil volcano lair"♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

So it's black text as in volcano, yes ? and flame speed ? Penyulap ☏ 17:49, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Yes, try it, get rid of the white! Oooh actually you could do a Mmmmwwwooooahahaaaa!!!! in black, that would be evil coming from the flames LOL!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

In smaller black text, same size, above below, leave it to me, sign it at the end, questions questions, don't worry I have all the answers. Penyulap ☏ 19:50, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Like this ?

I will need a bit of time to get to the underlying flames, for Jaguar's it didn't matter because the windowed letters and the seams lined up perfectly. I have to patch these ones together properly or make some of my own flames (also good because I can change license on what I make from them), patching animations together is a bit labour intensive. But it'll be done soon enough. Penyulap ☏ 19:29, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Splendid! Thankyou!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Since you ask

I mean, would you want ME to have a sysop bit right now ?

Yes, yes I would. :) Viriditas (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Penyulap ☏ 12:47, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Re: some light/med/heavy reading continued...

My mistake on the incorrect assumption; I am sorry.

Saying this cautiously, it seems there is a willingness to bring up the ISS ENG:VAR discussion again, provided we have some rules for the discussion. That is good news, right?

If it does happen, I would ask you to get in touch with all the other editors who have supported your views or participated in the ENG:VAR discussions in the past. The more participation we have, the better.

As a side note, have you considered getting an editor review recently? I think some positive commentary would not be a bad idea. --Wingtipvorte PTT ∅ 18:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind the idea of a review, but as I am re-inventing myself at the moment (altering persona to match people's growing awareness of what I am really doing and why) then there'd be pretty much a lot of 'this is how you were back then' countered by 'that was so like 5 minutes ago' I don't mind, but, well, who knows.

I'm cool with trying to find some of the old editors who had commented on the talkpage in the past, it would be awesome to resolve and put aside all the 3 year old ill-feelings so everyone can move on, that would be awesome. Penyulap ☏ 18:58, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Understood on the review. As a side comment, you may want to hold off your RfA until all this is solved. That is just my suggestion anyway.

Be as transparent as possible when getting the old editors. Any hint of canvassing and the discussion would go haywire.

As for the comment you left me on my talk. One of the things that has to happen for the discussion is accept that the article is in en-uk. One way or another, that is the status quo now. I do not claim there was consensus for it to be that way and that is why we're trying to bring it up again. But the discussion has to be to either change from British or leave as is. I would discourage "bringing outside help" for now, lets try to solve this withing the spaceflight project first. You make some interesting points that I had not considered, I hope you are wrong and this is all just a misunderstanding.

I have put together a draft of how I may bring up the discussion on the ISS talk page again. These were just some good ideas I put together, they are not necessarily how I want the discussion to go, so I appreciate if you gave me some feedback (here on your talk). --Wingtipvorte PTT ∅ 01:08, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Wanna be an admin?

Two questions I suppose.

Firstly: If you were given the chance to be an administrator, would you take it?

Secondly: If so, have you any objection if I nominate you at RfA? Egg Centric 20:47, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

well, I look at it this way, it's that much more amusing to knock the 'goliaths' flat on their asses when you're as tall as a garden gnome. After a while everyone either gets wise to it, or I get bored with it, so Meh. On the other hand my skills are better suited to Arbcom, but that is all like reading and too much work and not enough goofing off. Being an admin, what does that involve, not any actual work at all, plus having an entourage follow you everywhere whining and complaining about everything you do. Hey, come to think of it don't I do that already ?

Look I'll say yes on both counts so long as I'm officially doing it just to shit my critics to tears ok ? Penyulap ☏ 21:29, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

If nothing else, you're certainly livening up this report with a bit of refreshing color!  :) Zad68 17:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)




I think this will make[REDACTED] history, I'm impressed already :) Penyulap ☏ 18:16, 24 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Don't say "With all due respect"

Hi, Penyulap. Did you notice this comment ? Please consider it. Bishonen | talk 22:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC).

Double negatives of statements of phrases that have double meanings under not every circumstance. I'll put it on my list of things to ponder ? Penyulap ☏ 22:50, 23 Jul 2012 (UTC)

oops sorry didn't notice the edit summary, I only looked at the edit. Please do as you wish, or just revert for now and I'll do something about it later. Penyulap ☏ 00:28, 24 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Re

RFA

Kudos for volunteering, but an RFA that has 4% support at this stage is not going to pass. Please withdraw. AGK 19:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: Hi Merovingian

I appreciate the greeting. As for my editing patterns... they are singular, in a word. Cheers. --Merovingian (T, C, L) 19:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For what might have been... Egg Centric 21:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

well I am thinking that to be fair to them I should try not to speak over the top of their heads and actually address their concerns. Sure there are the linguists and empaths who see through the simple screen as easily as you do, but to be proper I should address the majority rather than the minority, or actually address all of them which is easy enough to do, but not right now, I don't have energy due to low thyroid hormone levels and I don't have meds to keep me awake, so maybe later is better, probably after a smack from Auntie as well :)

Thank you for the Barnstar, and thank you for repeating for the third time that I should be an admin. I can still count editors you know ! :) I'm also awake enough not to namedrop either, given people want anyone at all to blame for their comments except themselves. I'll take a share, but they indeed are responsible for their inattention. Penyulap ☏ 22:21, 24 Jul 2012 (UTC)

I am speaking to people on wiki-en IRC at the moment. They say if you object to it closing then it can be re-opened. I do recommend this as it is surely worth a try. Egg Centric 23:43, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

If a passing stranger may make a suggestion, I don't think that reopening it is a good idea. From what I saw of your RfA, it failed pretty quickly and pretty unanimously (with only five supports and 24 opposes), and if you were to reopen it you'd probably see a repeat of this, or a very similar result. I recommend you take at least six months and wait for the impact of your SPI and block to wear off, maybe contribute to admin-related areas a little more, then go for the mop again. You may do as you wish, but I'd hate to see an editor like you fail RfA twice in less than a week. Kindest regards, The Utahraptor/_Contribs 02:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

The problem is not time, as much is an offence to reason, the problem is I slapped Emo trying to make him understand, so frustrated am I that they won't see. I agree with re-opening, but all of my statement would need to be removed, and I could place another. However it is clearer, but not entirely necessary, to tie up a few silly matters first. A few weeks is sufficient, it is important to place the RfA not because it needs the correct response, but because it needs the correct question. I have not presented the correct question. Penyulap ☏ 04:24, 25 Jul 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that you were involved in a very recent SPI case and a very recent block. Administrators are supposed to set an example for Misplaced Pages's newer editors, and RfA voters don't like seeing candidates who were recently (as in, within the last six months) involved in something controversial or blocked. You're free to do as you please, but I honestly don't think you're going to see much more support unless you wait a substantial amount of time before running again. Remember, it's not whether or not you think you're ready, but whether or not the community thinks you're ready. Regards, The Utahraptor/_Contribs 05:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Look, I agree with you 100% on these things, however they are trivial issues to address. As for 'don't think you're going to see much more support unless you wait a substantial amount of time before running again' I would agree 100%, we disagree only upon the definition of 'substantial'. The RfA closed in about 90 minutes was it ? I'd say hmm, (scratches chin) 4 hours at the most in a new RfA would show a greater percentage of support than the 1 positive, one Neutral Vs Negative and Joke votes. Naturally I would talk to my critics, rather than straight over the top of their heads. I've illustrated their complete inattention to meaning and the the weaknesses of the process. Actually it was probably a bad idea as it highlights how blatantly easy it is to become an admin as much as how badly the process needs an overhaul.

Of course, if the new one is left for more than a day or so, then you really do have a RfA on your hands. With an actual discussion on actual merit rather than the usual superficial congratulatory bullshit. Provoking a REAL discussion is your uncle Penyulap's favourite trick, ask the admins who responded when I walked into the administrator's noticeboard and said "I'm having a problem with my sockpuppet's userpage, what should I do ?" Like walking into the Police central headquarters wearing a mask, moneybags in hand and saying "Excuse me officers but my getaway car won't start, could you please help me ?" and they all rush straight out and have the bonnet open and are arguing about the best way to fix the car. The question is not 'is the getaway car a movie prop' or is the sockpuppet against any policy at all, the question is how long admins are going to edit war over my sockpuppets talkpage, or whether the officers will resort to shooting each other to resolve their dispute over jumper leads or push starting the getaway car. Till this day my sockpuppets userpage is locked to stop them and I'm not about to ask for it to be unlocked so they can start all over again. Penyulap ☏ 07:44, 25 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Hi Pen; I didn't even notice your RfA! I've been a bit busy. I have to say, though, that if I;d noticed it, I would have opposed you on a NOTNOW basis. Although your intellectual skills are awesome, you still need to spend probably several months brushing up on some of the interaction skills. You do tend to lose patience with people who genuinely can;t see / do the stuff you do, and it's vitally important that you stop thinking of them (and reacting to them) as being stupid, disruptive, deceitful, two-faced, and that stuff. (Remember this; that could be your biggest failing.) Bear in mind that it's not their fault that they can't see the detail that you see ... and that the vast majority of other people also can't see it. Also bear in mind that, on occasions, it is possible for you to make a mistake on the detail, by failing to see something that "the other type" can see ... and try to work very, very hard on learning to see what they can see. One thing which you could really do with, for your own sake as much as anything else, is a really hefty injection of tolerance and understanding of other people. This you can learn. (You're a smart student; you can learn almost anything if you really put your mind to it. But you'll have to put your mind to it; you need a burning desire to learn it. Think of it as a bit like learning a brand-new programming language.) Work, work, and work more. Maybe in six months or a year. But you'll never get it without addressing those issues, as those are the ones which turn people against you. Pesky (talk) 06:57, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorting things

Hi Penyulap. It seems our paths have been crossing a little bit recently and since that's likely to keep happening, I thought I'd try and clear the air. I'm happy to answer any questions on my behaviour, explain things in detail from my point of view, if you think it might help. Would you mind if I sent you an email on this matter - so you don't have lots of people interupting and telling you what you should think of me? (To those who did, I do appreciate your kind words)

If you'd like to copy in a person you trust on any replies, say our dear Auntie, or perhaps Dennis for example, I would have no objections to that. Or if you'd rather do things on wiki, here or at a quieter subpage, just let me know. Worm(talk) 09:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

You are in no way interested in improving yourself, your motivation stems solely from wanting to avoid my precision commentary of why you are acting in an incompetent manner. The only two options that I will give you is go work somewhere that I can't see you, or want to change your bad behaviour through a desire to improve yourself for the sake of self improvement alone. I'll tell you right now, you've fucked up so badly and consistently that you have a lot to learn, and with ZERO desire on your part to improve, I do not believe that you'll ever be sufficiently competent to earn my respect.

If you want my help to improve, the way to get it is not to come here because you're whining about Penyulap shoving your bad behaviour halfway up your ass like a flagpole for everyone to see, it's to ask me for my help because you honestly want assistance with your many problems, if you want to pretend that you are perfect, well, let's just all agree that you are perfect ok pumpkin ? and I'll be the one to show everyone just what kind of perfect thing you are. Penyulap ☏ 10:40, 26 Jul 2012 (UTC)

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