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Nomination of Money as Debt for deletion

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Kriya and Kriya Yoga pages

Hi there Yworo we have a problem on the Kriya and Kriya Yoga pages with a new editor who is deleting material and adding his own view point. He even changed a direct quote. I have reverted him and tried to work with him - asking him to bring desired changes to the talk page. I just reverted him a second time again asking him to bring his ideas to the talk page. Please come see. https://en.wikipedia.org/Kriya_Yoga and https://en.wikipedia.org/Kriy%C4%81 Thank you! Red Rose 13 (talk) 04:36, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you once again Yworo - they look so much better. On the Kriya page, however I did notice that in the first paragraph it still says that KYoga was not mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita. I can correct it or it might be better if you did. Thanks Red Rose 13 (talk) 16:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
  • it seems the editor is at a library moving from computer to computer. Perhaps we need a team of reverters? Let me know. Now he is reverting both Kriya and Kriya Yoga pageRed Rose 13 (talk) 11:19, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
    • Dynamic IP. Hard to block... Yworo (talk) 15:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

• More editors are adding external links - not sure which is appropriate and which is not. They have been reverted 3 times now Red Rose 13 (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Please post a new section when you contact me after some time. I almost nearly miss these updates in a previous section, because I don't see a new post at the bottom of my page, which is where I am looking. Yworo (talk) 22:44, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Yatrides biography

Hidden information and possible consequential damages. Situation to be remedied before the situation deteriorates.

Whether or not you check my messages are now about 37 months during which my biography irrefutable have been manipulated by moderators Misplaced Pages. My biography appears in 06 important dictionaries, which erases the integrity of Misplaced Pages infancy. This leads me to decide that the behavior moderators intervened in this situation will be published in the press. Including the message of the day. Here, again, "yatrides.com" and "yatrides.org" consist only of material information, press articles etc.. scanned in "Authentic Yatrides". Movies, different country reports, TV News mid-day and evening, are neither YouTubes or FaceBook or Tweeters or any other possible advertising. However they can not afford any deviation: this type of disorder is typically technical Misplaced Pages.

In very first action Wikimedia France and USA are aware of my discontent and refusal to let me defamed. Moreover these maneuvers are damage to many of my collectors, they are over 300 very modest, the same should be considered the preeminent collections including stand Basil Butler British Petroleum and John Foster Dulles and many others of equal value who have acquired my works. And harm to myself.

In my 82 years that I am forced to endure such slander can not remain hidden. Considering that last word, obscure information is a very serious offense which carry heavy penalties that their prejudices may be multidimensional in different situations close consequential or not. What moderators seem to ignore. Whether to seek damages, considering my work with oil reaching record highs, it is possible that the scenery of the Yatrides / Misplaced Pages relationship changes.

I'm not litigious (see ArtPrice> Authentic Yatrides), but the manipulations on the events determined by my professional life, which represent my biography, must stop on Misplaced Pages USA including Misplaced Pages France where an US moderator has deleted my biography which become wrong / false.

Sincerely,

Georges Yatrides October 03, 2013 --Yatrides (talk) 17:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

What goes in your biography is not up to you. What sources are deemed acceptable is not up to you. And you seem to have just make another legal threat. See ya! Yworo (talk) 19:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Bristol Perseus

Explained it once this month already. User_talk:Andy_Dingley#MOS.3F Andy Dingley (talk) 22:37, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

And you're wrong. It's well established that Sisterproject links are external links and the "External links" is the prefered placement for them. The MoS says: don't use the boxes in the external links section if there isn't enough room, and then to consider using the inline link in the external links section. Edit warrior. Yworo (talk) 22:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

So it's "well established that the guideline should be ignored"? You, and this sort of stupid and incorrect (and to be honest, plain bloody ugly) edit are just what is wrong with you and the cabal that monopolise the aircraft project. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

This is what the MoS says, have you read it lately?

"If ... there are not any external links except sister project ones, then consider using "inline" templates, such as {{Commons-inline}} in the "External links" section, so that links to sister projects appear as list items, like this:"

• [REDACTED] Media related to wikimedia foundation at Wikimedia Commons

It is entirely permissable and I am ignoring no guidelines, you are. Yworo (talk) 22:51, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

"Consider", not mandate. Also this is in the context of links in the plural, whereas this is singular. The point is obviously to avoid the problem of box-stacking when there is an excess of such links, most commonly a problem for text-based articles where Wikisource etc. get involved too.

There is no way to interpret that guideline on the size of box to use as over-riding the earlier proscription on creating an EL section solely to hold a Commons link. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:56, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

It specifically say "do not create a section only for boxes". It encourages creating a section for inline links!!! Yworo (talk) 22:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

"Do not make a section whose sole content is box-type templates." It does not say, don't make a section for solely for sister project links. You are misreading it. The prohibition on a "solely for" section only applies to BOXES. Yworo (talk) 23:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Allen H. Greenfield

Re this edit summary: not true. And whether they exist online or not is irrelevant: the relevancy is not determined by availability; your argument would apply to an External links section, which is kind of what this is, in disguise (so that WP:EL does not apply?). We're not a repository for links: not every article by a writer is worth noting, just as not every individual poem or bit part is worth noting. It's a matter of editorial argument and editors may disagree; but I note that these articles are not really found in notable journals or magazines, and they're not even referred to in the article itself. Plus, you have an article with three unreferenced paragraphs and the rest is all links (plus a quote farm), and a reference section that doesn't seem to reference a thing. The three "notes" are laughably unreliable. Typical semi-self-sourced vanity article for an unimportant person. If you want to improve the article, add some reliable sources and reviews. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

• Imagine what Hans Holzer would look like if all his articles and books were listed. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I see articles with such listings all the time. What makes you think these are all of this subject's works? I wouldn't assume that. Yworo (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Jody Broomfield

Hi. I notice your revert on the Jody Broomfield article. I'm guessing you have much more knowledge of this area than I do. I've posted a note at Talk:Jody Broomfield#First Nations heritage to discuss. Your comments there would be very much appreciated. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 18:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

There is no citation in the article confirming his First Nations status, native name, First Nations place of birth, ancestry or anything other that than he works in a Coast Salish style. Details and citations are needed in order to call him First Nations rather than Canadian. I believe he is a Canadian artist who uses First Nations techiniques and styles, but I could be wrong. Cite. Cite Cite. Yworo (talk) 19:01, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

MilesMoney talk page

I've noticed your interactions with User:MilesMoney on his talk page. My admittedly unsolicited but well-meaning suggestion is that you back away from posting there. It is unlikely that you will persuade him of anything and the interaction is just fueling hostility. I would suggest you only post there if you need to place a notice that is necessary to a specific process (e.g., a WP:3RR warning, or a notification of a discussion per WP:ANI or WP:CANVASS). Just my two cents. --RL0919 (talk) 22:22, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Great, then you warn him that it's not acceptable to change other editor's comments, even their headings, even on his talk page. I'd have no problem with him removing the section, which is his right and what he said he was going to do. Yworo (talk) 22:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

His heading is, of course, also a personal attack. Obviously, I first posted after he reverted my edit, but before I saw that he had reverted his. I don't refresh my Watchlist every few seconds, after all. Yworo (talk) 22:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not defending any edit or statement of his. I'm just saying that it seems like you aren't getting anything except frustration out of posting to his talk page, so better to just stop posting there unless you really need to. --RL0919 (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I'm perfectly satisfied with what I'm getting. Yworo (talk) 00:19, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Paramahansa Yogananda page

While rereading the page today a few things occurred to me:

(1) Legacy means anything handed down from the past, as from an ancestor or predecessor. Yogananda's legacy is his teachings, written works, lessons, books, meditation techniques etc... and he himself created Self-Realization Fellowship/Yogoda Satsanga Society of India and clearly stated their purpose.

(2) Direct disciple section lists prominent direct disciples - (a) why do we have four direct disciples listed in the legacy section when they really should be in the direct disciple section? (b) Also, if we give a few sentences to four direct disciples, why not to them all especially ones who were involved in his work? (c) is this page about Yogananda or his direct disciples?

What are you thoughts?Red Rose 13 (talk) 05:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed

your nice, rather complex, clean-up at Felicitas Goodman and thought I’d mention my appreciation. Your edits show up on my watchlist quite a lot, always doing good things. I’ve figured you as being a northern NM person, so here is a northern NM quiz. What do these two pictures have in common? File:Felicitas Goodman and student, ca. 1988.jpg and File:Lisa Law & unidentified woman.jpg
Meanwhile this just showed up on my watchlist. It is probably worth a check.

(diff | hist) . . Chimayo, New Mexico‎; 21:22 . . (+45)‎ . . ‎Esteban1952 (talk | contribs)‎ (→‎Drug problems)

Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'd _like_ to be in northern NM... can't seem to stay there... was in Taos May 2010 - July 2012. Now in Portland, OR, probably until my daughter graduates from high school... Not sure what the pics have in common, actually... Yworo (talk) 20:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Weather here right now is about like I imagine Portland to be like (cool & rainy) The above question was sort of a trick one, tossed out very spur of the moment, the "unidentified woman" in both pictures, NOT the person that the articles are about, is the same person, a quarter of a century apart. Carptrash (talk) 18:44, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I suspected as much, but wasn't sure. It would be easier if she were identified. :-) Yworo (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Identified? And I'd be sleeping on the couch. Carptrash (talk) 15:16, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Ha ha! Yworo (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Vedanta Society

Hi Yworo, I noticed that you removed the list of Vedanta Societies, referencing "Not a directory" and "external links". I agree that the list seems to violate the second point, of not having external links in an article. However, I don't see that any of the seven points given in "not a directory" quite pertain to the list in question. Rather, the list appears to me to be quite helpful in indicating the scope of the Vedanta Society's reach, and belongs in Misplaced Pages. So maybe the list can be restored, removing the external links? Devadaru (talk) 22:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, we do not make lists of branches of a membership society. That's for _them_ to do, on their main website. Then we can link to it. What are the sources for this? And don't say the individual websites themselves, we need third-party sources. Yworo (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Sigh . . . well, okay, I guess you are right. I added a link to a list on the Belur Math site of their centers, and to the two societies with[REDACTED] pages of their own. Best wishes — Devadaru (talk) 00:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Best to point to a fresher source than us. Addresses, phone numbers, contact person change. Who's going to keep the article up to date? Yworo (talk) 02:10, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Kundalini

Hi Yworo Kundalini energy talk needs your input. Someone created a disambiguation page without bringing to a discussion first. Half thinks Kundalini should be one page and the other half want Kundalini Yoga to have its own page. I wrote - Kundalini is clearly the primary topic with everything else listed under it. Kundalini energy or kundalini yoga or kundalini awakening or kundalini meditation etc... would not exist without Kundalini. It makes complete logical sense that Kundalini is the primary topic. I also think the page should just be called Kundalini with kundalini energy being a subtopic.Red Rose 13 (talk) 14:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

interesting when I tried to create a link to Kundalini Energy - the name of the page - the words showed as red - I will leave one so you can seeRed Rose 13 (talk) 14:35, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

You have to use the same capitalization as the article title: our rules are only first word and proper nouns should be capitalized (same for headings). So it's Kundalini energy, with the energy uncapitalized. Yworo (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Right - thanks...I fixed it - what do you think of the discussion?Red Rose 13 (talk) 00:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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San Francisco de Asis Mission Church

Thanks for correcting that; I think the others are OK. Adobe construction is an unusual category; one subcat for California and the main cat covers the rest of the world (including New Mexico) without the usual “by country” category. Hugo999 (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Refactoring talk comments

The problem with the edit conflict at Template talk:WikiLeaks was that you were refactoring your talk page comments. Please refrain from doing that, as I had already replied. It would be better to make a new comment. StAnselm (talk) 02:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

No, I saved before you got the ec. You handled the conflict incorrectly, by force saving. I am allowed to edit my comment until you post yours. You had not posted when I hit save. Yworo (talk) 02:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The relevant guideline is WP:REDACT. StAnselm (talk) 02:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I am allowed to redact before you reply. You had not replied yet. Look at the fucking history WP:DICK. Yworo (talk) 02:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)