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| ==Multiple renames, page moves etc...== | |||
| Hello there, I see you've been really busy over the last few hours making lots of changes to pages within the general area of paganism. There are really so many that there isn't an obvious central place to discuss them all with you, hence coming here! You've made some quite fundamental changes - eg and without discussing them on talk pages first - could I suggest that you discuss big moves like this first? (Your obvious redirects are a hood idea and much less problematic, good work on those). You may find that if you move first without discussion, your changes will just get quickly and frustratingly reverted. Best wishes, ] ] 21:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Dear Kim Dent-Brown, first of all sorry for possible language mistakes; but English is not my mother tongue. Regarding my edits, I am a ] user, and when I think my edits are good, and well sourced, I do not hesitate in making them. :) --] (]) 22:34, 21 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :As for the move of ] to ] you may find a recent proposal . I've moved it to a far more popular term and adopted the terminology regulations discussed . --] (]) 22:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Hey, welcome! == | |||
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| We're so glad you're here! ] (]) 17:00, 9 October 2011 (UTC)</p> | |||
| == I did not mean to offend you == | |||
| Sir, I did not mean to offend with with my request for a reversion on the ] page. ''Personally'', I would prefer the term ] for our movement because this has been the name used since the 19th century. In my opinion, attempts to reconstruct Anglo-Saxon or Germanic paganism are wrong headed because we have only Icelandic sources, but people stopped the ] heading here years ago. | |||
| I hope we can work together on future edits. | |||
| --] (]) 23:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :We are both Germanic Heathens and we should co-work rather than quarrel. I am not offended and I respect the Odinic Rite and the Odinist movement since Odinist groups are doing good job all over Europe. However Odinism is not the only Germanic Neopagan religions; there are many currents and individuals which do not identify as "Odinist". I am one of them, I am a Heathen (and European) identifying neither as an Odinist nor as an Asatruar. "Heathenry" has spread as an umbrella term for ALL Germanic Neopagans, being them Odinist, Asatruar, Urglaawers, Theodsmen, or any other subgroup, and it is often preferred over "Germanic Neopagan" because "Neopagan" is mostly used by Wiccans and related to Wiccan groups and publications. | |||
| :I suggest you to make the ] wiki-entry an article writing what distinguishes the Odinist movement from Asatru, Forn Sidhr and the other branches of Heathenry. --] (]) 17:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| That is good that we can cooperate. | |||
| Our traditions are different, however, In my opinion, the umbrella term is Odinism. Asatru was a new word coined in the 1970's, but it can also be used as an umbrella term. | |||
| Terms such as "pagan" or "heathen" are not really names, but they were insults hurled at the followers of the old gods. Indeed, if we properly translate pagan or heathen, they mean country dweller or "hick" | |||
| Of course, I cannot insist on "Odinism" as the title of this article, because it would disturb some, such as yourself. Misplaced Pages is based on consensus. It does make anyone 100% happy because it is a compromise. | |||
| --] (]) 05:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Restoration of external link == | |||
| I agree with and support your restoration of this link, and would have done so myself if I had seen it first. But I have to say you could and should have done it more carefully, at least in respect of the edit summary. You're entitled to think whatever you like about other editors, but to use words like "lies" and "maiming" is just not productive. What you did was right; the way you did it was not. | |||
| I am trying hard to act as an honest broker between editors with strongly held views, but I need some help from you as well in trying to generate a collegial and productive atmosphere. You can't blame "the other side" without taking a look at how your own editing actions are affecting the situation. ] ] 12:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :You're right. I'll try to weigh my words better next times. --] ] 01:39, 25 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your behaviour== | |||
| was an interesting edit summary of yours. | |||
| Apparently, you have no qualms in dismissing years of careful work on articles, but when something happens to fit your private agenda you are suddenly all for protecting "work" done by others? | |||
| As a new account joining long-standing, well-developed, stable articles on complicated and well-developed topics, you would do well to get the feel of how progress is made before plunging into edit-wars. ] is an important page. | |||
| Nobody has ever succeeded in defending radical changes to an article by simply insisting they must stay. There is no shortcut for the "D" (discuss) part, and you will need to introduce the changes you want step-by-step, or not at all. | |||
| So you think of yourself as a "bold" user. That is very well, as long as you understand that you may only be "bold" until you are reverted for the first time. After such a revert, you have no business being bold any longer, but you are expected to take a constructive approach towards compromise. If you are incapable of that, your "boldness" will not be of any use to anyone, not to the project, and not to your own agenda. All you will achieve is messing up articles and annoying people. | |||
| Since you clearly have personal stakes in the area you choose to contribute to, ] is also relevant to you. Perhaps you want to hone your Misplaced Pages skills in topics where you have no such stakes first. I for one have very little patience with editors who are blatantly pushing their private ideologies while pretending to be interested in following policy or being encyclopedists. Let us see some work of yours in areas like oceanography, cristallography or the Italian sonnet before you undertake writing about your private religious convictions. --] <small>]</small> 09:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :It seems the only one here who acts as if articles are of his own personal property is you. What you did with edit was a restoration of your own revision of the article, and you've tried to do the same to the "Paganism" article. The revision of the 'Heathenism' article I contributed to write is not based on my own private religion, indeed it describes the views of the various modern Heathen groups based on sources, and it is an expansion of the old revision (yours) which was completely sourceless and full of dead links. --] ] 11:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Recent massive reversion == | |||
| Seriously, was not cool. Quite apart from going back to a version from many weeks ago, you failed to discuss this in advance on the talk page or notify folks there of either your intentions before the event, or your actions after it. Then you went and made a further tiny edit, seconds later, which obscured the scale of what you had done from people watching this article on their watch lists. That is very poor form indeed and reflects very badly on you, even if it was unintentional. | |||
| First off, don't revert to an old version like that. We are where we are and it erases several months of further work since that time. Second, you must know it's never going to stick. We've learned the hard way that massive reversions like that are not a good way forward and they are never going to go unchallenged. Third, don't make the error of hiding a big edit behind a small one. It doesn't actually hide what you've done but just serves to sow doubt in people's minds about your intentions. Finally, if you're going to make a big change (or have just made one) announce it on the talk page. This will make you a much more collaborational editor and one whom others feel they can co-operate with. ] ] 23:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :The small edit of re-addition of the Alemannic article did not "obscure" the reversion... this is just ridiculous. There has not been any improvement to the article since the latest complete version. Someone is just trying to keep the article in a bad confusionary state, maybe for ideological reasons. --] ] 15:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::Bhlegkorbh, let me tell you something else. You've been following ThorLives around, posting those diffs of the version you approve of and the version of the one they produced. You're walking into ] territory, and combined with your complaint at the administrator's noticeboard, you appear to be an editor with a mission, a personal one. I urge you to drop that mission since no good will come of it. Editing disputes are to be handled on the talk page, and your AN complaint was spurious. Back off from ThorLives: his hammer may not be as big as your sickle, but my admin hammer beats your Mjölnir, most likely. ] (]) 18:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I have no missions at all, I just want the article to be complete and well written. --] ] 22:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ==Category:Heathen organisations== | |||
| ''']''', which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at ''']''' on the ] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. __] (]) 19:49, 15 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: Help needed on ] == | == Re: Help needed on ] == | ||
Revision as of 19:39, 14 March 2014
Re: Help needed on Germanic Neopaganism
You wrote: The page is stuck at the same point it was months ago, and user "ThorLives" has done nothing else than continuing the removal of any source or sentence which does not fit his point of view. This situation must finish, and the article has to be rewritten. Reliable sources have been found and listed in the talkpage. Please take a look. --Bhlegkorbh (talk) 21:04, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I have almost given up on Misplaced Pages because of instances like this, and I do not plan to be editing much anymore, except maybe for certain philosophy/science/maths pages. Maybe I will come back and help in a few days/weeks/months, and maybe not. What happened is likely to happen again, and people push skewed points and delete reliable sources on everything but mathematics pages, and maybe even some of those, if they deal with the philosophy of it.--dchmelik (t|c) 12:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Did it ever get fixed? I suggest you could also talk to some mediators, and/or admins. I had probably not even edited anything since your talk page, until today, making a new Classical Greek religion-related article, but I do hope the Teutonic ones are also well-written.--dchmelik (t|c) 10:29, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- User Midnightblueowl has succeeded in improving the state of the article. --Bhlegkorbh (talk) 19:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Germanic neopaganism
Hello Bhlegkorbh! Just to let you know that I have taken up your advice in using academic sources to help built up and improve Germanic neopaganism, so it would be great if you could come over and have a look, and offer some advice! Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)