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Vandalism?

Tip of the hat to Eliscoming1234 for labeling my recent edit "vandalism"! ;-) Does anyone with decent knowledge of Kahanism and Chaim agree with this? Guy seems hostile and prejudiced. Doesn't write proper English either. KyZan (talk) 20:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)KyZan

Your edit: "Vancier generally delights in his political incorrectness, use of Hebrew curses, and creative name-calling." Now someone tell me that is not a major POV statement, and was put there for biased reasons.--Eliscoming1234 (talk) 17:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Eliscoming1234: You're very ignorant about this article. That edit contained all TRUE and USEFUL information. Name one person who says otherwise. And the article really suffers without it. That edit has not a hint of violation of NPOV. Don't you know what Misplaced Pages's policy is? Maybe you should study it before committing more vandalism of this and other similar entries. You're evidently a far leftist -- very hostile to Chaim Ben Pesach -- who makes it his business to vandalize all articles related to Kahanaism. Why hasn't Misplaced Pages banned you yet? KyZan (talk) 22:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC)KyZan

Eating habits?

Is it really necessary to list Vancier's diet and lifestyle tips here? It's weird and out of place. Max Chaplin (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

It is indeed unessary. I removed that info, and things like it.--Eliscoming1234 (talk) 18:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we need a separate article entitled "The Wisdom of Chaim ben Pesach" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.50.87 (talk) 02:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The picture is demonizing

Please change it to something normal, such as this one:

http://israblog.nana10.co.il/blogread.asp?blog=722063 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.6.111 (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

JDL Relationship

I think there should be more information on his relationship with the JDL, who calls him (and I quote), "(A) despicable convicted terrorist, racist, coward and inveterate liar(.)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayhoffer (talk • contribs) 19:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

"alleged racism"?

What the hell?

Who wrote "alleged racism"? Are his comments not racist to some people? Should we go through every Wiki article and insert some ounce of doubt on comments similar to this hateful Jewish supermacist?

Looking at this page it is clear that some JDL members or Zionists who share some of Vancier's beliefs are trying to clean up the guys bio. I'm removing 'alleged racism.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.61.83.125 (talk) 09:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Jewish terrorism

There has been an ongoing edit war concerning the applicability of the "Jewish terrorism" category for this article going back a couple of years. What is the basis for its being inapplicable? Can we develop a consensus on this point? Jojalozzo 16:23, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Article is libelous, completely inaccurate and blatantly biased

The article is libelous, completely inaccurate and blatantly biased:

1. Victor Vancier is not the name that Chaim Ben Pesach uses or is known by. To call Ben Pesach by this name is like having the article on Barack Obama refer to him as Barry Soetoro, which was his childhood name. Or referring to Mohammed Ali by his English name Cassius Clay. Or referring to Malcolm X by his earlier name Malcolm Little, or Louis Farrakhan by his original name Louis Wolcott. Misplaced Pages recognizes in all of these cases that public figures should be referred to by the names they are best known by. To refuse to apply this same rule to Ben Pesach demonstrates a biased double standard. It can be noted within the article that Victor Vancier is Ben Pesach's English name, but the article itself should be under the headline "Chaim Ben Pesach".
2. The article maliciously libels Ben Pesach, calling him a "virgin", claiming that he is not really Jewish and claiming that his mother is not Jewish. When I attempted to correct these flagrant libels, they were restored and I was told that I would not be allowed to correct them.
3. The article libelously asserts that Ben Pesach formed the Jewish Task Force (JTF)"since Irv Rubin started to dissociate the JDL from Vancier because his terrorist activities had harmed their reputation". In reality, Irv Rubin committed suicide while in prison awaiting trial on charges of seeking to bomb the office of a Congressman - so to claim that Rubin was trying to change JDL's "terrorist" reputation is absurd since it was Rubin himself who gave the JDL that reputation. Ben Pesach was convicted of damaging Soviet diplomatic property to demand freedom for 2 million Russian Jews, but no one was ever injured in any of these incidents. But Rubin sought to literally blow up a Congressman. When I sought to remove this libelous twisting of the facts, the libel was restored and I was told that I would not be allowed to correct it.
4. The article takes a handful of quotes out of context to distort their meaning and create an impression that Ben Pesach is insane. Many court cases have held that this tactic of selective quoting out of context can also constitute libelous defamation. A review of the thousands of videos that Ben Pesach and his followers have uploaded to YouTube and other sites reveals that these quotes do not accurately reflect what Ben Pesach and JTF espouse.
5. The article libelously claims that Ben Pesach is barred from entering Israel because of his "terrorist" activities. In reality, Ben Pesach is barred because of his Kahanist views. No proof is offered that Ben Pesach is barred because of "terrorist acts", as the article libelously contends.
6. The article libelously contends that Ben Pesach was involved in organizations "which has been outlawed in Israel and were proclaimed illegal terrorist organizations in 1994 and the groups subsequently officially disbanded". As you can see from this last quote, the article is also poorly written and grammatically incorrect. In reality, Ben Pesach was never a member of the two organizations that were outlawed in 1994 and no one in Israel has ever claimed that he was. So this again is flagrantly libelous.
7. The article deliberately omits the most important and relevant information on Ben Pesach: that he heads a movement with two forums that have thousands of members. There are over 5000 members on his English forum and 3500 members on his Hebrew forum. His Hebrew forum is comprised almost entirely of young Israeli Jews who reside in Israel, proving that Ben Pesach's organization is perfectly legal and fully functioning in the Jewish state.
8. The article deliberately omits the other most important fact about Ben Pesach: he has uploaded thousands of videos in both Hebrew and English with millions of views. The Israeli media has reported that many Israeli Jews watch Ben Pesach's videos. I attempted to introduce proof of this in the article that I wrote, but that was removed.
9. User:The Banner proved his bias when he restored the original article with the comment: "Your denial of terrorism has nothing to do with truth or fairness." In other words, The Banner wants the article to reflect his opinion rather than objectively reflecting the facts.
10. The new article that I wrote is completely accurate and truthful. It objectively presents Ben Pesach and his movement. After years of allowing the most vicious libel against Ben Pesach, the least that Misplaced Pages should do is restore the original article and not allow anti-Semites to again introduce libelous defamations.

Fairness and Truth (talk) 15:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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