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October 29

Port Loko Teacher's College

your discription of port loko teaching college must be 30 years old.it now has no electricity'running water,not much infrastructure — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.218.160.64 (talk) 00:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I made some minor enhancements, but we need to have reliable sources if we want to change the content. –– Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Chesapeake Conservancy entry

Hi there, I am trying to create an organizational page for the Chesapeake Conservancy, just like the ones for the Chesapeake Bay Foundation and Defenders of Wildlife. My first attempt was removed due to G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. Do you have suggestions of how I can create this page without it being perceived as a promotion and, thus, deleted? Thank you very much. Best, Twigatembo (talk) 00:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't use Chesapeake Bay Foundation as a model of excellence. The final paragraph is borderline acceptable, probably on the wrong side of acceptable.

In your case, sentences such as

"The Conservancy believes that connecting people to the Bay is vital to ensuring the long-term conservation of the Chesapeake Bay" is clearly promotional. It is often accepted to include a quote from the organization about the mission, but it should be a clear quote.

The article looks like it was written by someone who is promoting the organization, not an outside disinterested summary of the organization.

You need some references that are independent of the subject. Has it been discussed in newspapers or books?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not contain "organizational pages": it contains encyclopaedia articles, some of which are about organisations. I'm not just being picky: I suspect that you are having problems with the article because of the way you are thinking of it. This is not a directory, or a social networking site: it is a general encyclopaedia, and the articles should be appropriate in tone and content to that purpose. --ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

User Name / Pass Word

I have a user name but I can't log in because I have forgotten my password. When I ask for a new password and input my e-mail addresses the system tells me that there is no e-mail address connected to my user name. How do I get out of this mess. I am not even sure where I can read an answer if you have one. Thanks Fred — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.31.179.30 (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Fred! You'll read the answer right here. Unfortunately, the only way to recover a lost password is through the email system you have tried to use. If you didn't enable email on that account, then there is no way to recover your lost password. The only recourse at this point is to create a new account. Sorry! --Jayron32 04:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks -- too bad. A lesson or two learned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.31.179.30 (talk) 19:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

HSE Faculty of Sociology

Hello Help Desk!

Please, tell me what is wrong with this article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/HSE_Faculty_of_Sociology#HSE_Faculty_of_Sociology

The articles below were submitted. And I do not understand, what is the difference between them and the article HSE Faculty of Sociology?

http://en.wikipedia.org/HSE_Faculty_of_World_Economics_and_International_Affairs

http://en.wikipedia.org/MSU_Faculty_of_Political_Science

http://en.wikipedia.org/MSU_Faculty_of_Psychology

http://en.wikipedia.org/MSU_Faculty_of_Materials_Science

http://en.wikipedia.org/MSU_Faculty_of_Journalism

Thank you in advance!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by BashOrgRu (talk • contribs) 12:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The articles you list as "were submitted" were actually not submitted through AFC at all - if they did go through AFC there would be a template on the talk pages saying so. They are all really bad articles, none of them have any references at all. You should definitely not be using any of them as examples of what a proper WP article should look like. Roger (talk) 12:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Roger,

Thank you so much!

And tell me please, what is wrong with my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BashOrgRu (talk • contribs) 12:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Self Published Book

I have recently published a book entitled "The Whole Truth: A Fresh Look At Reality". It is based on scientific fact and consists of original ideas and comments on a number of topics including reality, time, our universe, space, entropy and life. One example is that I propose the idea that reality is not a single subject but is composed of at least two aspects -physical reality and subjective, or perceived, reality which are independent, although inter-related. When reality is considered from this perspective one sees many subjects, such as time, in a completely different way.
I believe that my ideas are interesting, and that some could be useful, or even valuable to others. I would like to participate in Misplaced Pages discussions on a number of subjects, but I do not want to violate Misplaced Pages's principles or offend anyone.
I would appreciate any suggestions you might have. Sui docuit (talk) 14:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)sui docuit

Hi Sui docuit. What you propose is unlikely to be included in Misplaced Pages, since we have a policy on fringe theories that would proscribe it. If the only source for your theory is your own self-published book, then it does not meet the basic requirements for inclusion, and an article would not be appropriate. Misplaced Pages isn't a forum for discussing new ideas, we are an encyclopedia that reports on subjects which have received significant mainstream coverage. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

(ec)Misplaced Pages does not publish Original research, citing your own work is considered bad form - other than that, there is no reason why you should not participate freely in improving the encyclopedia. You might want to take a look at WP:WikiProject Philosophy, as it seems to be the best match to your field of interest. Welcome to Misplaced Pages! (BTW I have corrected the indent on your post - the first post in a section should not be indented.) Roger (talk) 14:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

(I reformatted your comments to remove leading spaces; that creates format problems.) Sui docuit, you are quite welcome to participate in any talk page discussions on Misplaced Pages if the discussion pertains to improvement of an article (they should not be general discussion of a topic, and especially not for promotion of your book). I have place a standard welcome template on your talk page. For more information about how things work around here, click the blue links. Happy editing! Cresix (talk) 14:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

datasets on contributions to Misplaced Pages and/or sister websites

Hello,

I'm interested in doing a statistical analysis of editing behaviors for a university research project. Where can I find datasets that contain information on edits made to Misplaced Pages and its sister websites? Information on each user that makes an edit to a page would also be nice. I ask because I think it would be rather inconvenient to have to look at individual page histories and user contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.100.115 (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Database_download. Ruslik_Zero 18:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

WRONG COMPANY DIRECTION

There is currently a Misplaced Pages page named Lonmin.

When you search for the company Lonrho it automatically takes you to the Lonmin page as though Lonrho is now Lonmin.

This is completely wrong and actually Lonrho has no involvement with the company called Lonmin at all. The direction of search for Lonrho, points to Lonmin, this must be cancelled/ changed as the company Lonrho does not want to be related to the business actions of Lonmin and consequently appear associated with the company. This is completely mis informed information and can have a negative knock on effect for Lonrho.

Lonrho for some reason is in the url for Lonmin.

Please may you inform me of the change to this misdirection. The company Lonrho are looking to hold their own Misplaced Pages page.

Please conifrm receipt of this email and what action will be taken to rectify this.

Many thanks and best regards,

Miss C Bushell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonrho Plc (talk • contribs) 15:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The references in the article make it clear that Lonrho plc was renamed to Lonmin plc in 1999. Many readers, however, will remember the company as Lonrho, and it is quite reasonable that there should be a redirect from Lonrho to Lonmin. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:55, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I have replaced the redirect with a (very brief) stub at Lonrho. It was not a simple name change - the company actually split into two separate entities. Roger (talk) 15:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

This ref from the company registrar makes it a bit clearer. The company now known as Lonrho plc is what until 2007 was Lonrho Africa plc. The company that was previously Lonrho plc became Lonmin plc in 1999. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Good find! The organigram at http://www.lonrho.com/About_Lonrho/Strategy_~_Vision/Default.aspx?id=745 also helps. Roger (talk) 16:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

It may be open to question which is the primary topic in this case. I expect that most people who recognise the name Lonrho will be thinking of the old Tiny Rowlands company, and the history of that is covered in the Lonmin article, rather than the new Lonrho. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

AIUI Lonmin was split off from Lonrho, so that history should be moved to the Lonrho article. It seems to me that the company split was misinterpreted as a name change by whoever worked on the article here on WP so they simply moved Lonrho to Lonmin instead of creating a new separate article. Roger (talk) 18:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

When the split happened, the name Lonrho plc stayed with the part that subsequently became Lonmin. It was the part that for 9 years was known as Lonrho Africa plc that was eventually renamed to become the current Lonrho. The Lonrho plc share price before and after the demerger would imply that only about 20% of the company had been demerged into Lonrho Africa plc. It appears (from that & from the registrar's information referenced above) that what is now Lonrho was split off from what is now Lonmin, rather than vice versa. I wonder whether it might not be clearer to have 3 different articles, one for the old company before the 1998 split, one for what is now Lonmin, & one for what is now Lonrho. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:51, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

That seems like a sensible solution - the current Lonrho could possibly go under the name Lonrho Africa - looking at it's organigram the current "Lonrho plc" is just a "top structure" added above "Lonrho Africa Holdings" except for "Lonrho Transportation" which appears to simply be a shell that owns an airline. (Why do companies like this go out of their way to make stuff so complicated for us?) Roger (talk) 19:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A similar situation existed with Voestalpine and Voest-Alpine Industrieanlagenbau. My research suggested these were two different companies, and I imagine many people were confused because most people have never heard of either one, but if a person read something about one they would think it was about the other. The companies have been separate since one split off from the other in the 1950s, and now Siemens owns the company that split from the other.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Robert Lombardo, composer, needs to be added...

Robert Lombardo, composer, is referenced in other Misplaced Pages articles, but there are no articles about him or links to his website. ( http://robertlombardo.net ) He is an important American composer. He was a student of Arnold Franchetti Arnold_Franchetti for whom an article does exist and Robert Lombardo is listed as his student, but there is no article on Robert Lombardo. There should be an article about Robert Lombardo. I can't figure out how to enter him into Wikiepedia. I can't enter a link to his external website. PLEASE HELP. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Final4one (talk • contribs) 16:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The place you want is Misplaced Pages:Requested articles, or WP:1st if you plan to write it yourself. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleted page: Climate Disclosure Standards Board

Hello,

We updated the page referring to our organisation(Climate Disclosure Standards Board), which then was put on fast track delete, the reason being that google didn't show any results on us(it does, with our website on top). I tried contesting it but it was deleted without any response on my contest. All we wanted to do is put up a more up to date description of our organisation. We are a registered charity and have no intention of breaking any rules or guidelines set out by wikipedia. We would simply like to update the page referring to us. Please advise us on how to proceed. Best regards, Michael Zimonyi Project Officer, CDSB — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelZimonyi(CDSB) (talk • contribs) 18:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The reason the article was deleted appears in the deletion log as follows - "17:32, 29 October 2012 RHaworth (Talk | contribs) deleted page Climate Disclosure Standards Board (A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)" All article must prove that the subject is notable. This is primarily achieved by demonstrating that people not connected with the subject have decided that the subject is worthy of being discussed through the existence of articles in mainstream newspapers (excluding press releases and similar self-generated publicity produced by the subject itself) or other publications with a reputation for independence and quality. Roger (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I do not know if this organization is notable or not, it in fact may be notable. However, the article's style was not encyclopedic—the content was likely copied from the company's website. In addition, the article was too long—it contained lots of information not suitable for encyclopedia and contained no references except own website, facebook page and a blog. Ruslik_Zero 18:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello both,

Thank you for your input. The content was not copied from the website, we worked very hard to make it suitable for wikipedia. I apologise if the page didn't seem encyclopaedic, if you have any specific comments, please do share them with me. The reason there were no other links was simply because it was still being edited.

Our organisation has been referenced in many professional publications(we are not a public-facing charity), as well as more mainstream financial publications, like this article in the Financial Times. We are an active player in the field of sustainability and work with governments and organisations like the United Nations to shape policy and regulations.

I would be grateful if you could provide some specific feedback on what was wrong with our entry(thank you for the comments on the links, as I said before that was simply a matter of finishing the page). We genuinely didn't mean to break any guidelines and would simply like to add CDSB to[REDACTED] to share knowledge with the online community.

Best regards, Michael--MichaelZimonyi(CDSB) (talk) 11:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Before you attempt to re-create the article, please read WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI, and if your user account is being used by more than one person, please read WP:NOSHARE.--ukexpat (talk) 13:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Ukexpat,

Thank you for the links, I completely agree with the concepts described in those articles. I am employed by CDSB(as stated in my user name and signature above), but I am also an expert of this subject. Myself and my colleagues who have contributed to the entry have made sure to be objective and factual about CDSB and I'm currently going through the text again to make sure again that this is the case. The specific area we work in is very new and there are very few people who could write about our organisation at the level of expertise that we possess. My understanding of the conflict of interest article is that it is therefore acceptable for me to write about the organisation as long as I disclose this information(which I have in my username). Do you agree? My user name is only used by me, so there are no issues with that. I understand that all of your intentions are to keep[REDACTED] a source of facts rather than opinions. I hope that I have proven that I am able to guarantee that the information we would like to upload to[REDACTED] is factual. I am a scientist by education and I apply the same ethics to my current work as those in the lab. Best regards, Michael --MichaelZimonyi(CDSB) (talk) 15:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Correction to the Carnegie Library List in Washington

1. 10 - the Carnegie Library in Clarkston WA is no longer a counseling center for Clarkston High School. It is just part of Clarkston School District.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by KBrouse (talk • contribs) 18:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Presumably you are referring to List of Carnegie libraries in Washington? Do you have a reliable source for that change of use? This photo was relatively recent. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist now fully expanded always

Each entry in my watchlist lists all the changes to each page over the last day. Before today, it collapsed the sub-entries for each page and I could expand and collapse them via a small toggle in the left edge. Today, each entry is fully expanded and there is no toggle. How can I get the previous behavior back again? Jojalozzo 19:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

This has been fixed, magically. Perhaps it was a coding error. Jojalozzo 21:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

new wiki page / subject

Hi there. how do I create a New Wiki Page / Subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pheaonah (talk • contribs) 19:53, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd advise you to start by reading Misplaced Pages:Your first article. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Weird category name

There is something wrong with the article about Berlin. It's located in the category "Category:Misplaced Pages articles needing factual verification from May 2,012". Shouldn't that be "Misplaced Pages articles needing factual verification from May 2012", as Gregorian year numbers don't include thousand separators? What is causing the thousand separator to appear? JIP | Talk 20:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Odd. After some long perusing through the article's history, I found that the verification tag was originally added there on August 6th and the category that followed with it was messed up as well as it said August 2,012. Perhaps the issue is connected with the template or something tied to it? I haven't a clue either. SassyLilNugget (talk) 20:49, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I also don't have a definitive answer, but the categorization is principally caused by the cat-date parameter of {{Verify source}}. However, the problem seems come from somewhere else. I am not sure from where, right now. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 20:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Searching http://en.wikipedia.org via Google I found that cat-date is defined via the meta template Template:Fix. I don't know where to go from here though. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I moved the verification tag down one entry in the infobox and it is fine now, but I think the original issue still needs to be looked at.Naraht (talk) 21:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Some templates make numeric processing of certain parameters which are only intended for numbers. This limits what can be assigned to such a parameter. Template:Infobox German state says:

|population    = <!-- Population (no commas or other text) -->

|population=3507004{{Verify source|date=August 2012}} contained other text than the population. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:06, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Attempting to publish article

I have attempted three times to publish my article. I have added a number of third-party citations and partner links to verify our company profile, CEO's credibility and product legitimacy. Compared to other articles - Pardot - I believe my article should be published. Please review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tracy.carson (talk • contribs) 20:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I have added additional third party citations to my article including; online articles from third parties, government press releases, listings with our partners etc. In reviewing other company listings - please see Pardot and BSI Group - I feel my citations are inline with what has been offered by other authors. Please advise as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tracy.carson (talk • contribs) 20:28, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Apparently your conflict of interest has blinded you as to our requirements here. Press releases are useless, since they are basically a species of advertisement; "listings with partners" are like listings in a phone directory; and marketing bullshit like "delivers best-in-class web solutions" has no place ever in an encyclopedia article. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:19, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

images and references quotes

some images have text without references, basically a picture with the authors own interpretation, what can be done about images with incorrect interpretation and without reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Triphala108 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Treat it like any other unsourced assertion(s), with appropriate "cite needed" tags and the like. Discuss it on the talk page as needed. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Are you talking about the description of an image on its description page, as placed there by the uploader? Provided you have a reliable source to support your revised description, you can edit the description page. For an example of what I'm talking about, take a look at the description page for the image Alfred E. Neumann.jpg, where the uploader's original description has been discussed and corrected, with references. - Karenjc 21:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Jeremiah Jones Article

Hi, I was researching on Jeremiah Jones, a forgotten Black Canadian from World War 1. I found a lot of information but when I wanted to create a bibliography of where I found my info I couldn't because I don't know the name of the publisher or author of the article I was reading. Please Help me out. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.212.42 (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Click here and type in the name of the article you wish to cite, but you might want to read Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages first. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's CSS is just plain too hard to read from

I know this sounds like a stupid complaint, but sometimes this website is too wide to read.

Sometimes this isn't a big problem like in articles with a lot of images which help push lines

of text into a narrower column, but in many pages, like this talk page for instance,

the lines are so long that my eyes get confused just trying to find the right letters.

I have a widescreen monitor which makes this a huge problem. I feel like I am back

in kindergarten, where you had to use rulers or long index cards when reading books

so you could keep track of a line. Can someone point me to some site-column shrinking

CSS that I can use on the user-custom CSS page?

Kelvinsong (talk) 21:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

One possible workaround would be to use the browser 'zoom' buttons. Not sure of your browser, but Firefox has option for toobar buttons (not default). The downside is that in addition to shorter lines, you get bigger text -- which may or may not be a disadvantage. ~Just a suggestion ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 22:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm so un-savvy I don't even know what "CSS" means, but what I do in such cases (never at WP that I can remember) is hit the resize button in the upper right-hand corner of my screen, between the minimize and x-out buttons. Then I adjust the page size to my preference by dragging the margins in or out, up or down. Hope that helps. Yopienso (talk) 22:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

'CSS' = Cascading Style Sheet', which basically tells a page how it should look - usually if a user changes it, it is reset by the page and/or site when re-started; but there might be some sort of override? ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Users who create an account have access to a custom CSS stylesheet, which can be accessed at Special:MyPage/common.css. Here they can add any sort of custom configuration they want, which will automatically be applied to all pages (just for them). Theopolisme _Boo! 23:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I am aware of the User-custom CSS, I've even fiddled around with it, and managed to get the readable columns I was looking for, albeit with floating "Read|Edit|View History|*" off to the side. What I'm wondering is if anyone has managed to create a working narrow[REDACTED] CSS I can use, or if there are other workarounds that don't involve browser zoom (giant text and blurry pictures), or window scaling (affects entire browser and you see desktop icons in the background). Kelvinsong (talk) 00:32, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I have a widescreen monitor too. I solve the problem by making my browser window only half as wide as the maximum. —Tamfang (talk) 02:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

And now one-third. —Tamfang (talk) 03:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Citation

My problem is: I am citing information from a web source. The web source has a 'citation' tab. That citation tab specifies a formatted citation. That citation isn't very helpful for someone simply interested in verifying, or for wishing to find more related information.
My question is: should I just stick with the citation as specified, use URL citation based on " Although referring the URL might be enough in some cases..." , or add a 2nd citation (both), or ... (?)

• Web source of information: AnAge entry for Petaurus breviceps Classification (HAGRID: 02980)
• 'Citation' tab link: Disclaimers, Credits, and Copyright
• "...cite HAGR using: " de Magalhaes, J. P., Budovsky, A., Lehmann, G., Costa, J., Li, Y., Fraifeld, V., Church, G. M. (2009) "The Human Ageing Genomic Resources: online databases and tools for biogerontologists." Aging Cell 8(1):65-72.
  

~Thanks for your attention, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 22:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Eric! Misplaced Pages actually has several templates for citations—one of the generic ones is {{cite web}} (click to learn how to use). You can also use {{cite book}}, or one of the many others—see WP:Referencing for beginners. Thanks, Theopolisme _Boo! 23:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Better yet, see WP:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. Theopolisme _Boo! 23:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Been there, done that - but this situation seems like a judgement call to me. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 23:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A citation template is always better — more info to the reader, is it not? Theopolisme _Boo! 23:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

October 30

word satan

Satan is a fiction character named in many different ways such as Lucifer, Diablo, Snake, Devil and many more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernysalaz (talk • contribs) 00:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing that. Do you have a question about using Misplaced Pages we can answer for you? --Jayron32 01:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Celeda

Hi Misplaced Pages This is CELEDA my real name is Victoria Sharpe please correct this error in my name. My real name is not Jose Benard. Thank you Celeda AKA Victoria Sharpe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C539:950:994:205E:5680:977D (talk) 01:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Celeda (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

I've reverted the vandalism to the article about you. - Purplewowies (talk) 01:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Just a suggestion: perhaps a "For the singer, actual name Victoria Sharpe, see: Celeda" on the Dame Victoria Madeleine Sharp page: Victoria Sharp and visa/versa. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 02:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC) - Not to mention Victoria Hamilton, born Victoria Sharp ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 02:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Mystery category

What the heck is Category:Misplaced Pages image maps, and why does Ben Kilpatrick have it? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Image maps are images which have multiple links in it mapped to the various people or objects in the image. The photograph in Ben Kilpatrick below the infobox is a imagemap. --Anbu121 (talk me) 08:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Uploading of newspaper articles

Hi all,

I have been working on the Boss School of Music article, and I hope it looks fine. For the same I have copies of some old newspaper articles regarding the subject, and I since I could not find these on the internet, I wanted to know if I could upload them somewhere, and then cite them in the article. These articles were published by some local newspapers and therefore have not been uploaded by the publishing house.

Thanks Nikhil D. Gupta (talk) 08:29, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to upload them in order to cite them. Just cite them giving the publication name, publisher name, the name of the author(s) of the piece, title of the piece, page number in the newspaper, and date. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 08:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

You must not upload them - just cite them. If you upload them you will be violating copyright and all links you add on WP to such uploads will have to be removed. Template:Cite news provides a convenient way to cite newspaper articles. Roger (talk) 08:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Can I upload them to Scribd so they can be viewed and verified by other[REDACTED] users? Currently about half of the article is written based on citations from such newspaper articles. -- Nikhil D. Gupta (talk) 13:09, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

No, because they would be copyright violations on Scribd, and we don't link to copyright violations (and Scribd is notoriously never a reliable source, since anybody can upload anything to it, including photoshopped "copies" and so forth). You must not upload them - just cite them. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:16, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Evalueserve logo update

Hi team, Evalueserve needs to replace its old logo on its Misplaced Pages page with its new logo version. I am part of Evalueserve's Marcom team and I've tried to upload it, but haven't succeeded as my account is not confirmed. Could you please confirm my Misplaced Pages account so that I can proceed with the logo replacement or advice me how this can be done?

Many thanks for your help, Anastasia Moga ________________________________________ Senior Executive, Marketing Communications Evalueserve

<promotional blurb removed>.Anastasia moga (talk) 09:25, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I removed the promotional blurb that you posted here. Please do not post promotional content in Misplaced Pages. If you are even thinking of editing the Evalueserve article, please read WP:COI. —teb728 t c 10:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Is this the logo that you want to change to? If so, someone could change it for you. —teb728 t c 10:15, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, yes this is the new logo we would need to have on our Misplaced Pages page. Please let us know if we need to connect with someone within your admin team or you will pass the request yourself to someone to chage our logo. Anastasia moga (talk) 12:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

editing on what grounds?

Hi, I'm new here, and I just deleted a few lines off Magnetoresistive_random-access_memory that related it to an unrelated device, the Memristor. It was at the top as if it was an important statement, but seems there is a problem with the definition of a memristor, and Stan Williams of HP seems to be alone in making the controversial statement about MRAMs being memristors. It didn't seem right for it to be in the MRAMs page as memristors is only remotely related to MRAMs, and the association was more confusing than insightful, but I'm not sure on what grounds I should make my edit on, apart from my gut feeling... and something about WP:BOLD I came across :) L02T (talk) 09:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi L02T. It's fine to make such edits - if you have a good reason to believe that the information is incorrect, and if it isn't reliably sourced, then you're well within your rights to remove it. If other editors disagree, they can always put the information back in, and you can then have a conversation on the article's talkpage about whether or not it should be included. Making a bold edit, having it reverted, and then discussing the issue is a common and fundamental editing process on Misplaced Pages. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info :) L02T (talk) 12:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The Bathroom Manufacturers Association

Hello,

I looked up The Bathroom Manufacturers Association on Misplaced Pages.

There is a page there but there is a problem with the title – it should just be ‘The Bathroom Manufacturers Association’. But it has ‘User:DinosaursLoveExistence’ infront of the title. Is it possible to get rid of this so the title is clear?

Many Thanks,

Laura

Link to page:User:DinosaursLoveExistence/Bathroom Manufacturers Association — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.57.254.166 (talk) 10:03, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The name indicates that the page does not indicate any importance or significance for the organization; so someone moved it from an article to a user draft as an alternative to totally deleting it. But since nobody is working on making it an article, perhaps it should be deleted after all. —teb728 t c 10:25, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Or improved - the main problem is the complete lack of sources. I have notified the user about this conversation. Roger (talk) 10:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

women[REDACTED] editors

We can ? Really? With a retro picture of a woman who looks like a construction worker flexing a steroid-filled bicep? I am so very sorry to say that this is the first time I have been annoyed with Misplaced Pages. The dubious relatability of the wonderful picture aside, why now? Why women? Why Bombay? If the ratio of women to men editors is not something that is suitable, correct, or representative of Misplaced Pages’s principles, surely there are other ways to address and perhaps correct this issue than come up with this idea. I can’t help but feel this is a patronizing and ill-informed choice on your part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.248.176.193 (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

It does sound patronising – but what article are you referring to? Maproom (talk) 10:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The image referred to is presumably the famous We Can Do It! poster, but I'm unable to work out where the editor's referring to seeing it. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I would venture that it is related to the use of the picture on this project banner:

Feminism Unassessed

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Feminism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Feminism on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FeminismWikipedia:WikiProject FeminismTemplate:WikiProject FeminismFeminism ??? This article has not yet received a rating on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

But it's only a thought. Britmax (talk) 10:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Feminism's choice of a Rosie the Riveter image for their banner has nothing to do with the rest of Misplaced Pages - please discuss it on their talk page. Roger (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I did some searching and it has to be about Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Workshop for Women in Mumbai. The image is from a famous 1943 poster saying "We Can Do It". The workshop modified it to "We Can ", where "" looks like the section edit links in Misplaced Pages. As We Can Do It! says, the image has been used a lot since the 1980's, but it's mainly iconic in USA and I guess most Indians will not recognize it. It was added to the workshop box in by a volunteer editor from Mumbai. The use of the image can be discussed at Misplaced Pages talk:Misplaced Pages Workshop for Women in Mumbai. Everybody can arrange meetups. This one happens to be for women in Mumbai, decided by the volunteer organizers. Few meetups are for women specifically. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Burn Std.

That BBUNL CMD has said--Bharat Bhari Udyog Nigam Ltd (BBUNL) would be dismantled after second round of disinvestment of its four wholly-owned subsidiaries - Burn Standard, Jessop, Braithwaite and Bharat Wagon Engineering Co, I being an ex Burn Standard employee would request you to please intimate me whether Burn Std. has already been dismantled.

I would also like to know whether and when I( an ex Burn Std Ltd employee of RANIGANJ ) like many other Burn Std ex employees will be getting paid the unpaid part of salary fallen due to Salary revision but held up for the BBUNL's some legal complications.

I trust you would be kind to respond. Thanks.

Tarak Nath Basu (basutn)

2012 Oct 30Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basutn (talk • contribs) 11:06, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, this is Misplaced Pages, the free encylopedia that anyone can edit. We are not associated with Burn Standard Company and I would recommend that you contact the Burn Std. company directly in order to find information regarding the unpaid portion of your salary. SassyLilNugget (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Company name spelling needs correction

Hi,

I am writing regarding the correction of the name of our company, Mindtree Ltd. We recently rebranded our company and wanted to ensure the information is correctly represented on Misplaced Pages. Our previous name had a capital 'T' in the name as MindTree Ltd. We have changed that to Mindtree Ltd.

I want to request you to make the necessary corrections or help me make the changes on the page - MindTree

Kind regards, Arvind

Hello, I tried doing it myself but I couldn't because there is a redirect coming from the Mindtree spelling with more than an one line history so an admin will have to make the move. Such a move can be requested at WP:RM/TR. SassyLilNugget (talk) 12:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Arvind. I tried to move the page MindTree to Mindtree; but I find that the latter already exists as a redirect to MindTree. I think this needs administrator intervention to move MindTree to Mindtree over the redirection. By the way, on talk and project pages, please sign your postings with four tildes: ~~~~. --ColinFine (talk) 12:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

--->WP:Requested moves.--ukexpat (talk) 14:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

additions deleted

hi, yesterday i added 2 or 3 external links to some pages, e.g. one a link to a free video interview with silvia federici on her page and also one on the riots in greece in 2011. While they appeared on the pages at the time, now they are not there. why is this? i thought they were good links and the films are free to access. please advise. thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.168.178 (talk) 14:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Those links, and others that you added at other pages, were reverted by Hu12 without edit comments. I'd suggest that you leave a note on the talk pages of those articles asking that question and in the meantime read the external links policy and, perhaps (based only on the fact that Hu12 has a big anti-spam banner on his talk page), the spam policy. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 15:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Supplement: See the note that Hu12 left on your prior-IP talk page here. — TransporterMan (TALK) 15:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Online sources only?

Hi! I am interested in bringing articles to Misplaced Pages from printed resources that might be inaccessible or too expensive to many people wishing to research a certain topic or subject on line using this service ~ and cannot find a lot online using Google. My first article was approved and accepted for inclusion, however, one reviewer keeps going in and removing the primary source even though I provide all the correct template information for anyone wishing to research the facts can find it in this book: i.e. title | publisher | author | editor | year | page | etc. Are we only allowed to cite online sources? My article has been littered with "citations needed" after nearly every sentence. How can I possibly back-up my content if sources that prove them are removed? what are the rules for citing books? newspaper articles? magazines? ... I have read all that Misplaced Pages says about this practice and can find nothing that violates what I had originally included. Any suggestions? It's funny, every reviewer has a different interpretation about this matter, but I'm hoping that this forum can clear this up enough for me to go back in and clean-up what one particular reviewer has done. Many of the statements that keep getting re-written are actually untrue and non factual. i.e. the reviewer claims that a Broadway producer followed a musical with a book ... which is a misleading statement with no citation to prove this. The reviewer clearly has not seen or read this book since this is not true in what it infers. Anyway, I'm getting off track ~ any help in this matter would clear up a lot. Thanks so much in advance! Impromp2Music (talk) 14:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

You are absolutely allowed to use offline sources for verification and in support of claims to notability. Per WP:SOURCEACCESS and WP:OFFLINE, there is no requirement that sources be available online - it's convenient, but not necessary. You can cite newspapers and magazines using variants of the {{cite}} template; choose the appropriate one from this list. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. This is exactly what I have done, but the reviewer keeps removing it (them). Does anyone else have input on this matter? I'd like to get a consensus. Am I missing someone crucial that would back the reviewer's removal? Impromp2Music (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I haven't written it yet, but I'll have a few words to say at your user talk page. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 15:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate it. I contacted Misplaced Pages and they invested the situation saying that certain reviewers that spend a considerable amount of time editing tend to lose sight of communal efforts and begin to self-appoint themselves to be all knowing in their contributions almost to the point of it becoming personal. They have directed me to two places for filing a dispute. At this point I'm almost ready to just delete the article. It's just not worth it. Impromp2Music (talk) 16:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Help expanding an article

Is there a way I can solicit help in expanding and improving Winterbourne View hospital abuse? Ankh.Morpork 15:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

You can ask for help at the talk page of a WikiProject whose scope covers that article (currently none are listed at the talk page and I don't know which would be most appropriate). It is currently categorized as being covered by Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Wikify, but that project's focus isn't content creation and so doesn't seem to be what you want. If no appropriate WikiProject can be identified, you can also nominate it at WP:TAFI. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure where to find an appropriate project page, but this might be somewhere to start: Category:WikiProjects ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 16:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Photos of State Congressmen

I know that it's okay to upload a photo of a U.S. Senator or Representative from the Congress website because they are in the public domain. What about State Senators and Representatives? Particularly Ohio. The Ohio Senate website, for example, has an official photo of every member the same way the U.S. Senate does. Would this be considered to be in the public domain? http://www.ohiosenate.gov/directory.html I have not seen any link telling me so. I've uploaded images on Misplaced Pages before, but I try to avoid doing so because I'm not too much familiar with licensing, and the policies seem to be very strict. But I'm trying to start adding images to articles that don't have one, mostly lawmakers. --Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 15:27, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Unless there is an explicit statement saying the photos are published under an acceptable license or are in the public domain, we should treat them as non-free content. In that case it means, none of those images can be used at Misplaced Pages per WP:NFC#UUI#1. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I believe they would be appropriate if they were taken for example by an employee of the US government as part of that persons official duties (I don't know right know where the guideline for that is), but I guess we would need a proof of that. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:PD#U.S. government works is the guideline I mean. The problem is, it is hard to determine whether those photos qualify as U.S. government works or not. I don't think that the mere presence of a photo on The Ohio Senate website constitutes a proof that the photo is a U.S. Government work. For example, the photo might have been explicitly licensed for that use and not be under a license that Misplaced Pages considers free. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:58, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

At best, those pictures might have been taken by an employee of the Ohio Senate, in which case it would fall under whatever copyright position the State of Ohio takes (most U.S. states do NOT waive copyright, unlike the Federal government). It is possible that many or all of them were taken by a professional photographer, who retains her or his copyright unless it has been sold to some other person. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:30, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

adding information to sculpture parks list

I just added information about the Mississippi River Sculpture Park, Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin to the page listing sculpture parks. My information is correct at the top of the page, but is not added to the list of sculpture parks in Wisconsin. What should I do?16:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)16:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxybird (talk • contribs)

What you probably don't know since you are new here is that you could have undone your own edits and copied and pasted your work into the right section. Coming here to ask your question is a great start. It's sometimes a bit complex to explain with precision how to undo thing. It's usually a matter of viewing the History tab, editing the version before the one where you made the error, and saving that. Put in the edit summary that you have reverted yourself. Then start again.

It happens that a couple of us have made the correction already. One corrected the erroneous addition, and I then put your text in Wisconsin, but pruned it a little. If you prefer the fuller version do feel perfectly at liberty to improve the piece. Neither I nor you are correct, but we all reach consensus by our edits and we become better than any individual can be. Or that is the theory! Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Nonsense date

Go here, scroll down to the 1900-1915 section, and look at the fifth person's date of death. What is that supposed to mean?? NealCruco (talk) 17:19, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Good catch. The problem comes with trying to put unknown info into the "death date and age" template. From the info that I can find the birth year is only speculation and the month and day for both birth and death are unknown so I have removed the template and just left the year of death. If anyone can find WP:RSs for the missing info plz feel free to add it to the article for Léandre and update the table. I would add one more thing - the article mentions a little girl who also survived (Havivra Da Ifrile) of whom nothing else seems to be known. It is quite possible that she outlived Léandre and consideration might be given to removing his name from the table as WP:SPECULATION. I will leave that for other editors to decide. MarnetteD | Talk 17:58, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Using Ctrl-F, I found 7 more nonsense dates. I'm fixing them though. NealCruco (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

It seems like the template itself needs attention. I'm guessing that "0" dates are supposed to represent "unknown". Generally speaking "0=unkown" is preferable to leaving a blank parameter; "unknown" is distinct from "missing", which a blank parameter implies. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

This article seems to be chock full of problems, because the Death date and age template is only suitable for Gregorian dates, not Julian dates. When used for Julian dates it emits false metadata. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Asbury Park riot date error

Asbury Park, New Jersey

good article except the race riots were started on June 4, 1970; not July 4 as the article says.18:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)18:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.158.127 (talk)

The inline reference and all other sources I found say July 4. Do you have a reliable source for June 4? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Template causing extra brackets to appear

The {{Napoleonic Wars}} template seems to be causing two brackets of this type }} to appear at the top of the articles it is used in. Any template-savvy editors who can spot the error in the template? --Saddhiyama (talk) 19:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't {{Napoleonic Wars}} but {{Campaignbox Napoleonic Wars}}; a recent edit included an extra pair of brackets. I've removed them and I think it's good now — Frankie (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I see. Thanks. --Saddhiyama (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2012 (

PcCareSupport article removed

Dear Misplaced Pages,

We have recently had trouble providing information about our business. We have attempted to comply with your article standards, and felt we complied with the terms of not self promoting. Unfortunately Misplaced Pages editors disagreed with us on the terms of self promotion and on notability guidelines.

We are confused as you have listed a competitor http://en.wikipedia.org/IYogi whom's submission seems to be more self promoting than ours ever attempted at being. Particularly the blatant promotion found regarding "Digital Home Plan", and mentioning of plan costs. This is not a revolutionary, unique, or provident idea.

As well the notability guidelines are confusing as well, it begs to argue what is notable. We are a successful business,service, and community contributor whom has been considered noteworthy by various Utah and national media and prestigious venture capital competitions, which we find it disconcerting that Misplaced Pages in it's efforts to provide fair and balanced access to information would consider our company un-noteworthy. Members of our community consider us so.

Our company profile was simply details about our company and recent noteworthy events, which appears below our signature. If you could please indicate the appropriate guidelines we have been in obstruction of, as we might take the steps to rectify and provide you at Misplaced Pages the highest quality information that we have come to know Misplaced Pages by. We are very appreciative of your efforts at Misplaced Pages, and for your consideration in this matter. We eagerly await your response.

Sincerely,

The PcCareSupport Marketing team. <lengthy and promotional article draft redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.121.221 (talk) 19:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

This is not the right place for a copy of your article. But I understand your confusion. I have deleted two sections of the iYogi article, to make it look slightly less like an advertisement. I will not be surprised if another editor decides to delete the whole iYogi article. Maproom (talk) 20:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Remember, however, that "Hey look at this other crummy article!" is not an argument that we should also have an article about you (although it may draw our attention to another article that should be deleted or improved). --Orange Mike | Talk 13:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into this Orange Mike, and I appreciate the quick response.

I apologize for placing the copy of our article here, I was just not sure where else to provide it so that we may receive feedback on what guidelines we did not meet, so that we may take steps to resolve this situation. I understand what you mean by including us by default of another article like ours. Though I did mention and comment upon what is noteworthy standards. As I am sure you read our article, it is not self promotion, but a objectionable view of a company that has become noteworthy in national and Utah medias.

Not to beat a dead horse, I query, what is noteworthy in Wikipedias moderators eyes, what constitutes self promotion, and how may we seek inclusion with an article about a business in Misplaced Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.121.221 (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

A number of links which you ought to read: guidance on your 1st article, notability guidelines for companies, and conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:38, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Dear David Biddulph and Orange Mike,

We are very regretful for your prompt responses, and the length of work you do for Misplaced Pages itself as editors and moderators. We understand the terms of conflict of interest, and the concepts covered in writing an article for wikipedia. Short of the issues of a obvious conflict of interest and the fact that we ourselves will not submit nor encourage the submission of information about our company, we are interested in the ideas of notability, the terms which the article was removed.

In your notability guidelines http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:CORP ... we believe we are well within notability guidelines. The references were from third party sources that were both regional and national. They were effectively press that we did not seek out. These are quality and prestigious sources that sought out our company and effectively promoted the quality of our company, employees, and services.

We are just confused as to why an article that did meet the guidelines in which it was rejected by would have been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.7.121.221 (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Contribution to Hurricane Wilma article

Feel free to link my website www.hurricanewilmacancun.com to your data about Hurricane Wilma and reference any of the number of images on the site.

Thank You, John Spina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.252.43.220 (talk) 20:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Confirmation Of Account

Hello, I am writing this for a confirmation on my account so I could start to upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majid Mohammed (talk • contribs) 20:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Until your account is autoconfirmed (which requires you to have been registered for four days and have ten edits) you cannot upload. Prior to that time, however, you may upload by making a request at Misplaced Pages:Files for upload. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

If you're making a request for the confirmed user right, you need to ask at WP:RFP/C. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

And I forgot to say that you can upload free images to Wikimedia Commons with your Misplaced Pages username and password without being autoconfirmed. — TransporterMan (TALK) 21:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Moving a discussion

A user started a content dispute/debate on my User talk with another user that has nothing to do with me and I've asked him User:Steven Zhang to move the discussion, but he has refused. I would like to move the dispute to his User talk, and would like to know if there is a special way to do it properly (or, do I just cut/paste, including sigs & timestamps?). Thank u for instructions. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 23:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

This issue's been resolved, but I'd still like to learn the proper way to move a discussion. Thx. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

You are allowed to delete content from your user talk page. In your shoes I might have deleted the other user's posts after his second post. Or maybe even deleting it after the first, leaving your reply on his talk page. —teb728 t c 09:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

How to gain exclusive editorial control over an article.

Can the author of new novel, published by a major publishing company, create a first-time reference page on that novel and gain exclusive control over the contents of that wiki page? Can the author of the novel write the basic plot wiki article and lock it from changes by everyone but wiki administrators? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.98.149 (talk) 23:45, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

No, and no. This is an encyclopaedia, not a platform for free publicity. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:49, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Is there a template or something for Misplaced Pages is not a free web-hosting site. ;) ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:NOTWEBHOST RudolfRed (talk) 01:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Articles can be protected from editing by non-administrators, but this sure as heck ain't an instance where that would happen. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, that's not quite the question posed. In fact it is quite simple and proper for such an author to do so. Just not on Misplaced Pages. There are wp:OTHERWIKIS out there. LeadSongDog come howl! 05:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but I figured I'd tell them it was technically possible, even though policy is for good reason against it. - Purplewowies (talk) 06:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

But what they are asking is not technically possible. —teb728 t c 09:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It is technically possible to fully protect an article, but it wouldn't be used for that purpose, and if the author themselves wanted to edit it after full protection, they would need to be an administrator. It's really neither here nor there because none of this would ever happen. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It should be noted that this same IP address added a blurb advertising a book to the article Robert Blake (actor). I have removed it and given them a level-3 advert warning template. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)‎

October 31

Collapsible list

It seems that Collapsible list doesn't work if I add a link in the list that includes "=". Are there anyways to fix it?

--Lê _{talk-contributions} 01:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, use {{urlencode}}, e.g.

LeadSongDog come howl! 05:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Then I must hide that link from displaying?--Lê _{talk-contributions} 06:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

A different way is to use the "1=item one|2=item two" format shown at Template:Collapsible list/doc#Syntax. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, so simple. Thanks :)--Lê _{talk-contributions} 09:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Facebook groups for gay Mormons

Greetings,

I am writing to you to ask if Misplaced Pages will consider special circumstances and allow what would probably not generally merit inclusion per the normal guidelines to be submitted into Misplaced Pages.

I represent several pro-gay Mormon forums on Facebook. We are the parties that coordinated the nation-wide Mormons for Marriage Equality showings at various Gay Pride Parades this summer and fall. We did this because we, active Mormons, are attempting to come to the rescue of our own gay children that are intimidated and silenced into great desperation and often suicide. I believe our gay-suicide rates are higher than any other group in the country, especially when so many go entirely unreported (the family knew that the deceased took his/her life because of severe depression likely caused by rejection and intimidation that they themselves were practicing and so do not reveal to anyone the nature of the depression as the death is reviewed and made public). Such people are also not mourned; no one wants to encourage sympathy for gay people in our community which wants to appear very righteous. Our group is asking new questions; the answers imply that those suicide deaths tragic, preventable, and WRONG. We ask questions that are often considered "heretical" in Mormon-land: "What is God's Plan of Happiness for His LGBT children?" By asking these questions we are essentially rejecting much of Mormon doctrine on this topic as incomplete and needing additional revelation. This is a stunning critique for a Mormon to make of the leadership, and several of us have been in or are barely avoiding church "court" which can excommunicate us from the faith of our fathers.

Part of our problem is that many of the suffering gay people we are trying to reach finally DO reach out for help, but they only find the Mormon church's DECOY -- it is called Mormons Building Bridges --- and it seeks to increase sympathy and understanding but it actively deletes posts by gay children and adults who are expressing hurt, bewilderment, or pain, and especially deletes or bans people who ask for fair treatment. That forum does not want any of the regular, traditional Mormons who visit to understand the depth of the pain that current policies are causing the gay children. Gay folks are leaving that forum in more pain than they started, confused that the Mormons who seemed so inclusive and kind in the summer no longer want to talk about real issues (it's because they are talking to decoys). Because so many gay Mormon kids are on the edge already, this is really dangerous. The Mormon Church has us out-maneuvered. They have significantly longer reach and resources.

We are finding ourselves cut off from those we would like to serve. By necessity the facebook groups are locked and invisible to the general facebook community. Still, by word of mouth we are able to help many children and young adults come to peace with themselves as God made them. We often arrange for "advocates" as the child may come out, so that the child is not thrown out of the home or if rejected, has somewhere to go.

So, even though our group would likely not usually meet your standards to create a new entry, we are asking for special allowance to do so. In my opinion, the Mormons Building Bridges group would not be able to prevail upon you to open a similar entry for themselves *because* they are merely a forum supporting the Mormon Church's current views.

We will only talk about our group. We would avoid controversy as much as we can.

We are trying to save lives, by helping the desperate to find those who want to love them as is. That's us.

Sincerely,

Mungagungadin1971 (talk) 07:09, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

We cannot allow any exceptions to the notability rules - if we allow yours it would create a precedent which would force us to allow all "noble causes". Please see WP:NOBLE. Sorry. Roger (talk) 07:33, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

At Talk:Homosexuality and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints you could suggest a mention at Homosexuality and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Support organizations. You have a conflict of interest so you shouldn't add it to the article yourself. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Credit

My name is Peter Neil and I directed two films that are on here. One is titled "Im Calling Frank' and the other is 'Il Barbiere'. Ho can I attach my name and short bio to these films? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.46.190 (talk) 07:41, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Please post the links to the articles concerned - I can't find anything under the title's you've mentioned. Articles about films would normally mention the director but for the director to be notable as an individual requires that there be sufficient good quality published source material available that discusses you in sufficient detail. The rules covering biographies of living people are particularly strict. Roger (talk) 07:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Im_calling_frank and ... ? ~E74.60.29.141 (talk) 11:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

IMDb would help qualify for "notability", wouldn't it? I'm Calling Frank on IMDb.

Director Peter G. Neil on IMDb 74.60.29.141 (talk) 11:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

No, IMDB is a user-created site and so, like Misplaced Pages, it is not a reliable source. See WP:IMDB.--ukexpat (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not only that IMDB is not reliable but also that anyone who is even remotely connected to a film has an IMDB entry. I've worked on a couple small films and have an IMDB entry. Though I am nowhere near notable enough for inclusion here. Dismas| 15:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Unique articles/article talk pages edited

Looking at the Edit Counter, I can see how many unique pages an editor has contributed to. I am only interested in article/article talk pages. Is there a way I can find out how many unique article/article talk pages an editor has contributed to? Dlv999 (talk) 12:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

There are many different edit counters at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject edit counters but I don't know their features. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixing Incorrect Redirects

Generally I fix something in Misplaced Pages when I'm looking for help and Misplaced Pages doesn't have the answer. (Though sometimes I refer to my Encyclopedia Britannica Yearbook collection to provide additional references. But I digress (see Max Shulman)).

My problem today is with "Data normalization" which is a redirection page to Database Normalization. This is in error. Database Normalization is a special case of Data Normalization. "Normalization" is actually canonization (or canonicalization if you prefer), the process of reducing something to its canonical form.

I encountered this because I am designing a computer based training class on COBOL secure defensive programming and the issue is "Input Validation" and proper input validation requires that the input data be normalized prior to validation; e.g., translating various character encodings into a single character set. This is "Data Normalization" not "Database Normalization."

So. I don't know how to go about fixing an incorrect redirect. Is it as simple as just changing the redirection page? I am willing to write a new article for "Data normalization" but I am busy right now. I would like the current "Data normalization" page deleted until I (or someone) can write a new article. How do I proceed? Softtest123 (talk) 12:16, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you can just edit the redirect page after clicking "Redirected from ..." on the target page. See Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects. You can change the target or turn it into an article. Like for all other pages, only administrators can delete a redirect. See Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion for how to nominate a redirect for deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try to find the time today to create a stub article. I think I need to leave the page there because it will need an explanation on the talk page. Softtest123 (talk) 13:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I imagine each page should also have at the top one of those For , see: Or perhaps See also at the bottom would be better, since most people arriving at the page would understand the distinction. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 19:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

AKA a hatnote, see {{About}}.--ukexpat (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

If you're starting from a situation where the redirect is incorrect, then it may not be safe to assume that readers would understand the distinction. (What is obvious to the experet isn't obvious to the layman.) A hatnote would seem more appropriate than a "See also". Naturally if a new article is being written it will need references to reliable sources to justify its content. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:16, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm surprised there isn't already an adequate article on the subject; just about any form of data can be 'normalized' in some fashion. I added a brief definition regarding "other forms" with a 'More' template linking to a sub-list. Almost adequate for now? ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

wrong date of birth

Dear Misplaced Pages

there is an Arabic page about the young comedian actress Eman Al sayed the date of birth isn't wright, the wright one is 7april1980 and it dosn't respond when I correct it please tell us what to do

and this is the page

http://ar.wikipedia.org/search/?title=%D8%A5%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%AF&stable=0&shownotice=1

thanks Naglaa' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naglaayounes (talk • contribs) 13:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Naglaa. The different language Wikipedias are all entirely independent, and the English one has no jurisdiction over the Arabic one; furthermore, different Wikipedias can have different rules. If this happened in the English Misplaced Pages, I would suggest you look at the history of the article and see which editors had reverted your change, and what reason they gave; but I cannot read enough Arabic to tell if there is anything useful there. Again, in English Misplaced Pages, changes like this are often made by editors who do not understand the importance of reliable sources, and other editors revert the addition of unsourced material; but I don't know whether this might be what happened here or not. --ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, I assume the ar.wikipedia would have a help-desk, which might be able to give more specific guidance, right? ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

wild flowers

Hello, I want to know how to look up wildflowers that i have taken pictures of, but don't know there names. Thanks Mary Lou Reed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.106.19.248 (talk) 14:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there - Try using link. Just click on the camera symbol in the search bar, then click "upload an image". Hope this helps, Mdann52 (talk) 14:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

If that doesn't work, there are also websites that let you input a flower's colour, number of petals, habitat and so on and they suggest possibilities: the more information you give, the closer you will get to an answer. For example, , , . (The first two are UK flowers only). You could find one that covers the country in which the pictures were taken and give it a try. - Karenjc 14:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

another Luis Alberto Ojeda

Luis Alberto Ojeda

Born: Chicago, IL

Education: Lake Placid High (Lake Placid, FL), Bemidji State

Date: April 12, 1966

Businessman and Philanthropist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.176.78 (talk) 15:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Luis Ojeda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There are likely numerous "Luis Ojeda"s in the world. Not all of them are notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Dismas| 15:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hiding a Live article

Hi, While trying to change the name of my sandbox, I somehow made my article Green Links (project) live. It was only half-finished and I was wondering how I make it hidden again without it just being deleted? I guess I forgot that a page rename is the same as a page move in the case of Misplaced Pages.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jmil158 Jmil158 (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It appears that User:Toshio Yamaguchi has moved it into your userspace for you (User:Jmil158/Green Links (project)). SassyLilNugget (talk) 20:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, as SassyLilNugget says, the article is now in your userspace where you can work on it. Btw., if you want to have a link to your subpages at the top where My talk, My preferences etc appear, let me know and I can explain how to get that. I use that myself and I find it very useful. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 20:18, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, thank you both very much for the help.

Jmil158 (talk) 20:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

adding picture to article

i have uploaded a picture in commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/File%3AOli_Ahmed_%2C_President_-_LDP.jpg & would like to have the picture displayed on an article on Oli Ahmed. however i have no clue how that can be done. can u please help. btw i took the picture myself of Oli Ahmed and give permission for free usage and free copy right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deshpremi313 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Here is valid image code: . But using an infobox like {{Infobox minister}} with an image would be better. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

November 1

Help with infobox.. What is Template:CPDM/meta/shortname?

I'm trying to add a template for the results of Cameroonian presidential election, 2011. Under the party of the candidates, I get " Template:CPDM/meta/shortname Template:SDF/meta/shortname" I'm simply trying to add CPDM and SDF as the party. I used the non-abbreviated version as first, because I thought that was causing the problem. Is making an election infobox with a party not as simple as typing the party name? What did I do wrong? I'm including in here the infobox. Feel free to take it off this section as you type the answer if you know it.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 02:46, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Cameroonian presidential election, 2011

← 2004 9 October 11 2018 →

Nominee Paul Biya John Fru Ndi Party RDPC SDF Popular vote 3,772,527 518,175 Percentage 77.99% 10.71%

President before election Paul Biya RDPC Elected President Paul Biya RDPC

party1 and party2 should be the name of the Misplaced Pages articles: Cameroon People's Democratic Movement and Social Democratic Front (Cameroon). I fixed that in the infobox here. That created red links to Template:Cameroon People's Democratic Movement/meta/shortname and Template:Social Democratic Front (Cameroon)/meta/shortname. There I saved the "short name" of the parties to be displayed in the infobox. You can consider changing them to acronyms if that is how the parties are normally known. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Squeegee_man article talking false thing about me

Hi, this is the link to the article : http://en.wikipedia.org/Squeegee_man

The problem is : On this article, they talk about an incident ( in the : Canada section ) where this squeegee kid attacked a person in his car.

This story is about me. and I didnt attack the person, the driver attacked me. He was 3 time bigger than me for crying out loud. No one takes my story because I am the "evil" squeegee kid that the media turn. The toronto sun story ( that they quote as proof ) is completely biased, and is the version of the driver only. No one ever ask me to tell the story.

I tried editing and giving a more complete and less biased information about squeejee kids but it keeps deleting itself. I am asking to please remove this : "A few days later, on June 7, a man was attacked with a squeegee by a 23-year-old at Queen Street and Spadina Avenue. The alleged attacker was charged, and the driver admitted to hospital, to deal with the gash." from the : Canada section.

This is just to make people hate on squeegee kids and their only intention is to make us look bad. The driver attacked me, yet the toronto sun keep saying im the bad one for defending myself. The judge even told in court that it was the drivers fault, but the only reason I am being punished is because I went to far. wich is understandable, but its also understandable I was afraid and reacted accordingly when someone 3 time my size came to, and I quote "Kick my dirty ass" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neogodhobo (talk • contribs) 05:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how inclusion of that information could be interpreted as an attack against you. Nobody is named or otherwise identified in the text about the incident, or even in the cited source so unless you actually tell people it's about you, nobody would ever know. Roger (talk) 14:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you feel the article misrepresents what happened. Your edits are not "deleting themselves" - they are being removed by other editors, because they are unsourced. The problem for Misplaced Pages is that that account is referenced to a reliable source (CBC), while yours is an account from an anonymous person on the internet: see WP:Verifiability for why we cannot use that. If you can find a reliable published source which gives more of the story, you could add it - though since you tell us you have a conflict of interest it would be better to post on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Editing notices

I have received a message stating that my current IP address made a modification to an entry that was reverted due to its non-constructive nature. I also noted that my IP has also been banned due to a multitude of vandalism throughout various entries. I have never made any form of modification to any Misplaced Pages page, save for maybe a grammatical correction on the rarest of occasions, and find this troubling. Looking at my IP history the modifications are all stupid, nonsensical, and highly immature interjections and revisions; these are not modifications that I have made. I was wondering if there is a possibility that this is a mistake and would like to know of any possible course of action I could take if someone is somehow using my IP address to do such. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.8.226.80 (talk) 07:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

If your IP address changes from time to time (see Dynamic IP), or is shared with other users, the messages which you are seeing will probably refer to other users of that IP address. The safest bet is to register an account and use that. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

It looks like your IP address had already changed before you posted here. There are no messages to that IP address, it hasn't been blocked, and Special:Contributions/66.8.226.80 only shows one edit before your post. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:33, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I have submitted my article, no one reviews it!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Datangtt (talk • contribs) 10:12, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Content of section deleted, as it was a straight copy from Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Datangtt.

You didn't need to copy the content here. Your draft was reviewed, and justifiably declined. If you want your revised draft reviewing again you could resubmit it for review, but I can assure you that it would be declined again. Please read Misplaced Pages's advice on your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Your article is not currently submitted for review; you need to add the text {{subst:submit}} to the page. It will not be accepted in its current form, as you have failed to address any of the problems raised by previous reviewers. In addition, your username violates our username policy, and should be changed as soon as possible to avoid your account being blocked. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I can understand why it was declined.

The first two paragraphs have some spelling mistakes, but could easily be improved to an acceptable standard. But the four longer paragraphs are criticism of its rivals, and of the Chinese government. This criticism, however just, does not belong in an encyclopedia article. Maproom (talk) 10:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Specifically, the submission seems to be written in a promotional tone (see WP:NOTPROMOTION), and it does not cite any source whatsoever (see Misplaced Pages:Verifiability). To ensure that articles meet our inclusion criteria (set out in Misplaced Pages:Notability), we expect to see citations of sources that are independent of the article's subject (further explained at Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources). If you add those citations, you may be able to get the article accepted. PleaseStand (talk) 10:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Chris Merritt

Hello.

My name is CHRIS MERRITT. I am in need of help. There is a biography about me on Misplaced Pages which is full of untruths and mistakes. I need to find some way for this to be corrected. These mistakes and untruths must be completely removed. The reason for this is, the Misplaced Pages biography about me is constantly used as source of information for other articles concerning me and is very often quoted.

In accomplishing this, I find it necessary to ask for help.

Thank you. Chris Merritt International opera, concert and recital vocal artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.198.216.252 (talk) 13:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I added a title to separate your query from the one above. Rojomoke (talk) 13:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

For reference: Chris Merritt
Chris, I have removed a negative comment which, IMHO, is not adequately supported by the one review cited. If you would like to list the specific errors, preferably with references, on the article's Talk page Talk:Chris Merritt, other editors will incorporate the corrections into the article. Rojomoke (talk) 13:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

That negative comment does appear to me to be supported by the review cited. I wish the worst anyone could say of me was that I did something not very well 22 years ago, and made up for it the following year. Anyway, Rojomoke is right, the proper place to discuss this, and maybe mention more recent accomplishments, is the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 14:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Citations

I am currently reading and editing the Misplaced Pages page for Paul Collins (Artist) and have a few questions about corrections that have been flagged. At two separate points in the article, it has been suggested that citations need to be added. One of them occurs after a statement about the attendees of the unveiling of the series "Great Beautiful Black Women" and the other is about the executive boards the artist has served on. I feel like I have read through the information about citations and biographies of living persons quite well, but there is a lot of information and I was hoping for some clarification. I know the information that needs citations to be true, because it came from the artist himself. My question is, how do I cite this? I know there are certificates to prove that he served on these boards and somewhere is probably an article about the unveiling of the series, so do I need to cite these sources? Could I speak to the artist and cite an interview with him even if it is an unpublished interview? I just want to make sure I am citing correctly, so if you could clarify what needs to be done I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance,

Becky McBride — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.60.227 (talk) 14:51, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

No. Personal knowledge and unpublished sources are not acceptable to Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages is looking for verifiability by references to published reliable sources. I would recommend that you read WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but to go into Misplaced Pages information must be verifiable by other parties, which means it must have been published by a reliable source. Obviously, personal recollections, interviews, and the like are not going to meet our criteria. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Treatment of citations made by a quoted author

At Mind-body problem a difference of opinion has arisen regarding citations in quoted material. For example, a citation occurs in an excerpt quoted from an article by Robb and Heil as follows:

"Some philosophers (e.g., Davidson 1963; Mele 1992) insist that the very notion of psychological explanation turns on the intelligibility of mental causation."

In the bibliography of this article is found the information:

Davidson, D., 1963, “Actions, Reasons, and Causes”, Journal of Philosophy 60: 685-700. Reprinted in Davidson 1980, pp. 3-19.

––––, 1980, Essays on Actions and Events, Oxford: Clarendon Press.

The query arises as to whether it is appropriate to replace the reference (e.g., Davidson 1963; Mele 1992) in the quoted text with a footnote containing the bibliographic information, or whether, as suggested by MachineElf, it is preferable to leave the citation in the quotation as it is, and leave it up to the reader to seek out the original article and search its bibliography.

A subtlety of this question is the following: the authors' provided bibliography provides some information about the source, but typically a WP footnote contains more information, for example, in this case one might find:

Davidson, D. (1963). "Actions, Reasons, and Causes". Journal of Philosophy. 60 (23): 685–700. Reprinted in Davidson, D (2001). "Chapter 1: Actions, Reasons, and Causes". Essays on Actions and Events (2nd ed.). Oxford: Clarendon Press. pp. 3–19. ISBN 0199246270.

It is the view of MachineElf that this extended WP-style footnote is a violation of the spirit of a quotation, amounting to an editorial revision of the original authors' views. In this connection, notice that the WP footnote refers to the second edition of the Oxford text, not the original edition cited by the authors.

What are the nuances in handling these matters? Brews ohare (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

My own view on this matter is that introducing links to on-line versions of sources is an aid to the reader to be encouraged, and a switch to more recent editions of works than those actually referred to is OK provided the updated source does not include serious modifications of the original text. Where some concern over content is warranted, the WP footnote can be supplemented with a caveat such as This is a later edition of the source cited in the original work, and has been somewhat revised (condensed) (supplemented), or some such disclaimers. Brews ohare (talk) 17:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Add incoming links for orphaned article

I have been contributing to the Boss School of Music article recently, and its not linked from other articles and is therefore an orphan. Where should I add incoming links to point to this article? in "See Also" sections? from which articles?. And what navboxes can I include it under considering the school was a music education institute and went through a highly controversial period with court cases etc. Thanks. Nikhil D. Gupta (talk) 17:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Infobox image not working

I have just tried to add the unit insignia to the Infobox of 105 Squadron SAAF but instead of displaying the image is displays the file name. What is the cause of this? Roger (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

The documentation at Template:Infobox military unit says the value for the image parameter must be given in the form ]. I fixed it with this edit. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:33, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm used to infoboxes that want only the file name without any formatting - I suppose Wiki-wide consistency would be too much to ask for :) Roger (talk) 18:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Michael Licona

My father-in-law is Michael Licona. Someone is impersonating him on Facebook and has edited his Misplaced Pages page to state falsehoods about him. For instance, my father-in-law was not born on November 25th, 1995. His actual birthday is 7-17-61. Can you please prevent this person from having access to editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.142.60.166 (talk) 19:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, we cannot do anything about the impersonation on Facebook since we are not associated with them so you should try contacting Facebook. However, there are editors keeping up with removing the false modification of his birthdate on the Misplaced Pages article and I will have my eyes on it as well. Thanks for letting us know. Cheers, SassyLilNugget (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

And of course, it's also possible that the person on Facebook is another person, also named Michael Licona. I know there are other Mike Lowreys there besides me. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Format of initials in titles of biographies

I have noticed that articles about two current South African Test cricketers who are known by their initials have been moved from what I would consider to be the correct format, involving the use of periods and spaces, to an abbreviated form utilising no periods and no spaces. I cannot see anything in the style guidelines that clarifies standard format. The articles in question are JP Duminy and AB de Villiers which, in my opinion, should be titled J. P. Duminy and A. B. de Villiers, the latter currently a redirect. In both cases, the use of initials is correct per WP:COMMONNAME and it is only a question of formatting. Please advise. Thank you. --Old Lanky (talk) 22:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Jump the queue? (doi)

I've been waiting patiently (more than "a few minutes") for the doi-bot to do its thing. Should I "jump the queue"? Does that mean jump to the head of the queue? - jump out of the queue? -or- ? (Re: Tarantula#References) ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 22:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like someone already has done it for you () but in the future by all means jump the queue if you like - nobody's going to tell you off! SmartSE (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2

im a bit confused on how the process works...

My article is stuck in the sandbox and i wish to post and upload more info including photos ...please give me some direction.

Thx CarlaCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlaannparra (talk • contribs) 00:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that it's stuck there. It's there because it hasn't been moved to the main article space. And to be honest, it shouldn't be moved as it is right now. You have not supplied a single source for the information. I'll post a welcome on your talk page which may help to explain things a bit more thoroughly. Dismas| 03:00, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

URL with funny characters

I'm citing an article with the DOI of 10.1002/(SICI)1520-6548(199810)13:7<649::AID-GEA1>3.0.CO;2-6 and the title "The Geomorphology of Sugar Loaf Mound: Prehistoric Cemeteries and the Formation of Loess Cones in the Lower Wabash Valley", so I'd envisioned linking it as "". Unfortunately, that displays as

<649::AID-GEA1>3.0.CO;2-6 The Geomorphology of Sugar Loaf Mound: Prehistoric Cemeteries and the Formation of Loess Cones in the Lower Wabash Valley

How can I get the whole thing to display properly, e.g. "The Geomorphology of Sugar Loaf Mound: Prehistoric Cemeteries and the Formation of Loess Cones in the Lower Wabash Valley"? I've tried replacing the < and > characters with &l​t; and &g​t;, but it doesn't have any visible effect. Please note that I've inserted zero-width spaces between &l/&g and t; in the previous sentence; don't copy/paste them :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

&lt; and &gt; are html and not for url's. You can use urlencode: "The Geomorphology of Sugar Loaf Mound: Prehistoric Cemeteries and the Formation of Loess Cones in the Lower Wabash Valley". PrimeHunter (talk) 03:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Help:URL will show that you need to encode the < and > as %3C and %3E repectively. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  06:21, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Or you can use Template:Cite journal and the formatting will be taken care of automagically. Roger (talk) 08:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Feedback

Is there anyway to give feedback? I started to respond, but don't see anyway to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.161.19 (talk) 04:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

If your feedback is about a particular article, you can leave it at the article's talk page. Just click the "Talk" tab at the top of the article, and then click "New section" to start a new discussion thread. However, if you think you can improve the article yourself, by all means do so! You don't need to get our permission first; just start editing, keeping our policies and guidelines in mind. PleaseStand (talk) 07:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

1210s

Can someone take a look at 1210s. In my browser it shows a bunch of errors, Expression error: Unrecognised word "s"., and I cannot figure out where they are from. Thanks Illia Connell (talk) 07:01, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Might have something to do with: Warning: Default sort key "1210s" overrides earlier default sort key "1210" ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:26, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Fixed with an edit to "1210". PleaseStand (talk) 07:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Did that have something to do with </onlyinclude> ? ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, 1210 transcludes {{C13 year in topic}} and in turn {{Year in other calendars}}, which assumes the page name is a number and therefore can be used in mathematical expressions. By adding back the </onlyinclude>, I prevented the transclusion of those templates in 1210s. PleaseStand (talk) 08:13, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion

I am considering moving a discussion from a talk page to a different (more relevant) one. Although I believe I could do this properly, I imagine there is some sort of WP protocol for doing this, and I don't want to mess it up.
Re, discussion here: Talk:Spider_silk#Ballooning vs. Kiting
Belongs here: Talk:Ballooning_(spider)
I am willing to do this myself, but would need some instruction to do it properly. ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:33, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

You should paste the discussion's wikitext into the other article's talk page, mentioning just after the section heading that you moved the discussion there (e.g. using {{Moved discussion from}}). Then on the old talk page, you should replace everything but the section heading with a link to the new talk page (e.g. {{Moved discussion to}}). That way, users looking for the discussion in its original location can still find it. PleaseStand (talk) 07:50, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay - thanks, will do (tomorrow, it's past my bedtime). ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Distinguish note/Hat note for non existing article

• Article Ananya Chatterjee

I am not sure if a hatnote is needed for an article which does not exist in Misplaced Pages. I can not decide if I should remove the hatnote.

Reason for removing hatnote or keep it, because—

Article does not exist

Reason for keeping

They are absolutely right that readers may get confused. And some readers will come to this article from web search engines to search about the second Ananya Chatterjee.

Any suggestions/idea? Is there any policy or consensus on this? --Tito Dutta (talk)

Blocked Article

I would like to thank you so much I was reding an excellent page on your service when I was asked my opinion on your service which blocked part of the article no matter what I did from ignoring to trying to reply I couldnt read the blocked out part of the article thank you you !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.10.130 (talk) 10:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I added a header to separate your question from the preceding one.

Can you tell us which article you can't read, and what exactly you see that stops you? Thanks Rojomoke (talk) 10:11, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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