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You may not have understood points I tried to make

In this comment I think you are addressing a counter-argument to a point no one attempted to make, and that you appear to not to have noticed the point I already made. You wrote: "The Coast Guard Medal is not at the level of medals that confers notability."

Wouldn`t it be more correct to say: "The Coast Guard Medal is not at the level of medals that confers sufficient notability, all by itself, for an awardee to merit an individual article"?

It has long been accepted here that being the recipient of a nation's highest award is sufficient to make the awardee "notable" -- all by itself. When one reviews the articles on recipients of the highest award, their awards are often their sole claim to notability. That is true for civilian medals like the George Cross, as well.

I see nothing in the record to suggest there has ever been any consensus that lesser medals confer zero notability. Are you aware of any discussions that explicitly concluded lesser medals conferred zero notability?

John Kerry won Bronze Stars -- didn't they confer enough notability that they are worth noting in an article about him, even though they confer less notability than a Silver Star, which, in turn, confers less notability than a Medal of Honor?

Some medals are very common, and not widely unknown, outside the military. In the US context the Purple Heart is pretty common, isn't it? My recollection was that John Kerry's Purple Hearts would not usually be considered worth mention in the John Kerry article, if it weren't that some critics challenged the significance of his wounds, and implied he used insignificant wounds to get sent home early. When an article says an American served in Vietnam, I think we wouldn't usually mention that they were entitled to wear campaign medals that any veteran who served in Vietnam is entitled to wear. Have I got that right?

So, don't various medals confer a range of notabilities? Is so, how does the Coast Guard Medal compare with the Silver Star and Bronze Star? I am no expert. I don't know. But they aren't awarded that often, and they do seem to require significant daring, which would suggest to me they confer a significant fraction of the notability of a Medal of Honor -- a lot more than the very common medals not worthy of mention.

I tried to make the point that while BLP1E does allow for exceptions, where a single event, like winning a Medal of Honor, is sufficient to establish notability, most individuals' notability is determined by adding up multiple factors that confer notability. I tried to make the point that in Richard Dixon's case, we do have multiple factors conferring notability.

I'd appreciate if you clarified whether you meant to suggest that lesser medals conferred zero notability.

I do recognize that it would be perfectly reasonable for you to say you acknowledge multiple factors can add up to our notability threshhold, and that, in your opinion, the factors in Dixon's case fall short. Geo Swan (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I do, that's what I was trying to say. Sorry if that wasn't clear. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:39, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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After seeing your move on Petrel, it occurs to me this probably should be moved back, too....except LBD Gargoyle is a redirect. Can you handle it when you get a chance? Thx. Also, no need to reply; it's watchlisted, so I'll see it. :) TREKphiler 22:02, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm. I saw that too, but I'm not 100% sure on that one, actually - as LBD is an aircraft-series designation, and it's arguably as much an unmanned aircraft as a missile (see also Republic-Ford JB-2). It kinda straddles the line! I reckon it can be moved (I was the one who originally moved it back in the Great Aircraft Article Naming Change, I see), but it might be contested. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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Some would no doubt advise against it, but I'm now quoting you (alongside Dennis Brown) on my userpage. :) Salvidrim!  09:14, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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