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DYK ... that ], the artist behind the painting at the top of this page, was an ethnic German yet a Swedish citizen by birth? He was born in ] and kept his Swedish citizenship and passport all his life, in spite of never living in Sweden. ] ] 22:07, 24 November 2013 (UTC) <small>''(The section header '''did''' say "trivia"; his Swedish nationality and life-long fascination with Sweden is for some reason not mentioned at all on en-WP, while being prominently mentioned, in a separate section, on de-WP, where I read it...)''</small> DYK ... that ], the artist behind the painting at the top of this page, was an ethnic German yet a Swedish citizen by birth? He was born in ] and kept his Swedish citizenship and passport all his life, in spite of never living in Sweden. ] ] 22:07, 24 November 2013 (UTC) <small>''(The section header '''did''' say "trivia"; his Swedish nationality and life-long fascination with Sweden is for some reason not mentioned at all on en-WP, while being prominently mentioned, in a separate section, on de-WP, where I read it...)''</small>

== Transformers AFD ==

Hi Dr. Mies. How are you? I couldn't help but notice that you nominated some Transformers articles for deletion en masse. Good job. You do realize that that was my "thing" for a while, back in like 2010 and part of 2011, right? How did you even discover the Transformers articles? Well in any case, good job. ] (]) 00:11, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Big mess at Colon cleansing

Words fail me! Geoff 23:24, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Dat title though... Oo Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
    • This is Misplaced Pages at its most bizarrely and exponentially dysfunctional. A (female) new editor shows up with a bunch of inappopriate, promotional edits. A more established editor offers to help and advocates for her on the article talkpage... while taking advantage of the interaction to hit on the new editor repeatedly and creepily. The way this was handled by DangerMouse is pretty shameful. A reputable volunteer organization would shitcan someone in a heartbeat for that sort of boundary violation. I feel very bad for the new editor - while her content concerns were way off-base, it's appalling that her concerns were used as a pretext to flirt with her. MastCell  23:45, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I saw that section, and was reminded to buy fiber pills at Publix. Those are expensive, by the way. Whoa, MastCell--is this handled already? I'm waiting for dinner to warm up so I'm a bit pressed for time. You know the rules: block first, then ban, then ask questions. Drmies (talk) 23:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
    • I don't really think it's been handled; I'm involved, so I'm not really free to act as an admin here. It's a little hard to make sense of everything, since neither editor has the clearest communication style, but I think User:Alexbrn's summary in the AN/I thread is pretty thorough. There's more on Alexbrn's talkpage, for instance this, which is worth looking at should you have the time/inclination to get involved. Again, while I think that the new editor came here for the wrong reasons, the reception she got is really disappointing and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. MastCell  00:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
      • MastCell, I don't like blocking for level-4 stupidity, and this is the closest I've gotten. I commented at the ANI thread after looking over a couple of the issues and diffs. No doubt there's more that could be said, and perhaps action that could be taken. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Drmies, I like the dogs over here! (Men will use any pretext for flirtation. Just sayin' ! I asked an old Wikifriend once why I got hit on so often in email from guys who have never seen a picture of me and have no idea if I weigh 300 lbs or whatever ... he explained to me how guys' imaginations work ... something about it doesn't matter if I really weigh 300 lbs, and that not being the point ... anyway ... could you put up a chocolate lab, pls ??) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I don't do the canine decoration around here. Warrington does. I betcha a lot of "guys" like 300-pound women; I cannot easily recap the conversation I was privy to in the Y today, but the speaker was a 300+ pound woman, and it had something to do with male companions and odd requests by additional male companions. It's weird, this internet thing--I remember getting hit on by some woman from Fresno in one of the old Napster chat rooms. Anyways, if you want to...know what I'm saying...chat a bit...he he he...you can find me on IRC...my handle is Dr. Lovemachine... Drmies (talk) 02:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
    • Well, I finally caught up there-- see my message below. It wasn't at all funny, and oversight is not done. I hate IRC btw-- don't know what it is, where to find it, how to use it, just know it's the place where abusive blocks and meatpuppetry are cooked up. Glad MastCell cleaned up that mess of an article. Best, 16:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't remember if I had ever posted here before, so went looking ... and found this. I'm a genius. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I did not hit on that user! And I have told her over, and over, and over what to do! And I complimented on IRC, and she laughed at it, anyway , I am done with the drama, retiring for good from WMF. You can block me or whatever as you please, I have apologized for it you're just making it a bigger scene. Doc James read the emails, and he know what I have done, and what I am talking about. Danger^Mouse (talk) 09:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Help needed at some fucking articles

Do you have an interest in Fucking Machines? I personally know Madarax does. If so, you can help out a good article nominee. To tired out, especially after your colon cleansing, you can watch a bunch of people Fuck in the comfort of your own home. After you are done watching, you can help out a featured article nominee. Bgwhite (talk) 03:02, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Fuck my old boots, that's one detailed article! Ritchie333 11:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi--how's your colon?

I have emailed the entire copy paste of my conversation with that user to Doc James, and Oversight, and I will not longer engage with that user or on that article, moving on, had this discussion with ^Darkwind^ as well, the user got my email on IRC, and I should have stopped somewhere in the e-mail, you will understand it better, once you get hold of it. Danger^Mouse (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Please don't send it to me: I don't want to read it. The things you outline above are requisite steps, but it is more important to me that you do not allow yourself to get into such situations in the first place. Based on what I know about this case (which is as much as I want to know), I think you should stay away from off-wiki channels of communication about on-wiki stuff: stay out of IRC is my advice. You're not the first one to get into trouble over it, and you won't be the last, but you can make sure it doesn't happen to you again. There's plenty of other chatrooms on the internet, and plenty of other topics to chat about. Drmies (talk) 13:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Like I said, I went too deep, won't be repeated. And I have apologized for it.- Danger^Mouse (talk) 14:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Good. Thank you. Mind you, other admins and editors may feel differently: I am speaking for myself here, and I will leave to someone else to decide whether to close the ANI thread. Drmies (talk) 14:35, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Alright, thank you Drmies, by the way good to see you again, well next time hopefully without any sort of drama on my part. -Danger^Mouse (talk) 15:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
IDangerMouse, Sandy, below, pointed out that you need to go back and make sure you caught all the examples and identified them to an oversighter. I revdeleted one example on Misplaced Pages talk:Administrators' noticeboard, which needs to be oversighted as well. Please do that as soon as you can, and as thoroughly as you can. Drmies (talk) 18:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I finally took the time to catch up on this, see that it wasn't funny at all, see that MastCell and Doc James cleaned up the article ... and was easily able to find the person's name, which has not been oversighted. Somebody isn't done cleaning up after themselves. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

thank you both. I couldn't find anything. Going to bed. And I am confused about numbers etc..Danger^Mouse (talk) 20:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Found this >>https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Colon_cleansing&diff=prev&oldid=580329301 Danger^Mouse (talk) 20:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks; that's dealt with already. Numbers? Sandy, I'm glad I made such an impact. Tell your dh I'm happy for him. And it's not just boys--Sippi likes to tell stories about a snake that circled the bowl. Drmies (talk) 21:40, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
curse you, drmies ... I actually spent some real time in a Wilderness Area as a child ... ya know, with real rattlesnakes and shit ... and I have ample experience with outhouses, and phobias about snakes in them. I shall unwatch if you continue to taunt with stories on women's accomplishments. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Over sight >> https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=581787387 Thank you Danger^Mouse (talk) 07:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Running?

I was wondering if you'd like to alienate yourself from just about everybody and permanently sour your Wiki experience (and possibly all other aspects of your life) by being an arbitrator for a couple of years. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 17:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I like the shameless act of flirtation, but beware, Turandot has 3 questions for candidates ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Go Bulldogs! --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 17:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
For shits and giggles I read Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2013/Candidates/Floquenbeam/Questions. That's a lot of questions, even after Floq avoided the hard ones (haha!). Can I just sign my name and say per Floq? (Gerda, I would probably give a very similar answer to yours...) Drmies (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I would love competition :) Secret 18:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Support the draft-Drmies-movement. (Of course, if you win, you become dead to us all, as Anthony mentioned in the first part. :-)   You can absolutely skip answering the vast series of questions; that will lose you some votes, but this is a horrible dirty job that nobody wants, so that may not matter much, with all the open seats. But my advice is to treat every question as an opportunity: answer them as if they were the question you *wished* had been asked, not necessarily as they *were* asked. <grin> p.s. Okay, it's a ton of work, but you should try to answer all the questions that aren't repetitive... feel free to be terse (grammarz is SO not important heer), and to say "per above" if the same question keeps coming up again and again, o'course. Hope this helps. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 19:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I think I might even appreciate someone who answers "XYZ gave a good answer" with a link to there, saves me reading time and tells me who has similar thoughts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you should consider it. Though I would prefer that you answered at least my questions :) --Rschen7754 21:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

When I ran last year I found the tedious mountain of questions that almost nobody actually reads the answers to to be the most annoying part of the entire experience. The field is indeed looking a bit thin, and given recent developments this seems like a good year for "ArbCom outsiders" to be running. Of course as a functionary I would expect preferential treatment if you did get elected. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
The questions are just like the "evidence" presented at ArbCom cases. Nobody bothers to read it, not even the arbitrators, everyone comes with their preconceptions and votes accordingly. Eric Corbett 21:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't know, Eric--I give the Arbs a bit more credit than that. How about I be a refreshingly new candidate who promises to break the system wide open from the inside and really makes a difference, really makes your vote count and your voice heard? Yes! I'm so different from all the others! <hugs puppie> I think I promised puppies to everyone when I ran from the board, and I didn't win that either. Drmies (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't. You can predict the outcome of pretty much any case based on the arbitrators involved, without troubling yourself by looking at the evidence. Eric Corbett 22:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Drmies, if you would look at evidence you would make THE difference to what I experienced, go for it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Drmies, stop being so shy about your poor result last time. Man up and stand this time, then everyone will see that fine young men like yourself are more thoughtful than the sillies who pretend to be involved. I certainly didn't think any less of you after the results of the last competition in which you participated. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:28, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey, it wasn't that poor! Wasn't I the next in line? I'm still trying to figure out if I'm hurt over losing or relieved over not winning. But not winning is never fun, of course. I appreciate the note, though, Demiurge--thanks. Drmies (talk) 04:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
I think many of the reservations people had about WMF Board were that you only edit the English Misplaced Pages. That concern is not relevant in this one. --Rschen7754 02:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
That's entirely possible. But I also got the feeling that there was an inside crowd there, and I'll leave it at that. Drmies (talk) 04:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I have to say I'd advise against it, for the sake of your sanity, & that of your family, & the contributions we'd lose. Johnbod (talk) 02:47, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Floquenbeam, Anthonyhcole, Gerda Arendt, Demiurge1000, Beeblebrox, et al--there's still another day or so to go, and I did draft a nomination, but I think that we have a decent bunch of editors running this time. Plus, I'm pretty busy this coming week, just when I need to answer a bunch of questions. So I think it's best to bow out for this time--and I am doing so in the utmost appreciation of all y'all's sentiments, expressed here and via email. I'll take the time to reflect more carefully on what ArbCom is and does, and what it doesn't do, and whether I can be a net positive next time around. Eric, you never know: things might change for the better. Drmies (talk) 22:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
    • It's a shame to lose a good arb, but it's great to keep a good admin. Johnuniq (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
      • While I respect your decision, it really would be nice to have more than eight candidates running for the eight open slots, and especially if one of them was you. Go Phightins! 01:20, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
        • besides, we need to have some good candidates for next year... -- Aunva6 03:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
          • You know, that's really nice of you all to say, but I'm still not sure if this is something I want to or can do. And so you have no ground for saying I'd be a good candidate. I'm somewhat surprised that Floquenbeam is running, and I hope that ArbCom isn't as disenchanting as Johnbod and others have suggested. No, I need to do a bit more homework--read the recent cases (yes Gerda) and motions, and figure out what gets accepted and why, and what I think ArbCom is and should be. And the all-important questions: what about Kiefer, and what about civility? (I'm sort of kidding.) Drmies (talk) 04:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I was hoping you could spend your first year in the company of User:Newyorkbrad - I can't think of a better mentor - or holder of corporate memory. (I won't think less of you if you change your mind now and nominate - most people are helpless in the face of my powers of persuasion.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 10:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh, that's a valid point Anthony. I couldn't think of a better one either. But this die has been cast, I'm afraid, given the time of the semester, exacerbated by some incomprehensible scheduling decisions made here. One sometimes gets the feeling that it's always fourth and eighteen in the AU system. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
So be it. Perhaps there will be a last minute rush of candidacies, as for the WMF board. We need some suckers, as not all the current lot will get enough support. Johnbod (talk) 15:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Despite multiple last-minute additions, I still felt the field was a bit thin, so ....groan... I threw my hat in again. I blame you. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Moorkop

Just what the doctor ordered

Am I too late for breakfast or too early for dessert? Geoff 17:52, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Ooooh now that's tasty. With that, you're always right on time. My mom called today. She's visiting this month and wondered if she should bring the Zwarte Piet outfits (I'm sure you get the connection) for the kids that she found on sale somewhere. How do you explain to a Dutch woman what the ins and outs are of dressing up kids, in blackface, in Alabama? Drmies (talk) 18:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

No Gun Ri Massacre

This article might be interesting to you:

Ealdgyth - Talk 18:11, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

  • That is interesting, thanks, though I really don't want to inject myself in the article. I hope we have "Historiography of X" articles for all events. The Bateman paragraph has an interesting opening sentence: "Perhaps the one area where ordinary Koreans are allowed a role in their history is as victims". Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oh go ahead and inject yourself. That way the two battling editors would leave me alone. Besides, I have total confidence in your ability to innoculate the article appropriately; you're a quicker study than I am for this sort of thing. BTW, what about having the chocolate cupcakes pastries as the editing picture instead of the chocolate lab?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Hold on now--they're not cupcakes, since they are filled with whipped cream. It doesn't get much more decadent than that. What Ealdgyth sent is a review article, which is what Misplaced Pages editors don't read (or use) often enough: it's the kind of article that will help establish whether something is an RS or not, and in this case the Bateman book fits the bill. Drmies (talk) 01:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Sheesh, will they leave my chocolate lab alone already ???? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Hey, I was having a hard time finding nice choc lab shots--Mr. Wetso was the best I could do. Yours are cute! Bbb, I know (well, I figured you were some kind of corporate dude or dudette), and if you're ever interested I'll be glad to send it to you. Hint for all you young people not even thinking about middle age: now's the time to start realizing that it's history you've always wanted to study, and the best way to study history is to study historiography. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, put the fucking laptop down and turn on ESPN. Fourth quarter, dude. We're only up by 13. Drmies (talk) 03:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Lead section

Enough with the flirting. Down, boy, down!

Are you in the mood to sort out a lead for William Beach Thomas and perhaps tighten up the prose a little? You know that I am crap at this but no worries if you'd rather not. I've got a few journals to re-read but there aren't likely to be any many additions/removals to the text now. - Sitush (talk) 22:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I took a crack at copy editing the lead. Please revert at will. I detect a disturbing undertone in the article, as if a Wikipedian wants to portray the fellow in a bad light. But perhaps it is Cullen328 who is the biased one. Here in California, we call a guy who advocates creation of national parks, protection of rural beauty, and appreciation of nature a "liberal". Perhaps in the United Kingdom, the correct term is "reactionary". Perhaps. But I see a bit of an agenda here. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:50, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
I think you should read the rest of the article, Cullen, and afterward, and when you read the historians who studied the love of nature that was so important, you'll see that "reactionary" is in fact objectively true for cats like that. Besides, there is a reference in the article (published by Manchester UP) which I'll accept on good faith but, if you like, I'll get the book through ILL and get more specific.

You're thinking of people like Muir and all that, and that's fine, but in Europe that kind of love of nature takes place in a very different political context: it is essentially reactionary. "Love of nature" doesn't become "progressive" in Europe until--I don't know, those naked boys doing gymnastics in Nazi Germany? Your note on national parks is instructive as well: I don't know how old the concept of national park is in Europe, but it's newer than and nothing like the Roosevelt idea in all its size and beauty and grandeur. "Love of the countryside" for someone like Beach Thomas is not necessarily love of the great wild Rocky Mountains--it's more likely to be love of an English countryside in which you could go hunt foxes while peons served you sherry. Correct me if I'm wrong, Sitush. Drmies (talk) 04:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I did read the rest of the article and I understand the points you are making. On the other hand, William Morris, one of the leading 19th century English socialists, advocated (it seems to me) somewhat similar ideas about nature, preservation and rural living. I am somewhat familiar with the history and inherent limitations of national parks in the UK, since that is closely associated with the history of rock climbing and British mountaineering. I've never previously heard that described as a "reactionary" movement, but perhaps I'm wrong. The Lake District and Peak District come to mind. So, I would like to see some excellent sourcing of the term "reactionary" which I consider to be highly POV terminology requiring excellent sourcing. Repetition intentional. Perhaps he really was a reactionary. If so, I should be convinced of that after reading the article, and I'm not so far. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:23, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, both, for the work on the lead. That gave me the necessary impetus. I'll see if I can firm up the rural stuff - I have a house in the countryside and much prefer it to life in the city, I used to reguarly walk up to 40 miles a day with a tent on my back and I've done my share of climbing the wrong way up the big rocks of Britain. I think it is safe to say that I'm not deliberately skewing things against the man, although the sources may be. His appears to have been an paternalist romanticism and it fits perfectly well with, for example, those who mourned the passing of the English country house in the inter-war years: you cannot easily underestimate the long-term socio-economic and political effects of WWI. He seems very much to have been in the mode of Thomas Gray's Elegy in a Country Churchyard when the reality was nearer to Goldsmith's The Deserted Village. Oh, and he did write about fox hunting! - Sitush (talk) 11:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
I've just tried to get a full view of this (around p. 100) using a proxy into the US version of GBooks. It still shows snippet view - can either of you see it in full? - Sitush (talk) 13:04, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
No, nothing but snippets. If you like I can try and get something through ILL, but I'll need article title and inclusive page numbers. Drmies (talk) 15:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how reliable it would be but it appears in part to be a critique of Massingham vs Thomas. There is a copy for sale in Ireland at the moment but I'm not forking out for it, so if you'd be prepared to try ILL then the details are Musty, John (March 1985). "H. J. Massingham and W. Beach Thomas". Antiquarian Book Monthly Review. 12 (3 (Issue 131)): 94–102.. I am looking at buying A War of Individuals: Bloomsbury Attitudes to the Great War (2002), Jonathan Atkin - some people want £80+ for it but there is an Abebooks seller with 17 copies @ £5 each - might be a killing to be had there but I'm no speculator, so one copy will do me! - Sitush (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Cullen, does the following quote help? It is from p. 21 of the cited Hemmings source:

The roots of the rural revival reach back to the end of . The economy of the English countryside underwent a profound change between 1918 and 1928; one-quarter of English agricultural land changed ownership. Between the end of the war and 1920 alone, nearly 8 million acres were sold, signifying the largest-scale transfer of lands since the dissolution of the monasteries. While some attributed this loss of rural stability to the 'lost generation' of officers from the land-owning classes wiped out in the war, the less mythical but more likely cause involved the imposition of new and severe death duties combined with a depression in the agricultural economy. Within this economic climate, which fostered political debates about the merits of land nationalisation, rural revivalists mobilised their deeply nostalgic response. The English countryside could only be saved by the restoration of the village community. The socio-economic stability of this treasured social unit could be ensured by the revival of the great landlord estates or even the return of the peasantry, a virtuous group of imagined tenant-labourers who admired, without envying, their lords' wealth. While the pace of land exchange slowed in the 1930s and 1940s, the rural revival movement gathered strength with the threat and realisation of the renewal of modern war in 1939.

I'm wondering whether we have an article somewhere about this movement - it was pretty much a version of organicism. Their point was, in part, that the new landowners etc were speculators and not honour-bound custodians of the land. Beach Thomas even claimed that some land had become "prairie" because the new owners felt no duty to maintain it (someone, somewhere pointed out that he was being hyperbolic in his choice of adjective). - Sitush (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the interesting quote about the rural revival movement, Sitush, which is illuminating but in my view, doesn't support the usage of the term "reactionary" in this biography. Perhaps that is because I view the word "reactionary" as judgmental and highly POV, so I would prefer to see it referenced to more than one highly reliable source, and preferably in a quotation from a source instead of in Misplaced Pages's voice. I've done my own (probably inept) Google search for a source calling him a reactionary and have thusfar failed to find one. As for someone, somewhere accusing him of being hyperbolic in his use of the word "prairie", I would like to know more about the British connotations of that word in this fellow's professional lifetime, but even that nugget doesn't convince me. To be clear, I do readily accept the possibility that he may have been what in my opinion was a reactionary. Maybe he said "wog" and mocked Ghandi and wished Cornwallis had never surrendered, and that every building in Washington had been burned during the War of 1812, not just the White House. All I want is good solid convincing sourcing in a Misplaced Pages article, not what seems to me to be inference in Misplaced Pages's voice. Is that too much to ask? Cullen Let's discuss it 06:31, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Afra and an ancient tree

Our Molly looks a little bit Winston Churchill as prime minister in 10 Downing Street, just a slight likness
Afra's new friend in heaven

Did Afra got out of the prison? Oh, Mies that place is closed, Konditorei in Lund, across from the church but look at this. https://sv.wikipedia.org/Kvilleken Warrington (talk) 14:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Wow. Let's translate that for the English wiki. Afra, unrepentant, died of old age and you can find her in the archive. Her final words were, unsurprisingly, "woof--let me get at that cat..." followed by "screw a bunch of Norwegians". Drmies (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, let's translate that for the English wiki. And possibly a new DYK too. And you need a new puppy, imediately! well you skrue that puppy, as a Novegian would say. Hafspajen (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Rumskulla oak begun. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
I added a snippet about the oak being the location for the sex scenes in I Am Curious (Yellow) (with proper references, of course). We wouldn't want to leave that little bit out, would we? Thomas.W 17:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, some good collaboration there, though I wish these municipalities would leave their pages up where they can be found. Those who still do DYK, feel free :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
"DYK ... that the sex scenes in the controversial 1967 film I Am Curious (Yellow) where shot inside the Rumskulla oak, an oak tree that is more than 1,000 years old?" Thomas.W 19:23, 17 November 2013 (UTC) (unashamedly pushing my own minor contribution to the article...)
The DYK nomination's been done BUT I need Mandarax to drop by and sort the credits on it; I added Hafspajen as it was his idea - maybe Drmies should also be added as it originated on this talk page? Now I'm off to do some real work! SagaciousPhil - Chat 21:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Hehe, I had seen the note on the nom asking someone to do it, and I took care of it, immediately after which I saw the notification that you'd mentioned me here. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:32, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Not only an excellent, prompt service but also done with a smile - the customer service on this page is superb ... feel free to change the image I submitted with the nom, some of the others in the article might re-produce better! SagaciousPhil - Chat 21:45, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Don't y'all even think about adding me, though I am more than pleased to be a facilitator. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
This made me laugh! Why, could it be such a Sheldon? Sam Sailor 18:30, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

I was all set to take credit for two conjectures that I clearly internalized from Casanova's article last time I read in 2008 or so. Luckily these aren't the point of my article, but you saved me from getting some egg on my face.  davidiad { t } 13:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Glad to be of service, sir. I thought of you last night when I got my one special beer out of the fridge--I had accidentally bought a Nocturnum instead of a Tremens! Good thing it was good. Drmies (talk) 15:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
  • You bet that stuff's good. It's actually the lady's favorite beer now, which is funny because she used to be able to tolerate only low-alcohol American mega-brewery "lagers". They have a holiday Delirium out that's pretty festive, but not really to my liking.  davidiad { t } 18:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

If you have a bit of time...

...can you please take a look at these threads: , , ? Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Some more background here. It's not the content dispute that's my concern - there was a clear consensus about that - but the behavior of the editor, Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Haha, your comma conveys meaning you probably didn't intend. Drmies (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Left a note. Drmies (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I wish you hadn't made that final revert. Drmies (talk) 18:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
You are, of course, completely correct.

Incidentally, I never claimed that the editor was making bad edits, just that he was following me, as he clearly was. If every time you open a new door, the same person is in the room, it hardly matters that he's dusting off your books in the living room the first time, and vacuuming your office carpet the second time, and making what smells like a yummy lasagna in the kitchen the third time, it's the fact that they are there that's creepy. Every time I turned around he'd pop up on my watchlist, on a article I'd just edited. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, if you put it that way. (With ricotta or bechamel sauce? there is a wrong answer.) Well, let's hope that there will be plenty of sunlight between your edit histories. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
(With intense fear of answering incorrectly) Ricotta, mozzarella, and grated paremsan and romano. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Incidentially, this editor has had a history of edit-warring and generally being uncooperative; see his block log for details.
In reality, I was never insulting or harassing BMK. Basically, this editor is just making mountain out of a molehill. Epicgenius 01:17, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I am very familiar with BMK's block log, and many's the time that I've been tempted to put the poor guy out of his misery. He just keeps coming back, like zombies or a bad penny. For the record, Epicgenius, you've been on my radar too today, at ANEW, purely by chance. I'm not sure why you reported 63.100.172.20 and not CanadianLinuxUser, or why you didn't check to see whether the IP was reported elsewhere already (they were, at AIV), or whether maybe they were correct in their edits and were incorrectly reverted. I think you should have a look at that section. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Epicgenius has been blocked 24 hours for edit-warring on my talk page, where he's been asked not to post, but before that happened, he did it again. 200 West Street is an article he hasn't edited since May. I edited it, and he's the very next edit , with an edit summary suggestion that I shouldn't be "an asshole", which I actually don't understand because my edit on that article had nothing to do with him. (I had added a hatnote to the article two weeks ago, and he changed it from plain text to a template. Is it that I'm an "asshole" because I didn't use a template? I don't get it. My edit immediately before his was reverting a number change with no change of source, always a sign of possible sneaky number vandalism. Am I an "asshole" because of that?) Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't know why you'd be an asshole, BMK. I hope they'll stay away from you--and vice versa of course. Can we let this go now and see if there's improvement ("daylight") between the two of you in the next few weeks? Drmies (talk) 02:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Yep, fine with me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I really did intend that, but I got sucked it again, since Epicgenius made several hundred edits today using his alternate account User:Epicfailure 2, after taking steps to remove the connection between the accounts. Then he edited his own user page with a third account User:Ef alt, removing the connection between accounts, with an edit summary that said (paraphrasing) "Stop f***** lying, I'm not Epicgenius." The thing is, I have the diffs where Epicgenius affirmed that he was Epicfailure 2 in order to get rollback for that account, and the diffs where he affirmed that he was Ef alt to get that account confirmed.

This has all been reported to Bwilkins, who blocked him, and EdJohnston, who protected his talk page after the self-vandalism. (Ed didn't know it was Epicgenius doing it to himself, of course), so there's nothing I'm asking you to do, I'm just here to apologize for not staying out of it when I said I would - but his wierd behavior sucked me back into it again, which I already regret. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

What's funny is that I saw some Epicfailure edits go by on Recent changes and was wondering if it was the same person. Guess that question's answered now. Carry on, Drmies (talk) 23:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Attempted outing

Hi Drmies. Thank you for your help with this this dispute. Unfortunately there's still a little remaining fallout. Prior to being blocked, one of this editor's socks engaged in a little extracurricular tit-for-tat with me over at Americans for Peace and Tolerance, an otherwise extremely quiet article. Now a brand-new editor has reverted me on the same page while attempting to out me in the edit comment. This might have been done in good faith in ignorance of WP:OUTING, or there might be a WP:SOCK/WP:BE/WP:HARASSMENT issue. Unfortunately it's impossible to know for sure, given the use of proxy servers. There is already some behavioral evidence for that, though it's not conclusive given the new account's brief editing history. In any case I have no appetite for confrontation and possibly false accusation. I'm just hoping you can help me erase the attempted outing. I read somewhere that's possible, though I've never dealt with this sort of issue before. Thanks in advance. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both you and Yngvadottir. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Belen case

I just saw. It is indeed a mess. I did not realize it when I saw the AIV report. Thank you for fixing the article, but am unsure on what is next here. Neither the IP nor CanadianLinuxUser had been warned of 3RR so I am unsure what is the proper response other than a stern warning. Blocking LinuxUser now may not be fair as the EW has stopped. I considered now unblocking the IP and warning then saw they had already requested and been declined. I added a PageNotice to the article. Hopefully this will help in the future, or at least make a case for further blocking after they blatantly disregard it. What next? -- Alexf 23:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Ha, while you posted this I made a terrible decision: I blocked CLU, and then unblocked both of them. Please see the ANEW board for more extensive discussion. Thanks Alex, Drmies (talk) 23:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Posted there. Thx for the HU. -- Alexf 23:50, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Them lovebirds

MIES, could you please have a look at the PERSONAL section in Henk Timmer (footballer)? Just provide a translation for the first source (seems like the same verb of REF#2 in another tense, but i'm not going to bet on it of course) if you please.

If the dates on said sources are correct (2011, 2012), funny they only married then (and by the way, did they marry twice in one year? Must be really in love!), because that piece of information has been in his article since 2009 at least.

Thanks in advance with whatever you can provide (aquatic poetry is what i am seeing above as i write these words, majestic pose, or should i say "pawse"?), regards from Portugal --AL (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This was within my limited competence. "going to marry" vs. "married". And the 1st says they haven't set a date while the 2nd has stuff about her strapless wedding gown. Yngvadottir (talk) 01:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kind sir/ma'am, whistle anytime you need anything wiki-wise! --AL (talk) 01:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Aww you two, glad y'all could help each other. VASCO, you know what a Dutch oven is? My seven-year old apparently learned how to make them, on the couch, sitting next to me covered with a blanket, watching Chopped. Drmies (talk) 03:09, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Nope, what is it? If it's a sweet i want to know about that one! --AL (talk) 04:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Epic pail on my fart, i mean Fail on my Part... --AL (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks mate, this page sure is a "gas" most of the time, lots of good spirits flowing. --AL (talk) 00:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Extremely sensitive admin request

Drmies, you have mail, and though I know it is your typical policy not to conduct wiki-business through email, this is somewhat of an extenuating circumstance. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Go Phightins! 04:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

German stalker vandal

He hasn't misbehaved for almost a whole day now, presumably because of this. Cute.  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Well, we'll see. Hafspajen, DYK that Mr.choppers here is Swedish also? Y'all are taking over the world. And he's in Skane! Which any decent Swede will denounce as flat and boring! Drmies (talk) 15:09, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • MMmmm. Do not put a curse on the land, Doctor. Yes, it is flat, in an exciting way, somehow. Och hur står det till, får jag gratulera? Det var inte illa, Mr.choppers. Hafspajen (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Well, Dr, I beg to differ, based on my own impression of Skåne (which BTW is slightly more than one quarter the size of the Netherlands, a country that is "flat and boring"). Skåne is not flat and boring but has a very varied landscape. Small parts of it are flat but not even those are boring. Linneaus wrote that "Skåne is a piece of land that has been attached to Sweden so that the Swedes can see what the rest of Europe looks like", and there's a lot of truth in that. Thomas.W 15:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Wedding portrait of Linnaeus. Linnaeus spent time in the Netherlands, and that's not good for anyone's brain? Now that is not quite true. Wasn't he credited like one of the most brilliant scientist ever? Hafspajen (talk) 16:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Thomas, your begging is denied. You know of course that Linnaeus spent time in the Netherlands, and that's not good for anyone's brain. And your comments about the motherland, them's fighting words. You know I'm an admin, right? I could block you right fucking now for this personal insult. Ha! (That's a nice quote, by the way. Skane is indeed very different, and if you're on a bicycle you quickly find out that it's not as flat as you wanted--especially with that constant wind.) Drmies (talk) 15:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Ah, ze Germans again... From what I've seen at the arbcom page over there, it has only just begun. But congrats to Mr.choppers for jumping the train. De728631 (talk) 15:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • De, are they interested at all in what that cat has been doing in here? I suppose they know, but would a note from a respected admin like yourself help at all? And how does the German ArbCom compare to ours? Drmies (talk) 15:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • So far there's only one arb dealing with the case. They're trying to find out what happened at Commons and why Flow92 was blocked there (socking and whatnot), but the English WP has not yet been discussed. The difference between the arbcoms at EN and DE.wiki seems to be that the German arbs will only consider input by involved parties. Any outsiders commenting on the main case page are either reverted or will get treated as involved as well. That said, I've never cared to dig into these bureaucratic levels of the German WP. De728631 (talk) 16:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Well, well, Doctor Mies, are you harrasing now the vandlas and the scanians? Don't you know that all Skåne-people are secretly and passionately in love with Skåne-land? Of course nobody will admit that, but there it is... It is kind of an invisible and secret wasps-nest. I am not at all surprised about our friend Thomas.W's hars words. I could have predicted it, if you would asked me in advance. Hafspajen (talk) 16:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • And who is the one to say this, if not the legendary, great, acclaimed, visionary, outstanding, leading, celebrated, award-winning, cutting-edge, extraordinary, brilliant, famous, renowned, remarkable, prestigious, world-class, respected, notable, virtuoso Drmies? Hafspajen (talk) 18:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Aw shucks. Please tell Mrs. Drmies. Hej, don't you have a church or a barn to build? Did I ever tell you about that time it took me forever to get directions since I pronounced the letter k in Kävlinge as a Voiceless velar stop instead of as a Voiceless alveolo-palatal sibilant? Drmies (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Even "real" Swedes pronounce Scanian place names etc wrong most of the time, so you're in good company (or bad, depending on who you ask). Thomas.W 19:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I guess in this case wrong pronunciation is not as much frowned upon as the accidental Jävlinge typo. De728631 (talk) 23:56, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Haha. Don't worry women are like that, they just want everybody to be even more ameliorated around them. She married you, no? And please, PLEASE, can anyone give me a Landscape architect userbox? I dont build barns, I make flowerbeds. And I need some distraction now and then, while my slaves do what I tell them. (Don't even think I am doing the digging) Hafspajen (talk) 18:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I think "Chävlinge" might be closer to the proper pronunciation. I guess I didn't quite know what I was getting into with a German ArbCom case but then again I'm from Skåne - we have full faith in our selves. Och tjena Hafspaj - is that a messy pie or an ocean pie?  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:36, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Tjäna, yes one need to be Swedish to understand the subtilities of this name. It can be both, I guess. And as I told Drmies before, it was just a random Alfapet (scrabble) word, that appeared in between the lines, and I chose it just for fun. And Mr.choppers? Hafspajen (talk) 16:09, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
A customer once called me "Mister Choppers", saying I had large teeth (I don't really) and later in the day I was setting up a hotmail account (it was a while ago) and have kept it through sheer inertia. Sublime indeed. BTW, I think that the DE arbcom case might have ended - since Flow92 is quite the nutjob I didn't really have to do anything.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
An IP geolocating to Germany, 89.204.137.61 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), has been mass-reverting edits by Mr.choppers today, so I assume it's the German stalker striking again. I've reversed all of those edits, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are more IPs doing the same thing. Thomas.W 11:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

You know you spend too much time here when...

We hope. We will know for sure when my broomstick will start flowering. Hafspajen (talk) 18:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
This user is not an architect but a Landscape architect



What now?

  • Aunva, I did it, I did it!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonderful! Thanks for all help! Great. Splendid. I mean, it is really so that people think that Landscape architect and architect is the same thing, but it really isn't the same thing at all. You wouldn't belive all the crap they send me, advertisments and stuff about concrete walls, stairs and all the brick, metal and stone materials, what am I suppose to do with it in a garden? Send me stuff on watering systems, plant catalogs and fertilzers instead! Hafspajen (talk)
  • So now it is done. I keept the architect userbox, because there is no such thing like Cathegory:Landscape architect, but now this will be like a kind of architect#REDIRECT Landscape architect... And I am for userboxes, as everybody understod by now. Also if some kind I am for userbox-soul would find that intersting enough, ceate a cathegory, or tell mr how to do it, I would be extremaly happy. How am I suppose to know, where my other colleagues are among all those thousands of wikipedians? Hafspajen (talk) 10:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
  • What is this, Warrington? A social network? We're here to chat around with nice people we have something in common with? I wish you'd come by my house. We need some landscape. Drmies (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Just give me the plan of your garden, your wishes and you temperature zone, and some photos, and I fix that. Possibly free, because you are my friend. No not necessarely chat around chat around, more to get help with articles. Could you please for example fix that Gardener article? Hafspajen (talk) 16:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Eritrea

Hello, Drmies. Seems the article needs a full protection for a short period to avoid further warring. Regards.--Jetstreamer  22:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

CambridgeBayWeather took care of it. forgot to put on the padlock though... -- Aunva6 23:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
There's a bot that'll get around to putting the padlock on eventually. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey, what gives Writ Keeper? You're supposed to be my uber-helpful TPS! --Jezebel'sPonyo 23:54, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
There used to be, yes; these days I see Tbhotch putting those templates on. I never bother: being an admin is bad enough for my RSI. Oh, Ponyo, Writ Keeper is mine, mine. Drmies (talk) 23:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Surely we can work out a deal?--Jezebel'sPonyo 00:04, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
<Drmies backs away from the man holding up the Writ Keeper.>

Talk:Patrick Califia comment may need to be removed again

Hi, I removed, then re-removed comments from the same anon who has been generally accusing this BLP of overlooking how much a pedophile this writer must be. Could you take a look? I'm not sure if it needs erasing or just removal or what. I also didn't know what message would be appropriate on the users' talk page. Any help appreciated. Sportfan5000 (talk) 01:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I just remove that stuff. (Via rev-delete.) I found some more in the history and revdeleted that as well. I warned the editor, and I think you should do the same: just give them a high-level (or only) warning for BLP violations, and let the blocks fall where they may. The most recent editor is pretty close to a block, and that's acting on the assumption that they are not the IP who's made the exact same edits. So warn them, revert ASAP, let me or another friendly admin know. Drmies (talk) 01:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

ANI Eritrea

Thanks for removing it. They seem to have forgotten to add a section to ANI. I wonder if they wanted me to do it? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Ha, yes, I kind of forgot about looking for the section while I was perusing ANI. Yes, please, do file that thread, and make sure you say terrible things about your abuse. Drmies (talk) 04:10, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


Help me

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help&uio=MTE9MTg1ff

this is the link .i did chat in this window about my creation of article.after one hour it shows that i was banned till now i am getting the same message.how can i use live chat option help.how much i will be banned. below is my ip address: ip.118.102.131.106. so please do the favor to do live chat to fix my problems in creation of my article.

== gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.102.131.106 is now your hidden host (set by syn.)
== #wikipedia-en-help Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
== #wikipedia-en-help Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maroofpeer (talk • contribs)

  • Sorry, I have no idea what any of that means. Perhaps one of the more technologically hip talk page stalkers do. But I suggested what you should do about that article in the ANI thread you started. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 05:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
@Maroofpeer: What nick did you try and use? --Mdann52talk to me! 11:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

iam in the news of telug news papers.can i use this paper link for my natoability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maroofpeer (talk • contribs) 05:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Alternative595

I'm willing to let this one go, and offering to work in a more collaborative and kind effort. Of course, no indiscriminate undos and systematic deletes and hidden threats -- it was out of control. But, I do want to let this go and posted on their "talk" as well as on Sean Harris' talk. If they agree or not -- I don't want to prevent contributions or keep him to correcting grammar and stray marks -- I would like them to contribute without just removing everything in such a way. Edit, not undo entirely. Will you then lift any restrictions? Thank you.

Legaleze (talk) 06:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

  • There aren't any restrictions, besides the usual one. I don't know why they got all up in arms over my message, which I thought was plain, simple, and, given the circumstances, warranted. Further incivilities like the messages they left in article space will simply not be tolerated. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Will you close/lock my ADM complaint? Thank you.

Legaleze (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Because' has become a preposition, because grammar, because internet

For Mandarax's lovely enjoyment, because has literately become a preposition, because. On a side note, I hadn't seen the chocolate lab photo before. After seeing the photo, I have this insatiable desire to ask SandyGeorgia to marry me. Bgwhite (talk) 08:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Too late-- I already have enough WikiHusbands (and we all know how high maintenance husbands are). But, if you have a chocolate lab, I would gladly sleep with it. I miss mine (that's not him, but those are what he looked like), who was much more handsome than the scruffy things round these parts! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:00, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Could be worse: you could be married to Kiefer, or Eric Corbett. I was thinking of proposing to Regentspark, but they made some claim about age and wisdom in their ArbCom statement, and I certainly don't need another older man in my house. (While I'm typing this Liam is trying to take my left big toe off. He's remarkably happy today for a kid with RSV, pneumonia, and two ear infections.) Drmies (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
I've been married to Ruth for more than 30 years now, so I can't be all bad. I still remember the day I first saw her; until then I'd thought the idea of love at first sight was ridiculous. Eric Corbett 15:09, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Sounds like a Neil Young song, Eric. "Unknown Legend"? Drmies (talk) 15:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Ruth loves Neil Young, but I find him too whiney. She and I are so different it's untrue, but I'll never forget the day I saw that tall blonde walking past the refectory window. (We were both being interviewed for college places, she for biology and me for psychology). Eric Corbett 15:26, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Pneumonia?! Poor kid! Hope he gets well soon! Yngvadottir (talk) 21:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Poor papa too: three nights with little sleep, two days away from work. His coughing at night is pretty bad. Once that's over we'll all be much better. And perhaps you know what antibiotics do to a young lad's intestinal tract. If you're interested, I'll describe in more detail what regurgitated food, snot, breast milk, and mucus looks like on your shirt. Drmies (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Haha, he's playing peekaboo from behind the curtains. And the cat's outside in the same window, so now we're having fun. Drmies (talk) 21:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

King Crimson

This kindly sent to me by Kiefer.Wolfowitz. Do I have to rely on the Swedes to give me the college football news? No, fortunately it was reported in the paper this morning because in the south football is not like a religion at all--it's much more important. So, is AJ McCarron the best college player ever? I think that's pushing it, Tide rolls. Let's see him win the Iron Bowl first. Y'all can meet me on Bourbon Street and we'll watch together. I'm buying shots at the beginning of each quarter, Egan's-style. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk to me

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as, if you have time, with all your problems on. Poor kid... Hafspajen (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedians should be obliged to wear some outfit like this when walking around in the city. Well, just to recognise each other, I mean. Hafspajen (talk) 14:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC) And also one wouln't expect such stubborn behavior from a chap like this. Just fells like arguing with someone in the good old time when nobody had an idea about ownership issues or using pictures or... well anything, really. I remember a long an heavy dicussion about on the subject of galleries where the end of it was that it is indeed legitimate and quite alright to use them. I mean some things one can not only talk about, it is just impossible. It would not work. How an I suppose to tell you about this picture? like a big open space where guys walk around wearing ... what? Orange dresses? I say, that some people are good att keeping their oppinion whatewer you may tell them, they are just like Moses stone - Tablets of canvas. Hafspajen (talk) 14:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Warrington, this is America, more specifically the Deep South. We don't walk around in cities here; we drive around in suburbs. Also, now Rosie has it too. I'm tired. What needed to be done on Gardening? Let's see if Liam wants to take another nap. Drmies (talk) 20:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Damn bad luck. Have you tried garlic? I mean to prevent that yourself and the other child and wife to get this shit. About gardening, there is nothing You can do. I think there's quite a lot that could be written (famous gardeners past and present, gardeners in art and literature, gardeners as a stereotype, charities and societies for gardeners, the changing role and status of gardeners etc.), BUT I need a gardener or a landskape arch. It was just an example why one would need someone to work with, (same usebox). And yes I know how people live in America, lived there myself a while... Hafspajen (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I remember feeling almost ill about this, not being able to walk around, like home. I remember telling people:But, we in Europe, we walk, everywhere. And I remember trying to walk home from Crystal Cathedral home in Orange county, and I realized why people are not walking . there were no sidewalks... or just a few of them, just in front of special buildings, and than stopped again. An there was I, walking by the road and some people even stopped their cars and asked me if there was any problem, if I needed any help ... And when I told them I was just feeling like walking around a bit, they looked at me as if I just landed from the moon or something. The only people I saw walking were the homeless. So I gave up. Hafspajen (talk) 12:12, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

User: Beyond My Ken

Could you teach this user for how not to break WP:3RR. This is the second time in the past week he has done so, that I know of.—CKY2250  01:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Probably not. Can't teach an old dog a new trick. You can report--well, you know that. Beyond My Ken, please don't break 3R--but that's the best I can do. If I had seen those edits go by, though, I might have inserted myself in the dispute, on the side of BMK since in this particular case I think they're right, and I wonder where AmericanDad came from, if they don't have some old beef with BMK. I know that's entirely unsatisfactory and not what you want to hear, but it is what it is. If another admin looks at it and forms a judgment, which I won't, then that's fine with me. Drmies (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
  • For the record, I know that BMK can be prone to strong language. Nothing I can do about that. Whether I agree with their manner or not is really neither here nor there. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Sentence Help

I am working on a radio station article (when am I not? :)) and I having trouble with making this one sentence sound right. Here's what I have so far, feel free to change them as you see fit (and I'm hoping to take the article to GA).

  • On Sunday Mornings, church services from St. Mary Roman Catholic Church and Spruce Street United Methodist Church, located in Star City and Morgantown respectively, are aired live.
  • On Sunday mornings, WCLG broadcasts two live local church services. Beginning first, with the 8:30am Liturgy from the St. Mary Roman Catholic Church, located in Star City, West Virginia. Then the 10:45am Worship from the Spruce Street United Methodist Church, located in Morgantown.

Both have their problems, but it's the best I can do. Help? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:23, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Well, the second one has things that aren't sentences. :) How about: "On Sunday mornings, WCLG broadcasts live two local church services, from St. Mary's Catholic church in Star City and the Spruce Street Methodist Church in Morgantown." Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
@Writ: Yeah, I tried to break that second one up cause it was a serious run-on sentence, but it just didn't sound right. I asked the same question above (to get a variety of answers) on User:Anna Frodesiak's talk page and User:Bbb23 suggested I use...
Every Sunday morning, WCLG broadcasts live the services at Star City's St. Mary Roman Catholic Church at 8:30am and Morgantown's Spruce Street United Methodist Church at 10:45am.
...so I went with that one, but feel free to change it up if you like. It's a little bit of a run-on too, but it adds everything into the one sentence. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Wow, Bbb23 came up with that sentence? I'd Google it just to make sure it's in fact his, you know. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Jackson Peebles

Would it be appropriate and/or the right move to delete the template on Jackson's user page asking for editors to give him feedback at an editor review? Misplaced Pages:Editor review/Jackson Peebles. I am not sure how this should be handled but thought you might be able to make a decision here for the community and with respect for his passing that we no longer comment on his contributions in this way after his death or continue to show this request. The last comment was on 30 October 2013. I am not sure myself so I will defer to your judgment. Thanks!--Mark Miller (talk) 09:32, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Request

Hi Drmies, would you mind taking a look at the discussion here? WilyD has been attempting to remove the demonym "American" from the page in spite of every major dictionary and stylebook consulted listing it as acceptable usage. Unable to establish a consensus for the change, the user has been adding other nonsense to the infobox, seemingly trying to make a WP:POINT. More troublesome, the user is making derogatory comments about anyone that don't conform to a narrow minded view on usage of the word, such as that those who use the word as sources define it are motivated by a "racist mindset" or that they "favour imperialism and colonialism". I've requested that the user drop the "racist" nonsense, but the response just repeats the attacks: "The use of American to mean "a person from the Americas" is racist/colonialist". The user admits that their opinions on the matter are "probably not sourcable", so they're really not relevant or helpful to building an encyclopedia. It's awfully hard to try to resolve a content dispute when someones keeps screaming "RACIST!" without justification. Would you mind talking to the user to try and get them to tone it down? Thanks! TDL (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Well, here's the thing--as exciting as that discussion is, and as heated as it got, WilyD said to you "It's not a personal attack, because it's not directed at you", and I believe that. One does not need to be a racist to be using a racist term, so to speak. I read the discussion and don't really know what to make of it or whose side I'm on, but I am quite sure that WilyD is not saying "you're using the term because you have a racist mindset", and that comment on your talk page is clear enough as well. Drmies (talk) 20:26, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I really fail to see how using such loaded language is helpful to building a collaborative encyclopedia. Anyone can throw around the "R" word, but if every discussion descends into "There's a racist mindset behind using oxford commas" or "There's a racist mindset behind spelling colour with a u" it makes for a quite toxic atmosphere, no different than Reductio ad Hitlerum. Of course, if there actually are racist connotations to the word, this would be notable and I'd support including a discussion on that in the encyclopedia. But it's unsubstantiated and completely irrelevant to the issue under discussion. (The user admits it was an "aside".)
I suppose I just have higher civility expectations than wikipedia's minimum standards. TDL (talk) 21:23, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
If you hadn't made that last remark I would have let this go and thus shaken my head, but I find that comment a bit offensive. In effect, what's happening is that WilyD rightly or wrongly sees a historical burden behind the word, and you don't. They attempt to explain what it is, and you say "you called me a racist". No, they didn't, as they explained to you at length on your talk page. If you can't read and comprehend that, that's tough. For the last time: No one called you a racist or said your comments were racist. And no one said there's a racist mindset behind the Oxford comma: you can complain about a toxic atmosphere, but throwing straw men around is certainly not improving the atmosphere. Maybe you should take WilyD's comments seriously, and refute them intelligently; defaulting to an accusation of an ad hominem doesn't work. Drmies (talk) 00:30, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Speaking of straw men: I accept that no one was called a racist, and don't believe that I suggested otherwise in my reply above. (The user does have a history of dancing very close to that line on the article though.) My point was that any argument can be responded to by making unsubstantiated claims that "there's a racist mindset behind that position". Evidently that's OK on wiki as long as you don't explicitly say "you have a racist mindset", however such cheap, unsubstantiated claims invariably inflame discussions. I see this time and time again on ethnically charged articles, and was hoping to prevent further inflammation that the inevitable "there's a racist/imperialist mindset behind using "American" exclusively to refer to US citizens" counter-claim will generate. Of course if one wants to engage in a serious discussion on the issue and provide sources to support the claim, that's a different story. But repeating the same inflammatory assertion over and over again for years, without providing any sources to back it up, seems unhelpful to me. That's why I requested that the user either source it, so its merits can be examined and debated, or stop it. How else can I "refute them intelligently" without assessing the sources (if any) they're based on? Anyways, hopefully the issue cools down. TDL (talk) 09:09, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
I'll grant you that that diff straddled a line and maybe crossed it. Besides, I wouldn't call it racist--more ethnocentric or ignorant or something. Refuting--well, you can always start an RfC, maybe, if there is a definite, specific question to be asked and answered. Drmies (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Happy 50th Anniversary Doctor Who

The lovely Amy Pond

As Drmies is such a big fan of Doctor Who, I thought I write here and spread the word of this joyous occasion. I started out as a Whovian as a kid in the 70s, my Doctor is the Fourth Doctor. I always wanted a scarf like his.

The 50th anniversary episode will be broadcast simultaneously in 76 countries at 2:50 ET. Sorry, Kelapstick, no Mongolia. It will also be shown at theaters in 3-D. I'll be watching in a sold-out theater.

For your enjoyment

Bgwhite (talk) 10:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for spreading the word BG, the Doctor Who's Line is it Anyway is worth the watch. I beat the google doodle game, but the level with the Weeping Angels is creepy (as are the angels). I'm not in Mongolia, but I will save watching it until after the kids are in bed. Enjoy all! --kelapstick 10:37, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

What happened to

What happened to Dennis Brown? Was just about to pick his picture dogwood bud to use it, and ... where is he? Hafspajen (talk) 11:58, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

  • He's selling lawn and garden equipment in North Carolina, door-to-door. He sends me postcards every now and then, and sometimes I send him money for lunch. Well, he's busy in real life and I think he may have had a less than great wiki experience in the SPI area, I don't know. I miss him, though--that boy could calm a fight down like few other people. Drmies (talk) 15:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Mohammad Jamshidi

Hi Drmies, Do you think my PROD was justified there? Esp. re: the two so-called 'refs'. Thanks!
Fortuna 15:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

  • I was looking at your A7, here, and I don't think that was justified: there was a somewhat believable claim to importance there (playing on a national team). Now, your PROD should have been a BLP PROD, strictly speaking, but that's by the by. I don't put much faith in that Rappler link, but this, which verifies his playing for the national team, looks legit enough--it looks like all those soccer statistics sites that we apparently use. So I'd say that the template was removed appropriately, though one could claim, I suppose, that the two refs are not reliable sources--but that's a matter to discuss on the talk page. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:09, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
BLP borne in mind for next time. I'm not on a crusade against Iranian basketball players but 'articles' like that are just, lazy. Thanks! Fortuna 16:18, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
We have a lot of those, unfortunately. Let's start by removing that flag from the infobox--that's my own crusade. Drmies (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Does this policy apply there? Fortuna 18:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Yep. Or, in general, MOS:FLAG. Drmies (talk) 19:06, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion appreciated

Hello. Bish recommended that I in her absence should contact you when I needed some assistance, so here we go. I would appreciate if you would read four user talk page discussions, on the talk page of IP121.232.240.17, on my talk page, on the talk page of admin TigerShark and on the talk page of user Bonusballs. The background to all of this is that I two days ago reverted edits by a long term IP-hopping POV-pusher in Nanjing, China, on List of tallest buildings in the world, edits that systematically changed "Hong Kong" to "China" throughout the article, and equally systematically replaced the flag of Hong Kong with the flag of PRC. Which along with targeting articles related to Taiwan is typical of what that anonymous editor does. I also reported the anon to WP:AIV and requested page protection for the article that was being targeted. But instead of the usual and knowledgeable admins there, such as Materialscientist, ReaperEternal, Alexf, GedUK or Bbb23, the desk was staffed by admin TigerShark, who obviously knows absolutely nothing about vandalism. Because TigerShark refused any action, both at AIV and at ANEW, claiming that it was ordinary edit-warring, i.e. a simple content dispute, suggested that I should discuss the matter with the serial vandal and reach a consensus (as if the status of Hong Kong should be discussed and decided separately for every single article that relates to, or even mentions, Hong Kong...), swiftly posted a 3RR-warning on my talk page and topped it off by repeatedly threatening to block me. And in spite of repeated attempts by me to make him understand what the problems with that IP and those edits are he has refused to change his mind, apparently still not understanding what it's all about. And, as you can see from the discussion on Bonusball's talk page I'm not the only experienced vandalism fighter here on en-WP who has been warned and threatened with being blocked for doing what we've been doing for a long time now, without having any problems with the experienced admins at AIV and ANEW (like the ones I listed above). To TigerShark's credit should be said that he PC-protected the article today, after a new round of POV-edits from the guy in Nanking, but he clearly still sees it as an ordinary content dispute.

That's a lot of sentences beginning with "and", but I'm upset, and seriously consider quitting my "job" here if the abysmally low level of competence within the field of fighting vandalism that TigerShark is showing is what we'll have to live with from now on. Thomas.W 20:41, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Let me ask you this: is there a guideline or RfC or MOS section you can point to for the naming bit? That would be very useful. (I didn't see anything at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Hong Kong, but I haven't perused every subpage of that project.) And I'll say two more general things: it's easy from your point of view (and Bonusballs') to call something vandalism--for one, you don't have to block for it, and second, you may know the stuff better then the admin, esp. if it's a recurring thing. The other thing, holy shit that page has a lot of MOS-violating flag icons on it; all of them need to go.

    Anyway, I am inclined to agree with you, that this is an IP hopping POV pusher, and I probably would have blocked them (I still might). What it depends on, for instance, is whether their other edits are indicative of such a POV. Sorry, gotta go. I'll check back later. Drmies (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Things seem to be improving:  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Cees Krijnen

Can you perhaps have a look at Cees Krijnen? Corrections and suggestions for improvement are welcome. Thanks. --GentleDjinn (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Simple: add reliable, footnoted sources... I wonder if he's related to an old school pal of mine--does he like progressive rock? There's a few things in Google Books from magazines and edited collections (about his parents' marriage and divorce, for instance), but only snippets so I can't cite correctly. There should be stuff in the archives of de Volkskrant--what various snippets suggest to me is that there is a story behind that divorce performance that I probably couldn't really tell here given our BLP rules, haha, without rigorous verification. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Some Sunday trivia

DYK ... that Caspar David Friedrich, the artist behind the painting at the top of this page, was an ethnic German yet a Swedish citizen by birth? He was born in Swedish Pomerania and kept his Swedish citizenship and passport all his life, in spite of never living in Sweden. Thomas.W 22:07, 24 November 2013 (UTC) (The section header did say "trivia"; his Swedish nationality and life-long fascination with Sweden is for some reason not mentioned at all on en-WP, while being prominently mentioned, in a separate section, on de-WP, where I read it...)

Transformers AFD

Hi Dr. Mies. How are you? I couldn't help but notice that you nominated some Transformers articles for deletion en masse. Good job. You do realize that that was my "thing" for a while, back in like 2010 and part of 2011, right? How did you even discover the Transformers articles? Well in any case, good job. Transformers Liquidator (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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