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Bobrayner

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Request concerning Bobrayner

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 23:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Bobrayner (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

ARBMAC sanctions, Topic Ban on Balkan subjects

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 22/04/13 Sheer arrogance "sooner or later OUR articles will reflect what the sources say". Flouting Common English AND WP:AT to introduce Albanian language text. "OUR" articles do not have selective naming, we generally follow WP:AT or historical accuracy. The place to push for changes on how we report names of cities is to have the pages moved. For example, Pristina is neither the Serbian name (Priština) nor the Albanian (Prishtina) but this user wishes to have it on the latter and claims "sources" are the reason. The source could be in Albanian for one, in English but published by an Albanian for another but in any case, we have English examples of Beograd yet we still report Belgrade.
2. 22/04/13 As above. Notice for Prokletije, known otherwise as Albanian Alps, the user has a penchant for Alpet Shqiptare (precisely in its red link over existing article) not known to any English speaker, the same line sees the blind revert re-introduce a lower case initial letter "sharr" for what according to AT is Šar Mountains.
3. 08/04/13 As above, two weeks ago.
4. 08/04/13 As above, two weeks ago. Note the link to Dukagjin is wrong in that it leads to a place in northern Albania, it just happens to be a name that Albanians prefer in place of Metohija which is the name according to AT and how the place has long been known in English.
5. 22/04/13 Re-introduces non-existent "Serb forces" as he dislikes the truth that Kosovo War was KLA vs Yugoslav authorities. He claims "let's stick to what the sources say" and demonstrates this by deleting this source which clearly says "Yugoslav security forces" with opening thee words. In its spot he places no source whatsoever, just changes wording to 'Serb forces'.
6. 22/04/13 As above, first disturbance in this area for two weeks. No editor had challenged the sourced facts in that time.
7. 01/04/13 Earlier attempt at same revision. Although there had at that time been no source to support the true version, no citation was being given by Bobrayner to verify his "sources" claim in the summary.
8. 01/04/13 A false summary in which I am named and accused of something for which I am not responsible.
9. 01/04/13 As above, start to finish.
10. 22/04/13 Despite this overwhelming consensus on grounds of neutrality on "border" issues for the disputed region of Kosovo's outline with the rest of Serbia. We still get the following greasy summaries and their respective revisions, BBC source removed here.
11. 22/04/13 Falsely reporting Momčilo Perišić as former head of Serbian army, which he knows was only re-established 2006. He has done this previously and yet the entire story already exists in its correct article Military of Serbia and Montenegro in which Perišić is listed alongside all other figures to have held the position. See also , , , . Attempts to explain circumstance here .
12. 27/12/12 Border issue again, severe edit-warring to push pro-Kosovo independence viewpoint , , , .
13. 22/04/13 - pushing "Serbia recognises Kosovo" again here, and here shortly after.
14. 22/04/13 Denialism of facts influenced by scanty sources. Full catalogue here, attempts to deceive date back to 20/11/12, see how the user replaces FR Yugoslav flag with independent Serbian flag which was not adopted until 2006 when nation became independent. Spreading lies.
15. 22/04/13 Even though the valid and neutral and furthermore, not-disputed-by-anybody term Central Serbia has decreased in significance since 2009 according to the Serbian constitution, it maintains ceremonial status. However, the abrupt switch from Central Serbia to Serbia per se for movement into Kosovo is contrived deliberately to make Serbia and Kosovo seem like two separate states which breaches NPOV in that it indiscreetly suggests Kosovan independence with no provision for its disputed status. Continuation here, and here with a personal attack in the summary.
16. 22/04/13 Removing sourced information per WP:IDONTLIKEIT and is opposed by the multitude.
17. 22/04/13 Removing sourced information to battle against consensus, continuing here. All started here with no consensus or attempt at discussion.
18. 22/04/13 This contribution speaks for itself. The map being removed was not controversial, Kosovo was already marked green and outlined to accept disputed status. Once more.

Just over two weeks ago, I completed an AN/I grievance against the user with this edit. The full scale of this editor's disruptive behaviour is explained there though I didn't realise that AN/I was both the wrong place and the manner was inappropriate. To synopsise, we have had two peaceful weeks with no issues on ARBMAC subjects whilst Bobrayner was absent. No sooner did he return than he immediately embarked on a rampage to make gross POV-pushing and policy-contravening reverts/fresh edits and all hiding behind the irrelevant and stale "sources" argument. The most notable change involves naming conventions on Kosovan subjects. The user is aware that we observe historical accuracy for providing names of settlements according to how they were known at the time in question and this is consistent with the language of the contemporary state. The user is also aware of WP:AT yet has chosen to take every opportunity he could find to switch English language names of towns for their controversial Albanian translation - controversial because Kosovo's status is subject to dispute and all good faith editors tread very carefully to use neutral wording which acknowlegdes the situation and neither leans one way or the other. The user dismisses this as "synthesis" and "wiesel wording" and proceeds to stylise the article 100% in the direction of Kosovan independence, Albanian as language having monopoly over WP:AT and common English; furthermore the user is known for edit-warring and he adds lies to articles, namely anything to do with the Kosovo War in which he outright denies that the belligerent against whom the Albanian KLA waged war was the Military of Serbia and Montenegro, known as the Army of Yugoslavia which comprised two republics - Bobrayner prefers "Serb military", "Armed Forces of Serbia" and anything denigrating the Serbian nation despite them not having had an independent army - only police and paramilitary units. He justifies this depredation with a template summary, "let's stick to what the sources say" despite having been shown that publications are selective simplifications which use "Serb" over "Yugoslav" and he has been given examples where this is so on matters where it is known Yugoslav is correct and Serb is wrong (eg. Milošević wrongly labelled Serb president in reliable source when position was held by Milutinović; Milošević was actually Yugoslav president at time of publication). In addition, a full explanation was spelt out black and white fresh from a source which he was using, the text explained the full Yugoslav/Serb scenario. On top of that, the rest of the WP community to edit on the Balkans observe a consensus which favours precision over press-style simplification thus dismissing the idea that "sources" trump facts.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Warned on Date by Name of user who made warning 1 (talk · contribs)
2. Warned on Date by Name of user who made warning 2. If there is no warning 2, delete this entire line (talk · contribs)

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Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Bobrayner

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Statement by Bobrayner

I have, for some time, been trying to bring our articles on Balkan topics closer in line with what sources say. Unfortunately, Evlekis disagrees very strongly with the wording used by sources on a wide variety of Balkan topics, and this has led to something of a feud; the endless reverts make my progress much slower. This AE filing appears to be another attempt at revenge. I'll try to address each of Evlekis' diffs:

• 1 2 3 4: These diffs show me restoring the wording used by the source, which quite naturally uses Albanian placenames in Kosovo. This is not acceptable to Evlekis, who is sure that places in Kosovo must have Serbian names, and cites WP:AT even though that policy is about article titles and does not support Evlekis' preferred language (I've tried explaining this in the past, repeatedly). These edits are nothing to do with titles. Evlekis has misused WP:AT like this on many other pages and has carefully informed new editors of this spurious rule. example
• 5 and 6 Evlekis insists that "Serb forces" are "nonexistent". My edit adds six sources which each discuss Serb forces in that massacre; there are many more sources out there. (Out of all the sources used on the Prekaz article, Evlekis had cherrypicked the one which used wording closer to his preference). 7 shows the same problem; sources say "Serb", Evlekis changes the article to say "Yugoslav". There have been hundreds of edits like this on other articles.
• 8 Evlekis says "A false summary in which I am named and accused of something for which I am not responsible"; even lying to Arbcom's face. Source says "Serb"; Evlekis changed "Serb" to "Montenegrin"; I changed it back and cited another source.
• 9 (this is the bit about the Lake Radonjic massacre). Multiple reliable sources say that Serb police reported finding a mass grave. Evlekis changed that to say "Yugoslavian authorities". I changed it back to reflect what sources say. This makes Evlekis angry.
• 10: Multiple reliable sources discuss the border between Kosovo and Serbia. Evlekis doesn't like that word; it's a concession towards the notion that Kosovo might not be an integral part of Serbia. Evlekis repeatedly redesignates it an "administrative border", breaking his 1RR restriction again and again and again. The sources don't call it that.
• 11: We have a source reporting that the head of the Serbian army was taken to court for war crimes during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Evlekis is adamant that the Serbian army was created in 2006 which means that all the sources discussing war crimes by Serb forces in the 1990s can be safely ignored.
• 12: The border problem again. Sources just call it a border, an IP address (seemingly a VJ-Yugo sock) changes it to say "administrative zone with the disputed political entity", I change it back.
• 13 Another editor added this source on recent rapprochement between Kosovo and Serbia. This is not what Evlekis and allies want; the sourced content was removed from the article, I added it back in. of course it gets removed again by one of the serial reverters. Just another day in the Balkans.
• 14: The usual - sources discuss "Serb" forces, I change the article to say "Serb", the usual revert-warriors change it back to say "Yugoslav".
• 15: Evlekis doesn't like the word "Serbia" in articles about Kosovo, instead preferring to say "Central Serbia". That weasel wording allows Evlekis and allies to continue implying that Kosovo is part of Serbia. I changed it back to "Serbia" because none of the sources say "Central Serbia". .
• 16 and 17: A wide range of reliable sources simply say that the Kosovo assembly declared independence. However, if you dig down into one particular court document (a primary source) and make a very selective reading of section IV.B.2 (b), you can get some legalese which, surrounded by caveats, gives a very different impression... Evlekis and allies want exactly those words at the start of the lede of multiple articles.
• 18: The article is a harmless, obscure list of municipalities in Serbia, excluding Kosovo. There was a map of municipalities in Serbia, including Kosovo. I replaced that with a map that just showed municipalities in Serbia, excluding Kosovo - a map which perfectly fits the list. A perfectly good edit. As usual, this gets outrage from Evlekis and repeatedly reverted by 23 editor. As usual, no response to my talkpage thread.

Meanwhile:

• Evlekis has already started canvassing allies to come and join this case. I don't know what has been said off-wiki but there has been very convenient timing in how another editor has joined Evlekis' revert wars.
• Evlekis has been stalking me, looking for disagreements on other completely unrelated pages that I edit; if there's a disagreement then Evlekis joins whichever side disagrees with me, and coaches any possible adversaries. Needless to say, Evlekis had hitherto shown no interest in the use of icons on railway articles. There are other examples of stalking - etc.
• When somebody makes disgusting personal attacks against me, Evlekis simply intervenes to make sure they stay on the side of civil pov-pushing. Evlekis knows exactly how far you can push the line with personal attacks.
• Evlekis tried reporting me to the 3RR board because he wanted free reign to reinsert blatant factual errors into Republika Srpska, and I kept on removing them. Being limited to 1RR, Evlekis used an IP to make a second revert, and canvassed an ally. He got away with just a warning, again.
• Over on another article, Evlekis breaks his 1RR again - the same old problem, sources stubbornly say "Serb" but Evlekis keeps on reverting to "Yugoslav".
• And another example; I change an article to reflect what sources say, Evlekis changes it back to his preferred version, Evlekis gets around 1RR by using an IP address.
• Evlekis posted an epic screed against me on AN/I; the first reply by another editor rightly used the word "boomerang". Failing to get the result he wanted despite more massive canvassing , Evlekis said he'd drop that thread and bring it here. Isn't that forum-shopping too?
• There are similar problems on many other articles; I can provide hundreds more diffs if somebody's going to read it all, but I don't want to go into TLDR territory.

How much longer must the encyclopædia suffer this campaign of civil pov-pushing, repeated evasion of editing restrictions, canvassing, bullying, abuse of sources, and so on? Can we get a boomerang here - in which case I'll add a wider range of evidence - or is a fresh AE request needed? bobrayner (talk) 06:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Some more examples, as requested... (though I'm still wary of going TLDR as it's a long-running saga)

• At Cinema of Kosovo Evlekis broke his 1RR restriction again, and promptly self-reverted. Six minutes later, 84.74.30.129 (talk · contribs) - which had never edited any other articles - appeared to redo the edit. Perfect timing! This looks like Evlekis evading 1RR again. 84.74.30.129 then made another three reverts on that article, to positions that Evlekis favoured and making Evlekis-like complaints about "Albanian language propaganda" and "English language names". Editing times overlap with Evlekis, who was active on other pages at those times; there are 5-6 minute gaps between IP edits and Evlekis edits. This anonymous editor made 4 edits in total, only made edits furthering Evlekis' position, only when Evlekis was logged in, and only when Evlekis was at his 1RR limit on Cinema of Kosovo.
• Whilst we're on coincidences, isn't it interesting that Neutral Fair Guy (talk · contribs) created an account at a time when Evlekis would normally be editing, and then made a series of very WP:POINTY edits about an obscure but controversial epithet, hours after Evlekis had ranted about exactly the same epithet in a TLDR section of my talkpage that nobody else is likely to read? NFG then goes on to overlap a remarkable 21 pages with Evlekis (that's quite an unlikely feat for an account which only made 53 edits before getting blocked).
• Anyway. At Cinema of Kosovo, Evlekis also continues the bizarre misuse of WP:AT:
• At Bardhyl Çaushi, sources say that the subject was abducted by Serb troops and held in a Serb prison; Evlekis changes this to "national troops", "FR Yugoslavia", APKiM &c. Of course the sources don't mention APKiM &c.
• Evlekis did the same thing at Izbica massacre and Battle of Glodjane, having been canvassed by WhiteWriter. Again, the sources prefer words like "Serb", Evlekis systematically changes that to "Yugoslav". Obviously, on-wiki canvassing (and setting up a tag-team) could look bad, so [https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:WhiteWriter&diff=538114703&oldid=538108370 Evlekis would rather discuss things offsite in future.
• Majlinda Kelmendi is a BLP about a sportswoman. There are plenty of sources which make it clear that she's from Kosovo; but in a previous season, due to the problem of national recognition, she had to compete under an Albanian flag. We even have sources where she complains about it personally, plus "Even though the United Kingdom, the US and Germany recognise Kosovo, the 21-year-old was not granted the wish to perform in her homeland's colours due to the resistance of Jacques Rogge, the International Olympic Committee president. Instead, she stepped out at the ExCeL for the Games wearing Albania's insignia...". Evlekis' response? This woman's nationality can only be Albanian, not Kosovar, and this must be enforced by a string of reverts. .
• When Evlekis was blocked for editwarring on 10 March, 84.74.29.21 (talk · contribs) suddenly appeared to make two characteristically Evlekis-like reverts on his articles: . It's in the same range as 84.74.30.129 (talk · contribs) mentioned above. Isn't that block evasion too?
• Need more? bobrayner (talk) 13:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Statement by Joy

I'm usually an uninvolved admin WRT Kosovo topics, because I usually don't deal a lot with this part of WP:ARBMAC area. But just in case, I'll write this in a separate section because I've dealt with both editors at length in related areas.

Evlekis, are you trying to test WP:BOOMERANG here? Most of what you've linked to are simple content disputes, in which you're advocating moot points. That, in and of itself, isn't necessarily disruptive. Filing this request, however, is.

What's particularly troubling is that you failed to heed much of the advice people gave you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive792. The request is cca 1100 words AFAICT, and it's still using phrasing that is just as non-neutral as before.

--Joy (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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Result concerning Bobrayner

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Before we can process this, you must link to the remedy that is to be enforced, the notification of Bobrayner, and any warning of Bobrayner per WP:AC/DS#Warnings.  Sandstein  05:14, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, this is just to note that the remedy that is to be enforced is WP:ARBMAC#Standard discretionary sanctions, and both parties have previously received the necessary warning (, ). Bobrayner, because we will likely have to examine the conduct of both parties in any case, I recommend that you post any evidence for alleged recent misconduct by Evlekis in your statement. I'll look at the evidence in more detail after both parties have had the opportunity to reply to the evidence submitted by the other.  Sandstein  07:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)