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To every thing

there is a season,

and a time to every purpose under the heaven

— Ecclesiastes/Pete Seeger/The Byrds

Best of luck in your future endeavors. Nobody Ent 13:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Desysop request

Hey Bish, done that, added some of the other bits back (rollback, edit patrol etc), but just wanted to let you know you're no longer an admin and you didn't leave under a cloud. At least, not a Wiki-cloud. Hope all is well with you, happy new year, take care. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

• Happy New Year! Giacomo Returned 20:47, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

• Is everything OK, Bish? If you need a break from adminship, no worries, of course, but wanted to check on you. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Mrs Bishonen is quite well, but (like myself) tired of some of the antics taking place here lately. In her (hopefully short) absence, I have been placed in charge of this page - I think it a pity she chose to throw her admin tools away rather than hand them over to someone wise who would have made good use of them - I can think of several people I would block if she had given them to me, but there you are - too late now. During her absence, I have been asked to remove all bots, stupid comments and posts from people I dislike. Good evening to you all. Catherine Rollbacker de Burgh (Lady) (talk) 09:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps if you would have given her jewels and valuables back that you "retained", she would have let you have the tools? Maybe she thought that you wouldn't give those back either.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 14:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the news, Your Ladyship. Herr Läufer shall wait for Frau Bishonen's return. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Why throw them away if you are just taking a break?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 14:12, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Bish can ask for the bit back whenever. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:17, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Bear in mind that Bish will still be recovering from the serious health problem she had before Christmas. These things take longer than you think they will (like builders really) and it can get you quite down if you're *still* not 100%. I'm sure a break will be good, and she'll be back before Lady Catherine has auctioned the furniture. Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Its a shame, editors seem to be leaving this place like rats and a sinking ship...maybe its just cause of the whole Mayan calendar end of the world Hoax. At least a dozen experienced editors have left in the last 2 weeks alone. At least 4 of them on the top 20 most active editors list. Place will be all Nube's soon. 71.163.243.232 (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

until spring

• Ta, Nobody Ent. Nice greenery, but I doubt it'll come to a sticky end. Those ridiculous bears seem to be headed for a new ice age, rather than de-hibernation. All they do is moan about how Giacomo left, they're sad, boo hoo. Did you notice the "three little socks" are impersonations of Bishzilla, Pod and Fish? Check out their talkpages, you'll see they're hibernating and stuff. Not me! Last sock standing! As soon as 'shonen is good and gone, I'll see if I can take over her admin tools. Not give them up under a cloud, so why not! And my evil nature is currently best possible representation of the personality of Actual Secret Individual who runs us all, so most suitable! darwinbish 19:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC).

Sock? No socks here, just Bishonen alternate accounts. Not nasty sock. No evil nature, only Sauron and Sauruman evil. Nobody Ent 00:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

darwinbish portrait

Hi Bishonen! One of your evil menagerie recently thanked me for fixing their pic. I hope this means Bishzilla won't try to eat me some time in the near future. That task is best left to my parents' elderly corgi.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:03, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Best Wishes

Hope all is well and wishing you a Happy and Prosperous New Year (Prospero Año Nuevo as we sometime-Spanish say). Get Well Soon/Speedy Recovery is offered also as applicable. ML (Much Love as we sometime-Scientologists say). Your friend --Lyncs (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:User pages#RfC: Should "new messages" banner hoaxes be prohibited?

Hi Bishonen. You participated in the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:User pages#Simulating the MediaWiki interface (joke banners redux). I have started an RfC about the issue: Misplaced Pages talk:User pages#RfC: Should "new messages" banner hoaxes be prohibited?. Cunard (talk) 05:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I would always have resisted the proposal to outlaw joke banners, but the reason I've been so invested in it for years is that I have most often — no, only, really — come across the practice of aggressively removing those banners in a particular context: the sadistic piling on on a vulnerable user whenever he's been in hot water and thus an object of attention — a user whose last shred of wikipride the banner represents. (Don't ask me why it does, but it seems to be a fact, and empathy-challenged people who like attacking safe targets seem to be prepared to escalate the issue indefinitely and triumphantly.) See the user's recent talkpage history, and here's another example from 2007, when the user was called Certified.Gangsta. Compare Skomorokh's eloquent oppose. But I'll pass on your RFC, thank you. I'm tired of trying to argue on the level of "it's not funny", "it's irritating" etc. I admit it's in a way tempting to use the RFC to personally attack, bite, and eat a few users so full of themselves as to want joke message banners verboten on the principle that they waste valuable time which could otherwise have been spent improving the encyclopedia. On a slow connection, clicking on one of these banners and having the (apparently) peculiarly insulting experience of being misdirected to Practical joke could easily take up to eight or nine seconds, couldn't it! Just think of the encyclopedic improvements people could have been making in that time! And so many users have these fake banners on their pages (don't they?) that our editing will inevitably be continually disrupted as we're helplessly washed up, again and again, at Practical joke. I mean, how many usertalk pages are the bnners on? 60%, is it? 70%? It must be something like that, or surely nobody would care, or would they?

Where was I… oh. Yes, I was briefly tempted to weigh in. But I've depressed myself too much over the years reading these interminable "debates" on the subject, stretching back to the Big Bang, and I have shed my illusions that my input could make any difference. Another depressing factor is the hilariously non-neutral way you've introduced the RFC. Posting a selection of old comments in favour of banning these jokes, but nothing whatever of this nature? "Summarising" the arguments of people like me in the way you do? Seriously? Have you even looked at the instructions for talkpage RFCs?

Might those ever-renewed debates about the subject possibly waste any time which could have been spent improving the encyclopedia ? Could Bulwersator have a point about the bike shed? Or could all this activity in removing banners, which you, Cunard, so oddly list as an argument for your case (the existence of such activity is an argument for encouraging more such activity? How come?) take up any valuable potential editing time? These conundrums are left as an exercise to my page watchers. I'll be returning to the cave now. Bishonen | talk 23:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC).

Giano

Bishonen, can you not use your considerable powers of persuasion to get Giano to reconsider his retirement? The place will be "dullsville" without him. God knows the joint has already got as boring as an in-laws family reunion.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Hi there Ms. Bishonen. I saw a couple posts and thought how great to see you active again. I miss ya. I'm really sorry for any health things you may be dealing with (and you have all my thoughts an prayers in that), but I didn't want to bother you with that silly orange banner either. I've always thought the world of you, and I love your sense of humor ... please tell all the little "bishes" I said hi. When you address real issues in regards to WP, you do it very well - and I take your words to heart. I'd very much like to see you more active, but I must respect your need to "hibernate". You have all my best wishes. — Ched :  ?  23:22, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah well. Very kind, I'm sure, Ched. Better not wake the bears, all they do is carry on about entering a new ice age and wishing they were polar bears because Giacomo left. Yeah, yeah. See evil response to Nobody Ent above. darwinbish 19:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC).

WT:AC/N

My comment wasn't intended to imply that you had a history of being accused of incivility. I understand the general complaint against the civility enforcement paradigm to be that enforcement is uneven, often hypocritical, and utterly subjective. So it just struck me as interesting to see opponents of civility enforcement pointing out the incivility of a relatively mild comment. Calling out "screaming" makes some sense as an indictment of hypocrisy, but is a little odd (to me) as a genuine complaint. Nathan 17:57, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

(e/c, top-posting, sorry).You're a little odd (to me), but I'm sorry I called you a louse. Don't wake Mommy Bear, please. Study the "woodlice" line art drawing above. Bishonen | talk 18:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC).

You're not alone, I'm a little odd to a lot of people. I'm also a little out of practice at commenting in policy debates (or contributing to Misplaced Pages in any way, for that matter), and should have paid a little more attention to my phrasing. Best wishes for a quick recuperation! Nathan 18:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Was it a complaint or was it simply an observation? Malleus Fatuorum 18:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Quoting in part: "Please don't keep using "screaming" as a summary of arguments you don't like, Fluff. (You use the word too, Sandstein.) It's disrespectful, provocative, and contemptuous." I understood her comment to be a complaint, but I may have been incorrect. Nathan 18:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Self requested block of old abandoned account

Hello, I have recently come across an old abandoned account of mine last edited in 2009 that happens bears my legal name, User:Phoenixbkelser was used for purposes I am ashamed of, I request to have it blocked indefinitely so I can never return to it, I do not want to ever return to it, I am 100% sure it was mine as it is my full fist and last name though its password I can not recall at the moment but may have it somewhere in the back of my mind. A block on that account would be helpful for me to move forward from that time, note my current account is older than User:Phoenixbkelser by two months, but the two where never used simultaneously. Regardless though, it was a brief part of my past that does not define me, today I am a better wikipedian, the best way for me to move forward is to confront my past with honesty, I will wait for your reply. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 18:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

PB.333, I'm lurking on Bish's page hoping to see she's changed her mind, but right now she seems to have either scaled way back, or retired, depending on how you choose to read between the lines of the note at the top. But no matter which it is, she's no longer a sysop, having resigned the tools a while ago, so she can't block your former account. Would you like me to do this for you? I've looked into it a little, and it seems OK in an IAR kind of way. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I can't think of a reason to wait to hear back from you, so done. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Note: I've removed Bish's page from the admins willing to self-block category . Nobody Ent 13:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Should she still be an account creator as well? 138.162.8.58 (talk) 18:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi 138.*, permissions are generally not removed from someone's account because they leave for an indeterminate time. Even the desysop was voluntary. No need to do anything more, I think. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Plus, even though not editing (much), why mightn't 'shonen need to create a couple more socks, or five or six, to take care of loose ends? I'm getting a little tired of having to run the whole show single-handed, you know! (Signed) Darwinbish, acting CEO of the Bishonen conglomerate, 21:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC).

P.S. OK, IP showed good sense here. Accusation of impertinence retracted without prejudice. darwinbish 21:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC).

Friend bearing gift

	Something nice for you
	Here is my ursine friend bringing you a nice fishy. Fishies promote healing. And they are crunchy. Love from Wolfie :o) Pesky (talk) 11:08, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Fishy? Crunchy ? Is that my little brother the monster is eating?? We're mostly all fish here, Wolf! Look at portraits, see for yourself! Don't eat sushi on this page! Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes! darwinbish 14:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC).

Bishapod the fishapod:

Darwinfish, good twin, silly minnow with feet:

Darwinbish, evil twin, highly evolved type of fish with feet:

Awww, it was meant to be a nice treat for Mommy Bear! (Wolfie gently hugs fishy socks.) Pesky (talk) 17:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

"Mommy Bear" is a polar bear now, see top of page. Applies to all of Svalbard. Better give her a seal. darwinbish 19:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC).

• Are cupcakes still acceptable nourishment? — Ched :  ?  19:32, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• At RFCs mainly. Well, and cupcakes that come with other people's weenie wikilove messages can be tasty. darwinbish 23:57, 8 March 2012 (UTC).

I think polar bears eat fish, too. But not special fishy sock-fishies, Pesky (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Polar bears eat pretty much whatever the hell they want. I don't want to freak anyone out, so I won't post the picture, but... (Pesky, last chance, stop reading now)... they eat wolves, too. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Yup, they'll eat anything; they're not proud! Except, apparently, wolverines. I can't for the life of me think of the immediate citation (may have been Larousse), but some zoo or other decided that a wolverine and a polar bear could share the same sham-Arctic habitat area, provided that the wolverine had somewhere safe to escape from the bear. Next morning, the official result was Wolverines:1; Bears:0. The bear had nowhere safe to escape from the wolverine. Pesky (talk) 22:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Bish can always use more cupcakes. Best wishes, Jack... Buck 12:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Not bad, Jack! I plan on generously leaving the less-than-glamorous cake itself to 'shonen and maybe Fish. They're not gourmets like me! darwinbish 21:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC).

Pressie for the fishy socks :D

	Munchies for fishies!
	These daphnia are for sharing! Photo by Thomas Bresson Pesky (talk) 22:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Like a budgie with big manga eyes... Thank you for showing me pretty girl, ms. Pesky! Not share her with anybody! Er, what does "munchies" mean? darwin 11:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC).

• LOL. Ignoramus! That water flea is for eating, not <gag> dating! Pesky, kindly stop your green stuff going on and on. Even <br style="clear:both" /> doesn't help! darwinbish 11:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC).

Missing you

I'm missing you badly, chère, and it's difficult for this old dinosaur to cope with the over-evolved ankle biter, so I'm just reminding you of the thawing weather here. I spent the day yesterday at Herbert Art Gallery & Museum, Coventry and found 4 volumes of press cuttings dating from around the 1820s, all concerned with theatrical productions in Coventry - Edmund Kean is prominently mentioned, and there's a report of a performance of "The Ancient and Tragic History of King Lear (originally by William Shakespeare)", immediately striking me that so much Bowdlerisation had occurred that the reader had to be reminded of who wrote Lear! It was pure gold dust as primary sources and I thought of how much you might have enjoyed seeing how theatre evolved in that post-Regency/pre-Victorian period from a first-hand narrative. Anyway, if you fancy doing something around that period sometime, let me know and I'll get some transcripts sorted out.

While I'm here, and cognisant of this piece of advice:

• Misplaced Pages:Canvassing#Appropriate notification - "An editor who may wish to draw a wider range of informed, but uninvolved, editors to a discussion might place a message at one of the following: ... On the talk pages of a user mentioned in the discussion"

I ought to inform you that you're mentioned at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 1#Category:Wikipedians who wish Bish and Giano would come back, where you can see that numerous, diverse Wikipedians also wish you well and would like to see you return to active editing. Dino-hugs --T-RexxS (talk) 20:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• sigh* .. I find it a sad thing that the project is at a point where an editor feels they must actually search out and post the quote from a guideline before they make a post that they should feel perfectly free to make (and is quite acceptable). Very sad that we've digressed so far that folks walk on egg-shells about a simple notification. Is there really any doubt as to why so many quality editors are no longer active in building the encyclopedia? — Ched :  ?  19:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

An Anne Frank quote for you!

I was wandering in the wilderness

	Polar bear cuddles
	I came across this ... y'know, sometimes I see something which really makes me want to go up to someone and shake them warmly by the throat. But you – you deserve lots of huggies. Pesky (talk) 07:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

• How did you stumble on that? Like arguing with a brick wall, isn't it? I'm surprised that page hasn't been deleted by some flunky (there's one born every minute). Hopefully it's safe in my userspace, but you never know. Anyway. Cute baby Maritimus! I hope the darwinbishster doesn't turn up and teach it to bite people in unmentionable parts; she likes to spread the evil among the young, and to train babies of all kinds to be her loyal bodyguards and hitmen. (Just check out her new template, for posting on people who have been awarded Wikilove kittens!) I'll try to keep the little teddy away from her. By the same token, better not let her near your New Forest ponies. Bishonen | talk 00:20, 10 May 2012 (UTC).

I stumble across all sorts of things! It's called blue-link surfing, lol! I chuckled at DarwinBish's kittie-love ;P Anyone who has ever kept kittens knows just how needle-sharp those little fangs can be; though their mouths aren't generally big enough for a fierce ass-bite, they can certainly get right down to the bone on fingers and toes! My own New Forest ponies would probably enjoy the challenge of playing with a DarwinBish; they'll do almost anything for a laugh ... highly intelligent breed with an occasionally warped sense of humour. Pesky (talk) 10:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

{Baby Tex wobbles into the room with a Lego in his hand}

Bite! Bite! Ha ha ha ha! Oooooohhh. Horsh, horsh! Da Da, horsh! Baby Tex (talk) 13:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmmm. DarwinBish, was that your work, too? Pesky (talk) 14:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

No it wasn't. I can't be everywhere! But if you create a User:Baby Rocket-Pony I'll consider taking him/it under my protection together with the other baby torpedoes. Good boy, Baby Tex! Keep up the good work. Who're you going to throw that Lego at? Capo Darwinbish, 15:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC).

Oh, trust me, Little Tex has a great arm when it comes to throwing Legos! I'm usually the one who gets bonked, but not on purpose. He doesn't look where he throws most of the time! Tex (talk) 17:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Baby Rocket-Pony is no longer a baby; he's the one in the lead as they round the bend in that impromptu race in the video up there! Next year he will be old enough to start learning how to be ridden. That, of course, will have to come after learning how to co-operate with humans on any level not involving "being unable to do anything about it". Pesky (talk) 19:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Shakespeare Authorship Question

I have no intention of engaging in any edit war and I apologise if you feel my previous action was in some way discourteous.

I have commented on the main talk page for the Shakespeare Authorship Question.

I should be obliged by your early response.

Wightknightuk (talk) 13:39, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, as all the contributors here are volunteers, you may not request an early response, because nobody is under any obligation to respond to you at all. However, I'll drop a note on your talk page that may be beneficial to you. --RexxS (talk) 01:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Bish for ArbCom

Hey sleepy bear, why don't you run for ArbCom instead of putting it all on MastCell & Floquenbeam? Money where your mouth is and all that? Nobody Ent 21:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Which Bish? Several editors have tried to no avail to get Bishzilla to run. Maybe this is the year...
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 21:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

No avail? Plenty avail, little hunter. Been there, done that, in 2008. Admittedly, was forced by overwork (campaign very strenuous!) to abandon candidacy before voting began. But see also and . bishzilla _ROARR!! 22:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC).

Which one is the ankle biter? That's who I'd vote for. Nobody Ent 23:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

LOL, 'Zilla hardly likely reach down to tiny ankles of little users! Ankle biter is naughty grandsock Darwinbish. Small user, sharp teeth! Perhaps good qualities for arb... not sure. 'Zilla more mellow! bishzilla _ROARR!! 23:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC).

'Zilla can afford to be mellow. Speak softly and swing a big something. Or something. --Lyncs (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Lyncs! Good to see you on my page. The point 'Zilla kept making in her 2008 campaign was that she and her Dino Ursprache would bring conciseness to arbcom (along with a big stick, for sure). I still think she had a good point there. It was during the less-than-glorious heyday of the most verbose arbitrator ever, so her remarks on the subject were rather pointed. But in a tactful way. Bishonen | talk 22:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC).

Pointed but tactful. Like her teeth. LOL. Like your wit. Good to see you! --Lyncs (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I think Bishzilla would have gotten along just fine with FT2. He seemed quite fond of animals. MastCell  22:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Including reptiles? Now that I did not know. I fully take your point, MC, and it does you credit, but on another level: "would have gotten along," indeed. I know the glories of 2009 are history, but I hope you nevertheless recollect the high point of Bishzilla's admin career with some measure of reverence? Not so mellow as all that! Bishonen | talk 23:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC).

Technically, Bishzilla can run since Bishonen hannded in her bit...jus saying is" all...Bishzilla can do anything IT wants, and the fear of the Bishes is enough that tools aren't really necessary anyway...tools are for little users, right?--MONGO 00:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support ANY and all "Bish" candidates for administrative and/or arbitration authority. Sharp teeth? Fire breath? ... no matter. Judgement what matters. — Ched :  ?  10:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
  • I think all Bish needs to do is put in a request to get the bits back. And although we've not always agreed, I would support her.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Race you, Bishzilla! darwinbish 17:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)..
      • Bish-family should all run for arbitrary committee. Noez policy says alts can't all run. And lil'ankle-biter needs teh sharperer teeth. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I think Bishzilla should nominate me for admin...that's right...MONGO for admin! Since no one else would have the courage and the threat of opposing such a nomination ensures a great chance of being eaten alive...its the only fighting chance MONGO has! Especially considering I am perhaps the least popular editor on the website...and I've managed to make even more lasting relationships!...for the record, my first admin task would be an indefinite block on Jimbo...he doesn't create/edit anything besides his talkpage anyway...looks like trolling to me!MONGO 17:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, what a short memory this place has! Tex (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

  we knew that ;> Br'er Rabbit (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Would be interesting when the Bish block splits 2 - 2 on a vote. Nobody Ent 18:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Darwinbish has the casting bite. --RexxS (talk) 19:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Pesky supports any of the shoal of Bishes, too. Pesky (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Mrs Pesky great mastery of English prose! "Shoal of bishes!" :-) darwin 22:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC).

Oh, why don't you slink back to your extinction, you silly minnow? Shoo! darwinbish 22:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC).

New bitey kitteh for you to use ;P

Pesky (talk) 06:42, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Hehehehehehe, cute little fellow! Finally some assistance in my great work to teach everybody a lesson! darwinbish 09:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC).

Ummmm, little bitey fishie, have you enrolled a squadron of mozzies recently? I am covered in bites. Maybe I'm just very, very tasty. Pesky (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Quite tasty! little ankle biter 19:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC).

Pesky (talk) 20:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Alleged threats

As it happens, I saw the alleged "bomb threat" before they deleted it. I don't recall the exact text, but it was some juvenile, poorly-worded thing about using a bomb "to destroy wikipedia", followed by one of those mmmmuuuuuaaaah!!!!! kinds of things. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 13:36, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I looked. That was pretty much what it was. Straight out of a bad B-movie script. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Ohhh, the evil laugh! Please not the laugh! (Oversighted and deleted are all the same to me, as to you, Bugs, I can't see either of 'em. Probably fortunately, in this case. My poor nerves can't take it.) Bishonen | talk 19:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC).

I wish they had left it there, just for the humor of it. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

About Barnets århundrade

Hi Bish!
The article about a possibly very well known book was recently started. I was having fun translating the article without using Google translate:

• "Barnets århundrade" är en mycket känd bok skriven av den svenska författaren Ellen Key"
• "Barnets århundrade" is the best known book written by the Swedish educationalist Ellen Key.

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• "1909 översattes "Barnets århundrade" till engelska och fick titeln "Century of the child". Boken har i dag översatts till 13 språk."
• ""Barnets århundrade" was translated into English in 1909 with the title "Century of the child". The book has been translated into 13 languages."

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• "Selma Lagerlöf och August Strindberg."
• Selma Lagerlöf and August Strindberg.

- ... and was then it was quickly and correctly redirected to Ellen Key.

I tried dropping the whole untranslated article into sv.wp to see what would happen, but got this Varning

Could you possibly have a little look into this? Dank u!--Shirt58 (talk) 14:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Promising translation.. why don't you continue it, and turn the redirect back into an article? :-)

The Swedish warning template merely informs you that you're recreating a page name that was previously deleted, in 2006. I expect we get the same kind of response over here. It's obviously an automatic message, and it doesn't say there's something wrong with the content you tried to put in; only that you should consider whether your text is "appropriate". Of course that's because of a generalised suspicion of recreations of deleted articles. But this text can't very well be the same as the old one, since the new is perfectly cromulent, while the old was deleted as a "test".

Unfortunately I'm not an admin on sv.wiki (nor active there so's you'd notice), so I can't read the "Barnets århundrade" that was deleted. But I took a look at the sw Ellen Key, and that's only got half a sentence about "Barnets århundrade". (Oddly enough, the sentence claims that it's been translated into 26 languages, exactly twice as many as your Wikipedjenny.) Hmm, I think I must edit the intro a little… anyway.

I think you should ignore the Swedish bot's warning, since "your" text is no test, and create the article. Or else give Wikipedjenny a little advice, on the lines of "Hey, you put this in the wrong wiki, try sv". Regards, Bishonen | talk 17:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC).

Thanks for all your help, Bish! I think mine was a very good translation, since I don't speak a word of Swedish. (I think of myself as at heart an Eng. Lit. nerd. And we Eng. Lit. types are typically monoglots, and confused by and rather suspicious of folks who can speak other languages.) I have a personal policy of not editing articles about books I haven't read. Will read the UPenn English translation here first. --Shirt58 (talk) 13:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I Concur

Your essay is correct..."With all due respect" is really the same as F--- OFF or even F--- YOU! In some circumstances, the "In all due respect" response may be worse than the "F" ones...for reasons that should be obvious!MONGO 15:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Nice essay, Bish. Reminds of something I have learned in life, to wit, anytime someone says "I don't mean to ...", they are broadcasting exactly what they do meant to, e.g. "I don't mean to interrupt ..." followed by the interrruption, "I don't mean to criticize ..." followed by the criticism. The answer is, of course, as soon as you hear "I don't mean to ... ", quickly and loudly interrupt with "THEN JUST DON'T". --Lyncs (talk) 15:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Haha. "I don't mean to call your post "idiotic", but.." Why not just say it? Bishonen | talk 17:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

"No offense intended, but..." --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

And "None taken" equals "Oh yeah? Wait till I get a chance to crap on you, buster." Bishonen | talk 17:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

"With all due respect..." Also, "I'd be happy to do X" typically means "I will grudgingly agree to do X if it's absolutely unavoidable." MastCell  17:23, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Whereas "Since you're twisting my arm, I suppose I might as well do X" typically means "I will be absolutely ecstatic to do X! Right now!" Bishonen | talk 17:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

"Experienced editors are encouraged" means that experienced editors are in fact discouraged. As, "Experienced editors are encouraged to improve articles about Israel and Palestine" or "experienced editors are encouraged to monitor contentious biographies of non-notable internet maniacs." I say this with all due respect to arbcom, who seems to routinely issue these prouncements of encouragement. Tom Harrison 17:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I think you may have forgotten to link the phrase to my essay, Tom. Bishonen | talk 17:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

I'll wait until I'm actually involved in arbitration, just for maximum effect. Tom Harrison 18:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, well...go ahead an be the snob! With all due respect, you're not really a Wikipedian until you have your name in neon atop an arbcom case!!! Only then have you fully arrived!MONGO 19:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

• Guilty as charged. I have indeed used the phrase "With all due respect" at times. It is seldom that I elaborate on exactly how MUCH respect said recipient is actually "due" however. IIRC - another current "don't shoot the messenger" style phrase is "IJS" .. or "I'm Just Sayin'". It all boils down to telling someone they're acting like a fool. Kudos to Ms. Bish for such a splendid and concise essay which shows much wisdom - but then I've come to expect that from "teh Bishes". :) Chedzilla (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

You are of course aware of WP:WIKISPEAK, where WP:WIKISPEAK#respect has been on the books for some time (see also WP:WIKISPEAK#regards). Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Bishonen | talk 18:24, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

Bah, I gave up with WP:WIKISPEAK when my only contribution was removed. --T-RexxS (talk) 21:17, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Haha. What a dark horse you are, Rex. I never knew about that (or did I?) Bishonen | talk 23:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

Hee heee heeeeee! I, personally, love the phrase "With all due respect." Emphasis on "due". It means that if the person whom you're addressing is unworthy of even the smallest smidgin of respect, then that's exactly how much you're prepared to give them ... it's one of those phrases which are always appropriate ;P Pesky (talk) 18:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

The phrase has /always/ been open to the zero-level ;)  Br'erRabbit  18:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I love it, dear Bish. Deliciously concise as well. Antandrus (talk) 22:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Do expand. :-) Perhaps a huge "See also" section? Bishonen | talk 23:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

Very nice. It's also used on Yes Minister. It takes James Hacker a while to realize Sir Humphrey is actually insulting him. Becomes a bit of a catch phrase.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, right, I think I remember, now you mention it. There was a slight emphasis on "due", right? Bishonen | talk 23:09, 15 June 2012 (UTC).

It's one of those irregular verbs. I deserve respect. You deserve all due respect. He can fuck right off. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:17, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I believe so, very slight. Nigel Hawthorne was a genius.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:27, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Dunno if this one shows up so much in your circles, but one of the classics in my area is "bless your/his/her heart". Which is perhaps not quite as strong as the others, but still bears the implication that the heart, while in the right place, is royally screwed up about what it thinks/is doing. Heimstern:Away (talk) 00:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I've come across the expression quite a bit, in novels, that is. (My English being largely a Lesefrucht altogether.) To be absolutely frank, they weren't the latest novels, and I took it to be a little… old-fashioned by now. Or at least kind of reserved for older speakers, and thereby not something you'd be likely to see on Misplaced Pages. Did I make that up out of whole cloth? Bishonen | talk 01:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC).

It probably is a hair old-fashioned. I hear it from people like my mum, after all. :-) And also from church-type people, who of course love words like those. Heimstern:Away (talk) 00:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I now look forward to the next in the series "Some of my best friends are xyz" --Joopercoopers (talk) 01:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Bish...we need different essay for the phrase Have a nice day...which is oftentimes used (least in the states) as an expression which actually means "F--- You". Well, maybe we don't...lol.--MONGO 02:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Yep, that one. That could use an essay. (We even have an article on it)! I think it's changed in meaning just in the last ten years; now it's more likely to be hostile than not. Recent example that happens to stick in my mind. But yet it's ..... "civil"!! Ha. Sometimes I hear it said in sincerity, here in California, typically by people a little older who may have not noticed the shift in intent. But that's all WP:OR. Antandrus (talk) 04:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I have hesitated to mention the really nasty stuff, but since some of you guys are bringing out heavy artillery like "Have a nice day", I'll put down Big Bertha: the notorious HTH HAND. My impression is that it's not that common nowadays, though; mainly used by a dying breed (as it might be, Slashdot tribal elders). Perhaps felt to be too scary? Joop, a rare visit, how nice to see you here! Bishonen | talk 09:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC).

I don't mean to be mean but (I'm about to slam the crap out of you) ...
"Just sayin" (I've insulted you but am now waving a verbal magic wand so you're not supposed to be insulted) Nobody Ent 10:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The really vicious girls in the jock/cheerleader clique at my high school would end their digs with "And I mean that in the nicest possible way." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's terribly nice of you to say that. I came, I saw, I concurred. Your humble and obedient servant, dave souza, talk 14:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Have a nice biscuit, Dave. Bishonen | talk 23:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC).

I'm thoroughly enjoying this extended convo! I simply love stuff like EsateAgentSpeak, too ;P

GarishlyCheerfully decorated / in InsipidNeutral colours; this Falling-downCharacter property is situated in a over-priced sought after location, far too close to Within easy reach of the train station, and comprises a cramped cosy entrance lobby, a ridiculously small snug living room, a couldn't swing a cat in it compact kitchen, two claustrophobic generous double bedrooms, and gardens mainly laid to weeds lawn ..... It hasn't been decorated or rewired in fifty years has scope for improvement, and is ruined by benefits from a tasteless modern conservatory of an OMFG who thought that looked good? unique design. In the noisy, smelly bustling small town of X__, and close to the heavily polluted popular seaside resorts of Y__ and Z__ ... Pesky (talk) 19:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Hahahaha! I had a real life "with all due respect" comment today directed at me from from an arrogant 20 something less than half my age....! My response was "yes you should respect me" followed by "and go fuck yourself"....it was quite comical...his expression was priceless when I used real words to say it how it is.MONGO 17:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hehe. Db couldn't have put it better herself. Not much better, anyway. darwinbish 20:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC).

"I'm not being funny, but.." A wonderful and magic British phrase which can be followed by absolutely anything offensive or insulting, and it's perfectly ok. When you hear it you can be sure the person is about to be purposely insulting or breathtakingly stupid, but you're simply not allowed to take offence or react because, you know, they're not being funny. --Escape Orbit 22:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Seriously? I've never heard that phrase. Is it new? I admit it's been some thirty years since I lived (briefly) in the UK. You should put that on WP:NPA, you know. "Insulting or disparaging an editor is usually a personal attack, but not if you say 'I'm not being funny'." Bishonen | talk 22:45, 26 July 2012 (UTC).

Think it's pretty new in the last few years. My theory is it was popularised by its saturation use on Big Brother (UK). Usually uttered by someone who really wanted to say something they suspected would annoy people, but desperately didn't want anyone to have any excuse to hate them. "I'm not being funny, right, but.." is the magic phrase that apparently allows this. If you google it you'll find it in frequent use, and just as many people saying how annoying it is. --Escape Orbit 23:07, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Religion and linguistic style

Not quite the couple I'd think of. I've raised the matter here. Oh, and we have this one to consider as well, <sigh>. Tony (talk) 13:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

This topic, and aphorisms towards the top of this page, bring to mind the extended statement on what humanity is by the cleric's wife in Bergman's Autumn Sonata. Do you remember it? I copied it down by hand (in English), I was so impressed. Tony (talk) 13:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Remember it? I'm not sure I ever heard it. I'm not a culture vulture like you. :-) You'd better tell me what it was, Tony, or link me to it if it's on the web, and I'll see if User:Little Stupid and I can get our heads round it.
Yeah, I did notice that that those are the religions MOS has pages on: Islam and Mormonism. Bishonen | talk 14:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC).

The copyright-carer in me thinks it should be emailed, not posted on-wiki. Shall do so when that piece of paper turns up again. It's sure to in the next few days. Tony (talk) 12:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

{talk page watcher} I would be very interested in seeing it as well, Tony, if you have a minute. Thanks. -- Dianna (talk) 19:18, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

OMG, it's one of those man things again. Tony, you've jinxed it already! "Sure to turn up in the next few days?" Huh? What? You know now (or you would, if you were female) that the next time anyone is likely to catch sight of the thing will be when you move house in 20 years' time and it's discovered at the back of a cupboard with a few other things that accessed the wormhole in the fabric of domestic reality known as being "put in a safe place"! Pesky (talk) 04:52, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

There's hope: it turned up in my very messy bedroom a few weeks ago. And a winter clean-up is in the offing! It's just a wonderful paragraph, Bergman, of course, speaking for himself through her. While it's couched in christian terms (her husband is, after all, a Lutheran priest), it's universal, too. Tony (talk)

• Found it. "To me, humans are a tremendous creation, an inconceivable thought. In humans is everything, from the highest to the lowest. They are god's image, and in god there is everything. So humans are the demons and the saints, the prophets and artists and iconoclasts. Everything exists side by side; it's like huge patterns, changing all the time. In the same way, there must be countless realities – not only the reality we perceive with our dull senses, but a tumult of realities arching over each other inside and outside. It's just fear and priggishness to believe in limits: there are no limits, either to thoughts or feelings. It's anxiety that sets the limits." Tony (talk) 08:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Cool, Tony, thank you. Food for thought. The "anxiety" conclusion is great. Lemme try to find out what it was originally: ängslan or ångest?

Aah.. hmm.. most sites only quote the first half of your passage. Ah, got it: "ängslighet" sets the limits. I didn't think of that one, but it's good. Less elegant than "ängslan", more like what somebody would actually say. Bishonen | talk 09:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC).

Hi Bish

I mentioned you at the rfc on unblocking, the meaning of my remark is this, just in case you'd like to tell someone what I meant, the irony is that you tried to assist, by expanding from the bare minimum guide possible into something a little larger. It was proper and a great idea, sent me off considering an award :) which is hard to do for someone like you, Jorgath was also brilliant, putting me in the same ideas mode. Anyhow, that's what I meant, it was going fine until the over vocal minorities stirred irrational fears in the mob over 'but what could happen'. Penyulap ☏ 15:34, 30 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Ha, that was a very flattering remark of yours about common sense leaving the building, thanks! :-) Yeah, I stopped talking and unwatched the page, because people didn't seem to be listening. Nobody contradicted my actual point (that this is already allowed, and the experienced among us already do it, so we shouldn't be keeping the way to do it secret from the less experienced), they just ignored it. I'm sorry, I should probably have insisted more, but (whiney tone surfacing) I have this low boredom threshold. I hope it works out. Not looking too promising, though, is it? :-( Bishonen | talk 17:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC).

P.S. In case any TPWs are interested in the blocking policy, or otherwise want to depress themselves, the discussion in question is here. Bishonen | talk 12:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC).

You're welcome, yes, I just re-read it, "Commonsense ironically left the building soon after Bish stopped talking." it does make me laugh all over again. :)

Boredom threshold, umm, I have some comment on that I'll tell you later. Penyulap ☏ 22:30, 7 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Randi GA nomination

I have started a GA review of an article to which you have recently contributed. Any help in addressing the concerns raised in the review are welcome.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Me, contributed? ... oh, right. Contributed microscopically. But I'll take a look, since I'm interested in the subject. Thanks for letting me know. Bishonen | talk 19:28, 9 July 2012 (UTC).

One edit from you is better than 10,000 edits from most others...MONGO 17:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

LÖL. bishäpöd celebrating Heavy Metal Umlaut Day 19:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC). Hellö MÖNGÖ!

New section

Sorry Bish. I am human. Wish it weren't so, but there you have it. Enjoy the summer.

You too, little user. I not human, but still. bishzilla _ROARR!! 16:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC).

lol

link .. ok ... that was funny. :D Chedzilla (talk) 01:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

It may be funny now. Not so much when the vigilant darwinbish sees it. Oh dear, I can't look... Bishonen | talk 09:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC).

Buyer's Remorse

Yep... the editor who originally declined was trying, with enthusiasm but no practice, a few, shall we say, non-admin declines, and that's partially my bad. Check further up on my talk page for a discussion of NAC/RFPP). I overrode about half of his closes after he asked me to take a look, including yours, and asked him to stop until he could get some consensus that that was a good idea, and a better mentor than myself on RFPP work.

I do think that it's critical to be conscious of how we treat editors. Sorry you got caught in this SNAFU, and my personal apologies for contributing to that situation. It looks like the editor involved has seen the effect his decline had, so perhaps some good can come from this. --j⚛e decker 16:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

PS: You've been to Svalbard too? I was there last year on an artist residency, my third visit. Amazing. --j⚛e decker 16:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope Chip wasn't totally discouraged. No, I haven't been to Svalbard, not in reality... but I spent a few months there in imagination, when I researched and composed this article, and the impression has lingered. That impression was of Svalbard and the surrounding icy wastes being not so much amazing as amazingly horrible, in 1897. :-) Probably different now, I realize. Warmer, for one thing. (Polar bears drowning. Oh, well.) Bishonen | talk 21:13, 15 July 2012 (UTC).

Chip seems to have replied resiliantly, and maybe I can give him some real constructive advice on AfD. Hope so, shame to burst someone's bubble. Svalbard: It's definitely "spare", but it has it's own beauty. And agreed about the sadness, but they're not all gone, at least yet: . --j⚛e decker 22:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Fine bear cubs. So you were on Fram with Nansen? Wow. :-) Bishonen | talk 23:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC).

Yep, MS Fram indeed, last year in Svalbard and the one before in Greenland, three and two weeks respectively, I only worked closely with the ever-changing expedition team there, but it was an exhausting, amazing, irreplaceable experience. --j⚛e decker 01:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the support

Hey Bish. Thanks for this. I've had my eye on community de-adminship for well over a year now and have been trying to decide the best way forward to do it. I know it's a long haul, but I'm not planning on going anywhere, and I think this a vital first step, which would make things very clear on how the community feels about the concept. I'm pretty convinced that opinion has changed on the "for life" concept, but how to fix that, I don't know yet! Worm(talk) 12:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Praiseworthy initiative, anyway. Though any proposal restricting any of it to admins or bureaucrats is death, IMO. I rather like the idea of a committee, though I need to think before I put anything on your subpage. How often is a case likely to come up? How about a random selection of users (a selection made by a script) in good standing to form an ad hoc committee for each separate case ? With a lot of thought ahead of time put into how these committees will function, so that all they have to do is start on the case, not witter about how to proceed. Fast is beautiful.

So, you can already see what's going to happen, can't you? Everybody will be airing their pet peeves and getting bogged down in details, just like me, and it'll split into a hundred rivulets and run into the sand. :-( Sorry, I'm just in a "nothing can ever be improved on Misplaced Pages" mood today. Anyway… you might want to spam Tony1. He put a lot of work into a similar matter in 2009, see thisthis, this, and this. Fat lot of thanks he got for it... He made some pretty obvious strategic mistakes, no doubt (too complicated, too much bureaucracy). But I still think the idea was excellent. Bishonen | talk 13:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC).

Consider Tony spammed. I'll have a good read of his admin review stuff, I'm sure I've looked over it before, but probably not in the light of spotting why the proposal failed. I do see your point regarding restrictions (cabal much?), and it matches my point of view (along with term limits being wholly unmanagable), but the idea of the "proof of concept" RfC is more of a fact finding exercise, to see where the community is currently sitting, how amenable they would be to community de-adminship in general, and regarding general concepts that are linked to it.

Don't worry about rushing into making actual comments, I won't put the RfC live before the weekend. I'm hoping to prettify it, and sort out the blurb, which is why I started spamming people who are more clever than me at setting up these sorts of things! Worm(talk) 13:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

oops .. sorry .. missed that "not live" part. Feel free to strike my thoughts. Chedzilla (talk) 22:47, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, it doesn't really do any harm to have some comments early. It's not an RfA ;) Worm(talk) 08:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Move

With all due respect, i don't think much of your move of WP:WADR. benzband (talk) 12:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

(How much respect is that?) I'm not crazy about it myself, but I searched for articles in Misplaced Pages space whose names began with "Don't", and seriously, they were all (that I saw) redirects to the "do not" form. It looks like there are wikignomes out there who make a career out of moving "don't" titles to "do not". I thought I might as well thwart them by doing it myself. But you know, I certainly won't revert you if you would like to move it back. That can be done unproblematically, since the redirect hasn't been edited. Bishonen | talk 13:35, 27 July 2012 (UTC).

I don't do not really mind care. It was just an opportunity to make use of the wicked phrase… :) can't cannot be arsed to move it back, either. My uttermost sincere regards, benzband (talk) 14:22, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I fixed (in red) your comment, Benzband, to conform to evolving Misplaced Pages standards. Cleaning up after Bishonen in these matters is time consuming enough, although she is evidently learning her place; please save me some time and take more care in your editing. "I hope this helps. Cheers". --Floquenstein's monster (talk) 15:27, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Even more evolution: <del>...</del> and <ins>...</ins> are preferred for semantic reasons. Darwinfish would have been delighted if he'd spotted that first. --T-RexxS (Rawr) 16:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for publicly pointing out my ignorance, I'll use them in the future. But, more importantly... DarwinFish is a dude?! I had no idea. I always thought "she" was kind of hot (*adjusts fantasy slightly to be more open minded*). --Floquenstein's monster (talk) 16:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh gee. Haven't I mentioned my gormless brother "Fish the silly-minnow-with-feet" like a million times? How dare you not follow my valuable editing and frequent biting of my weenie twin, monster? Too busy cybering with Bishzilla, are you? How does that contribute to building an encyclopedia, may I ask? You should be blocked the pair of you. darwinbish 17:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC).

@The monster: I'm so sorry you feel the need to stalk 'n' "correct" my edits. Methinks it ain't as if contractions did much harm, savvy?

@The fish: Welcome to Misplaced Pages, darwinbish. However, your conduct ledes me to believe that you are somewhat not here to build an encyclopedia. I shall now proceed to revert all your edits. 'Nuff said! benzband (talk) 08:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I laugh at your hollow threats. Next time you choose to "welcome" an established editor you may wish to use Template:Oldwelcome. Here are my first contributions, which I believe predate your own by some margin. And here is my currently running RFA, where you may see the considerable support my unstinting efforts to teach everybody a lesson have garnered among the experienced and the judicious. Possibly your own failure to appreciate my work reflects your inexperience, so I will naturally make allowances. darwinbish 13:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC).

Frankly though, how can you get anyone to believe that? As it happens, i must have at least twice you edit count (and if i don't, i soon will 'cuz there's half a dozen cool but pointless automated tools waiting handy).

{{wikibreak}} (flushes goldfish down toilet, BTW i shall bump off more if you carry on trying to get the last word){{return from wikibreak}}

So long and thanks for all the fish, Darwin. I'm out to get you. benzband (talk) 14:34, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

You rang? Where's that fish and chips? Bish and chips (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2012 (UTC).

ZOMG! I didn't know that fish ware socks!

*kills another fish* (i swear i hate doing this) *fries in batter* Wotcher, you're next! benzband (talk) 18:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Pfft - you needn't think that soft suit will save you. --T-RexxS (Rawr) 20:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Things are getting pretty ugly :( Time to unleash my pet megalodon. benzband (talk) 19:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Anyone for megalodon and chips? --T-RexxS (Rawr) 20:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at this:

BTW, who's in for some hallucinogenic fish 'n chips…? benzband (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Hehehehehe! What a BIG Little Ankle Biter! Excellent! Can reach to bite the little blue user in the image shrewdly on the ass without even jumping! Flattering portrait! :-) "Jaws" Darwinbish (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC).

Incidentally

... and before I forget, you had better run for ArbCom this year, or I'll be forced to bring out ... the comfy chair! There is no better cure for cold than bringing in some warmth. — Coren  21:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Some global warming, you mean. Well, to pick one objection out of a hatful of obvious ones: an arbcom campaign might get people looking at my edits and noticing how meagre and frivolous they are nowadays, with various excuses about health and so on. (It's a mystery how this terminally frail woman finds the time to run a conglomerate of socks) A little embarrassing. But if the darwinbish makes admin (HINT HINT, support here), she might well like to run. How about you? Are you considering a come-back? You really should. It's the unpaid job from hell. Bishonen | talk 18:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC).

I'll respond to that once I've managed to determine whether encouraging me to run again is (a) a vote of confidence in my ability to do the job or (b) an attempt to destroy what's left of my sanity.  :-) — Coren  20:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Good summary, just lose the "or". These things are always both. Bishonen | talk 21:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC).

ArbCom is obviously a huge time wasting task from hell which will be only be rewarded with perpetual aggravation. I sincerely hope both of you (Bishonen and Coren) are foolish enough to run. Nobody Ent 20:05, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and Ze

Thankee for the addendum, in that ani thread. If alan and yourself hadn't said anything, I would have been fearing the crickets and tumbleweeds! I'd been waiting for a chastisement or agreement or challenge or development... Conversation-killing is not the superpower I ordered... >.>

Unrelatedly: I just came back from an extended wikibreak, well-recharged, and resonant with multi-perspectivism. I see your note at the pagetop, and it sounds like you need some more Ze, too! So I'll repeat a recent comment from elsewhere:

Did you see/enjoy the zefrank video I linked? That man sometimes makes my face hurt from excess smiling. A purveyor of beautifully stated epiphanies. I strongly and warmly recommend 1 or 2 a day.

(*/me resists the urge to deluge you with futher examples and background and tangents*) ttfn -- Quiddity (talk) 00:49, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

That's lovely, but, err, me, really? You're thanking me for adding a support here? Well, I was referring to your comment, albeit in a rather silly/annoying way, with the old cross-out joke… I don't know how to put this… but are you sure you weren't meaning to thank someone else?

I thought your comment was very cool and thought-provoking, but yes, you did add it rather late, and when that happens on ANI, the tumbleweeds tend to move in. Presumably people start to feel all talked out at some point, and to resist having their thoughts provoked. Btw I've never had any personal experience of tangling with AM. But I've been around for long enough to have read 1,000,000,000 ANI threads about the frustrations it entails, and to have seen the way he invariably responds to such concerns. I do believe I never took part in one of those threads before… but I'm clearly getting less tolerant and generally nastier (as you saw above) — burnout is no doubt the proper term — and my own recent wikibreak has only left those very qualities invigorated, ha ha . (Hello there, Heimstern and Floquenbeam! I made myself think of you guys there, for some reason!) Bishonen | talk 10:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

Hey, I'll take what I can get! (Hell, I've emailed 4 people asking for advice, over the last couple weeks, trying to get some preliminary feedback on what I'd been drafting before posting it, and none of them have even replied with a "too busy, sorry" :/ ).

Plus, it was a legitimate excuse to both extol the virtues of ze (everyone needs more ze), and to say hello (I've seen your name and edits (and the memetic fallout) around for years!). So, yar! -- Quiddity (talk) 11:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Memetic fallout? You mean the socks? (Even some of them are burnt out.) I'm actually just reading Dawkins now — not The Selfish Gene, but The God Delusion — and he mentions a book called The Selfish Meme. Clever title… I may read that next. :-)

It can be disheartening to get no response, yes. I suppose we may blame the holidays or something. Compare this pathos-filled, yet ignored, edit-summary appeal for a little welcome back after an absence which obviously none of my so-called friends... oh, never mind! Never mind! Bishonen | talk 14:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

Yes, socks. Your socks are glorious.

But, Never mind the Bullocks Did you enjoy (or already know, or detest) Ze Frank?? .

As with the laboriously written (and over-delayed) post at ANI, I've got a point and I just might badger until a response is forthcoming! -- Quiddity (talk) 22:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Get over yourself, Bishzilla. No, I wasn't aware of Ze Frank, nor of Kirsten Johnson. Good stuff both! I guess Bishzilla was always a zefrank follower without knowing it. You know, very concise. See the massive amounts of exformation in her one-word RfC "Outside view" here, and how it's effortlessly unpacked by her supporters. Bishonen | talk 12:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC).

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	The Fatted Calf
	It really is sad to see someone of your stature beg for attention, but I'll give you a little love anyway. :-p Tex (talk) 14:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Was that so hard? Bishonen | talk 14:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

Not at all. Now I'm going to be bugging you all day! Tex (talk) 14:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Tex! Have you seen all the improvements I've made to my userpage? Looking way cool now! "Jaws" Darwinbish (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

Hi Little Ankle Bit...er, I mean, "Jaws"! Your page is beautiful! All those portraits of...yourself. How very....humble of you. I'm very impressed! Tex (talk) 15:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Great, aren't they, and don't I look BIG? See the darwinbish on the seamonster scale, with the little blue user for comparison? That db is nearly a meter long! Pretty scary, he he. "Jaws" Darwinbish (talk) 15:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

• OH MY! I..I ... <tries to stop stammering> ... I think - We're gonna need a bigger boat. — ChedZILLA 15:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The fatted goat

Tex got the last calf, so I had to make do with a goat. Make sure you share it out with the conglomerate before that reprobate T-RexxS spots it. Hugs, --RexxS (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

He he, I do remember the water trembling in the glasses. I might never have watched Jurassic Park or Alien for my own sake, but I watched them both with my son when he was nine or so. An enthralled nine-year-old co-watcher is the very thing for the scary movie experience. In case any of my TPWs are themselves nine years old, as so many wikipedians are, they might consider hiring out as scary-movie enhancers. Of course only unsophisticated nine-year-olds need apply, if there are still any such around. Bishonen | talk 16:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

Question for master...

Since family already control Land and Sea ... will there be a User:Bishosaur joining the family to control the skies? — ChedZILLA 15:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Just you watch it, i've got my flak guns ready! benzband (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so. It's not widely known, but Bishzilla herself can actually fly, with the help of her little friend User:Powerzilla. Bishonen | talk 15:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC).

Taste for adminnery...

... of course I don't think you would want to be one again. But I see no harm in using the tools one last time

Never forget this is a volunteer project. If it all becomes too much, you don't have to do anything at all. Egg Centric 21:24, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

AGK hasn't edited today. Fuck. What a pity. Bishonen | talk 21:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC).

No, I see he is there. Not usefully so, but then on the other hand Dennis has got his finger out. (A fruity old British expression which everybody may not understand. Anyway, he has restored talkpage access.) Bishonen | talk 21:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

	The Resilient Barnstar
	Misplaced Pages is better of with you than without you. I am glad you are still here. KillerChihuahua 03:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)