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You are hereby awarded this Ukrainian National Award "For Merit" because you continue to write new articles on Ukrainian political topics - such as Iryna Herashchenko - and because you have been doing so for years. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hey. Check out {{Regions of Ukraine}}, I've updated it to something more streamlined and a lot simpler to read. As such, I really don't think there is a need for {{Administrative divisions of the Ukrainian SSR}} since they are essentially the same thing (I've added a bottom row with the former subdivisions) and currently there are two templates taking up space when we can have just one. What do you say?

I would recommend we keep {{History of Ukraine}} and {{Ukrainian statehood}} together as well, since in all reality they are one and the same thing. Ideally, I see the difference between these two templates, where {{History of Ukraine}} would have articles along the lines of History of Ukraine (1922-1991) and History of Ukraine (1991-Present) as well as events (Ukraine during World War I), with {{Ukrainian statehood}} having articles on the nation-states themselves (as it is now). But we are quite a long way away from having those articles and I figure it is best to keep them merged together for now (until a larger influx of Ukrainian Misplaced Pages editors!!).

Wow! I love the look of the template "Regions of Ukraine". It looks simply great. Some changes should be made, though. It would be better to rename the template to more general description such as subdivisions of Ukraine (currently titled as such, but named differently). Also, some categories are out place. For example, there is no difference between districts of cities with special status or any other cities, all those districts are created in the individual discretion of city government, thus, categories "Districts of cities with special status" and "Districts of regional cities" should be combined into one. Moreover, the city districts pretty much are the same level of subdivision as a conventional districts in Ukraine. I should point out also to the fact that the template does not include an important category of cities of raion (district) significance. That is a unique category for all cities other than of special status and of regional significance. Those cities usually are small and along with urban settlement can be considered as towns, yet unlike those urban settlements, they have a degree of autonomy within a district jurisdiction where they are located. There is very little information available about those cities and analysis of the category. Other than that the template looks more than wonderful - it's simple, easy on an eye, and very informative covering all major aspects of the administrative division of modern Ukraine. Great job!!! Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I've made some tweaks to the template. Merged the two raions (cities w/ special status and cities w/ regional importance together). The only reason I had them separate was because of the way KOATUU had them listed (separately). You're right, either way they are one and the same thing. I also tried to make it easier for the reader by changing "District city" to "District-level city" since it would be easy to confuse the former with "City district" for readers who are not familiar with the administrative scheme of Ukraine. Either way they need to re-do the entire administrative scheme of the country from scratch since all of this confusion is left over from Soviet times!

What do you say about {{Ukrainian statehood}}?

DDima 18:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Great! But there is no need to create a fourth level. Rural settlements (selyshche) do not have any forms of representation or governments, they are like oscillated neighborhoods and usually are part of some settlement council, may it be urban (including city) or rural. I designed a table in the main article about the administrative divisions of Ukraine#Structure based on the 2001 Ukrainian Census. Frankly it is a certain degree of original research as there are no such tables and was created out of a personal perspective. For simplicity the administrative division in Ukraine is based on a structure: region-district-council. Council or "rada" (local name) is a representative body of any settlement and it was inherited from the Soviet administration. Districts are divided into several rural councils (silrada) and/or include other entities such as city councils (miskrada) of district-level cities (district significance) and settlement councils (selyshchna rada). Settlement councils always correspond to urban settlements, therefore other settlements that exist as part of rural councils are not taken into consideration and not mentioned in the Constitution of Ukraine. However that conclusion is based on my own perception and should be reviewed by a real expert, yet I came to it after reading various legislative materials of Verkhovna Rada and conducted a separate web research on the matter. But one should be aware of a fine difference between administrative division and a simple locality. Anyway I hope you will understand where I am coming from. At any rate the look of the template as I said before is terrific and provides an additional appeal aside of technicalities. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:46, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Once I ran across some article about the cities of district significance and wanted to interpret it into the Anglophone Misplaced Pages, but just did not find a time. It is a great article that explained history and reason on creating of such an entity. Maybe later... There also some discussion and I believe a bill on the administrative reform in Ukraine. So, maybe there will be more changes in a future. Considering all your contribution, I feel like you should be aware of all that if did not. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Just wanted to point you folks to this article. Not sure if it would be better to add a Ukraine-specific section to it, or to do Russia and Ukraine on separate pages, as it was done here. Suggestions are welcome. By the by, does Ukraine have urban-type settlements of district significance (i.e., as the administrative divisions equal in status to towns of district significance and selsoviets, only centered around an urban-type settlement)? Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 23, 2013; 19:09 (UTC)

Thanks I appreciate it! I think I've spent more time and effort on designing the templates in my entire wiki-career than writing articles themselves.. Anyway, yeah the whole admin. structure is hard to understand (I still struggle with it sometimes lol) but you seem to have a better grasp of it! I removed the fourth level and tweaked it again "urban-type settlements" >>> "settlement councils" since we are sticking with the region-district-council method.

I've been considering re-writing the entire series of Administrative divisions of Ukraine to reflect consistency between names and terminology because the way it is now only you and me can understand it :) as for the casual reader.. I'm sure they will have a more difficult time understanding.. Anyway, for the past year I've been working on creating articles on Urban-type settlements and lately creating Raion articles for those that don't exist.

DDima 19:16, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Ezhiki, thanks for the link. I just came across your article City of federal subject significance (I was wondering for a while if there were articles like that for Russian territorial subjects). Anyway, it doesn't matter if we keep them separate or together (if separate perhaps rename them to reflect their status in either Ukraine or Russia (Town of district significance (Russia) for instance..)

I'm not sure but I believe something to that of an "urban-type settlement of district significance" does exist in Ukraine, particularly since there is an urban-type settlement of Teofipol (I'll create an article soon..), yet it is the administrative center of Teofipol Raion.. Something to think about.

DDima 19:25, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the information! The reason I asked about the urban-type settlements is that we'll need to organize the Russian/Ukrainian information, if Ukraine has them as well, and it's probably better to do it before hundreds of pages start to link to the new article(s) :) (as they now do to town of district significance).

Anyway, just wanted to let you know that it doesn't really make much difference for WikiProject Russia whether Ukrainian and Russian towns of district significance are covered in one article or separately, but I would appreciate if you could let me know when you decide which way you ultimately want to go. I'll adjust the Russian side accordingly so there are no inter-article conflicts or confusion. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 23, 2013; 19:44 (UTC)

Good pointer from Ezhiki, thank you as well. I wanted to tell that I liked the way certain portions of the article is written about states of Germany. There is a great chart that help to come up with the table for the Ukrainian counterpart (refer to diagram). Also there are several articles on the web, out of which now I can only recall the Inna Bohoslovska's party Viche website, that have discussions about the proposed administrative reform presenting with some explanation on understanding of current situation and why reform would be beneficial. Also, I think that this article should be transformed into more broader one like an index page rather than being a mere page with purpose of disambiguity. About urban settlement of district significance, I must say that there are no such concept. Urban settlements may be administrative centers of districts, but unlike cities they do not have any significance and that is the main difference between them. I might be mistaken, but I never seen or heard such a term. I can say for certain that there is no urban settlements of regional significance. In regards to the discussed template, DDima, I think it looks now as a well-polished one. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Rus' Khaganate

I saw you comment on there and was just wondering, does this article have any justification? I've taken university-level Russian history classes and read Russian history from the big names and never heard of any so-called "Rus Khaganate". Before I go ham on the article, just wondering your opinion since I saw you commenting there a while back--Львівське (говорити) 16:05, 15 February 2013 (UTC) (wasn't sure if i should reply here or on my page)

Rus is an English word just as much as Ruthenia, just the latter is derived from the latin and Rus' from the original slavic. Rus' people and Rus' states tend to pop up more in English sources for this period, whereas 'Ruthenian' starts to be mentioned when you get to the Ruthenian language being adopted in Belarus/Lithuania/Poland, and Medieval texts from western sources (like french or whatever) who refer to the whole lot as Ruthenians.

Anyway, it does seem to be a lot of original research, and I wanted to start by tagging the article for all the source issues (there are a lot of poorly cited, or primary sources) but am already getting reverted immediately so I thought it would be good to ask another active editor just in case I was off-base on this before something errupted. It does seem to be a 'hypothetical' state, and I've already found at least one source saying that the idea of a 'Rus Khaganate' is false. Perhaps there were some khagans up north who were remnants of the khazar rule, or who were in the south mistranslated as 'khagans' due to the linguistics involved, but the idea of a centralized confederation of ruthenian khagans lasting for 100 years just is nonsense.--Львівське (говорити) 14:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

This aritcle really irritates me. They are supposing that a christianization of this 'rus khaganate' occured...hundreds of years years before Vladimir began the process. What? --Львівське (говорити) 03:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm all well aware of the history you mentioned, which is the generally accepted timeline. That said, I think my concern was that this 'christianization' article is listed on the infobox for russian history along with the khaganate part. a) two theories shouldnt be in the general russian history box, and b) the christianization article should deal with rus people, not just this theoretical alliance of tribes/states. It's weird to dedicate an article to a fragment of a fragment.--Львівське (говорити) 04:47, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

More digging. It's looking like it existed, not as the sources describe on the article (that is iffy), but a union between kazar exiles and varangians happened in 830. It was not, however, a precursor to kievan rus, which formed independently in 882 by different varangians, and incorporated the upper volga territory of the 'rus kaganate' into itself.--Львівське (говорити) 01:46, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Funny you mention the celtic origin, in the Magocsi book I'm using as reference he notes a few scholars who believe in the celtic theory for Rus' origins, as opposed to the Norman and anti-Norman schools. As far as the khaganate goes, it does in fact seem to be an actual group of varangians who were influenced by khazar exiles, which makes sense, but it as a state was not a progenitor of the kiev state - it was just another small tribal grouping that was swallowed up when Oleh/g consolidated the territory.--Львівське (говорити) 22:57, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

It's like you're reading the book in front of me....there's also this french connection, I'll end up retyping it for the purpose of the kievan rus article (which btw, along with the khaganate article, are being reverted instantly)--Львівське (говорити) 00:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

By all accounts I've read, the 'khagan' title was only used in by this one polity in the upper volga / rostov region, not ukraine (where it would have been used by actual khazars, not rus').--Львівське (говорити) 00:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hey. I don't see the need of having a separate category for this purpose; Category:Neighborhoods and raions of Kiev serves this purpose quite well; everything is combined and particularly since some articles (like Obolon Raion, cover the "administrative entity" along with the "historical neighborhood" in one article)...

Also, per the consensus on Talk:Raions of Ukraine on not changing instances of "raion" to "district", this category should be at Category:Raions of Kiev, and we should create a separate Category:Neighborhoods of Kiev if we were to go the separate route. It just makes sense to keep uniformity throughout the articles among Ukraine-related topics and not confuse the casual browsing reader, like using the term "raion" over "district" in almost all instances.. DDima 18:23, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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About "Suffragan" and "vicar"

Dear Aleksandr you made a wrong corrections, because. Suffragan bishop in the current Canon Law of the Latin Church (CIC 1983) not exists, only coadjutor and auxiliary bishops (see: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P1F.HTM). Another things is suffragan diocese, but in this cause in has nothing with bishop Nil Lushchak. The article Suffragan bishop wrote somebody without needing specifications (in the part of the Catholic Church). Also the vicar bishop is only in CIC, but not in CCEO (Canon Low for Eastern Catholic Church). In anyway, impossible to use for eastern hierarch (not prelate!) or member of eparchy (not diocese) CIC terminology. Only the CCEO terminology. But I agree, that very often it's confuse, especially in Misplaced Pages --Noel baran (talk) 09:06, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I never heard about it. I read several articles on church administration and never ran across. It's interesting to know. It is good that you keep a watch on it. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, very often and the Latin Catholic canonists not have a very sensibility in the Oriental Catholic matters. But the Orientals (as me), who are minority (near 1%), very attentive in these things:). --Noel baran (talk) 12:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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Ok, so before I waste our time with AfD, can you try to make this pass WP:COMPANY? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you that it is probably notable, but still as written the article fails to show it. Can you find any mentions of the company in mainstream, reliable sources? Mainstream Ukrainian media would be enough. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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Go to go to page 27 (type it in at the top), and look under number 6. GD is used first when teams are tied on points. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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You have been reverted about 7 times now and should be blocked. Theoretically montenegro can still be 2nd. QED237 (talk) 21:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Please read the regulations here on page 25, and the article 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification#Tiebreakers, it is goal differential! QED237 (talk) 21:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I responded on my talkpage. You seem to miss b).... QED237 (talk) 21:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

FIFA Tiebreak

1. goal difference in all group matches 2. greater number of goals scored in all group matches 3. greater number of points obtained in matches between the tied teams 4. goal difference in matches between the tied teams 5. greater number of goals scored in matches between the tied teams 6. greater number of away goals scored in matches between the tied teams if only two teams are tied
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