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| :I never said the name changing policy itself is controversial, I said that name changing due to Hellinization is. Therefore, it needs backing from legitimate sources that clearly make that claim. As of now, no source clearly shows this. Sources need to be added or reevaluated. ] (]) 20:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC) | :I never said the name changing policy itself is controversial, I said that name changing due to Hellinization is. Therefore, it needs backing from legitimate sources that clearly make that claim. As of now, no source clearly shows this. Sources need to be added or reevaluated. ] (]) 20:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| The sources are given, read them first. | |||
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| ⚫ | {{cite book|last=Tsitselikis|first=Konstantinos |title=Old and New Islam in Greece: From Historical Minorities to Immigrant Newcomers|year=2012|publisher=Martinus Nijhoff Publishers|ISBN=9789004221529|page= 49|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=FdqRdctzEXcC&pg=PA49&dq=the+nationalization+of+place+names+in+greece+was+accordingly+highly+political.&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=52y0Udn6Hqac0AWr-YH4Bw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20nationalization%20of%20place%20names%20in%20greece%20was%20accordingly%20highly%20political.&f=false}} name="Zacharia-p230-233"> | ||
| {{cite book|last= Zacharia|first=Katerina |title=Hellenisms: culture, idenitity, and ethnicity from antiquity to modernity|year=2012|publisher=Martinus Nijhoff Publishers|ISBN=9789004221529|page= 230-233|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=H1fGJRxUG6wC&pg=PA230&dq=the+modification+of+place+names+began+just+after+the+constitution+of+the+Greek+state+in&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=3m20Ud2XNtKb1AWoh4DQAQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20modification%20of%20place%20names%20began%20just%20after%20the%20constitution%20of%20the%20Greek%20state%20in&f=false}} ] (]) 07:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | {{cite book|last= Zacharia|first=Katerina |title=Hellenisms: culture, idenitity, and ethnicity from antiquity to modernity|year=2012|publisher=Martinus Nijhoff Publishers|ISBN=9789004221529|page= 230-233|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=H1fGJRxUG6wC&pg=PA230&dq=the+modification+of+place+names+began+just+after+the+constitution+of+the+Greek+state+in&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=3m20Ud2XNtKb1AWoh4DQAQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20modification%20of%20place%20names%20began%20just%20after%20the%20constitution%20of%20the%20Greek%20state%20in&f=false}} ] (]) 07:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| ::I have read them. None of them directly say that these policies were a direct result of Hellenization. If you find sources that say so, by all means use them. Otherwise, we'll have an article with misleading terminology and information. ] (]) 08:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | ::I have read them. None of them directly say that these policies were a direct result of Hellenization. If you find sources that say so, by all means use them. Otherwise, we'll have an article with misleading terminology and information. ] (]) 08:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| A case of ]? The title of the book is "Hellenism". | |||
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| "their modification amounted to a sort of "Hellenization" of the country and assumed a civilizing function.... "Hellenizing" the minorities meant subjecting them to a civilizing process."'' | |||
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This article is POV
As you can see, this article is directly copied and pasted with information from the Geographical name changes in Turkey article. The user has replaced Turk with Greek and Turkification with Hellenization and expecting the sources provided here to somehow to conform to an entirely different article. Replacing words here and there as a response to another article in order to ultimately prove some sort of WP:POV is serious sign of WP:BATTLEGROUND. Please....WP:Misplaced Pages is not about winning.
More importantly, in regards to the sourcing, none of the sources deliberately say that these name changes were due to a formal Hellenization policy. Though there may be politics involved, I still do not see as to how this would be an open Hellenization policy of the Greek government. Such controversial statements need to be quoted by a peer-reviewed journal/article or directly by the Greek government for that matter. I believe this article should be tagged as POV until sources actually confirm what I have mentioned above. As we speak, the article does not fully represent what the sources actually claim. Proudbolsahye (talk) 06:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
More sources will be forthcoming...............It is a new article. Though there may not have been a "open policy" as you may say, the extensive replacements of toponyms in Greece was driven by something. That the bulk of those toponyms/place names had a non-greek etymology should be looked at. However unlike the Turkish study which has done extensive work into the matter, scholars examining Greece have usually focused on a locality as opposed to Greece as a whole. Its why Thrace is mentioned at the moment. Thus comments are not "controversial" as you purport and name changes did happen, especially in places that were linguistically different and not Greek speaking or in areas that people had a non-Greek conscious as in Thrace. Sources so far are already there and do suffice. I don't see how they are controversial. There is also a EU funded database regarding Greece and name changes. (Resnjari (talk) 19:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC))
- I never said the name changing policy itself is controversial, I said that name changing due to Hellinization is. Therefore, it needs backing from legitimate sources that clearly make that claim. As of now, no source clearly shows this. Sources need to be added or reevaluated. Proudbolsahye (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
The sources are given, read them first.
Tsitselikis, Konstantinos (2012). Old and New Islam in Greece: From Historical Minorities to Immigrant Newcomers. Martinus Nijhoff Publishers. p. 49. ISBN 9789004221529. name="Zacharia-p230-233">
Zacharia, Katerina (2012). Hellenisms: culture, idenitity, and ethnicity from antiquity to modernity. Martinus Nijhoff Publishers. p. 230-233. ISBN 9789004221529. DragonTiger23 (talk) 07:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have read them. None of them directly say that these policies were a direct result of Hellenization. If you find sources that say so, by all means use them. Otherwise, we'll have an article with misleading terminology and information. Proudbolsahye (talk) 08:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
A case of WP:LIKE? The title of the book is "Hellenism". "their modification amounted to a sort of "Hellenization" of the country and assumed a civilizing function.... "Hellenizing" the minorities meant subjecting them to a civilizing process."