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:I saw it was already listed for AfD, so I think it's best to just let that run its course. The article is certainly a great deal larger than the version I deleted as A10. —] (]) 16:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC) | :I saw it was already listed for AfD, so I think it's best to just let that run its course. The article is certainly a great deal larger than the version I deleted as A10. —] (]) 16:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC) | ||
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I apologize for my use of profanity, but I was the only one who bothered enhancing the Sean Harris' page, listing his films and his television work. It's infuriating, when people edit, not only ruining the format but changing the years (Beware the Night to be specific, as it is slated for 2015 not 2014) and trying to advertise his work on the page. I will continue to uphold his page. Every movie that is on his list can be directly referenced to IMDB, I do not accept the use of his earlier short films because there are no references, no proof and no information that would exonerate such claims. I am going to uphold the site, and will refrain from my profanity. I don't even know who's editing the page, but it's seriously making me angry. |
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Thanks for your answer, I'd really like to know what I should do in such cases when editors refuse to communicate and carry on with their disruptive behavior. <rant>Sometimes I have the feeling that new editors are coddled on the expense of the older ones who are expected to clean up after them without complaining.</rant> --Jaellee (talk) 23:46, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- I certainly wasn't trying to say that you shouldn't complain -- it looks like that user may indeed be editing disruptively. You did the right thing by trying to talk to him first, and them requesting assistance when that failed. The thing is, disruptive editing isn't vandalism, so it doesn't get reported at ANI. There are a variety of places you can report disruptive editing, depending on the exact nature of the problem: WP:ANI is for general misbehavior (and probably where I'd recommend you bring this case), WP:ANEW is for edit warring, WP:BLPN is for biography-specific problems, and so on.
- The benefit to using these correct forums is that the community, by discussion, can implement other "sanctions" besides just a plain block. For example, an editor can be topic banned after discussion at ANI. One decision might be to topic-ban the editor from modifying infoboxes, or topic-ban him from football -- and if he violates a topic ban, then he'd have to be blocked. That way, the problem is corrected but he's still given the opportunity to edit constructively in other areas of the project. —Darkwind (talk) 00:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
FYI - My Comments Regarding External Links, Red Links, etc.
Your point was taken and I thank you for your tips. However, I wonder if your interpretation of red links is mistaken. The page you pointed me to states:
- "Although red links to notable topics are permitted in lists and other articles, do not overlink in the mainspace solely for use as an article creation guide. Instead, editors are encouraged to consider Write the article first, or to use WikiProjects or user spaces to keep track of unwritten articles.
- Articles should not have red links to topics that are not likely to have an article..."
I note that the links I added were to substantive pages which have no direct equivalent within Misplaced Pages. I further note that the articles in question are not listed on your user page under "Articles I plan on creating".
It goes without saying that where a Misplaced Pages page exists on a subject, one should link to that page rather than an external site on the same topic. Even if the Misplaced Pages page is of lower quality than an external source, it is incumbent on the conscientious Misplaced Pages editor to improve that page rather than simply linking to an external source. I take your point in that regard and wholeheartedly agree with you. If I inadvertently linked to an external source where a Misplaced Pages page was available, I apologize for doing so.
That being said, we all have a limited amount of time to spend editing Misplaced Pages, and it might never be possible to create Misplaced Pages page about every case decided by the Canadian courts. Until an internal page is available, it is my position that Misplaced Pages is improved by limited use of relevant external links where no analogous page exists on Misplaced Pages itself.
Misplaced Pages's rules regarding external links generally are not as inflexible as you suggest. The page you sent me to reads as follows:
- Some external links are welcome (see What can normally be linked, below), but it is not Misplaced Pages's purpose to include a lengthy or comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. No page should be linked from a Misplaced Pages article unless its inclusion is justifiable according to this guideline and common sense. The burden of providing this justification is on the person who wants to include an external link.
It is my position that a limited number of relevant external links are not only helpful but necessary in order for Misplaced Pages to be informative as opposed to misleading. This is particularly the case in the legal field where a single leading case might not provide a complete and up-to-date understanding of the law. For example, Misplaced Pages has a page on the Askov case but no page on the Morin case, even though Morin significantly refined the law and is arguably the most relevant authority today under Section 11(b) of the Charter. Any website which provides its users with a summary of Askov but fails to so much as link to Morin is actually doing a great disservice by misleading its readers. Clearly, the inclusion of such a link (as opposed to a dead-end "red link") is "justifiable according to (Misplaced Pages's) guideline and common sense".
Unfortunately, there are countless instances on Misplaced Pages where relevant and necessary information is simply missing. Ideally, many of these gaps can eventually be filled by diligent editors such as yourself. Practically speaking, however, there will always be external sources which contain information that Misplaced Pages doesn't. Where this is the case, I maintain that the limited placement of relevant external links is "justifiable according to (Misplaced Pages's) guideline and common sense". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.54.230 (talk) 21:56, 3 November 2013 PST
- First, you're talking to the wrong editor. It was User:Singularity42 who wrote you the thorough explanation of the problem with your edits. I just saw you inserting links into the body of an article and removed them, because of WP:ELPOINTS number #2:
- "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article. Instead, include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable."
- The footnote 1 reads:
- "Exceptions are rare. Links to Wiktionary and Wikisource can sometimes be useful. Other exceptions include use of templates like {{visualizer}}, which produces charts on the Toolserver, and {{external media}}, which is only used when non-free and non-fair use media cannot be uploaded to Misplaced Pages."
- If you believe that the page you're linking to supplies information to support the statement/sentence in the Misplaced Pages article, use <ref> tags to use it as a reference -- although, again, we already have preferred ways to refer to Canadian court cases, which is CanLII. Continually inserting links to your own website, disregarding ELPOINTS#2, makes it look like you're just trying to generate page views, and not actually improve the article. —Darkwind (talk) 06:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
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I already sent the same message to Singularity42, just thought I'd send a copy to you also, just for your information and so you understand my position. The last thing I want to do is to spam Misplaced Pages. I maintain that the links in question are not only useful, but necessary in order for the page to present a complete picture of the relevant law. CanLII links are useful for those who want to delve into a case, but many not be as helpful to a lay reader who simply wants the meaning and effect of the case distilled for their convenience. The links I added are designed to make the law accessible to readers, and to complement the purpose of Misplaced Pages.
I will wait for a response from Singularity42 before attempting any further edits to the page. Thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.54.230 (talk) 06:24, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Modify problem
hi: I modified the page:https://en.wikipedia.org/Itsu but you always told me that my recent edits do not conform to wiki policies and reverted the page as previous. I don't know what the problem is! I just help a client of mine modifying his wiki page,all the content and picture are legal. Could you tell me where the problem is as soon as possible, and if you can tell in Chinese that would be great. thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsoho (talk • contribs) 13:17, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
How to modify?
hi: Thanks for reply. As you say:You should not be editing a Misplaced Pages article on behalf of a client. It means I can't modify this page at all? or do I have another way to modify this page? I saw the Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest,it seems that if I write my name and purpose under the bottom of the page,and it could be OK? This is my first time modify the wiki page,please tell me more,I'll very appreciate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsoho (talk • contribs) 13:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- You are replying to the wrong editor. User:McGeddon is the one who is talking with you on your page. Please reply there. —Darkwind (talk) 14:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Did you forget?
On AN/3RR, you say you blocked User:Johnny Squeaky, yet he's posting away ... ES&L 02:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- I had to take action from my admin account, which I'll likely get in trouble for. I'll assume you had technical or family issues to tend to ... and take my lumps if they come ES&L 02:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'll leave a note in the block log. I have no problem with it. (and yes, it was a minor emergency that pulled me away) —Darkwind (talk) 02:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Damn. Yes, I must have overlooked actually doing the block, and my attention was called elsewhere right afterward. —Darkwind (talk) 02:51, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you for your support
Thank you for your support in keeping the HBC AIV helperbots alive. I haven't been particularly active lately however I will get around to messaging you to assist with moving my instance to Labs (seeing as yours is working perfectly). Sincerely, — JamesR 23:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- The reason mine seems to be working so well is largely because I have a 20-minute cron set to kill and restart it, which is an incredibly kludgy workaround to the log-out problem. That being said, I'm happy to help. —Darkwind (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hello would you mind clearing the backlog over at WP:AIV, it's very backlogged at the moment. You're the recent admin on. ///EuroCarGT 02:46, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Done, thanks for letting me know. —Darkwind (talk) 04:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Malik Allahyar Khan
Hello, most of the information provided here that I have removed was spurious and incorrect and was entirely unreferenced. If someone wants to readd or add new information please give detailed and reliable references in support. Thank you. 39.54.13.232 (talk) 04:40, 13 November 2013 (UTC)Hilda Khan
- The article is redundant to Malik Allahyar Khan anyway, so I've tagged it for deletion. In the future, please use a more complete edit summary such as "removing unsourced content" to show that your removal/deletion was on purpose. —Darkwind (talk) 04:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Quite right, just saw, thanks. Will do thanks. 39.54.13.232 (talk) 04:43, 13 November 2013 (UTC)Hilda Khan
Unblock message
Thank you kindly for the correspondence. Every time I have had an issue, the Wiki community responds promptly and it is great!--Soulparadox (talk) 04:59, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Re: Your message on my talk page
YouTube isn't the source I was citing. Dale Martin's lecture series, which Yale University makes available to the public via YouTube, is my source. The source would have been reliable with or without the YouTube link, but it's a lot more useful to the reader with the link. Justification by faith alone (talk) 11:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
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Regarding Jay Prakash Narayan;s death.
Dear mam,
Recently I had made some corrections about the death of jayprakash Narayan.
I got that information from the link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o4FxEMrFIs please see that particular link and you will get answer about his death.
Thank you Hemant Patil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.192.3 (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
User:Jumpika025
I give her a nice comments, and I work on believed friends. And... oh, and Darkwind, You don't think I'm put in is not working? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumpika025 (talk • contribs) 19:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Huggle 3
Hey Darkwind! I am Petrb, one of core developers of Huggle, the antivandalism tool, which you are beta testing (according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/Huggle/Members#Beta_testers). I am happy to announce that Huggle 3 is ready for some testing. You can read more about it at WP:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta. Please keep in mind that this is a development version and it is not ready for regular use. That means you must:
- Watch your contribs - when anything happens you didn't want, fix it and report a bug
- Frequently checkout source code and build latest version, we change it a lot
If you find any problem with a feature that is supposed to work perfectly, please let us know. Some features are not ready yet, it is listed in known problems on Huggle3 beta page, you don't need to report these - we know it! So, that's it. Have fun testing and please let us know about any problems, either using bugzilla @ http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ or #huggle . Please respond to my talk page, I am not going to watch your talk page. Thank you Petrb (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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Speedy deletions
Hi there! Thanks for letting me know. Will I have to go through a standard contested deletion for this, Skrillex Vinyl Box Set and Skrillex Presents: Free Treats - Volume: 001? A certain user's gone a bit trigger-happy creating pages for every single Skrillex release even when they're blatantly unimportant and lack notability. I'd assumed there would be a speedy deletion tag for this but clearly not! DJUnBalanced (talk) 19:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, you'll either have to try PROD or do a full AFD for those. The existing CSD criteria have consensus because they are situations where (broadly speaking) nobody but the page creator would object to the deletion if it were actually proposed for discussion. Historically, there has always been controversy, or at least extensive discussion, when deciding whether to delete a musical recording by a notable artist -- so there's no CSD criterion for that situation. —Darkwind (talk) 19:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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Sweet Jesus, I will figure this out sooner or later.. Thanks for your patience!
User:Krishna Singh Thakur
FYI: This user has not only recreated their promotional user page after you deleted it, they have now added additional promotion and contact info to their talk page. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 21:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Blocked and deleted again. —Darkwind (talk) 21:23, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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A10 Speedy of Helicopter Parents and the Media
Helicopter Parents and the Media - it came back. I can't see original. Both were created by new editors that joined apparently only to create that page. Talk page says it is a school project. --DHeyward (talk) 06:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- I saw it was already listed for AfD, so I think it's best to just let that run its course. The article is certainly a great deal larger than the version I deleted as A10. —Darkwind (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Sean Harris
I apologize for my use of profanity, but I was the only one who bothered enhancing the Sean Harris' page, listing his films and his television work. It's infuriating, when people edit, not only ruining the format but changing the years (Beware the Night to be specific, as it is slated for 2015 not 2014) and trying to advertise his work on the page. I will continue to uphold his page. Every movie that is on his list can be directly referenced to IMDB, I do not accept the use of his earlier short films because there are no references, no proof and no information that would exonerate such claims. I am going to uphold the site, and will refrain from my profanity. I don't even know who's editing the page, but it's seriously making me angry.