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Ahmad Elrich

In the off-chance someone has this page still on their watchlist, as a heads-up Ahmad Elrich is going to be in the news for a while... Hack (talk) 04:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Still watching here and keeping an eye on the Elrich article. Camw (talk) 11:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of FC Adelaide

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Proposed deletion of Juan Nilo

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Assistance required

I would like some assistance at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Damien Kallis primarily as to whether the Queensland State League is a semi or fully professional league and following on, are players who play in this league automatically notable under WP:NSPORTS or not. This link says it's professional, but I would think that most players would be paid, but would also have other main jobs outside of playing football. But I'm open to those who know better. The-Pope (talk) 03:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Definitely semi-pro. Not that I could reference that... Hack (talk) 00:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move: Association football in Australia

A Requested move has been initiated for the article Association football in Australia. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Task force?

Hello members of the Association Football in Australia WikiProject. I am following up on a discussion that has taken place at WT:FOOTY regarding the status of your WikiProject, amongst others. The general consensus among our group is that we recommend you consider converting your WikiProject into a task force of WikiProject Football. The actual changes that would occur would be negligible in a functional sense, as you could continue to assess the importance of your articles separately from football articles in general, via the {{WikiProject Football}} talk page banner, and you could continue to use this page as your 'base of operations'. The benefits of this change to you, however, would be great: increased relations with WikiProject Football would attract a greater number of editors willing to help your cause and improve your articles. Your articles would therefore benefit from the wealth of total experience possessed by WikiProject Football members. If you have any comments or questions about this proposition, I invite you to add them to this thread where we have centralised the discussion. If we do not hear back from one of your participants within 72 hours (i.e. by 19:00 BST, 6 August 2011), we will assume that your silence implies consensus and we will begin the conversion process. – PeeJay 18:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Project reboot

In light of the suggestion to transition this project to a taskforce, I was looking for thoughts on where editors see this project going.

I see a number of opportunities for further development

1) Creating articles for all notable Australian footballers

• There are dozens of Socceroos players still without articles, including 12 national team captains
• Very few retired women's national team players have articles, including a number of captains

2) Improving coverage of state leagues

• Historical information is lacking on a number of state leagues eg WA and NSW (FNSW and NNSWF)have no significant coverage of their federation/association splits during the 50s and 60s.
• Defining notability for state league clubs

3) Improving collaboration

• Centralising information at the project page eg links to resources, creation of a booklist

Hack (talk) 05:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

If there is any interest, I have a list of Women's national team players without a page here. Camw (talk) 05:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know, there's no reason you couldn't do all the things you've listed above as a task force of WP:FOOTY. Becoming a task force would not limit your operations in any way, it would just make sure people know you're a part of WP:FOOTY and not a splinter cell. – PeeJay 12:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

@camw - maybe we could merge the lists? Hack (talk) 07:27, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedians to the Games

If there are any Australian Football fans lurking around, Wikimedians to the Games is a collaboration drive to improve Australian Paralympic articles, with the most active contributors having an opportunity to go attend the Paralympic Games and to cover the Games behind the scenes with a press pass. The top two contributors will get their airfare and accommodation paid for. :) The drive official starts on 10 January 2012. The coverage of Australian disability related football articles appears to be pretty non-existent so great place to carve out a nice niche. :) --LauraHale (talk) 09:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Sydney Derby (A-League) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sydney Derby (A-League) is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Newcastle players

Just came across this - playing stats for every Newcastle national league player since 1978. Not sure if its accurate but it looks useful. Hack (talk) 01:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks like that link is dead - an archived version is here. Hack (talk) 05:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Notability of state league clubs

A discussion regarding notability of Australian state league clubs is occurring at WT:FOOTY. Hack (talk) 14:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

FFFSA League Structure

Currently:

Super League - 10 teams
Premier League - 10 teams
State League - 10 teams

After the 2012 season FFSA is scrapping the Super League making the Premier League the top tier.

Premier League - 14 teams
State League - 16 teams

I have been collecting the all time appearances and goals for the super league (http://en.wikipedia.org/FFSA_Super_League#All_Time_League_Leaders) but now that it will be gone should i start again for the premier league starting 2013 or should include statistics from super league 2006-2012? Thoughts? I think i may start again.Simione001 (talk) 07:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

anyone? thoughts?Simione001 (talk) 04:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

So it's just a renaming? Hack (talk) 05:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

At the moment in SA we have Super, Premier, State league in that order. FFSA is scrapping the top tier (super league) therefore the premier league (which is already in exsistance from 2006-present) will become to the top tier. im trying to determine if i should start the all time appearances and goals again from 0 or if i should carry over the stats from 2006-2012 super league to the premier league.Simione001 (talk) 06:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

If the 2013 Premier League contains substantially the same teams as the 2012 Super League, I would have thought that it was effectively the same league. Hack (talk) 06:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The 2013 Premier League will be made up of all 10 teams from the 2012 Super League and the top 4 teams from the 2012 Premier League. I think i will carry over the stats from 2006-2012 Super League to 2013 Premier League. What about the Category:FFSA Super League players? should i rename it Category:FFSA Premier League players or should i create a new category?Simione001 (talk) 06:46, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Flag issue

I've been looking around and getting annoyed. A lot of state league club sites have Australian International listed players with flags of their ethnicity/heritage. For example North Geelong Warriors and Brunswick Juventus. If they have represented Australia they should have the Australian flag against their name. I don't know where the reference is but I am pretty sure it is a rule some where.--TinTin (talk) 01:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Most major football club articles have notes above their squad listings saying the flags refer to their FIFA nationalities (eg Arsenal F.C.#First-team squad). Hack (talk) 03:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

2013 Tasmanian Structure

For those unaware FFT is launching a state-wide league T-League next year which has then caused cascading changes to the Northern and Southern Premier Leagues and Southern League One. A detailed article FFT here outlining structure of FFT Leagues in 2013. Obviously a few Wiki Artilces will need to be updated to reflect this. --TinTin (talk) 01:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion on season naming

Please see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football#Australian seasons for a discussion on naming of national league season articles. Hack (talk) 11:30, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Colours used for Central Coast Mariners

So I understood from Rjbsmith that editors are directed to use the colours "CentralCoastColours 2", rather than "CentralCoastColours". As I understand "CentralCoastColours 2" was only used to differentiate from the Gold Coast United colours, but since they are not part of the A-League since 2012, I see no problem using "CentralCoastColours" now, and it is easier for editos. Thoughts? --SuperJew (talk) 11:08, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

The Mariners' kit is back to being more yellow than blue so that seems to make sense. Hack (talk) 12:15, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

As there are no objections I am going ahead with the change for the 2012-13, 2013-14 seasons. --SuperJew (talk) 17:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's better if it stays with the '2' colours so that there is consistency. Club colours such as Perth Glory and Newcastle Jets have changed a lot since the first season but their new flag colours now apply to all seasons. To avoid confusion, I think the same should be done for Central Coast since there will be three seasons where the colours would have to be different (due to Gold Coast) if we revert back to the original. It will also be an issue for pages such as the A-League records page where all teams feature in various lists. So I think the solution would actually be to update the original Central Coast file (as has been done for every other club) rather than use both. The only club where a change should be applicable is Queensland Roar and Brisbane Roar due to the name change. O for Awesome (talk) 00:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm probably a bit late with my input, but I will give it anyway. Definitely use CentralCoastColours and NOT "2". And I think this should be reflected with their templates as well. Eccy89 (talk) 08:06, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Internationally Capped Players tables

Internationally Capped Players tables are completely unnecessary. Why are we adding them to A-League club articles? Firstly, why is it necessary to include such information as caps, goals and years active? Readers do not come to club articles for international statistics. Secondly, why is it necessary to state whether a player is internationally capped on the club article? Is this relevant to the club? It is trivial information to the specific club. All related international information on players can be found on the respected player articles. Again, this is unnecessary, can we remove the tables?--2nyte (talk) 09:26, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

It might be in the same way as some small clubs have a section about notable players (who played for the small club, and went on to larger and famous clubs). The question IMO is the amount, if there are a small number of internationals in each team, then it seems special enough to note. On the other hand, if most of the squad are internationals then it isn't worth mentioning. And even when mentioning, I think it is enough to have a list of internationals and there is no need to include caps, goals and other details, only the player and international team played for. --SuperJew (talk) 09:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

What should be considered as a small number? Marconi, Olympic and United all have similar lists of some length. Should they be worth mentioning?--2nyte (talk) 02:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I have no ideas what the numbers should be, and I think more people should contribute their opinion to this discussion. I think it's a per case thing. For example, you won't list all the international players of Barcelona, because it is nearly (if not all) the whole team. --SuperJew (talk) 07:18, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

WLeague template

Template:WLeague NUJ and nine others has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

• Keep all. these template are used very frequently --> on all the pages of players who play (currently or in the past) in the W-League, as well as W-League pages, and W-League teams' season pages. They are typing-aid templates, and function like the A-League help templates. --SuperJew (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Lake Oval

An article that you have been involved in editing, Lake Oval, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Hack (talk) 06:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment

Due to no consensus on a previous discussion re: article naming, there is a second discussion open about moving Australia national association football team to Australia men's national association football team. We are seeking outside input. Contributions to the discussions are much appreciated. Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 01:31, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Adding FC from season pages

"I understand your (SuperJew's) reasoning for moving the page (Melbourne Heart's season page) back to the title you did but what about consistency with overall pages on[REDACTED] like 2013–14 Arsenal F.C. season or 2013 Toronto FC season. It just makes no sense not to have the FC mentioned as that is their name, Melbourne Heart FC. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 15:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

If it's an issue of consistency, I would be happy to help move the rest of A-League teams' season pages. I've always though it strange that that A-League team's season article don't have an FC in the title when every other team in other leagues do. What about consistency?--2nyte (talk) 15:49, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Personally I don't mind too much one way or another, though I do find the FC addition in team names and such usually redundant because they are mostly referred to without the FC addition, and then there are always long and annoying wikilinks in articles (such as Melbourne Heart). Anyways, it should consistent for all of the A-League teams and updated in the templates, so that they will be bolded."

Hi, Above I've copied a discussion started on my talk page. The suggestion in question is to add the "FC" to the A-League teams' season pages. Let the discussions begin... --SuperJew (talk) 16:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

It's exactly the same as for 2013–14 Manchester United F.C. season, 2013–14 AFC Ajax season, 2013–14 FC Barcelona season or 2013–14 Real Madrid C.F. season. Whatever the clubs main article name is should be used in the season articles, or for any related article for that matter (e.g. List of Western Sydney Wanderers FC players or List of Perth Glory FC seasons). --2nyte (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Fully agree with this. If "FC" or whatever appears in the main club article then it should also be included in all related articles. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 17:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

100% agree that the FC should be included for season pages - it should directly replicate the title. While I'm here, just a quick note of appreciation to those keeping the season pages updated - I know that these pages are widely viewed, particularly during the season itself, so to have updated information with such consistency is awesome. So thanks guys :) Daniel (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

So can we move these articles now? It's a unanimous decision to do so.--2nyte (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I would think so, has everyone had a chance to comment? --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 16:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

The FC is definitely part of the clubs' formal names, but why waste the effort writing it here? The media doesn't use it in narrative form. The fans don't say it. For Australian clubs it's just a pretentious, herd like copying of the style of foreign clubs anyway. A bit like "United" for clubs that have never been un-united. HiLo48 (talk) 20:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree with HiLo48, and I think also the club pages (also not in Australia) don't need to have the FC. People call Real Madrid C.F. - Real Madrid, S.S.C. Napoli - Napoli, FC Bayern Munich - Bayern Munich, Manchester United F.C. - Manchester United, Beitar Jerusalem F.C. - Beitar Jerusalem.

Point is the club addition (FC/F.C./A.F.C./S.S.C./KV/etc..) is hardly used by media or fans. In the same way we name people's pages after their well known first and last names, and don't include all their middle names if they have. Cristiano Ronaldo, not Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro, Lionel Messi, not Lionel Andrés Messi, Raúl, not Raúl González Blanco, Ronaldinho, not Ronaldo de Assis Moreira, Mark Viduka, not Mark Anthony Viduka. etc. --SuperJew (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

It's always good to have some formality when presenting articles, and I think everyone likes consistency. Also I think there's no comparing the use of FC (or its equivalent) to a persons full name; maybe you could compare the use of "Ronaldo" to "Cristiano Ronaldo" - the same as Melbourne Heart and Melbourne Heart FC, one is used in article titles and the other in the articles content.--2nyte (talk) 00:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

It's not "always good" when it's an artificial, sheepish, aping of overseas clubs, maintaining the image of soccer as a foreign game. It perpetuates the image of a game that wants to be like the European clubs where the fans' real heroes play. A bit of difference would provide a better look HiLo48 (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, look, if the Melbourne Heart use "FC" themselves then it should be added to their main article and all other articles relating to the Melbourne Heart (for consistency reasons). However, if they do not use it then it should not be added. Almost like in MLS. Toronto FC use "FC" so we add FC to everything about them (even player pages as they are a franchise and FC is literally a part of their name) however the Montreal Impact don't use FC so we dont add it to their articles. Now, for the Heart... they do use it (per this link) so it should be added to all Heart pages. That should be it. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 01:01, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

In other words, if FC (or its equivalent) is used for the clubs main article it should be used for season articles or any other articles relating to the club.--2nyte (talk) 01:10, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Ya, why not? I mean, it just makes sense really. Of course, lets say that for the Brisbane Roar FC... there current article should be 2013–14 Brisbane Roar FC season but since they were the Queensland Roar FC at one point then we should have the 2007–08 Queensland Roar FC season as that is what they were officially named then. That is really it, at least to me and I bet to the majority of WP:Football. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 01:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Agree. This is already what every other football season article does; there's no point on reinventing the wheel.--2nyte (talk) 01:20, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

The season articles should match the whatever the club was called in that season. I don't see any reason that the season articles should be different from the club article. Hack (talk) 03:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

SuperJew, can we continue discussing this if you still oppose the change. As I said above, the main reason for change is consistency, to relate the season articles and others to the clubs main page and its title.--2nyte (talk) 03:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't see what more there is to discuss here. It seems there are 2 opposes to the change (me and HiLo48) and 4 supports (ArsenalFan700, 2nyte, Daniel and Hack). --SuperJew (talk) 17:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm an oppose, mainly because it's both unnecessary, and a silly copying of a foreign custom which adds nothing to the name of an Australian club, and probably does more harm than good to the clubs' images with people who are currently not fans. It's also an inconsistent add-on. We certainly won't be adding the FC everywhere we mention a club. Not sure why it needs to be anywhere really. The names are unique without the FC. But if someone decides, against policy but as is quite commonly done on Misplaced Pages, that a majority is a consensus, I won't slash my wrists. HiLo48 (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

And I note that, with no further discussion, User:2nyte has begun to make these changes. Not good faith editing, but my wrists are OK. HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

If pages are to be moved, they need to moved to the name that the club used for the given season. Hack (talk) 07:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

ACL matches in A-League club season articles

Hi, everyone. Oviously the ALC season is played during two football/A-League seasons. I was wondering in what season(s) we should put the ACL matches for A-League clubs considering the off-season is in June? For example, in the upcoming ACL (2014 AFC Champions League#Schedule) should we put matches up to Round of 16 (2 February 2014-14 May 2014) in the 2013–14 club season articles and the matches from Quarter-finals onwards (17 September 2014-November 2014) in the 2014–15 club season articles. And then if the club competes in the following ACL season would those matches be split into 2014–15 and 2015–16?--2nyte (talk) 14:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion we definitely want to keep the ACL season on the same page, otherwise it will be confusing. And since the current ACL season (2014) starts during the 2013-14 season, that is where it should be included (as is now - the 2014 ACL games are in CCM, MV, and WSW 2013-14 season pages). --SuperJew (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but the season ends at the end of May, and the new season starts in July. So shouldn't the ACL matches from July onwards be in next seasons article?--2nyte (talk) 14:42, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

It is confusing of the ACL season is split up to two pages. Especially if the club competes in two consecutive ACL seasons. --SuperJew (talk) 15:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

It won't be confusing if it is specified in the article. They are after all season articles, so shouldn't we only include info from the specific seasons?--2nyte (talk) 15:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

The thing is that not everything is clear-cut that way. I think it is preferable to keep the ACL season intact. It is also done that way in statistics tables on players' pages. --SuperJew (talk) 15:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

And also (and this is about all your recent discussions): If it ain't broke, don't fix it. --SuperJew (talk) 15:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm trying to improve the articles, they're not pointless edits. I think it may confuse readers and will make content harder to find if ACL matches played during November 2014 in one article and A-League matches played during November 2014 in another article.--2nyte (talk) 15:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Well as I mentioned (at least twice already) I think it will confuse readers if the ACL season is split up to two pages. Imagine reading about the club's (hopefully) progress through the group stage, then a victory in the round of 16, and then "hey! why aren't they in the quarter finals?!?" or alternatively, user goes into the season page and thinks "WOW! Australian clubs are so well ranked they enter the ACL straight at quarter-final stage?".

And as to your comment "It won't be confusing if it is specified in the article." - it goes to not splitting up the ACL season. --SuperJew (talk) 16:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

So some 2013–14 season articles may have 2014–15 season matches. Wouldn't it make sense to only have 2013–14 matches in the 2013–14 season articles?--2nyte (talk) 23:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I really don't have anything to add to what I've mentioned (three times) already. Are you trying to tire me out so I'll agree with you? or would you like to take this in a new direction? --SuperJew (talk) 07:28, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

SuperJew, I'm not sure if we should move the ACL matches from Adelaide United's 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11 and 2012–13 season to the season earlier.--2nyte (talk) 12:49, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. However, The FIFA Club World Cup should stay in 2008–09, as it started during the 2008–09 season (December 2008). --SuperJew (talk) 12:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Late into this convo, I know but my two cents: I agree with SuperJew. Keep ACL matches in the season article that ACL season starts in. If there are teams competing in consecutive ACL campaigns, it will be very confusing. Seems logical to keep the matches and stats for one ACL campaign in the one article. Ck786 (talk) 08:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Very late into this convo and I agree with SuperJew and Ck786. In fact, brilliant summation Ck786! Eccy89 (talk) 09:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Missed Penalties

I have heard some people don't particularly like the idea of having missed penalties in [[match infoboxes but imo they deserve to be there as they are a key point in any match. I'd also like to point out that it is noted both in the commentary and lineup in the A-League match centre, used as a summary in the match info box: Lineup & Commentary. Also, it has its own wiki markup for the match info box: Here, Here & Here

Lastly, this is what this produces: {{penmiss}} =

Protenpinner (talk) 10:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree. If anything a missed pen is a more significant event than a yellow card is. Ck786 (talk) 08:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts too. More to the point, if a goal is scored from a follow up shot (should there be one), it would be added straight after, making it obvious that the follow up shot was scored or a play resulting in the miss should a goalkeeper save it and it cleared only to return within say 50 seconds. Protenpinner (talk) 12:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

But we don't mark yellow cards either, so why is that comment relevant? --SuperJew (talk) 19:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Again with the "we". That is your opinion, not the general consensus. If it "shouldn't" be put in, why is there a wiki markup for it? Yellow cards can be put in, would take mere minutes if that to do, something I'm more than happy to do. Protenpinner (talk) 16:16, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Double yellow = red card clarification on wiki markup

When a player receives a red card for a second yellow card, under FIFA laws of the game, if a foul is deemed to be a yellow card offence for the second yellow, then the referee must show the second yellow before showing the red card. I was wondering if other people thought that it should be acknowledged as this  X'  XX' ( {{sent off|2|X|XX}} ) instead of this -  X'  XX' ( {{sent off|1|X|XX}} ). The 2 next to the "|" after the "sent off" denotes that the player got the 2 yellow cards equaling the red card. As you can see on the A-Leagues official match centre, they acknowledge the second yellow card, per FIFA rules of the game.

Protenpinner (talk) 10:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Second yellow card send off's should be  X'  XX'. The only time  X'  XX' should be used is if the player has been booked then receives a straight red card. As you say, all yellow cards are acknowledged. EDIT: Just on that point - if a player is sent off for a second bookable offence, does that mean he has accumulated two yellows and a red for statistical purposes? FURTHER EDIT: For what it is worth, Opta statistics do not count a red card at all for second yellow send off's, it's just "yellow" and "second yellow". Ck786 (talk) 08:18, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

False positive for the last bit? Who knows but imo a red card should be displayed when there is 2 yellows equaling the red otherwise it might not fully make sense to those that aren't familiar with the game or it's rules. Besides, the wiki mark up displays it on it's own so it's all that's really needed is the times of the two yellows in the code above in the OP. Nonetheless, I completely agree with you although that much is obvious. Protenpinner (talk) 12:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

In regard to Ck786's question, for the purposes of yellow card suspensions, the double yellows are not counted because the player receives an automatic suspension for the red card. Hack (talk) 08:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:FOOTBALL re A-League season articles

Please see here. Hack (talk) 04:30, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Another RfC on naming

Please see the further RfC here. --John (talk) 17:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Soccer is only required to be used once per article

As per the 'consensus' on terminology, all single topic articles related to the sport of football are only required to have the word 'soccer' in the title (if necessary) and in the first paragraph (barring references to the archaic term being used for old organisations eg Soccer Australia). All further examples of the name of the sport after this first usage are to be 'football'. I have subsequently started on replacing obsolete terminology (after the single required usage in the first paragraph) where I found it in various articles. I trust other users in the project will continue to use football where applicable. Macktheknifeau (talk) 13:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

• Project-Class football pages
• NA-importance football pages
• Project-Class soccer in Australia pages
• NA-importance soccer in Australia pages
• Soccer in Australia task force articles
• WikiProject Football articles