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See that pyramid on the right? I actually _do_ prefer to stay in the top tiers. Unfortunately, the pyramid assumes that all actors are discussing in good faith, stating true facts, and not misrepresenting others' words. I'm afraid these do not hold true for deletionists and trolls, who choose to bend the language, meaning, and spirit of policy, and even outright lie, to achieve maximum destruction, and maximum disturbance to the encyclopedia project. So the reader will find me stepping off the pyramid from time to time to sternly deal with raging deletionist and troll behavior. Sorry if this is upsetting, but please see WP:DUCK and WP:SPADE for more on opening one's eyes and seeing the facts before one. --Lexein

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<grin> Think of it as the smack at the end of a Swedish massage, or the smack of a Homer like pate when saying Doh! Whatever makes you comfortable... The name was never intended as a reprimand, although some users have taken it as such, just a passing pun. Regards Rich Farmbrough, 07:39 6 April 2007 (GMT).

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Another naming thing

Another article naming thing if you're interested. There seems to be consensus among a couple experienced editors for Monster (company), but I don't think it's a non-controversial edit I could make myself. CorporateM (Talk) 03:43, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Oops, Crisco just got it. CorporateM (Talk) 03:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, that was easy! I need more problems like this one. --Lexein (talk) 21:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Lol, I was surprised you stuck around on the Hightail article. Do you generally enjoy collaborations with COIs like that? I am always on the lookout for just the right editors to work with. Some editors don't like working side-by-side with a paid editor for free and they are under no obligation to - personal choice I figure. CorporateM (Talk) 03:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sort-of event-driven. When I see that someone's touched something on my watchlist, I check in and try to address anything that jumps out at me. In this case, the reviews section had become a naming mess, not helped by one of the reviews updating the company name long after the review was written. I've had a mixed history actually collaborating on articles; see Hollywood Walk of Fame history. It usually eventually works out, but there's often some huffing&puffing.--Lexein (talk) 16:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

My experiences are also mixed on both sides, as is what we should expect in a community that is anything but consistent. Some editors are overly hostile regarding my COI and others are overly sympathetic and I prefer to avoid both cases when possible. In most cases I am not neutral where I have a COI (well, not always where I don't either), but I do the best I can from my position.

I support "good enough" editing and if my contributions are a little mediocre, well, it's a good thing I'm not the only editor on the site :-) CorporateM (Talk) 20:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I have a strong "good citizen" bias about COI editors - meaning COIeds must have a super-light touch (full letter and spirit of WP:COI) at all COI or appearance-of-COI articles, but are free to be just-folks editors at all articles which are completely unrelated to any of their COI interests/edit history. IMHO COI editors should edit a lot of articles not in their paid or main area of interest: a) practice, b) practice, c) experience away from the fishbowl/potential aggro. --Lexein (talk) 23:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

In doing a Q&A type thing for the SignPost, I came to realize my thinking has changed. It's not unusual for my COI works to need trimming or copyediting, contain factual errors or even for me to over-compensate for my COI. Nobody seems to care about my general mediocrity.

It just has to do with trust and AGF. Misplaced Pages wants us to have a COI, but we don't. We serve our clients exclusively. PR ppl don't give a crap about Misplaced Pages. We're just trying to do our jobs. Well... I do my job by explaining Misplaced Pages's expectations to clients and how spin, omissions and other tactics will have a negative impact long-term.

It doesn't always work perfectly. Sometimes I am bias and often I am not able to make clients as neutral as I would like them to be, but I can usually get it pretty close and Bright Line-type engagements take it for the home-stretch and it works out well enough. CorporateM (Talk) 01:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Matthew Bryden

Hi Lexein. It seems I've gotten myself into a fairly heated argument on this page. My attention was drawn to it when an editor at COIN asked me to help in a volunteer capacity. A PR rep was asking to add more content to the article from primary sources. Well, instead I started taking a heavy axe to it, because it was full of primary sources, op-eds and the like. When I started cutting the controversies too, I started bumping into disagreements and edit-conflicts, etc. with another editor. Could really us a couple experienced editors to chime in and hopefully we can reach a consensus on the right approach.

To avoid edit-warring, etc. I've shared a proposed draft here CorporateM (Talk) 17:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)