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Template:Derive

You're ahead of me.

Someone must have invented Derive not knowing of the existence of Etymology (it was hardly well used). Etymology is much more general than Derive, as the discussion of it shows. But we should bring this up at a project if it was invented for the purpose: do you know which?

S.

Which project to notify I don't know, but from the transclusions it seems to be used nearly always for place names of Celtic origin, especially Irish. So maybe WP:SCOTLAND and WP:IRELAND? --eh bien mon prince (talk) 01:20, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Madibeng Municipality

Hi Underlying Ik,

Thank you for your message on my page. I have the following comments on it:

Any information of the Madibeng Municipality is directly relevant to the town of Brits as it is the governing body thereof and thus affects the status and wellbeing of the town. I have added reliable sources to the piece of information I contributed there (the National Blue Drop report and a source from a website that confirms all information that I have published).

If you are otherwise opinionated or don't like the true and relevant information of ANC corruption, keep it to yourself and please refrain from sabotage. I will report it as such if you remove that information again. If you have ANY reliable and true proof that what I've added was untrue, please share with me.

Have a nice day,

Nourtier — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nourtier (talk • contribs) 14:51, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Scotland council area

Hello, it seems that after your recent changes in this template, all articles about Scottish council areas read: "Area (total): 567 sq mi (1,468 km2)" (see: Renfrewshire and Aberdeenshire for example). Could you fix it? Regards, Delta 51 (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done--eh bien mon prince (talk) 22:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Can you also fix this so the default is not fixed to imperial area measures? Its creating inconsistencies at e.g. Orkney and Shetland. Ben MacDui 09:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Also done. I changed Orkney and Shetland, are there other places that should use the metric units first?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:20, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. I can't think of any off hand but if I find any I can see how you fixed this now. Ben MacDui 14:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for you!

Have come to notice your diligent work cleaning up templates, not an easy task I am sure! Thanks for your contributions... this is just to let you know that somebody out there is noticing your efforts! LT90001 (talk) 12:07, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! For making the clean-up process easier in the future I started working on a list of infoboxes, hopefully that will mean that fewer duplicate templates will be created once it's finished!--eh bien mon prince (talk) 07:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes and capitalisation

Hi. I wonder if you could help change Infoboxes' titles to reduce unnecessary capitalisation. If you check the edit history of list of infoboxes you can see some examples of what I did so far. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Magioladitis. Yes I did see your edits, and I don't have anything against them, but I don't know if the effort required to move all those pages is commensurate to the result, especially as the pages using the wrong capitalisation tend to be little used ones which could end up being merged in the near future.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

There are some more things I work with that: All infoboxes should use lowercase parameters and if possible converted to use {{Infobox}} instead of html. Thanks for the great work on merging infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

You maybe also interested in User:WOSlinker/Infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Precious

infobox cleanup
Thank you for quality articles on South Africa, for expanding articles on women including adding infobox women, for the List of infoboxes resulting in cleanup, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm glad you found it useful!--eh bien mon prince (talk) 07:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Whinnies and neighs

Hi there, I see you are doing template cleanup. If you add any more horse-related templates to your TfD list, can you kindly ping WT:EQUINE, as sometimes the editors who created the templates aren't always around these days, and we may have opinions on keeping or deleting (I spotted the two so far because I had user talk pages watchlisted for other things).. Thanks! Montanabw 18:15, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

@Montanabw:: I can ping you for any related TfDs if that's okay. But I'm baffled by your revert at Template:Infobox donkey: of course donkeys don't have wool, that's why the parameter was not implemented. What was the actual reason for reverting?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not the best template, left out all the breed standard parameters; I'm no good at template syntax, but if the existing template is crappy, we'd do better to use Infobox horse breed as the basis and tweak only for donkey-specific stuff. Montanabw 18:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see. The breed standards should now display correctly in the infobox, see the testcases. Using Template:Infobox horse breed as a basis, do you think it would yield better results? Can you provide a sample in the test cases?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, if you don't mind, could you also leave an edit summary when you edit? It might make it easier for others to understand what you are up to. The wholesale changes you are making have presumably been discussed somewhere; a link to that discussion might be welcome, and would give others the opportunity to contribute to it. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:51, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

What changes are you talking about, exactly?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:53, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, there's a fairly long list of ones without an edit summary here. But I meant the changes to the various domestic animal breed infoboxes. I don't mean to imply that the changes are necessarily good or bad, but I'd like to read the discussion, and perhaps contribute to it. Thanks for your note about {{Infobox horse test}}, that should definitely go; but I wouldn't mind trying to explain somewhere why I thought at the time that it might be necessary. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I add an edit summary when one is appropriate, in the case of edits to obscure infoboxes I think they are not. About the horse test template, I have already left you a link to the discussion on your talk page.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 20:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah! But horse infoboxes are not "obscure" to us! (grin). And edit summaries are a common courtesy, (I'm told there should be one in nearly every edit) particularly where an infobox is in fairly wide use (and, given that JLAN works on donkey articles, the donkey one is apt to get even more use). JLAN played a major part in the design and improvement of several equine templates a few years back; he's pretty good at the syntax stuff (nod to JLAN) and so we aren't here to get on your case, we're just here to let you know that we care about this particular set of infoboxes and want to be sure that major changes don't foul up the work we are doing in the articles. And if there are syntax errors or something, we'd also like to discuss what you are doing so that any markup language issues are clear to all those who care. (I'm not one of those folks, I just care about the look of the end project!) Montanabw 02:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox donkey has just 20 transclusion, so it's hardly highly visible stuff. Anyway, did you see the changes in the test cases? Is the new version acceptable to you?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Like I say, if you look at JLAN's List of donkey breeds, the infobox will be used more in the future. I'll look at the infobox and comment there. I will, however, also defer to JLAN on details as he's the one who did the original work and I'm not a syntax guru. Montanabw 18:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox German location

Hi, I checked your proposed wrapper for Infobox German location, and I think it does what it should, so go ahead! Markussep 17:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

That's good, I'm adding an edit request to the template's talk page.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Islam in The Gambia

hello,

for me, it's clear that Islam in The Gambia and Religion in The Gambia are two separate subjects, as there is plenty of material for expansion on both. The fact that the overwhelming majority of Gambians are Muslims doesn't mean that the two concepts should be conflated. At the Islam in The Gambia article isn't that bad, it's just tagbombed at present. --Soman (talk) 20:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

They are two separate subjects, but for now they can be discussed on the same page given how small the pages are. When the religion article is expanded and there is enough material to sustain two articles, the redirecting can be undone. Agreed?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 20:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox Chinese

Tibetan doesn't seem to be working anymore at Resident Identity Card. What's a viable remedy? --benlisquare_T•C•E 02:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

It should be visible again now. Let me know if you spot any more problems.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 02:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Extra templates added to TfD for Template:2013 F1 Constructors Standings

Hi Underlying lk. FYI, I have added some extra templates to the TfD for Template:2013 F1 Constructors Standings, upon which you commented. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 11:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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Infobox Korean name

Three new bugs:

• When hanja is set to !, the hanja field should not be displayed; this is a special value used to automatically categorise the article into Category:Misplaced Pages articles needing hanja (the actual categorisation is handled by {{Infobox Korean name/categories}}, but the code which actually renders the infobox still needs to suppress the display of the field).
• Also, it seems like the new font is too small, particularly for hanja; it's now back at the same small size that people were complaining about earlier (see Template talk:Infobox Korean name#Sizing in fonts and cells).
• Finally, when the infobox is used as a submodule in "child" mode (for example in {{Infobox person}}, the "Korean name" header no longer shows; it only shows up for the other names (stagename, ja, ho, etc.). See Jeon No-min for an example.

Thanks, quant18 (talk) 05:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

• Additionally, the use of a nested table for the transcriptions creates a very sloppy effect, because the table cells do not necessarily align, and forcing the width of the table cells does not help because the size of the "Revised Romanization" label for the transcription is wider than the width that's being set. See Myung-hee for an example. quant18 (talk) 06:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Quant18! Thank you for letting me know of these problems, I will try to solve them as soon as I can.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

1. should have been solved now;

2. the font size has been changed back to 115% for both Hangul and Hanja;

3. actually that was intentional, because in some cases I think it would be preferrable to omit the header when the template is used as a module, but I restored its previous behaviour for now;

4. I checked the article, but both the names and the transcriptions seem to be properly aligned to me. Can you provide me some more examples of this issue? Thanks, eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. Another recent example I came across was Hyun Jae-hyun. Here's a simple test case which breaks the alignment and demonstrates the underlying problem. This goes back to {{Infobox Chinese}} using a nested table for the transcriptions so that its "hide/show" button would work easily. Doesn't look like that feature is being used for either the Korean section of Infobox Chinese nor for Infobox Korean itself, so I think it shouldn't be a problem to eliminate the {{Infobox|subbox=yes}} in {{Infobox Chinese/Korean}} and just put the hangul & hanja labels as part of the same box as the others, right? quant18 (talk) 23:58, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, my mistake, it looks like that "hide the transcriptions" feature is actually used in {{Infobox Chinese}}. Not really sure how to fix this one, then ... quant18 (talk) 01:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been looking for solutions to this problem, but from the documentation of the Infobox template this seems to be normal behaviour for subboxes. If that's how it is, we could change it to a child infobox, but that would lose us the option to collapse transcriptions.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. I guess one possibility (kind of a hack) is for {{Infobox Chinese/Korean}} to have a parameter to decide whether it uses subbox=yes or child=yes for the transcriptions. Then {{Infobox Chinese}} could have the transcriptions infobox as a subbox with the width forced to 50% or whatever else is needed to make it align, while {{Infobox Korean name}} could have the transcriptions infobox as a "child" without any width set. quant18 (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I tried to change it as you suggested, do you notice any difference in the testcases?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

hack

could you fix the hack in Kang Youwei#Da Tongshu? it's a step forward, since it replaced a hard-coded table, but the hack-level is pretty high. Frietjes (talk) 23:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I tried to use a modular approach in replacing it, which is less hackish but also a lot longer. I don't know if this is an improvement, a table might have been a better solution since Infobox Chinese is meant for cases where there are many transliterations (or translations) of a single name, rather than for many names about a single subject. In any case, if you don't like the change, feel free to revert.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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fyi, this template was resurrected. will see if {{db-repost}} kills it. Frietjes (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

It seems like db-repost did the trick, thank you for noticing.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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I am informing you of this due to a TFD you took part in....William 01:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi William, thank you for the message. I think it's better to wait for a reply from the closing admin before trying DRV or other venues. Having said that, I don't really see a problem with the merger. If the 'jockey' parameter is not necessary for some articles, it can simply be left blank.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Ottoman Empire in 1609

Hi Underlying lk, Thanks for your frequent contributions to Ottoman Empire-related articles. But the map File:Ottoman Empire (1609).png which you have created in 2011 seems to be problematic. The map includes both the island Crete and Podolia which were not Ottoman territory in 1609 . (Crete was annexed in 1669 and Podolia in 1672.) On the other hand the map doesn't show Caucasus which was still nominally an Ottoman territory till the Treaty of Nasuh Pasha in 1612. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:07, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nedim! About Crete, you are right and it should not be included as part of the Ottoman Empire in any of the 1609 maps. In fact, I had mistakenly uploaded a batch of maps with Crete included at first, but later overwrote them with a corrected version after I realised the mistake (compare and ). Perhaps it is not immediately visible from the thumbnails since I used a cream colour for the Ottoman territories, but it should definitely be marked in white as with all other non-Ottoman regions.

About Podolia and the Caucasus, I made a deliberate choice to follow the directions of the source (The Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire by Agoston and Masters) as closely as possible, to avoid any kind of original research. Despite that, it's evident from any number of other sources that drawing an exact border for the early 17th century Ottoman Empire is always an arbitrary choice to some extent. I chose to follow Agoston and Masters because their map was one of the few to be consistent with a majority academic sources. I would avoid any correction to the original set of maps as that would make them less authoritative by allowing individual interpretations of the extent of the borders, but if you could find another map of the early eyalets based on an academic publication, it would be a nice addition since it would allow us to depict an alternative (but always scholarly) point of view. Cheers, eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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HI Llywelyn, I linked the SSSi template to its en wiki equivalent and replaced "Shown within" with "O fewn", but that left the country name untranslated so I added a parser function to display the native name whenever the displaymap or aos parameters are set to "Wales". This workaround only applies to Wales, for other countries it will be still necessary to use the Welsh name directly in the infobox, so that displaymap for an English SSSI should be "Lloegr". I hope this helps. Cheers, eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Kayamandi

Re my revert, I specifically took photos of Kayamandi for that article because I felt the shack photo was a misrepresentation. I know people who live there (in decent houses) and the old photo was quite offensive to them. What was your reason for restoring the old image? I know the image quality of my photo is not great and I will take more photos with my new camera as soon as I know how to use it properly. I go to Kayamandi once a week. I am also planning to take a day trip to Pniel to take some photos. HelenOnline 13:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Helen, my judgement was based entirely on the superior technical quality of the other photo, but I don't know much about the area so I'll trust your decision. I'm glad to know that you'll be taking some new photos, I created this project page to keep track of how many articles are still missing images and unfortunately there's still so many of them. So I support your idea for a photo trip 100%! Cheers,--eh bien mon prince (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

We should really have some kind of drive to fill that gallery. I am ok with travelling within about a 50km radius from where I live (Stellenbosch). If everybody did that, I am sure we could do a lot better. HelenOnline 07:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

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Too big a map displayed at SA towns/suburbs

Hi Prins, can you please include a 2nd level place map to Template:Infobox South African town 2011 that refers closer to a place, eg. Gauteng map instead of South Africa map for the suburb Lynnwood Manor in Pretoria. It really looks pathetic, pinned to a large SA map! Dankie Aliwal2012 (talk) 19:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Aliwal, I uploaded a new OpenStreet map for the Pretoria region and added it as a new location map to the Infobox SAt, you can see a testcase for Lynnwood Manor here. I'm not very satisfied with the result though, the captions on the map are unreadable and there is no way to expand it and still display the dot showing the position. I'll let you decide if this is an improvement or not. Cheers, eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:17, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I got cracking with all towns on af:wiki. I replaced map of SOUTH AFRICA with PROVINCE in the sjabloon & it worked fine, ta! Aliwal2012 (talk) 19:33, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

True, but now the nationwide map is not displayed at all, though an Afrikaans-speaking audience can perhaps be expected to be already familiar with the location of the provinces.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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Please remove file https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Kagisano-Molopo_CoA.png#file

Hi Underlying Ik

Please remove https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Kagisano-Molopo_CoA.png#file, Its not the official logo for Kagisano-Molopo local municipality.

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Hi Frans, I nominated the file for deletion, it should be removed shortly. @Reyakopele:.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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Edit warring on Turkey

Hi Underlying lk, please be careful of edit warring. You violated the three revert rule on Turkey, I'm not blocking you in good faith and because you stopped. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:31, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Callanecc, I did not perform more than three reverts, the fourth revert was made by an uninvolved editor rather than by me. What's more, is that my edits were the result of days of talk-page discussion and had the support of other users like EtienneDolet, DeCausa and KazekageTR, while Lord of Rivendell's changes had no support, other than his own.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:52, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

1, 2, 3, 4. Even though it's different content it still counts as a revert (although that did count in your favour re blocking, as did that you were acting from the consensus version. But it's still generally better to wait for admin action or someone else than crossing the magic line. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The first diff is not a revert, if you take that from the edit summary "reviewing recent changes", that was because I was comparing the current revision with a months-old stable version (and adding back deleted maintenance tags, among others), and I did not revert any changes made by Lord of Rivendell before that point.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

It was a revert because it was undoing other editors' actions (per WP:3RR), that is the editors who deleted the tags. However I didn't believe it was blockable and still don't. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Infobox pig breed

Hi! On 1 October last year you appear to have broken {{Infobox pig breed}}, I think with this edit, where it seems you changed the parameters of the template without updating the documentation to match (or without updating them to match the documentation). There's a discussion higher up this page where I asked you where you had gained consensus for your changes; I don't see that I got any reply. I asked Pigsonthewing to take a look at this, since I know he is competent in this area, but he seems to be busy with other stuff. Can you fix it, or do I need to ask a template expert? I put something in the sandbox that appears to work, but this is not my field so I am hesitant to roll it out. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: first of all you should provide me an example of what you mean by broken. Parameters not showing up? Error messages? If so, give me the link to the relevant articles, otherwise I cannot help you.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, stuff not showing up. See User talk:Pigsonthewing#Infobox pig breed. Or just look at the template, where the parameters you added with your edit do not match those called for by the documentation. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: About your unanswered query, I finally found the message you referred to, and from the tone of the message it wasn't obvious that you expected a reply: posting a snotty message to someone's talk page is not likely to get you a timely reply (or maybe that's just how you habitually address other editors). About the issue I caused, I apologise for it, and I think it's fixed now. Cheers,--eh bien mon prince (talk) 22:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages conventions

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Language and formats

hi, number formats, currencies and language are not connected. the english[REDACTED] has different formats for sizes, depending on the country (american footballers from the u.s. in inches and foot, european footballers in m, cm). the same in the german wikipedia. if some template cannot deal with international formats, the template should be fixed. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 04:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

@ThurnerRupert: Units of measurement or currencies don't depend on the language, but number formats certainly do, ("Typically, English-speaking countries employ commas as the delimiter and other European countries employ periods or spaces", from the article Decimal mark) and that is reflected in our manual of style about numbers.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

eh bien mon prince, in switzerland the official language is french, german, italian, rumantsch. additionally english is used sometimes as "lingua franca". but there is a national keyboard, and a number format of course. i know that english native speakers seem to have difficulties to understand this because they face the problem so rarely. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 04:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I know all that, but this is the English-language Misplaced Pages, which is why we follow English-language conventions when it comes to number formats.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

i guess we have a conflict then here. you think it is an english language convention, while i think this is a convention of a country. the manual of style btw is perfect for switzerland, as it allows everything but . as thousands separator. so i could say bon pour moi, fuck the EU ;) you have the right to change the template to allow ' so it allows what is written in the style guide? --ThurnerRupert (talk) 05:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not a matter of personal opinion, where numbers are used in English-language contexts groups of thousands are separated by a comma, you're free to ask at the help desk if you don't believe me, but if you persevere in your stubborn belief don't be surprised if you receive unwanted attention from the admins.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

you are right, as it is not a matter of personal opinion we have the manual of style. if you want to disallow the ' as thousand separator, please let it go into there. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 10:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You won't admit you were wrong even after three uninvolved editors reverted the same change, so I don't think there is much to be gained from discussing the matter further.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:40, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Ottoman sultan

You might want to watch this one, it was actually already in the holding cell, waiting to be replaced, and someone came along and removed the {{being deleted}} template (see the edit history). So, you now have two TfDs supporting deletion :) Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 01:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The code for the conversion is ready in the sandbox, so the template is definitely going to be changed this time! Regards, eh bien mon prince (talk) 02:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

i need your help

Mate could you help me with this issue please.

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