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	Happy Thanksgiving
	A big thank you from me to you.   little green rosetta(talk) central scrutinizer  05:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• So far, so good. much of the family is here in Texas. The hotel should be sued for false advertisement though, its a bit of a hole, and the internet wifi is literally slower than dial-up. I would go find a hot spot but nothing is open so i wont be able to get onwiki much.. This is also the fist time Ive used an iPad...not bad but odd for a pc guy. Glad I came. Hope everyone is enjoying the holiday. Pharmboy (alt. of Dennis Brown) 12:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Just got back from watching the new James Bond movie, Skyfall...long but quite good. Went with a sister and brother whom I only get to see once a year, which made it better. Another sister texted us, shopping at the early Black Friday sales at Target, they had to call the police in to manage the crowds. Yes, I will be avoiding all shops tomorrow...there is nothing I could want worth dealing with kind of chaos. Time for a cup of tea and some sleep. Pharmboy (alt. of Dennis Brown) 04:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• Well, you're one up on me: I still have to see Skyfall. We're back from being gone, and while it was fine, it's also nice to be home again. Hope you had a great trip, and drive safely. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
• I saw it...other than the half hour of previews before you get to see the movie it was good. Go Phightins! 04:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
• I want to see it so bad - haven't got to it though. Vacation 04:23, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• • Skyfall was somewhat dissapointing. Seemed like a lot of character development to get you used to new actors taking on old Bond roles.   little green rosetta(talk)
    central scrutinizer  00:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
    • But you got the backstory, and this time, it was personal. Not the perfect Bond movie, but well worth the 9 bucks spent, at least to me. But then again, I'm the perpetual optimist that tries to find the good in all things. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Seeing the movie may have been worth nine bucks, but the medium popcorn and small soda was not worth the 11 bucks. Good grief! Go Phightins! 00:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
        • • USD9? Gosh, with that and your incredibly cheap gas, I'd be tempted to move over. But then I think of wall-to-wall MickyD-type places and my beloved NHS, without which I'd have been dead on quite a few occasions. Nah, I'll stick here, converse with the nice Yanks in writing and watch the movie when it hits the TV schedules. Provided the NHS keeps doing its job on me, of course! Hope y'all enjoyed your break: now get back to fixing the project ;) - Sitush (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
            • We saw it. I thought there was a lot of filler but the last 30 minutes was good. We spent $24 on two hot dogs, two large sodas and a large popcorn with a refill....that we had eaten before the first ten minutes of the film. LOL! I enjoyed Lincoln more.--Amadscientist (talk) 01:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
              • Good to see you, it's been a while. I've been curious about Lincoln, which I just saw that IMDB gave an 8.4, extraordinarily high. I guess I should drag the wife out to see that. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:49, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks

Your reputation here certainly needs no further endorsement. However, a public thank you is definitely called for. Quite simply, thanks so much for all your help and support. I owe you one; let me know if there's anything you ever need a hand with. Basalisk ⁄_berate 03:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Consider the debt paid in full. Just try to always be tolerant, patient, humble, and remember that we chose to serve the community and not to rule it. Be the the first to point out your own mistakes and forgive yourself as quickly as you forgive others. The RfA experience does change you a bit, and everything is different afterwards. Expect around 3 months of adjustment and learning (and bumps on the road), but you will find your own pace. Just never be afraid to ask, or to simply say "I don`t know". The real strength of the admin system is that no one know everything, so we must rely on each other and non-admin alike. Pharmboy (alt. of Dennis Brown) 04:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Actually, @Basalisk, what you should really do is every time you have a question or problem, ask Dennis. :-) Seriously, you'll find his support does not end after your nomination is successful. Hope you had a good TG, Dennis. Enjoy the rest of the long weekend.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Hello!! I'm Mickey Hanson and would like your nomination for adminstrator. I have Associate of Business, Associate of Applied Science in Business, and Accounting Certificate in Applied Science in Business from Glen Oaks Community College in Centreville, MI. Also, I have a Bachelor's Degree in Business with an Accounting Major from Western Michigan University. During those years, I have given essays, reviews, and Power Point presentations. Also, I have written numerous letters to the editor in various newspapers. Through these, I have learned how to write anything in a clear presentible manner. I promise not use profanity, vulgar words, poor grammar, or slang words when I edit an existing article or write a new one. I am new to Misplaced Pages as far as writing or editting, but I am familiar with the website and have read numerous articles from it. If someone is willing to patiently teach me, I'll only have professional written articles, constructive critique of exist articles, and verifible and relevant changes to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godzooky (talk • contribs) 21:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• Hey, Godzooky! I don't want to speak for Dennis, but I think it's pretty safe to say that you need a bit more experience with Misplaced Pages itself before becoming an administrator. I've written in a bit more detail on your talk page. Even if you're not an administrator, though, there's still plenty to do, so welcome! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• I've dropped a note on Godzooky's page as well. And thank you for the stalking Writ, I'm always appreciative of others helping me greet new editors. Feel free to any time on my talk page. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

SPI case

Hi Dennis! About this case: I thought it was a duck case and will be decided on behavior, even if CU is stale. --SMS 06:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• The problem was that the edits didn't overlap, and it very well could be that one person does have both accounts, but forgot their password, etc. In order for it to be "socking", there has to be abuse in the use of two accounts, and there were so few edits with each account, I don't see how it could be abuse. Abuse could be in many forms, ie: one account edit wars and gets warned they will get blocked, so they create a new account to make the edits. They could both vote in an AFD. They could both contribute to a talk page to make it look like two people agree on a contentious item when it is really only one. Two people reverting each others edits to avoid 3RR. The fact that there is over 9 months time gap doesn't support those types of abuse claims. So while it is likely the same person, it isn't socking. Berean Hunter requested CU for the purpose of a sleeper check, to look for hidden accounts only, not for socking outright. You are welcome to ask him to review as well, no offense will be taken, but I'm pretty sure you will get the same answer. If there are other problems with his edits, that would be outside of what we focus on at SPI. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 07:14, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah! you always look at everything so positively. Something new for me, to how to look to a possible "second" account of an editor. Anyways thanks for increasing my knowledge about socking. --SMS 23:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem, the more we all learn, the more effective we all become. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:28, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Bormalagurski case closing

Checkuser is largely irrelevant for Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Bormalagurski, because we already know that a lot of them are meatpuppets. Are you saying we need to bring this before the Arbitration Committee? --Joy (talk) 08:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• Arb isn't going to take it, it is not really their job. More of an ANI issue, however, it suffers badly from TLDR in its current form. Meatpuppetry isn't the simplest to prove, but requires pretty concise evidence. I didn't do a detailed examination, and instead just closed as a procedure, which is what looks like what happened last time as well. In both investigations, the evidence is difficult to follow and meanders quite a bit, which is likely part of the problem. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 08:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

So why didn't you just leave it open until some other admin with more free time came along, one that had the time to weed through the meandering evidence? I believe there's a lot of evidence there, but there's also a lot of accompanying didascalia because it spans 6 years (!). Granted, there's also some chatter. Any submission to WP:ANI is going to get rotated out by the bot within a day, so that doesn't seem likely to help. --Joy (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

It sat for over a week after the Checkuser had done his investigation, so it wasn't a matter of time as much as either a willingness, ability or utility. It is strikingly similar in many aspects to the previously closed archive. Regardless, I have reverted my close, so it is now open again. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

It strikes me as odd that Joy would come here to argue that this case should still remain open, considering that the previous case was closed because of insufficient evidence, this case was deemed "Unrelated" by CU, the COI case was closed where it was determined that I had no conflict of interest in regards to editing Malagurski-related articles, etc. but now I'm accused of being someone's "meatpuppet"? And just by coincidence, accused only by editors who have personal or ideological issues against Malagurski and his films, and have issues with me as well, for telling them that they can't let their anti-Malagurski bias affect the quality of the articles (many wanted to add blogs, some of them banned from Misplaced Pages, and fishy websites as reliable sources, desperately searching for any kind of slander they could find concerning Malagurski), as expressed on the talk pages of the Boris Malagurski, The Weight of Chains and Kosovo: Can You Imagine? articles. Why can't you all just leave me alone and let me edit the articles that are interesting to me? I'm not Boris Malagurski, I'm not his colleague, I'm not on his payroll, I am just an editor who adds sourced information to Misplaced Pages, have never been blocked and do my best to respect the guidelines of Misplaced Pages. Why the sudden interest in attempting to prove that I'm someone's sockpuppet or meatpuppet, considering that this User:Bormalagurski, from what I see, stopped editing in, what, 2006? Wow, try connecting me to someone who edited even earlier than that, maybe that was the real Boris Malagurski and he has dozens of sockpuppets and meatpuppets all over the place, adding sourced material to Misplaced Pages just to screw the system over... I have nothing to do with Malagurski (or Bormalagurski, or whoever), my closest connection to the guy is buying a DVD of his film online, sending him an e-mail regarding some photos on Commons and "Liking" his Facebook page. If you want to continue your crusade against me, be my guest, but I'm going to stop wasting my time and repeating my answers concerning these insane accusations. I'm not on Misplaced Pages to fight with anyone, I came here to edit and contribute in my free time. I thought that was the point of it all. And that's what I'm going to do, because I know I'm not under anyone's control or supervision, I edit and say what I want on Misplaced Pages, with respect to the rules of Misplaced Pages. This is the last time I'm addressing any of this, and I'm going back to editing, instead of going in circles with these pointless arguments. All the best, --UrbanVillager (talk) 17:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I will let you battle it out over at SPI rather than my talk page. As for re-opening the case, it is the same I would have done for any editor who stated a case for further consideration after a purely procedural close. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I understand, my comments don't really belong on this talk page, and I apologize for bothering you, but I must say that I'm quite irritated with all these attempts to "remove me" from Misplaced Pages under false pretenses, as all of the editors who are engaging in this witch-hunt against me have, in fact, tried to go against Misplaced Pages policies to impose their views on the articles concerning Malagurski, his films, and many Balkans-related topics. When their organized actions don't work, it seems that what's left is to try to get rid of all the resistance by accusing them of being this and that (if I edited the Emir Kusturica article and articles related to his films, I probably would've been accused of being Emir Kusturica himself), and then editing unopposed, as it seems most administrators don't have the time or interest to look over what goes on in those "less popular" article talk pages and edit histories. All in all, I won't write about this on your talk page, Dennis, or anywhere else. I'm here to edit and help make Misplaced Pages better. --UrbanVillager (talk) 22:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, admin don't really patrol article talk pages. When it comes to the content of an article, you have the same amount of voice as I have. Admin get no extra "points" in article content. Our job is that of a janitor really. We take care of behavior problems, we help people solve disputes by mediating, we do investigations to see if abuse is taking place. We clean up. But the content of the articles is left to the greater community, based on consensus. That is how it should be. Our job is to try to make the environment a positive one, so editors can do their thing. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Request to look at an SPI case

Hi, Since you were involved in the previous ANI and SPI cases concerning User:Urklistre and 16:10, could you also take a look at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Urklistre#22 November 2012 if you have a moment? It'd be much appreciated. Indrek (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

That was quick. Thanks a lot! Indrek (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I'm afraid I have to bother you again. Another possible sock has shown up - User:Dr. Wilner. SPA, registered less than an hour ago, only two article edits, both () immediately in support of User:Acoriofs' edits, with terse or no edit summaries. Talk page presence likewise limited to a simple "I agree", not unlike how User:Urklistre agreed with his first sock. Could you take a quick look? Alternatively, I can just file a new SPI (or reopen the last one) if you think that's a more appropriate course of action. Thanks! Indrek (talk) 17:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• Blocked as obvious sock since his edits match as does his habits and manner. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:23, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Since User:Urklistre seems obviously obsessed with that particular article and his edits are disruptive to the point of vandalism, perhaps the article should be protected for a while? Indrek (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done Sounds entirely reasonable. I've protected for 30 days, which is about as long as I can justify at this time. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:59, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Great, hopefully they won't be back. I really appreciate you taking the time to help. Indrek (talk) 19:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

That's the part of the job I like, helping people. Ping me if he shows up again. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 19:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I responded to a request for a WP:3O and was really quite surprised to see the amount of activity on an article, which, on its face, doesn't seem all that complicated or controversial. Thanks for the intervention. Paulthomas2 (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your work at WP:3O. You guys and gals don't get enough credit. That is a very important part of the dispute resolution system and the work may not get the headlines, but I know that many of us truly respect and appreciate the hard work you do. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:56, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Another probable sock - User:Iiiiiiiiiin, per this edit on my talk page, promising to "be back". Indrek (talk) 07:15, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hard to tell or at least be completely sure with so few edits. We should just keep an eye out. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Alright, will keep an eye out. With no article edits yet there isn't an actual problem anyway with that user. The talk page comment just seemed too much to be a coincidence or random linkspam. Cheers! Indrek (talk) 12:13, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Seeking Justice

Hi, Since you changed talk page to oroginal one for Moeen U Ahmed please do same for the talk page of Mukhlesur Rahman Chowdhury to original page as both were attacked by Bluesapper12. Justice is expected from you. Thanks. ₧ — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Prekshit (talk • contribs) 14:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dennis, I've already sorted this. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. I was going to point them to the essay There is no justice at Misplaced Pages as well. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Follow up on Victor Lewis-Smith

As you closed the discussion on possible sock/meatpuppets re the editing of Victor Lewis-Smith (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Dora63/Archive) I am coming back to you first. I see a new account has been created recently to make comments and delete material. The editor is User:Snickarious and from the context I think it reasonable to query if one of the previously investigated accounts is back under a new name. What do I need to do to re-open the issue? VLSCheck (talk) 18:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• You could file a case at WP:SPI but I don't recommend doing so this soon. It is very difficult to justify a Checkuser read the logs with more diffs and edits to compare to first. It might be someone that knows them, but it isn't enough to be the same person or a friend, there has to be a showing of abuse in the relationship, ie: doing each other's bidding. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  • That's really helpful, many thanks. I'll keep watching and see what happens. VLSCheck (talk) 09:26, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello!

Please, be so kind, and respond me why did you reverted your self? --WhiteWriter 18:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• An editor requested it and presented a plausible case for it to be reopened. My closing was only procedural and not due to my own exhaustive investigation (ie: I closed only because it was left open over a week after a CU found no linkage). Because of this combination, compounded by the possibility that the reason it was overlooked was due to the busy holiday week in the US, simply reverting my own action for a few more days to allow another administrator to review, if they so chose, was the appropriate action. It shouldn't be construed as to my having an opinion as to the merits of the investigation, and only a reflection that there were merits to the request, which can be found a couple of sections above this one. This isn't the first time I've reopened a case to allow further examination under similar circumstances. Had I performed a full investigation and found no merits to the claims in the report, my closing statement would have reflected that and the threshold to reopen would have been somewhat higher. In short, it was a good faith response to a good faith request, so I erred on the conservative side by reverting myself. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I think especially in this case (very stale sockmaster), the fact that checkuser came up negative is not very good evidence that there isn't socking. Gigs (talk) 18:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Can you help me?

I CSD'd my user page a few weeks ago (for reasons I cannot remember) and now all the content is gone. Can you please provide me with the revision previous to its deletion? Thankyou in advance. Till 02:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• I did a select restore (my first), which put the one version before CSD back into the history as the October page, so you can work it from there. Yea, I can see why you wouldn't want to try to dig up all that info again. If you want more version, or all of it restored, just ask. It's easy to do. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I just want the revision immediately prior to the one that was CSD'd, because the other revisions contain personal information which I do not want disclosed anymore. Till 11:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC) Nevermind! It's there Lol. Thanks for that. Till 11:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Not a problem, I had figured as much. None of the advanced stuff was taken away either, rollbacker, etc. We all have bad weeks, so I didn't see any need to modify them. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:01, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

I wanted to stop by and thank you for your support throughout the RFA process. While many of us, myself included complain of how broken the RFA process is, and despite all the many failed attempts to find fixes, your work with RFA, and potential candidates, is actually doing something about the problems. I hope you keep it up, as it is definitely appreciated. Monty₈₄₅ 21:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• My pleasure to help. If anything, I owe you a debt of gratitude for letting me nominate you. As I said on your page, you earned the bit on your own after years of hard work, no one gave it to you. I'm very confident that Misplaced Pages is a better place due to you being an admin, and I'm just happy I could play a small part in helping you realize that goal. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:59, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Request

I was wondering if you could approve me for use of AWB. I would like to use it for something automated (switching out an old file name for a new one on ALOT of pages) and the registration page is seriously backlogged. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:45, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• Because Drmies is acting as a mentor of sorts, I would prefer you asked him. I would have to before I granted anyway. (I'm not even sure how to grant, for that matter). That said, I have no objection to it, just prefer to follow some protocol. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Not sure if he is online. Posted something to his talk page earlier (so had a couple others) and didn't get a response. He does have a new kid, so that probably takes up some of his time. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Wrong templating

No I was reverting a sock. -DePiep (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

btw, it is your job to kill that sock. -DePiep (talk) 00:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't get paid here. And the sock is already blocked. Before you get to 3RR, you need to bring the problem to an admin's attention, instead of just reverting them 8x. I could say as an editor, it is your job to let us know they are a sock before it turns into an edit war ;) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

No you don't get payed. Why patronise me then? -DePiep (talk) 00:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't mean to be patronizing, it was simply saying that you and I are both volunteers, equals in pay. I'm happy to block the socks, I just need to you first tell me about them before I stumble across a page full of what looks like 3RR violations. Just as you depend on admins cleaning up the place, we depend on editors to tell us where the mess is. Preferably before entering an edit war with them. It is a team effort. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Then don't just follow your robot. Take a look. I did report the sock. Not to you of course. Now please tell me, how come we meet here again with you preconclusioned? -DePiep (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I looked and now see the ANI report (not the right place) and the SPI report, but the CU refused the checkuser because you didn't provide diffs. Then you need to not edit war back and forth and wait for someone to look at it. You can also ping an admin if you need. I'm just saying that edit warring with the sockpuppet (who at that point is NOT a known sockpuppet, just a suspected one) isn't the best solution, nor the proper one. I'm not trying to rip you, I'm trying to save you some headaches. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

(bad connection) yes ANI is a bad place, but I needed speed. I did ask SPI, (even preliminary by saying: this IP is suspicious). My bad experience here is that I have to spend serious time to explain, while the sock laughs. -DePiep (talk) 01:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I understand, really I do. That is why I say file the SPI, but before the 4th revert, ping an admin you know works in SPI (like me) or another admin that you know works with socks. Filing the SPI has to be done with diffs if you ask for CU. In cases like this, CU wasn't needed, as he did several edits exactly like the previous sock. you could provide the diffs for that in the SPI. That lets me just go there, look, block, in typically just a few minutes if it is this obvious. I almost just protected the page, because I saw all the reverts. Once you file the SPI, you might try an edit summary that says "Filed at SPI" as well. Again, not ragging on you, just trying to help you get them blocked quicker and avoid hassles. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:32, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Dennis. Thanks for your comment here - it was nice to get a vote of confidence from an admin I respect, especially when I wasn't too sure of myself. Thanks again. — sparklism 15:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, no problem at all. This is exactly the right use of ANI, and I respect anyone who has the clue to say "I should get a second opinion". Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Leonard Oprea

To: Sue Gardner <donate@wikimedia.org> 

Subject: Re: Leonard Oprea: PAY ATTENTION: Dear Mrs. Sue Gardner: I am the subject of LIBELOUS info - see "Notes" on my page, please ERASE IT:

Sue

Executive Director,
Wikimedia Foundation
https://donate.wikimedia.org/

WP:ANI Hi! Dennis, THANKS - and, sorry, it's me again, Leonard Oprea. I'm giving you now some info which could help you to understand why I consider LIBELOUS and HARMFUL the info from "Sun Journal" and the link to the article from "Sun Journal", as well / it means, PLEASE, I want firmly BOTH of them (info & link to info, from "Notes") to be erased from the Misplaced Pages article about me... so, please, look:

from google.com:

Androscoggin County Superior Court | Sun Journal www.sunjournal.com/matters-record/story/959148Dec 22, 2010 – Leonard C. Oprea, 57, Lewiston, reckless conduct on April 10, 2009, obstructing report of crime, domestic violence assault, domestic violence ...

You visited this page on 11/28/12. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmygodohmylord (talk • contribs) 01:48, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• First of all, you have to stop with the legal threats. This is already being discussed at WP:ANI. I trying to not block you but you aren't making it easy. Stop. The. Legal. Threats. It isn't a request, it is a requirement. Seriously, I would have blocked anyone else by now, I'm being as kind as I can. I am looking at your request now. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:54, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
• If I may add: the information has already been taken out of the article, at least for now. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:56, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I just removed that one source because it did violate WP:BLPCRIME and was only being used to cite a residence, an inappropriate use of that type of inflammatory and outdated source. As I told Leonard, just be polite and talk with us, and we are pretty nice guys. I've hatted the above. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:OWN

You should see these: . Iluvrihanna24 (talk · contribs) is continually making valid and constructive edits to the articles and is repeatedly reverted for reasons purely based on WP:OWN; "What? your edits are not helpful at all", "The corrections were make-up". He/she was even reverted for fixing spelling, and is receiving inappropriate generic template messages. Till 02:00, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• In the middle of a legal problem, but will try to look in a few minutes. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:05, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Okay thanks. Till 02:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
    • At a glance, I don't see problems with the edits either, but this isn't something that an admin can decide. ie: it isn't for ANI. It is for WP:DRN, since it is about content. You really don't want admin deciding content anyway. But a polite and calm filing asking for review at DRN, or better yet, on the talk page of a regular (admin or not) that patrols DRN would be your best bet. The key is getting eyes on the situation that are objective, without creating drama or hassles. Normally, they are going to want to see discussion on the talk page first, by the party being reverted. Not trying to be bureaucratic, but this system is in place so admin can't push their content idea over non-admin, as community protection. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:18, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Thanks. If the problem escalates, I'll take to WP:DRN. Till 02:44, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
        • Just tread carefully, we don't want to start new drama, and the situation is still delicate. This is why it is better to get someone familiar involved, and keep that air gap between you and tom. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

WP: ANI / Dennis, dear friend - you did a great job. Kindly - thank you so much.

Leonard Oprea: Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I understand you perfectly. So, don't worry - I will respect your requests. God bless and Shalom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohmygodohmylord (talk • contribs) 03:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Information

I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 10:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Good Afternoon

Our page http://en.wikipedia.org/Airport_Parking_and_Hotels was deleted on 17th November.

Could you please give me feedback so i know why this has happened. We have had the page live for a number of years and would like to get this reinstated.

Thanks Tahir Laiqat

Tahir@aph.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.73.180.36 (talk) 16:18, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• The official rationale was "(A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content))". This means that the article didn't provide a reason why this particular subject matter was notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia article. Some one else had placed a tag on the page noting that it failed to mean our criteria for notability regarding corporations (WP:CORP) then as a patrolling admin, I reviewed and confirmed the same, then deleted the article. The vast majority of businesses are not eligible to have an article here (including the company I work for). Only those that have been discussed significantly by multiple reliable sources fit the criteria. IE: They have been the primary topic in books, newspaper articles, etc. and not just mentioned in passing. If you would like to have the article started and considered, you are better by going to Articles for Creation, which allows you to create the article out of main space, develop it, get feedback on the shortcomings, and an ability to overcome these. Once it fits criteria, it will be moved into mainspace (the real encyclopedia), or if it will not be, a reason will be given. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 16:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

You got an email!

-- Luke (Talk) 03:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Note

• User talk:Franamax

Just a helpful note. If I read the notice at WP:BN correctly, I think it would be "him", rather than "her". - jc37 23:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

• The her was Misplaced Pages. She is a lady. It was still a bit awkwardly worded, so I changed it a bit to make it more clear. Thanks. I didn't cross paths that often but knew him from many years ago. Hate to see a good one leave us :/ Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  Same here, though even if I hadn't, (setting aside thoughts of the afterlife for a moment) it's sad when anyone passes on. - jc37 23:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  You and I have been here a while, seen a few pass. Even when you don't know them, you feel like you've lost a friend. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  Nod. Hmm, maybe we should see about holding a Misplaced Pages Irish wake : ) - jc37 00:08, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  Took me a bit to remember align="right", but I managed to cobble together a special purposed Barnstar banner. We should remember the joy, than the sadness. - jc37 01:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  I kind of like that. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  I think I really like that, actually. I've poured myself a Scotch, in honor. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  Sorry to intrude, but what brand of Scotch are you drinking? --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  I happen to be drinking orange-pineapple juice atm, but regardless, cheers! : ) - oh and File:Scotch Whisky (aka).jpg (found it at Misplaced Pages:Personal user awards/Cheers : ) - jc37 02:47, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy December!

The Holidays are coming up... enjoy this lovely brownie as your first treat! Statυs (talk) 02:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you! One of my favorite treats, too. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  You're most welcome! One of mine two! By the way...

• Status, I appreciate the brownie but all of you need to just stay away from each other for a bit. No comment on the issues because staying away from each other should solve the problem by itself. Let others deal with those issues, not each other. Lets just end this here. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 17:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries Seattle

Decemmber 8 - Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited

Date Saturday, December 8, 2012 Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m. Location Seattle Public Library Meeting Room 1 on Level 4, Central Library, 1000 4th Avenue, Seattle WA, 98104 Event An editathon on Seattle-related Misplaced Pages articles with Misplaced Pages tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand. Hashtag #wikiloveslib or #glamwiki. Registration http://wll-seattle.eventbrite.com or use on-wiki regsistration. Yours, Maximilianklein (talk) 04:30, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

A new user with an attitude.

Dennis, could you please take a look at this fella? http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:NewGuy1001 He has posted some HMTL code on his user and talk page rendering them inaccessible after a disagreement with User:AbigailAbernathy. Seems very problematic to me. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) already indef'ed, first appeal declined. --Rschen7754 05:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

What we have here is your basic sockpuppet. Of who, I'm not sure, but it pretty obvious this isn't their first indef block. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 07:28, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Due to a question he asked at Teahouse relating to the Teahouse, and the above users attitude about getting a Teahouse invite and the edit pattern for a supposedly new user who started right after the above mentioned fella was blocked, you might want to take a look at User:Twentyfour-dot-something. I am not anything like an expert in these matters, but it kinda smells to me. Sorry for the run-on sentence, but I think you get my drift. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh, wow. I just looked at something he posted at ANI. I am sure it is. He was rambling on about censorship there. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:45, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

And he also posted at ANI using his IP. WP:ANI#Offensive edit summaries may require action against the summary itself. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

You guys have all the fun after I go to bed. Looks handled now. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Darn Easterners! Gtwfan52 (talk) 15:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

RFPP Discussion

Hello Dennis, could you comment at a discussion going on here about a declined PC protection request? Vacation 20:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

• Honestly, I am no where near up to speed on PC protection as I should be, and I'm afraid I wouldn't be a good choice to debate the issue. This is something I need to bone up on, but right now, I'm afraid I would be in the way for this current discussion. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 20:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Understood. Vacation 22:33, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Volons creating a different user page. Huh?

Dennis, what do you make of User:Volons creating the page User:Yuvalwig? Simply a mistake by an inexperienced Misplaced Pages editor? Flyer22 (talk) 00:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

• Don't want to jump to conclusions, but several things there look unusual. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • LOL. So should I ask him (or her) why he (or she) did that? Shouldn't that user page be deleted? I didn't check yet to see if Yuvalwig is a registered editor, but it should usually be the editor's decision to create his or her own user page. Flyer22 (talk) 04:37, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
    • No reason to get involved at this stage. It is a reg'ed account, might be a friend since it is a new account, will just assume good faith for now and watch. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:42, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

File:55 Chevy BelAir.jpg

You've used File:55 Chevy BelAir.jpg in one of your articles; however, I'm concerned about it's copyright status and listed it at Misplaced Pages:Possibly unfree files/2012 December 2, just thought I'd let you know. Ryan Vesey 23:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

• Some of those may or may not be eligible per the rationale (I have seen many photos under this rationale, but I'm no expert) I will it get hashed out in the appropriate venue and replace if needed at that time. I'm assuming the uploader was notified, so perhaps they can explain more. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Yep. Ryan Vesey 23:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hi Dennis, Tiptoety blocked Akashasr a few hours ago. The rationale was edit warring, stemming from my report at here, and the period was 24 hours. They had a couple of failed appeals but now 106.67.21.191 has appeared, is making stylistically similar edits on broadly similar topics, and has both refactored Akashasr's talk page and also a comment left by Akashasr here. The IP is persisting despite me leaving a note which it seems they have read, even though they have misinterpreted the intent.

Tiptoety is likely not around, it being 0545 or thereabouts wherever they are. What to do next? - Sitush (talk) 00:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• I've blocked the IP (cell phone, so he can change it in 2 minutes) and lengthened the block on the parent. If you think he is back, file an SPI on him, and also list this ip as already blocked. It is needed for the geolocation and behavioral aspects. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• OK, will do. CU won't do anything because it involves linking IPs to registered accounts, but I guess that the behavioural evidence should suffice. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 01:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• It isn't about CU, it is about establishing a documented pattern of behavior that is easier to link future IPs or names to. You can't get a CU to run a checkuser on him, but it is the non-CUs that do most of the blocking around WP:SPI anyway. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 01:06, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Curious about some new articles

I keep an eye on the new articles pages to watch for North Carolina-related articles and found a curious issue. Don't really know where to go with this. Today, it looks like someone is creating a bunch of what I would call non-notable articles (which in and of itself isn't too big a problem). The articles are not well made (bad formatting, using WP:SYNTH and including a lot of extraneous info), but the main issue I have is that they are supposedly created by multiple users editing in exactly the same way. If it was just one user account, I could leave a message discussing the articles there. I think, however, these may be the same person using multiple accounts (they edit the same way and have much of the same info). However, if it is a class/student project, then I'd like to leave a message for the coordinator, giving them some info about how to edit on Misplaced Pages, but have no clue who that would be. Please look into the following articles and their users:

I guess I'd have to go through a group AfD for all of these if need be, but wanted to let you know of the bigger issue regarding the user(s) actions. Thank you! -- JoannaSerah (talk) 19:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• Looks like a class project. I'm not sure who coordinates these here, but they should let us know in advance. If the articles pass CSD, then even sloppy articles are better than none, but it will require a lot of clean up. I will try to find out more when I get home. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 20:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

True. Looking at it myself more, it does look like a class project. Just not sure why they chose these people to write articles on. I didn't want to bite newbies. Anyway, it just started to look like socking at first. I'm going to go ahead and add welcome messages to the users' talk pages. Maybe that can help some. They might be good editors for the NC WikiProject. Thank you for your help. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 20:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The common thread appears to be these folks were interviewed by the Federal Writers Project. You might want to ask editors over there if they know what's going on. GaramondLethe 22:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The Federal Writers' Project isn't a WikiProject, it no longer exists but was a (United States government) Federal public works project under Federal sponsorship from 1935 t0 1939 and then under sponsorship of the individual states until 1943. But yeah, looks like a class project or some such. I looked through a few of the articles and their subjects didn't really look at all notable. Shearonink (talk) 23:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I've looked through about half of the articles listed here and in my opinion none of the subjects so far have been notable. The one thing I can find in common is that all the interviews seem to be listed in the University of North Carolina's Digital Collections - there are over 1000 interviews listed in the Federal Writers Project collection, here. In looking at the articles, it seems that the writers might have had the assignment of verifying the FWP interviews as history with too much of every article text being concerned with assessing the FWP, instead of writing about the asserted subject. Shearonink (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• Perhaps someone should just ask a few of them if they are part of a project, so we can contact the leader/teacher. I don't want to get AfD happy too quickly and discourage them. I would rather sit on marginal articles a few days than ruin the spirts of a bunch of potential quality editors. I'm a bit tied tonight, but if we can find the teacher, I can contact and discuss with them. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:07, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll pick a few articles & their creators' names at random and post on the editors' talkpages, see what the response is. Shearonink (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I've also noticed that a common source (at least on 3 of the articles I've been able to check, is a 1977 article by Thomas Soapes, "The Federal Writers' Project Slave Interviews: Useful Data or Misleading Source." The Oral History Review 5 (1977): 33-38. JSTOR. Web. 13 Nov. 2012 JSTOR link here. Shearonink (talk) 00:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I've left 'Welcome and a question' notes on four of the creating-editors: User talk:Kevinkelleher12, User talk:Codycj, User talk:Cmclean99, and User talk:Karebearayka. Shearonink (talk) 00:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the initiative here. I think that handling this calmly and slowly is definitely the best way. I don't think anyone is trying to do anything wrong here, they are just not familiar with our notability guidelines, and maybe the instructor isn't either. If it is a college project, I would probably get one of my professor friends in the loop, who could probably be more helpful. And of course, thank you Joanna for bringing it here, which was the best option. Hopefully we can find a way to actually help them a bit. If only one of them became regular contributors, it will have been more than worth all the effort. If not, it still was, for their benefit. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Thank you Shearonink. I didn't want to just start going through and deleting those because I did think that it was good faith effort, but the mass of added non-notable articles just struck me as odd. Thank you all for your help. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 02:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I remember very clearly how confusing this place was when I first started so I try to give people a lot of AGF, but the sheer volume, the apparent mimicry of all these contributions to each other and the timeline is somewhat troubling to me....but just because I am troubled doesn't mean these editors are out to deep-six the encyclopedia, it just means I and maybe some others are...troubled and *that* means that we want to look into the circumstances a little bit more, because from all the articles I have read, none of the subjects are notable. If someone wanted to write an article about the veracity of the FWP interviews as a oral history project (and I've read them and used them in research before and can see how they could perhaps not be reliable) then that *might* be a reliably-sourced subject but for Willie and Mary Roberts et al?, I just don't see it. Maybe the content can be adjusted into a different form or moved into a different subject or something... Obviously, these people or this person, whoever and whatever they are, have gone to a lot of trouble to learn the WP:MOS, how to Wiki-code an article, how to "do things right", I don't want to throw the article-baby out with the Misplaced Pages-bathwater unless it is absolutely necessary. Shearonink (talk) 04:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that none of the four have replied to my posts on their talkpages yet. I am going to post some more 'Welcome and a question's on maybe three or four more of the apparent group's talkpages and see if we can get a response from anyone in that group before any severe action is taken. Shearonink (talk) 04:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I have now posted the 'Welcome and a question' on four more User talkpages, User talk:JohnRobinson94, User talk:Paigemedlin, User talk:Rhoner, and User talk:Aecorrig. I will mark off the articles up above who have my query-posts on their creator's talkpages now. Shearonink (talk) 05:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

This is all part of the philosophy we have at WP:Wikiproject Editor Retention, a project I started in July and that has grown to 100 members already. I appreciate the extra effort here, truly. These little things really make a difference. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 07:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

None of the eight editors I contacted have replied yet, which is disappointing. Before any further possible action, I suppose the only thing to do is to manually go through and leave a 'welcome and a question' at every single one of this group of 43 - I'll try to get to that later today. One other thing about this mass addition seems odd to me...all the content was just plopped down into WP main with no other edits in the various editors' userspaces. I did see an instance of a single editor who used the WP:Sandbox once but that is the only one outside article-space so far. Shearonink (talk) 15:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

We just have to be patient, it has been only several hours. They may not log in again until class, or until working for that class. These aren't regular contributors, after all. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Patience is appropriate. I do want to AGF and not scare them off. I just didn't want them to start going through and adding even more articles like that. The Articles for Creation process would have been more appropriate for this stuff. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Question regarding edit filter

I've been poking around, and haven't found an answer, so I figured I'd see if you knew. Is there a way to correct a false positive from the edit filter that preserves attribution? Monty₈₄₅ 21:58, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• Very good question. I never mess with the edit filter, never even gave myself the bit to do so. It is something I've always needed to get familiar with since I have a little real life experience with that, but not here. Sorry. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh well, thanks for the quick response. Trying VPT. Monty₈₄₅ 22:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

50s

saw your Mally posts. I have some stuff in sandbox and some moved out over the years in NASCAR. User:Ched/To Do I'll try to get back to after 1st of the year. You're welcome to move or use anything. Also, I have a book: NASCAR, A Fast History by Greg Fielden that may have a thing or two if you want to expand that particular section in the future. (lots of other NASCAR stuff too). If there's anything I can do to help - let me know. Best always. — Ched :  ?  02:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• Jump in. The primary focus of this article is culture surrounding the era, but I also have other articles of the era I'm working on as well. Actually, I'm not a NASCAR fan per see (I do like motorsports and the old NASCAR when they were stock), but I can see a fresh article on the roots of NASCAR that covers the 50s, or just "the early years" through the early 70s as being a viable article, that covers everything in depth. There is a lot of interesting history that would be too much for the general article but is worth covering for the history aspect. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 06:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Charlotte Moore

Hi Dennis. As way of courtesy notification, since you were the nominator at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Charlotte Moore, I wanted to let you know that I've resurrected this article, with sourcing improvements that I believe address the concerns expressed at the AfD. Certainly let me know if you have any concerns. Regards, Paul Erik 03:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• The new sourcing is better. You must have done some pretty good digging, as I remember it being very difficult to find any information of any kind. Per the discussion at AFD, if this version had been nominated, it would have survived as a keep, so I have no complaints about the current version. I appreciate the heads up. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 07:04, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

HighBeam

Hi Dennis; do you have a HighBeam account? Keri (talk) 15:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• No, unfortunately I don't. I don't work in academia, so I don't have access to getting one on the cheap either. :/ Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• OK, I will email you some articles. Keri (talk) 15:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

FYI: free, full-access, 1-year HighBeam Research account application at WP:HighBeam/Applications. Mojoworker (talk) 19:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, I see you already added your name to the latest round. Mojoworker (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I thought I had, just hadn't checked. Here lately, I've been spending all my lunch money and allowance on actual dead tree books for a series of articles I'm working on, centered around automobiles and American culture. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

spa tag

I left a note at User talk:Bbb23#spa, but before I nominate it for deletion, I'm curious as to what you think about it. Care to offer an opinion? Ryan Vesey 15:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

•  Done Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Editor review

I've started an editor review on myself at Misplaced Pages:Editor review/Ritchie333. As you seem to give good constructive feedback in editor reviews, your feedback would be appreciated. --Ritchie333 17:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry about that. I hit rollback by mistake while stalking your cool automobile sandbox draft. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

• Malleus may come bop you on the head like Little Bunny Foo Foo, so put your helmet on ;) I had already seen that, and quickly concluded it was an innocent mistake. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 19:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

  I already did. Malleus Fatuorum 19:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

  If you post any faster, you're going to travel backward in time. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:18, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

  I'll let you know yesterday about that. Malleus Fatuorum 19:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll tell you last week that there is no need. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Why it happens: I've been watching you build User:Dennis Brown/Articles/1950's American automobile culture for some time, so it's on my watchlist. When my watchlist loads, it does a sudden line jump after a pause, which, if at the right moment, causes me to click the wrong line. It happens once every several months if I'm not careful. A thousand pardons to you both. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The "line jump" thing Anna describes has been going on for at least several years now, and in my case, it happens every time I load my watchlist. The entire list, starting with the first entry will move down. A bad rollback can occur when you try to click a link before the watchlist stops loading, which results in the focus of your mouse click or touch tap missing the link and clicking a rollback instead. It would be helpful to find out if this has already been reported as a bug. Viriditas (talk) 20:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

""I'm guessing it relates to Twinkle, which positions the functions differently, and loads last. Just a guess though. I've done the same more than once. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Get your thoughts on a Misplaced Pages Service Academy to coordinate admin prep. Guðsþegn (talk) 19:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

You might wanna make yourself aware of...

This, this and this. Sadly, I can no longer be part of the project with this user here. Statυs (talk) 03:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)