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I want to make an alternate artivle name auto-redirect to the article itself, not a suggestion list

How can I make the result for the search Whisper (app) be the same article I get when I also search: Whisperapp, Whisper app, Whisper application, WhisperText, Whisper text, and Whisper.sh? I submitted these, but all I see is that I now get the suggestions page instead of the article itself. I want all those searches to go straight to the article. How can I do that? InternetUser25 (talk) 21:32, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Two Questions-- one re Image Rights and one re the Infobox

1. I've added-to the biography of John Hall Wheelock, which was little more than his birth/death dates and the fact that he was a poet, and I took off the banner saying there needed to be more said about him. I will eventually add some chapters to his life, with more references etc. (I didn't know this man but discovered him while working on The Harvard Monthly article.) My idea in regard to articles in general is that they need to invite the reader, and breaking up the text with images is important. A portrait is important on a biography, and I have found a nice one of this man listed on eBay, which was once the property of a newspaper that ran an article on him. Here is my question: If I buy the picture, is it then "mine", and can I upload it with all the attributions-- name of photographer, when and where it was published originally, etc.? If it is "mine", should I upload to the Commons? I realize it wouldn't be "mine" in the sense that I created it, but perhaps "mine" to share.

2. I've seen some discussion re the use of the Infobox. It seems some editors don't like them and want a picture without all the description. I've liked them, as I can get an immediate sense of who the person is-- although visually it seems "cleaner" when the picture is without all the words. My "vote" would be that the "lesser-known" individuals be given an Infobox, and those who are "household names" don't need one (i.e. we know what Christopher Columbus did-- and you couldn't fit all the genocide and other controversies into an Infobox anyway). So... if I can purchase and upload a picture of Mr. Wheelock, I will give him an Infobox. They can be tedious to create... so if it seems they aren't desired and some bot will come along eventually and eat them, I could skip doing this. Kathrynklos (talk) 17:41, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, and it looks to me you've improved the John Hall Wheelock article greatly. If this is your start in Misplaced Pages, we'll be hoping you stay around! In reply to your first question, if this is the photo, it looks as if it was published in 1936 (but might have been published earlier). If it was published with a copyright notice and the copyright was renewed, it will stay in copyright until 2031. Otherwise it has fallen out of copyright. Buying it will make no difference to whether you can upload a scan. You would own the photo but not the copyright. If it is out of copyright you could legally just copy the image from eBay. You could ask at WP:Media copyright questions and someone may be able to tell you if copyright was renewed. I personally don't know how to find out. Best wishes. Thincat (talk) 18:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

And regarding infoboxes. There is no policy dictating whether or not an article has an infobox and in my experience in an article like this there will be no trouble either way. You can do whatever you think is best. Someone might remove one but that is pretty unlikely to happen. Slightly more likely would be that someone else might add one. No bot has got (or would get) approval for automatically removing infoboxes. Thincat (talk) 19:01, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the feedback and suggestions. Yes, you found the image I like of this fellow. I'll follow-up as you suggest and if I can't use this one, perhaps will find another. Happy Holidays! Kathrynklos (talk) 19:38, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello again Kathrynklos. You do not need to purchase a copy of the photo. Since the person is dead, the "fair use" exception to copyright allows use of a low resolution version only to illustrate that biography. Please read Non-free content, paying special attention to section 4.1.3, item #10 on that list. Upload to Misplaced Pages (not Wikimedia Commons which is for freely licensed work only), and credit the original source plus the website where you found it. Cullen Let's discuss it 20:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Where is the "publish" button on a Misplaced Pages entry ready for publication or review?

Hi, I'd like to know where the "publish" button is for a Misplaced Pages entry? I've completed my entry for now and would just like to publish it. Thanks. Spidertech (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, when your draft is ready just look at the bottom left of the screen and then click save page. All should be fine then. Valenciano (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Welcome to the tea-house. The short answer is that articles are not "published", but are "moved" to main space, using the Move command.
However, I note that all of your edits to date, except the question above, have been to your user page. If you are intending to "publish" the text that is currently at User:Spidertech can I suggest you don't, as it will almost certainly be deleted, almost immediately.
In order to justify an article, you need to show that the company and/or product is "notable" in Misplaced Pages's use of the word, i.e. that it has received extensive coverage in reliable, third party, publications. One link, to the company's own web-site, is totally inadequate.
Unfortunately, there is further bad news, in that your user-name appears to contravene Misplaced Pages's user name policy specifically the section WP:CORPNAME which precludes user names that "consist of a name of a company, group, institution or product".
Assuming you are related to the company, you should read Misplaced Pages's policy on conflict of interest, before proceeding any further. - Arjayay (talk) 17:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello and many thanks to all of you for your help. I am new to Misplaced Pages and creating an entry on behalf of the company I work for. This is totally new to me and I am finding it very confusing, so much appreciated. Spidertech (talk) 18:37, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Changing the name on a Wiki Page

I created a page Zomaron merchant services, but the second and third word of the company name did not capitalize. I can't seem to find a way to get the first letters capital. Help if you know how!

(Slebert18 (talk) 15:58, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Slebert18. To rename a page, you move it to the new name using the Move button in the top right (in the drop down menu to the right of View History). Samwalton9 (talk) 16:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Samwalton9!

{Slebert18 (talk) 16:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Preview

I am clicking show preview of my page in the sandbox however it is not showing me anything, its just blank. I have saved my page, however it keeps saying this is only a preview, this page has not been saved LOPC (talk) 10:58, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi LOPC, see my change to the article, you'd added an extra ! in your formatting which was causing the whole page to be hidden :) Samwalton9 (talk) 11:02, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Accidental log out while editing.

Hi,

While I was editing, I accidentally log out of Misplaced Pages before save my edits. They were saved, but instead of my id, my IP address was recorded. Is it possible to remove this edit so that my IP is not visible on the "View History" page? Thanks. Marchjuly (talk) 09:13, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey Marchjuly. I have revision deleted, hiding the IP address. One way to avoid this problem is to make the Save Page button a different color. Mine's green when logged in. You can do this too by adding to Special:MyPage/skin.css the following:

/* Turn the "Save page" button green when logged in */
INPUT#wpSave {
    background-color:#88ff88;
}

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:25, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Neat idea about the CSS skin. 8-) Andy Dingley (talk) 13:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that Fuhghettaboutit. That sounds like a good idea, but I'm not exactly sure how to do it. Marchjuly (talk) 13:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Could you fix the same problem on this page too? Thanks in advance.Marchjuly (talk) 14:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

When you are editing your skin.css, instead of copying & pasting the source from above, with the <source>...</source>, you ought to copy & paste what you can see displayed in the box above. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you David Biddulph -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:18, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Feedback on first article?

Hi,

I am working on an article in the sandbox of a friend and I wanted some feedback as to how it would fare under Misplaced Pages's guidelines? Any suggestions welcome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Ruair%C3%AD_Donnelly/sandbox

Max Carpendale (talk) 06:14, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Max. Welcome to the Teahouse! Right now the article reads like an essay rather than an encyclopedia article. Phrases like:

...discussed in the context of theodicies as an example of the large amount of evil in the world. In this context, it is also an example of evil that humans are not responsible for causing and that is inflicted on animals which are not usually considered able to be morally responsible or able to deserve punishment.

Are not neutral, and have to be removed. In a nutshell, the article must not take sides, but should explain the sides, fairly and without bias. This applies to both what you say and how you say it. I hope this helps. Thanks for contributing to the encyclopedia. -- Ross Hill (Talk) 20:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Spacing in section headings

When I write section headings am I supposed to put spaces between the words and the equal signs on either side? I've seen it both ways. Is there a preferred standard on Misplaced Pages? Transphasic (talk) 01:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Transphasic. Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style#Section headings says: "Spaces between the equal signs and the heading text are optional, and will not affect the way the heading is displayed." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Seeking reason for rejection of proposed article

My proposed article on HERMAN C. KOENIG, friend of H. P. Lovecraft's and author of the Introduction to THE HOUSE ON THE BORDERLAND AND OTHER NOVELS by William Hope Hodgson has been rejected. I received four emails from Northamerica1000, but don't know the reason for the rejection. Help? GeneBi (talk) 22:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, GeneBi, and welcome. As I can see, your proposed article is here: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Herman Charles Koenig. It was mistakenly declined by User:Northamerica1000, but he realized his mistake (), and the article is now tagged as "Review waiting." It is still waiting for the new review.

But, the article indeed has some issued and I'm afraid it will be declined again if you do not improve it. It has only two sources. You should add more reliable sources to prove that the person is indeed notable. And, the article has no footnotes which are needed to have verifability. You should work on improving the article. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I've replied at User talk:GeneBi#Sorry about mistaken declination of AfC submission, where I've explained the error that occurred and provided advice about improving the AfC submission. This user apparently receives automatic emails when messages are left on their talk page, so they received them when the AfC template for the mistakenly-declined submission was sent by the AfC helper script, when I removed the template, when I addended the teabox template notice to be the standard welcome (rather than one for declined submissions) and when I added my general welcoming template to their page. Northamerica1000 04:47, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Is there a way to link to pay-per-view articles?

Hi everyone. I am relatively new to Misplaced Pages. I recently created a page that was accepted, published, and then immediately tagged by an editor with "Does not appear to be a notable advocacy organization. A lawsuit they filed got press, but not the group." The editor was correct in noting that there was a lot of press for the organization's judicial work, which I have referenced, but since the organization's main legislative work was done in the state's capital, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, the majority of press it received was printed in the capital's newspaper of record, The Baton Rouge Advocate. My conundrum here is that the Baton Rouge Advocate charges for access to the articles within its archives, and the articles that would show that this organization received press are primarily within the archives. My question is this: I'd like to show that this organization did indeed get press, but how should I show this if the articles are only accessible through purchase? Thanks for anyone's help on this. oBTBrianThibodeaux (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, BrianThibodeaux, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is OK to use reliable sources that are hidden behind paywalls. It is OK to use paper sources that aren't even available online. I suggest including a germane one or two sentence quotation from the source in the reference. If you have an abundance of good sources, use accessible ones. If the sources are fewer, use the best ones you can find. Cullen Let's discuss it 00:12, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

AfD bias

Aaand, another one: what do I do if I suspect AfD bias? There's an article that was proposed for deletion because it is claimed (yes, claimed) to be uncategorizable (there is a very clear category under which it falls, but the editor seems to be unaware of it - no problem as I pointed it out), unsourced (but there are notable references on the page) and original research (again, the references are good). The nominator seems to not have a good grasp on the subject of the article (I can tell because I do) and most 'delete' votes have 'as per user..., couldn't have said it better myself' justifications, which fall under the no justification or follow the leader categories. Admittedly the article features a controversial subject (implications of quantum mechanics) however this controversy was between some of the most famous people in the world. I am assuming good faith, still I don't understand why the editors evaluate a subject they obviously don't know in detail. Please help me with input that does not overlap the areas I have already researched as per links. Thank you! Alma (talk) 12:54, 22 December 2013 (UTC) And can the article be edited (as in clarified and improved) during the AfD debate? I can't find this information. Thank you! Alma (talk) 12:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Almaionescu, and welcome to the teahouse! First of all, yes you certainly can continue to edit and further refine the article during the AfD. (Though you're not supposed to blank it, rename/move it, or remove the AfD notice.)

Second, if the AfD discussion is as you say, then the closing administrator should act accordingly. Without seeing the AfD, it's impossible for me to say whether it will be apparent to the closing administrator that your characterisation of the AfD is correct. (Certainly "I can't think what category to put this topic in" is not a valid reason to delete an article.) Third, on the subject of "between some of the most famous people in the world"; I once had an argument (also about the implications of quantum mechanics) with Roger Penrose in a pub, but his being very famous doesn't make our argument notable, because notability is WP:NOTINHERITED (amongst other reasons). That may or may not be relevant here, but it's one way of looking at the problem.

Others may be able to comment in more detail, especially if they go through your contributions to find which AfD you're actually talking about. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I am really grateful for your reply, especially because since my last post one of the deleters used the "in my opinion" argument. If you wish to see the current status you are my guests here. My main concern is that I'm not sure if I'm actually right. For your information, I just finished reworking the 'background and history' in the hope to make it actually encyclopedic. Of course you can see the history for what was there before. Thank you so much! Alma (talk) 15:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I see no evidence of bias in the debate, and one need not be a topic expert to participate in an AfD debate. There is nothing wrong with an editor stating that they are in agreement with another editor, and that opinion is taken into consideration by the closing administrator if the other editor's argument is compelling and on point. This seems to be a high level debate, though some of the comments seem more appropriate for the article's talk page. Debate should focus on the notability of the topic, whether any synthesis or original research are present in the article, the reliability of the current sources and specific additional sources that can be used to improve the article, and so on. As a participant in a couple of thousand AfD debates, the best advice I can give is to sit back once you've made your best points, and let the debate play out. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

In addition, I would like to say that the essay called Follow the leader is not widely cited in deletion debates and as I see it, contains a mixture of good and bad advice. It seems to be arguing that the original writer of an article, or substantive contributors to the article, are better able to evaluate the notability of the topic than uninvolved editors. My educated guess is that few experienced AfD participants would accept that view. It is very common to see article authors arguing stubbornly to keep an article on a clearly non-notable topic. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen! I asked precisely because I took in consideration that I may not be right. Regarding the "follow the leader", I was referring specifically to the definition "Follow the leader occurs during a deletion discussion (such as an AfD), when the first editor to comment on the board, or in some cases, the nominator, gives his/her opinion, and then most editors who give their opinions thereafter are strongly influenced by that first comment", this seems to be a logical argumentation and also the case due to the comments "delete as per nominator/user..."; . I very much agree that one doesn't have to be an expert to vote, however I, as a non-expert in, say, paleontology, would have real difficulty making and sustaining compelling arguments about the non-notability of a related topic (arguments which are explicitly required by the procedure to close an AfD). The debate was open as for "original research", but I'm not sure I follow how can one who is not familiar with a field can spot original research. Not being familiar with a topic and yet being able to emit heavy arguments on it seems a bit inconsistent. Alma (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Status of my article

Hello,

Am trying to get this article up on Misplaced Pages since a while now.

Can someone help me please? https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/

Shrikant Narayan (talk) 12:34, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

You've missed the last part of the filename in your question, and there are no AFCs listed under your contributions. If you mean Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Shrikant Narayan, you have received plenty of feedback there, and on your user talk page (or at User talk:Smitha Satpute, which is where your user talk page redirects); have you read the links there? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Note also that having changed your user name from User:Shrikant Narayan to User:Smitha Satpute, you have now confused the issue by logging in under your old user name instead of the new one. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:09, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply.

I got an input from another reviewer that I should change the user name from Shrikant Narayan. I am not Shrikant Narayan. The subject is a very popular singer, and am trying to get his article. Can you please suggest specifically how do I reduce the confusion?!

Smitha Satpute (talk) 13:22, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Changing your username was a good idea; it's confusing when someone uses the name of a different person. The change may cause a little confusion at first, but it will be better in the long run to have your own identity, and your willingness to make the change shows that you respect Misplaced Pages policies. Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 18:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Can I know the status of my article now? Have added more references and inline citations. Am keen to get this up before the year ends! Can you please guide on next steps.

Smitha Satpute (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Embedding video content & ownership issue

Is there a way to embed videos that are not uploaded to wikimedia commons? It seems not possible according to the page but I thought to ask. I just saw this NatGeo video on Rosslyn Chapel (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/12/laser-archaeology/rosslyn-chapel-video) and thought it would make a great addition to the page. Is it acceptable and sufficient from an ownership standpoint (from our rules perspective) if I obtain their acceptance to use on Misplaced Pages? Alma (talk) 10:38, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Alma and welcome to the Teahouse. It is not possible to add any file to the article that is not uploaded to Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons. This is mostly because of Copyrights issues, but there are other reasons. Misplaced Pages is "free" encyclopedia. The purpose of Misplaced Pages is that anyone can use its contents for any purpose (including commercial use), providing that the authors are properly attributed. This includes both text and files found in the articles. So, for example, if you embed a NatGeo video into the article, it would violate NG's copyrights, since Misplaced Pages users would assume that they may use the video for any purpose, which is not the case. The proper (and only possible) way would be to ask NatGeo to give permission for the video to be used for any purpose, and then to upload the copy of the video to Wikimedia Commons. But, remember: It is not enough if they give permission to use the video in Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages and Commons only accepts content that is given permission to be used by anyone for any purpose, and I don't really think that NG would give such a permission. Read more about copyrights here: WP:Copyrights. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:49, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that clarifies it! Alma (talk) 12:18, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Note: the video in question has: "© 2013 National Geographic Society. All rights reserved". However, you could put a link to the NatGeo page in the 'External links' section. ~'Eric: 71.20.250.51 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Eric! Alma (talk) 19:40, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions in order to edit the "Franklin Planner" article page

Hi there! I wish to do a major edit on the Franklin Planner article page. However, I may have a lot of issues regarding the addition of sources, for most of this information is commercially restricted to the FranklinCovey's convenience. It's their right, I reckon. Anyway, my edition would not overrun FranklinCovey's intellectual property rights. And my main source of expertise on the subject is that I have used this personal management system for years.

Suggestions? TIA!

Incumbent article: FranklinCovey

hal100 Hal100 (talk) 10:27, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Hal100, and welcome to the Teahouse. You should understand that the purpose of Misplaced Pages is not to produce new knowledge, but to collect the knowledge about a subject found in reliable sources. When we write Misplaced Pages article, we collect the knowledge about the subject that is found in books, newspapers, magazines, internet news portals, etc. But, we may not copy-paste the book or magazine text verbatim, because that would be copyrights violation. We just use books, magazines, etc. as sources, but retell their text in our words. But, your personal knowledge is not a reliable source (unless you have published a book on the subject or something similar). The fact that you have used this personal management system for years is useful, but you should still use reliable sources when writing about them, and not write your personal experiences. So, if you want to write about Franklin Planner and FranklinCovey, you can use their official web site as a source, but you may not copy-paste text from their web site. But, you should not rely primarly on their web site, since it is not reliable source. It is never reliable when somebody writes about himself. You should find some books, newspapers or magazine articles, or such and use them as sources for the article. (see here: wp:citing sources) Vanjagenije (talk) 12:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Font on page enlarged & not accessible.

Help. while adding wikilnks to Hebei Institute of Architecture and Civil Engineering ,The font size of headings and paragraphs increased. I don't know why the problem was (my pc?) so unsure where to advise / seek help.Andrea edits (talk) 07:26, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Andrea edits. That article appears normal on my monitor. Therefore, I can only assume that it is a problem with your computer, but can't be sure. Try hitting "ctrl" and "-" at the same time to reduce font size, though you may have a different problem. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen for the quick response. I tried your suggestion, but no luck. It must be my computer. Sorry to trouble you.Andrea edits (talk) 07:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Andrea, part of the problem might be that instead of using section headings, someone has used the html markup <big> </big> instead. Changing that might sort things out for you. NtheP (talk) 10:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I will look for the html markup, thank you.--Andrea edits (talk) 00:10, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Requesting some help

Howdy folks! Could somebody help me add Thermal Man to Template:Thor? Apparently I'm not "old" enough here. ;-) Cheers, --THAT AMAZING GUY (Give your friendly bro a love note or two!) 06:06, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Done Rojomoke (talk) 06:12, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch and Feliz Navidad! ;) THAT AMAZING GUY (Give your friendly bro a love note or two!) 07:37, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Editing battle?

There appears to be a battle of wills on the page for Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport. Under "airlines and destinations" it is stated that Southwest Airlines will begin flying to the airport in May to Dallas Love Field and to Las Vegas.

Southwest Airlines does not serve the airport and has not announced any plans to do so.

The page has been edited (not by me) more than once to reflect this, but someone else has keeps putting the information back in. The list of recent edits is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Northwest_Arkansas_Regional_Airport&action=history

What to do? Marinerpacific (talk) 03:26, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Marinerpacific. If this is a battle, it is a slow moving one. If you have researched and are confident that the information is incorrect, please remove it with an edit summary inviting discussion on the article's talk page. I see no discussion there, and that is the right place to try to resolve a content dispute. Please also read about our restrictions on edit warring. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:31, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I've watched the piece of information change several times quite recently. The several changes have been discussed on airliners.net with some bewilderment.

I am extremely confident that Southwest Airlines does not fly to the airport nor has it announced plans to do so.

However, I am not confident to change the information myself because I am a scarcely beginner in the language used in editing here.

I looked for a discussion on the article page, but could not find one, nor any way of starting one, which may - again - be my own language naiveté.

But - thanks for your not very helpful reply. I won't pursue the issue and if it stays as inaccurate, it stays as inaccurate. 122.57.218.238 (talk) 04:46, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry that you did not find my answer helpful. I was trying to encourage you to jump into the article and make the change yourself. Since you don't yet feel comfortable editing boldly, I have reverted the information you say is incorrect and which is certainly unreferenced. I have also started a discussion on the article's talk page. Would you be kind enough to make a comment there? Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Tables

Hi,

I am currently working on a new page. One of the sections includes a pretty big table (4 columns, 62 rows) that I currently have set up to collapse because the table is so big. Is there anyway to change this table so that it divided in two sections of 4 columns, 31 rows each with a white column in between? Also, is there any way to set the color of each individual cell so that it's not the same color as the column header? Thanks. --Marchjuly (talk) 22:58, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey! Welcome to the Teahouse. Regarding the coloring of the table, the header is actually a darker shade of gray than the body of the table. This is the standard coloring for tables in articles, and should usually be left alone. It may just be hard to see the difference on some screens. If you ever do want to change the color of a cell, you can see the details of doing that on our table help guide.

As for splitting the table up, I'm not sure if there's a standardized way that's preferred. The best way I can think of doing it is to divide your current table (4 columns, 62 rows) into two separate tables (4 columns, 31 rows each), and place those tables into another unformatted table side-by-side. Here's an example of the code:

{|
|-
|
<Insert table 1>
|
<Insert table 2>
|}

I took the table from your sandbox and split it, so you can see how it's done:

Finally, if you want, you may place the table into a collapsible box so that both tables can be collapsed at the same time:

Other users might have another way to do this, but I hope this helps! Feel free to follow up with any more questions. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for taking the time to do all of that. You've been a big help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:53, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

@SuperHamster: I have been trying to insert my tables into a collapsible box using the code you provided above, but have not been successful. For some reason, "Table 2" keep showing up outside the box, i.e., both tables "hide" fine, but "Table 2" seems to be outside the box when "show" is clicked. Any idea as to what I might be doing wrong? Also, is it possible to make the "break" between the two tables a little wider? -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem! There are several ways to add spacing, but here's one way:

{|
|-
| style="padding-right: 2em" |
<Insert table 1>
| style="padding-left: 2em" |
<Insert table 2>
|}

What that code does is it adds "padding" to the right side of the first cell, and padding to the left side of the second cell. Increasing "2em" will also increase the padding. I've gone ahead and added the padding to the example I made above so you can take a look at what it looks like.

As for the table showing up outside of the box...I experimented around, but I'm not sure why you might be having problems. I've gone ahead and placed both tables into the box above, so you can take a look at the code. Hopefully it won't have the same problem and you can pinpoint what went wrong :) Hope this helps! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 15:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Hi, if a user has been blocked for using sockpuppets, then creates a new account, but says that they edited under a former (sockpuppet) name, is that allowed? Thanks, Matty.007 14:21, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Matty.007. If the sockpuppet master has an active block or ban, they should not be editing under any circumstances, and should be reported to WP:SPI immediately. If the master account had a temporary block that has ended, then all subsequent editing should be under that account. However, there are reasons for using a disclosed alternate account, for example, for security reasons when traveling and using public networks. So each case needs to be judged individually. Is the person deceiving and disrupting, or currently contributing openly and responsibly? Cullen Let's discuss it 19:52, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cullen, the user is Cloudchased, who admits to being an alternate account of Hurricanefan25, who was blocked indef as being a sockpuppet of Perseus, Son of Zeus, who was also blocked indef. So what should I do do you think? Thanks, Matty.007 20:04, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Please file a report at SPI. Though the editor seems to be contributing productively at the moment, I think the situation should be evaluated by editors with much more experience in dealing with sockpuppets than I have. Thanks for the kind words on my talk page. Cullen Let's discuss it 20:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Please see – I was given permission to re-register on the English Misplaced Pages following a successful appeal to BASC. Thanks, Cloudchased (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I am very sorry for my mistake. Matty.007 20:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

You have nothing to apologize for, Matty.007, though you were kind to extend an olive branch to the returning editor. Your questions were proper and in good faith, as were my answers, I hope. The unblock notice was posted to the editor's talk page after our initial conversation above. Cullen Let's discuss it 21:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to Misplaced Pages, Cloudchased, and Happy Holidays! I hope that you will continue contributing productively. Cullen Let's discuss it 21:59, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Review

Hi can anyone take a look at my contribs and give me some feedback, please? I know there is Editor review for this purpose, but that offers a deep insight. I just want little info. Soham (talk) 08:18, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

@Soham: I've looked through your past thousand edits and they seem mostly good. I notice you do a lot of work with images, which is good. Not a lot of people work with images here. I think some more content creation would be the best way to improve now. Happy editing, --Jakob (talk) 13:35, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Jakob, yes the recent 1000 edits would constitute of 70% images because I went on a poster spree but if you'd check the previous 1000 they are mostly content. Plus I edit in large volumes as you can see here which when compared to file edits which are mostly minor 1-10 bytes get bogged down in number. Plus I have managed to list 5 DYK's until now with three of them being created by me. I have shaped this article also nearly from scratch and will be listing for a GA. I think I'll be focussing more on DYK's now, song articles being the foremost among them. Soham (talk) 13:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

SVG Editing

Hello,

I'm curious if someone can point me to a page explaining how to edit SVG files like this one. I downloaded a FF add-on, but can't figure it out. Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi! SVG's can be confusing at first, but once you get the hang of them, they're not bad. The most common way to edit SVG files is with an external program, the most common one being Inkscape (that's my preference - other editors might have other favorites). Simply download the SVG file you want by saving it as an SVG Document, and open it up with Inkscape. Inkscape might take a while to get used to, but mess around with it - we also have a tutorial on the basics of using Inkscape (Misplaced Pages:How to draw a diagram with Inkscape), and you can definitely find more help around the internet. If you run into trouble and have any questions while editing, general SVG troubleshooting can be found at Misplaced Pages:SVG help. Hope this helps, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 05:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. I'll give it a shot! EvergreenFir (talk) 05:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Blocking IP addresses

Hi, I'm Katastasi, I'm just wondering if, as with the protection of pages, it is possible to request administrators to block IP addresses associated with vandalism? Thanks. I'm not there 04:40, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is! Check out WP:RVAN. There are certain procedures you must follow though before reporting it unless the vandalism is extreme (like racist slurs in a personal attack). Cheers. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:12, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

How can I edit a template?

I wish to edit a template for the Heart of Wessex Line route diagram, but it's too complex. Is it possible to help it be less complex so I can do this more easily? Captain Cornwall (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Captain Cornwall, the rail diagram templates are complicated to use because they have to be very versatile and support a lot of variations. What changes do you want to make? NtheP (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I wish to change some track which says it's disused to the symbol for it still being in use because I know it's still in use. It's the section of track leading south towards Westbury.

Do you mean the section between Westbury East Loop and Westbury North Junctions? If so I've fixed it. NtheP (talk) 17:30, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, what you "know" to be true is not good enough for Misplaced Pages, can you cite a Reliable source that can be Verified? -Arjayay (talk) 16:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Arjayay - most RDTs are unverified in the sense that they are constructed from various atlases, network rail documents but these are not quoted in the templates. This edit is easily verified or if controversial can be discussed on the talk page. NtheP (talk) 17:30, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's been fixed now. Captain Cornwall (talk) 19:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

how to improve my article for creation ?

I have recently edited this article Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Convibra and it got rejected. Can I simply try and translate into English the article about Convibra that exists on[REDACTED] in Portuguese language? Would it get accepted this way? 95.77.237.140 (talk) 20:41, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Translating an article from another language Misplaced Pages is a perfectly good way of creating it (but it must be properly attributed: see WP:Translation). It may or may not give a better result than your previous attempt: it depends how good the Portuguese article is (and it might also depend on how different the rules are in the Portuguese Misplaced Pages: different language Wikipedias are independent projects, and don't necessarily have the same rules). Please look at The five pillars of Misplaced Pages to understand the basic rules of English Misplaced Pages. --ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Rejected article

Heading added by ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I want to Improve my Article which is declined by admin the link of this article is given below:

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Shams ul Fuqara Mrashid364 (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Mrashi364. Please follow the links in the rejection message, as these explain what you need to do. The main point is that the draft article does not contain a single reference to a reliable source indepedent of the subject. All Misplaced Pages articles must be grounded in writing about the subject, published by somebody unconnected with the subject (this does not have to be online, or in English, though it is best if it can be). Second, evaluative statements (such as "proves to be" and "leaves no need to read" are not permitted in Misplaced Pages articles, unless they are taken directly from published writing by sources unconnected with the subject. Basically, you have written an article from your own knowledge and enthusiasm. But a Misplaced Pages article must come from published knowledge about the subject, and must contain only neutral, not partisan, language. --ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

making a link point to a section in an article

How can I make a link point to a specific section in an article, rather than the start of the article? thanks Emekadavid (talk) 18:35, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Add a # after the name of the article as so: ] Samwalton9 (talk) 18:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

The article name goes before the "#" and the section name goes after. Whatever you add after the vertical line "|" is the text displayed in the resulting link. Cullen Let's discuss it 18:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Are there guidelines for this? I am tempted to link to a specific section but wonder if the titles of sections change often enough to make this a problem by eventually leaving deadlinks. Thanks Fettlemap (talk) 17:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Fettlemap, great question and the answer is yes. The guideline is WP:ANCHOR and the template is {{anchor}}, incidentally the template allows you to link to any point in an article, not just a section. Unless you think the section name is very likely to change I'd stick to the # method of linking. NtheP (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

You can always click on the "History" tab to see if the article is relatively stable with just minor maintenance edits, or if it has had lots of major substantive edits in recent months, adding or deleting large blocks of text. If the article is pretty stable, it is much less likely that a section will be deleted or renamed. Cullen Let's discuss it 19:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Reduce photo size in infobox?

I tried adding an field to the info box but that didn't work. The article in question is here. Thanks!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi - you'll need to put an underscore between "image" and "size", making the parameter . See the infobox documentation for all parameters, which need to be used exactly as shown. Cheers, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very helpful! :-) -- — Keithbob • Talk • 21:34, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Adoption

Hello! I am new to editing Misplaced Pages but have referred to it for years. Is mentoring via "adoption" still available to new editors? Where can I find more information about this in order to be adopted? Writers Bond (talk) 15:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is - you can find information about how to become adopted at Adopt-a-user. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!  :) Writers Bond (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

NHK Cup (Go)

Hi,

I've been trying to improve the NHK Cup (Go) article so that it something more than simply a few descriptive sentences and a list of past tournament champions. I think I've done OK so far, but I'd like to flesh it out a little more. I could simply translate what's on the Japanese Misplaced Pages page, but I'm not sure if that's really acceptable. Moreover, that are quite a few a sources I could use to support what I've added so far, but they are all in Japanese and I'm not sure if that's OK. To be honest, I am not sure if there are really many sources in English that contain information on this tournament worth using. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:26, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Marchjuly. It is perfectly acceptable to translate an article or part of an article from one language to another, as long as you properly attribute the source. Please see WP:TRANSLATE for more information. And it is also perfectly acceptable to cite reliable sources in other languages. English language sources are preferred if a wide range of sources are available, but reliable, independent Japanese language sources are perfectly acceptable for a Japanese topic. This is the English language encyclopedia of the entire world (and universe), not the encyclopedia of the English-speaking world. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:16, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Is it acceptable to cite other versions of Misplaced Pages as a source? -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:24, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

No, because they are not considered reliable (in that anyone can change them). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Advice on British English being changed to American English

I created a page about a British children's TV show a while ago. I like to check on it and see how it is doing. Recently the show aired in the US and a user has changed the spelling of the page from British to American English and has modified some terminology to American e.g. wool to yarn, bobsleigh to bobsled etc.

Some character names have also been changed. I know these are not correct for the UK version. I guess these may be correct for the US version of the show however I cannot find a reference to back-up these changes.

I understand[REDACTED] should be neutral and does not favour one version of a language over another. As this page was first written in British English (and concerns a British show) I think it is okay to undo these changes. Would it be fair and correct to put the US alternative in brackets i.e. wool (yarn) to account for the differences?

I am new to[REDACTED] and would appreciate some advice on what is best to do.

Thank you for any help you can give me, Thecrumble (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

What's the article? There is a policy at WP:ENGVAR where one version should be consistently applied throughout an article, and if a topic has a strong identification with a specific English nationality, its dialect should be used. Often, inexperienced users will make changes to their native spelling without realizing this... Boogerpatrol (talk) 22:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I think it is Sarah & Duck. It should use British English per WP:TIES. But as Mr or Ms Patrol has pointed out, people often do this not to be obnoxious but because they don't realize realise.

We wouldn't put things like "wool (yarn)", just "wool" will do. However, it would seem sensible to include the US names of characters in some way if they are different. Formerip (talk) 23:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, it is Sarah & Duck. Thank you to you both for your replies. They are very helpful. I'll will switch it back to British English but will try to incororpate US name varients in some way. Thanks again Thecrumble (talk) 00:31, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Why not add a new section (e.g., "US TV Adaptation") briefly describing the difference between the two versions of the show as somebody did for the TV Series Extras (TV series). Or, if there's enough information on the US version of the show, then just ask the person who made those edits to create a new article for it like they have for The Office (UK TV series) and The Office (US TV Series). The UK Version can use British English and the US Version can use American English. Not sure if that's a very Misplaced Pages approach to something like this, but it seems pretty sensible to me. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:57, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I support MarchJuly's suggestions.S Philbrick(Talk) 15:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Need expert help to improve declined article

Hi - I've submitted an article for review: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/SocietyOne The article was declined: Notability of organization, secondary reliable sources, WP:NOT ADVERTISING, COI. I was wondering how I could get expert help to improve referencing and overall article so it's fit to publish? Thanks, Abey Asaied10 (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Asaied10. The article now has 39 references, which may be overwhelming to a reviewer. I suggest that you identify three to five sources which are the very best for establishing notability here on Misplaced Pages. These would be, for example, articles in major newspapers or journals with professional editorial control that give significant coverage to SocietyOne. Ideally, they should be articles not hidden behind pay walls. Another problem is that this financial institution is now very small, having offered just AUD$2 million in loans. Some reviewers may have a hard time seeing a company this small as notable. In my opinion, the article is now far too long and detailed for an article on a small business. I recommend trimming the article wayyyy back, including only the information that is fully verifiable through reliable, independent sources. And remove every word and phrase that can be construed as promotional in the slightest. I see that you are in conversation with the reviewer, and that is a good thing. If you can convince the reviewer of the company's notability, that is the key. Good luck. Cullen Let's discuss it 00:58, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Help to improve this article

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Shams ul Fuqara Mrashid364 (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Can you to set the "time" for your time stamp, etc.?

Does all of Misplaced Pages use the same "clock" when it comes to editing, messaging, etc., etc. I am operating on JST (Japanese Standard Time), but ever time I leave a message, make a contribution or use my "time stamp," etc., it appears to be using a different time zone. Is this how it is supposed to be? It kind of makes sense to have the "clock" for edits, etc. be the same for everyone because it makes things easier to follow. I am just curious. Right now it's Dec. 20, 2013, 6:43 here but my time stamp will probably say Dec 19, 2013 21:43 or something like that for this post.--- Marchjuly (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Timetags are usually stored in UTC (GMT), but at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets there is an option for them to be displayed in your local time. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I noticed the UTC tag almost immediately after I posted that question. Not sure why I didn't catch it before. However, I didn't know about Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, so thanks for that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

"UTC" really means Coordinated universal time which is the modern equivalent of Greenwich Mean Time. Since this is a worldwide project, it is logical that we use a universal time. I kind of like the fact that the next day on Misplaced Pages starts in the afternoon for me here in California. It is a constant reminder of where I live on the globe, and that things are different for other editors elsewhere. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:31, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

locking an article for translation for a limited time

Is it wise and possible to lock an article for a limited time so I can be the only one to translate it. if possible, what is the allowable limits for locking? I'd like to do this so I can be able to follow the thought-process for such article scrupulously, especially for scientific articles. If not, why is this policy not in place? thanks Emekadavid (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Emekadavid and welcome to the Teahouse. We only "lock" or protect an article in cases of persistent vandalism. Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit at any time within policies and guidelines. Preventing people from editing an article should be the last resort. Cullen Let's discuss it 20:17, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

There is a template: {{construction}} that can be placed at the top of an article. Although it doesn't prohibit others from editing, (if I understand your intent), it could allow you to explain your situation (comment=). ~I hope this helps (?) ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 20:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC) — This might be a better option: Template:In use/doc ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 20:40, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Beau! I think the {{construction}} template is fine and adequate. Emekadavid (talk) 02:37, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

After translating an article, what next?

I believe I should not be accused of laziness in searching for the information to this question, but the mountain of information on[REDACTED] makes it wiser that I ask it here else I'd spend so much time searching, which unfortunately I do not have. Question: After translating an article from french to english, and inserting the markup Template:Translated:xxx:xxx, what happens next? I couldn't find this information on the Misplaced Pages:Translate page. Please,, can anyone help me understand the translation cycle? Emekadavid (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Emekadavid! Welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you are talking about article École nationale supérieure de l'énergie, l'eau et l'environnement. As I can see, you translated the article from French Misplaced Pages, and properly tagged it with the Template:Translated on the talk page. That's it. You finished the translating, so you may remove the {{Expand French}} tag from the article. That's the end of the cycle. But, I want to point out to some problems. First of all, you should not add signatures to articles (see: WP:Avoiding common mistakes). I removed your signature from the article (). You tagged the talk page of the same article with the Template:Translated, but you didn't fill the "version" parameter. This is important, so that in the future we are able to know which version of the article you've translated. I fixed this (). The problem with the article itself (École nationale supérieure de l'énergie, l'eau et l'environnement) is that the french original itself is not very well written, so the translated article needs to be improved. There are only two inline citations, and both sources just mention this school, but do not write anything about it. So, the article is practically lacking reliable references. Those need to be added so to make article WP:Verifiable, which is very important. The other problem is that you translated categories verbatim, but English Misplaced Pages is totally independent of French Misplaced Pages, so they do not have same categories. The article needs to be categorized. Those are the most obvious problems that need to be fixed as soon as possible. Feel free to ask for any kind of help. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:14, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Your response has been noted. I will work on them one after the other. Emekadavid (talk) 02:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

1. Improving the article needs considerable research. I'll have to plan on it. The article along with the french original is on my watchlist. 2. When 1 is fulfilled, inline citations will be expanded upon for reliable references and WP:verifiability. 3. I think I need a little tutorial on categorization. Add it here so that I'd search for the tutorial on WP. 4. I noticed that the talk page on the article was categorized as "Pages translated from french wikipedia". That was thoughtful of WP. solves lots of problems. Do I do same categorization on the article page? Thanks for now. Will keep in touch. Emekadavid (talk) 02:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you should categorize the article. You can find more about it here: Help:Category. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:48, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, some of the articles I will be writing will contain lots of scientific formulas. Are there specific markups for scientific formulas? I think there are although where, only experts like yourself Vanjagenije know. Do help! Emekadavid (talk) 21:12, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! You can find everything about writing formulas here: Help:Math. And also, be sure to follow this policy: MOS:MATH. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:23, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. archived in memory. Emekadavid (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

My article was accepted, but still not posted

Can someone plz help post my article on Best Employers in Canada? Or advise how I can push live. It has been reviewed and accepted, but not posted. Thanks WP community Souagague (talk) 14:52, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Souagague, good news for you - your draft was accepted on 14 December and you can find it at Best Employers in Canada (study). NtheP (talk) 16:13, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Remember that you can find articles to which you contributed by clicking on the "Contributions" link right at the top of any Misplaced Pages page. If you are struggling to sort out articles you created from others to which you contributed, there is an "articles created" link at the bottom of your contributions page. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:21, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "not posted". If you mean it does not currently show up in an external search engine like Google then this is not something we control. It shows up for me on the Google search "Best Employers in Canada" site:wikipedia.org, but not on the first 10 pages of "Best Employers in Canada". Google usually ranks Misplaced Pages articles highly once they have been indexed so the situation seems a little unusual to me, but it is outside our control - at least direct control. Note the message boxes about "orphan" and "categories" on the article. If you do something about those then it's possible (no promises) that Google will rank the page higher at a later time after their Googlebot has found links to the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:30, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Recently Deceased Person: Larry Lujack

Hi,

Somebody has recently made an edit to the Larry Lujack page stating that Mr. Lujack died of cancer on December 18, 2013. However, no links were provided so that this could be verified. The Misplaced Pages user who made this edit is only listed as an IP address and they have no talk page. The wording of the edit also does not seem to be from a very neutral point of view. I have posted something about this on the talk, but have a feeling that nobody is going to respond. I'm not sure if it is appropriate for me to edit a page of somebody who is said to have died within the past 24 hours. I've tried searching for verification online but nothing can be found. What is typically done in such cases? Marchjuly (talk) 04:47, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to Connormah for finding a source to verify this that this person has died Marchjuly (talk) 05:11, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do not feel at all bad for insisting on reliable sources for this person's death, Marchjuly. You were 100% correct to wait for the proper sources, even if it turned out that the person had actually died. It is a common pattern that Twitter and blogs and other unreliable sources will be first in reporting a celebrity death, while reliable sources are busy engaging in fact checking. Let them have their 30 minute scoops. We proudly report only on what reliable sources say, and we don't need to yearn for scoops on Misplaced Pages. That is not our game. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:05, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Marchjuly (talk) 07:29, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Can I add my self to Misplaced Pages for posterity

I would like to add myself to Misplaced Pages. Just an ordinary person with no notoriety.

ThanksPorche4629 (talk) 03:13, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

No. --Onorem (talk) 03:16, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Porche4629. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia which includes a very large number of articles about notable topics. We define "notable" as a topic which has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Every word I've used in the previous sentence is defined very carefully here. So, if you are just an ordinary person who has never been written about in detail as an individual in professionally edited newspapers, magazines or books, then you are not notable by Misplaced Pages's standards, and any article written about you will almost certainly be deleted. Cullen Let's discuss it

Porche4629 Why not just become a registered Misplaced Pages user and create your own user page? You don't have to be notable to be an active contributor to Misplaced Pages. Marchjuly (talk) 05:32, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Marchjuly, the original poster is already a registered Misplaced Pages user, but has not yet created a user page. But a user page (which I have) is not by any means the same thing as a Misplaced Pages article. A user page describes a person in the context of their work to improve this encyclopedia, for use by other editors for purposes of collaboration. An article is a well-referenced biography of a notable person's whole life, for information to all readers worldwide. There is a fundamental difference. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:54, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't trying to encourage anyone to circumvent the process or imply that a user page was the same as actual article. Meant it sort of tongue and cheek. The "create a user page" was simply an attempt to encourage Porche4629 to take a more active part in the Misplaced Pages process since they had already taken the time to register an account. Sorry, my bad. Marchjuly (talk) 07:42, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem, Marchjuly. A little bit of "tongue in cheek" humor is always welcomed here, as long as our visitors understand the core points regarding editing Misplaced Pages. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:13, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

on which public space on[REDACTED] can i publish a that the article Ross William Ulbricht was created?

on which public space on[REDACTED] can i publish a that the article Ross William Ulbricht was created?TheRamtzi (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheRamtzi. The most highly visible public place to let people know about a new article is Did you know, which is featured on the home page. However, your article is very brief and would need to be expanded and better referenced to be eligible for that honor. Since your article is about a person accused but not yet convicted of a crime, it needs to be written with great care and sensitivity. You have a lot of work to do before your article is ready for high profile attention. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:56, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Cullen328, tnx for the answer. indeed the article need more to work, thats why i want the attention of the community. for assist to edit.

tnx again man:)

--TheRamtzi (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

We have millions of articles and many are created every hour. See Special:NewPages for an automatically generated list. You can place stub templates to indicate an article could use expansion, but it often has no effect. We probably have more than a million stubs. If you want an article to be improved then you often have to do it yourself or wait a really long time. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:49, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Zack Norman article

AN OPEN LETTER TO[REDACTED] Re: ZACK NORMAN Article December 18, 2013

Link to article: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Zack Norman

To whom it may concern –

For over a year now, I have been trying to get an article about actor/producer ZACK NORMAN onto Misplaced Pages, only to be rebuffed time and again by numerous editors on various grounds. Wherever possible, I have made the corrections and adjustments suggested by the rejecting editors – some of whom were very helpful and friendly – and resubmitted, but there is one issue on which I keep running into opposition among your staff, and that is the question of Mr. Norman’s “notability”.

As an actor, Zack Norman has appeared in dozens of well-known films, many of which have their own independent articles on Misplaced Pages: Romancing the Stone, Cadillac Man, Festival in Cannes, Tracks, Sitting Ducks, etc. I realize that Misplaced Pages doesn’t accept itself as a reliable third-party reference source, but just to keep things clear and simple for the moment, if you check the cast lists in any one of these films’ articles, you will find Zack Norman’s name listed prominently among them, usually within the first half dozen credits. For example, in the article for Romancing the Stone, he is listed fourth, right after Michael Douglas, Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito. But what is even more relevant here is the fact that Zack Norman is the only one of the first eight actors listed who does not have an article of his own on Misplaced Pages. In the article for the film Cadillac Man, Zack Norman is the only one of eleven listed without an independent article; for Festival in Cannes, he is one of two of eleven cast members without their own article. And so on and so forth.

What bothers me is not that an independent Zack Norman article doesn’t exist already (though this did initially surprise me somewhat) – but that the article I have submitted at least a half dozen times in various adjusted forms has been repeatedly rejected largely due to its subject’s lack of notability, which, based on the above information alone, is simply not the case. Granted, he may not be a box office draw like Michael Douglas or Robin Williams, but surely the fact that he’s appeared in a major role on screen many times in the company of such luminaries is notable in and of itself, not to mention that there are countless others who do have their own Misplaced Pages entries with far fewer credits and far less notable careers than Mr. Norman.

As for third-party references and source material, I have consistently supplied plenty of both with each submission. If one of your editors questioned or dismissed these sources as unreliable, I promptly substituted the references they suggested instead. Unfortunately, it appears the criteria for reliability among sources varies among your individual editors, to the point where they have even outright contradicted each other. I have tried not to let this frustrate or discourage me, and have each time done my utmost to remain accurate, thorough and professional in my revisions – on occasion too much so, it would seem, as one of your editors saw fit to accuse me of trying to “dazzle” with an overabundance of such references ; another seemed convinced my article had been plagiarized (which I can assure you it has not) when he wrote (and I quote verbatim): “The third problem is that most of the article reads it was copied from some other source. (i haven't found it, yet)” – it’s really that last, self-assured, vindictive “yet” that gets me; the suggestion is Ad Hominem at best, wallowing in the nethermost regions of Misplaced Pages’s own revered “Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement”.

Please accept my apology if I sound emotional here – I am trying very hard not to be, but I have to admit that at this point I am pretty much at my wits’ end as to how to proceed. The process has become all but exasperating, and in spite of my best and consistently cooperative efforts to have my article on Zack Norman accepted onto the Misplaced Pages site, it seems as if the mere mention of his or my name sends up some sort of red flag triggering automatic rejection. I’m sure this is not the case, but if you could please just let me know in the clearest terms possible what it is I need to do to pass muster here, I would be elaborately grateful. And I mean this absolutely sincerely – I’ve long desired to become a contributor to your site, and I am convinced that once I understand exactly what it is I’m doing wrong here, these barriers shall lift and the process for future contributions become vastly streamlined. And if I’m not doing anything wrong, could one of you please just allow my Zack Norman article to finally be published on Misplaced Pages? As it seems – to me at least – should have happened long ago.

Thank you so much for time and consideration in this matter, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Respectfully, Matthew D. Weiss a/k/a “matzohboy”

Matzohboy (talk) 20:39, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Matzohboy! As I can see, this is already the fourth time that you're coming to the Teahouse, and I have to say that I appreciate your efforts to write a good article. Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation is a good and useful project, but there is actually no obligation for you to go through this process. If you ask me, you should post your article to Misplaced Pages's article namespace, and let it "live". This will give the opportunity to other editors to improve your article. I am doing a lot of new pages patrolling, and my experience tells me that the article is good enough not to be deleted. Go on, Be bold! Post the article to the main namespace. You don't have to wait for it to be accepted in the Articles for creation. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vanjagenije!Thank you so much for your quick response! I took your advice and posted the article accordingly, to :

Zack Norman

Could you do me a another huge favor and check and see if I've done this correctly? Thanks so much!Matzohboy (talk) 22:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hm... You actually copied the plain text of the article instead of wiki markup, but I copied it for you. The article still needs to be categorized (see wp:categorizing) and it needs links to other articles (see: WP:LINKS). You should work on that. You should also search other articles that mention Zack Norman and link them to your article, so to integrate it better into Misplaced Pages. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:36, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

If you copied from Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Zack Norman to Zack Norman, then that is a copyright violation as it did not preserve the attribution to the various contributors. What you should have done is move the article. You probably need to get it sorted out as described at Misplaced Pages:How to fix cut-and-paste moves. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:13, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

The article histories are now merged (dif). Vanjagenije (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vanjagenije!Thank you so much for all your tremendous help!! I will start adding the links etc asap, and again, I can't tell you how much I appreciate all this! Best, Matthew Matzohboy (talk) 01:32, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

How to disclose a COI and How to give a Title to a new article.

My new article is in my sandbox awaiting review. How do I give it a title?

I read that I should disclose a COI in the Talk page. The only Talk page I see (top of sandbox) seems to be for me, not the article, and it has a star wars game, which I dutifully clicked through to get rid of it, but now it is back again. (I do not understand the function of the Talk page.)

Should I put the COI in the body of the article? I know how to do that! Thank you a new user Hbradt (talk) 14:09, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The purpose of a user talk page is described at WP:OWNTALK, and its prime purpose is for other users to make comments about your edits, and for you to reply if necessary. I've added a few useful links in a welcome message there. Apart from a limited number of types of messages of a disciplinary nature, you can delete anything you don't want on your user alk page, so you can get rid of all the rubbish about The Misplaced Pages Adventure if you don't want it there. Your draft article is now at Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Paul Jay Bradt, and it will automatically be renamed to Paul Jay Bradt or any more appropriate title if and when the draft is approved. I see that you mentioned your conflict of interest on your user page, so that is probably enough, though you may want to link that note to the draft. You also mentioned the CoI in the edit summary of one of your edits to the draft, so nobody can reasonably accuse you of trying to hid the situation. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:37, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I don't know how to link that item on my user page to the article. I suppose I could find out how and where, but just now I am just totally played out on this site. For now I will just leave it.

I raise some points on my user page about my article, but I see no response there. Should I expect that? I pointed out that perhaps the title should be Paul Bradt (rock climber) rather than Paul Jay Bradt.

Hbradt (talk) 01:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Hbradt. Your user page is not a good place for discussion and questions, and people may not see them there (though in this case you have directed them there from here). Your talk page is a better place. You link to an article by putting its full name in double square brackets, i.e. ], as David Biddulph has done above here. The draft has now been reviewed, but not accepted: you are encouraged to improve it and resubmit using the button there (don't delete the template that contains the button, or you will lose the button!) When it is eventually accepted, the accepting reviewer will move it to the correct title in article space: there is no reason to put "(rock climber)" in the title: we do that only when there are articles about several people with different names, to distinguish them. (It may be that it should be "Paul Bradt" rather than "Paul Jay Bradt": this depends on how the bulk of the reliable sources you cite refer to him.) --ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine,

My comments (mostly) are on Hbradt:User Talk, and I see no response to them there. Does anyone but me see them, e.g. a reviewer, without me having to call attention to them.

As far as I can tell, my article has been reviewed once (Dec. 17). I have made quite a few edits, and it is awaiting a second review (I think). I hope the reviewer sees my comments on my User Talk page.

All references are to "Paul Bradt", so I think that should probably be the title. There is no other Paul Bradt on WP. I could put the middle name in parentheses at the beginning. What would you recommend?

Thank you again, Hbradt (talk) 13:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello again Hbradt. I don't know whether anybody will see the comments at your user page, but people are unlikely to reply there because it is not a talk page. I didn't realise you had made further edits since the review: when you think it is ready for another review, pick the "Submit" button on it, and it will go back into the queue for reviewing. As to the title: I have moved it to WT:Articles for creation/Paul Bradt, since it appears that that is the most common form of his name (The former location still exists, but redirects to the current location). When the article is accepted, a reviewer will move it to Paul Bradt. But the article should give his full name in the lede. --ColinFine (talk) 00:12, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

detect and delete hackers

I'm having a issue with people hacking into my phone and they refuse to stop. How can I detect there IP's address to put a stop to it for good without Them knowing. Could I please get some advice on how to go about this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.87.182.91 (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

This is a page for asking for help with editing Misplaced Pages, so you've come to the wrong place. You might find somebody who can advise you at the computing section of the Misplaced Pages Reference Desk. --ColinFine (talk) 00:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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