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| As for sources, they are what they are. The two listed are widely used by LGBT-affirming Pentecostals. There are other sources, but they are less widely used by Pentecostals. So the sources may not be the best, but they are what is available for now, and are sources used by these churches. (APCI includes a link to one of them on their website.) Were LGBT-affirming Pentecostals a large market, we would undoubtedly see better resources from known publishing companies. But they are not. But self-publishing isn't automatically a disqualifier. The book cited, while self-published, was copyright by Lighthouse Ministries, which has been publishing tracts and booklets for the affirming Pentecostal community since the early 1980's. ] (]) 22:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC) | As for sources, they are what they are. The two listed are widely used by LGBT-affirming Pentecostals. There are other sources, but they are less widely used by Pentecostals. So the sources may not be the best, but they are what is available for now, and are sources used by these churches. (APCI includes a link to one of them on their website.) Were LGBT-affirming Pentecostals a large market, we would undoubtedly see better resources from known publishing companies. But they are not. But self-publishing isn't automatically a disqualifier. The book cited, while self-published, was copyright by Lighthouse Ministries, which has been publishing tracts and booklets for the affirming Pentecostal community since the early 1980's. ] (]) 22:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| ::Trying to infer Pentecostalism by reading between the lines in a statement of faith is naked original research. You may or may not be correct, it doesn't matter. You need a source, not your own reasoning. | |||
| ::Self-published sources are only usable under narrow circumstances, per ]. If you can demonstrate that Carey is a recognized authority whose views have been published by third parties with editorial oversight, I'm all ears. Failing that, he doesn't clear WP:V. And I sincerely hope that you don't plan to vigorously defend that "Hope Remains" website. You simply don't have any chance at all of showing it meets Misplaced Pages standards. ] (]) 22:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Your editing is precocious - see WP: PEH. Why? Hyper3 (talk) 11:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Need specifics
In editing List of Christian Denominational Positions on Homosexuality, re: Pentecostal Churches, you wrote: "These are not Pentecostal Churches, according to their own websites. Needs a better source or these have to come out." Can you be specific? Which churches do you believe are not Pentecostal? Although some of their websites may not use the word Pentecostal, there are other indications that they are. For example, the AAIM website states: "The baptisms of Water and Spirit are promises for all believers." The baptism of the Spirit tends to be unique to Pentecostal and Charismatic churches. Anthem Phoenix, while I strongly disagree with most of their theology, mentions " We believe Jesus Christ sends the Holy Spirit to dwell in the hearts of believers, empowers them with gifts, convicts, guides, comforts, counsels, and leads us into truth through a communal life of worship and a missional expression of our faith." Mention of the gifts tends to suggest a Pentecostal or Charismatic group. The New Covenant Church likewise indicates a believe in Spirit baptism.
As for sources, they are what they are. The two listed are widely used by LGBT-affirming Pentecostals. There are other sources, but they are less widely used by Pentecostals. So the sources may not be the best, but they are what is available for now, and are sources used by these churches. (APCI includes a link to one of them on their website.) Were LGBT-affirming Pentecostals a large market, we would undoubtedly see better resources from known publishing companies. But they are not. But self-publishing isn't automatically a disqualifier. The book cited, while self-published, was copyright by Lighthouse Ministries, which has been publishing tracts and booklets for the affirming Pentecostal community since the early 1980's. BroWCarey (talk) 22:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Trying to infer Pentecostalism by reading between the lines in a statement of faith is naked original research. You may or may not be correct, it doesn't matter. You need a source, not your own reasoning.
- Self-published sources are only usable under narrow circumstances, per WP:SPS. If you can demonstrate that Carey is a recognized authority whose views have been published by third parties with editorial oversight, I'm all ears. Failing that, he doesn't clear WP:V. And I sincerely hope that you don't plan to vigorously defend that "Hope Remains" website. You simply don't have any chance at all of showing it meets Misplaced Pages standards. Roccodrift (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)