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New letters?

Now what? All the letters suddenly changed to an other type. Have I pressed some button and not noticing it? Is it only me or everybody? I don't like this new style. It is too small and it makes me tired. I actually dislike this very much. Want the old style back, was much much less difficult to read . Notice that when leaving a message is the old style. Hafspajen (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• News to me too, Hafspajen. I'm just a peon, no one asks me for my opinion. Drmies (talk) 19:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
  • It's a new thing they've done Misplaced Pages-wide (or at least for everyone who uses the Vector skin; I use Monobook, myself, which was unchanged). To get the old appearance back, put:

@media screen
div#content h1, div#content h2, div#content #firstHeading {
        font-family: sans-serif;
}

into your vector.css page, creating it if necessary. (Thanks for the code, Jackmcbarn!) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:48, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Note that won't undo everything. It just uses the old font in headers again. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• What do I use? What is "monobook"? What is this vector thing? Oh, to be young again, before Al Gore invented the internet. Drmies (talk) 20:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hafspajen, see "typography refresh". Drmies (talk) 19:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I will, because this new style is irritating. Not wide enough, to sharp, to thin, and it takes much more energy to read and concentrate. This not helpfull, no improvment att all, on the contrary. (sorry nothing personal) Hafspajen (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I can tell you that my letters don't look like this at all, not the old or the new. https://www.mediawiki.org/File:OSXChrome_typography_refresh.png The font new looks like a bunch of insects creeping around. Hafspajen (talk) 20:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

NOW YOU ARE ASKED, MIES, IT IS VOTING GOING ON HERE TO GET BACK THE OLD FONT Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)Hafspajen (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Canvassing! Jeez. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)No I am not. I am not telling you what to do. Mies said he was not asked. I tell him he is asked, now. And if you have too high morals I can tell you that there are pretty many people there complaining. One more or less... Don't want Mies should feel he can't say a thing. By the way my head hurts from this new font, eh. Hafspajen (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

There's a benefit of serifs if you want to spell correctly. Anything that lets you tell capital I (9th letter of the alphabet) from lower-case l (12th letter), is a winner, in my view. Otherwise you might need to cut-and-paste from WP into a text editor to tell which is which. In this very sentence, you can't tell the difference between the two (eyes versus ells), since this sentence is presented as body text on the talk page. Body text is not yet reformed, it seems. In section headers you can now tell the two letters apart. EdJohnston (talk) 20:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Well said Ed. The worst aspect of wiki typeface for me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• Drmies, I like serif fonts too, but clearly this is yet another WMF cock-up. (The Signpost says it was intended to improve readability - obviously it fails dismally in that regard.) In any case, I can't imagine why any of you use Vector, which hides everything I need when I'm on my laptop and can't get tildes or input 4-number codes for alt. chars. And looks sucky, too. Go to Preferences, hit Appearance, and switch back to MonoBook. I'd recommend that course of action at Village Pump (technical), but if that recommendation receives too much publicity they'll just take MonoBook away like they took a couple of other skins away, and are intent on taking our talk pages away and replacing them with some Facebook/Yahoo chaos. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• I always chuckle when I see someone saying "they didn't consult me", because they've been testing different iterations of this for over half a year, and over 8000 users on the English Misplaced Pages alone signed up for the beta version... Ed  21:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Ha! You're right! There's a "Beta" thing on top of this page, Ed! Actually, I selected that on my mobile device, where I didn't see any difference. Ed, you have to understand, dude, I don't know what it means. I'm going to reread this entire thread tonight, with a pipe and a snifter of brandy. Then I am going to look up "monobook" and "vector" and see if I can understand it. Then I am going to try and do what Writ Keeper jotted down and see what it means to me. But first there's dinner, dishes, baths, teeth brushing, reading, cleaning up kids' room, putting baby to bed, clean kitchen, and prep for work tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 23:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
    • You're fine, Drmies! The difference between Monobook and Vector is how the webpage looks to you. De.wikipedia still uses Monobook. If you're logged out, you'll see that. Then contrast it with the English Misplaced Pages while logged out. That's Vector. :-) Monobook was the English Misplaced Pages's default skin up to 2009 or so. Good luck with the chores and kid! Ed  03:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks Ed; I actually managed to figure some of that out myself. Actually, when I go IP slumming things look different--for instance, lines in the edit screen are double-spaced (my socks have the same problem). Chores are done, kids are in bed, yet again--until the next time. Drmies (talk) 02:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
• The text size and line height increased. Before, I constantly had to increase the font size to read. I can read Misplaced Pages much better now. Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

That is happy news. I feel just the opposite, for some reason. Hafspajen (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen, if there is any consolation, it's that it could have been worse. I was using the typography refresh beta option until they decided that all pages should only be 750px wide (some number in the 700s, can't remember the exact number). One half of my web browser was white space. I'm praying to any deity I can think for this not to happen permanently. Bgwhite (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Bless you my child. Hafspajen (talk) 22:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• (Answering question above what vector, what mono) Mies, where is your little window with Search - is it to your left, (under the Main page, current events, Random article and so on) if you are on a talk page? If it is to the left, you are using Preferences Mono.. . If it is above to your right, you are using preferences Vector. In this case you will notice that your letters became smaller, thinner and .. well you know. If not, check out a page on commons. Any page. They use this new font for letters already. This is the way it looks like like for half or more of the wiki right now. Hafspajen (talk) 23:34, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

.Or simply look here, whatewer you use - you will see see here how it looks like for most people now.

Went back to mono, by the way. Hafspajen (talk) 23:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• So, MonoBook and all those things are names of "skins". I got it. Yngvadottir, that MonoBook looks familiar. I probably had that at some point. But this Vector has all the buttons in familiar places, and I'd rather have a bunch of those admin things as pull-down menus than as separate little tabs. I wish I could have a serif font, though. Haf, for me these letters are too skinny. Drmies (talk) 01:10, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• Well, Mies, that was exactly what I was talking about in the last five hours. It makes you feel like if you would see blue dogs, when they looked just fine before. Hafspajen (talk) 01:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• Don't exaggerate. It's just a dog in a blue sweater. FWIW, I didn't see no dogs at all, just little sticks. Oh, I tried Writ Keeper's magic code. Didn't do anything. Drmies (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, same here. No difference. Hafspajen (talk) 01:33, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

sv-WP

I noticed that you had been blocked on sv-WP, which is one of the most provincial WPs around, as you undoubtedly have noticed (Swedish word of the day: "inkrökt"). Now you know why I'm not active there. Thomas.W 20:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC) (I'm back, yet not back, because WP will be on the back burner for the foreseeable future...)

• Thomas, I didn't even get angry since I was already unblocked by the time I noticed, so I am not too upset about it. There was some back-and-forthing over that block, and the treatment of Hafspajen--well, I suppose they can run things the way they want to, that's their right. The results are clear: their editors come over here, and I for one am very appreciative of that, haha, since they're a welcome addition to the team. I don't have much to contribute anyway since I can't write Swedish worth a damn, and yes, "provincial" is the proper way to describe it--but to each his own. I'm just kind of saddened about this attitude; I'd love for all of us to get along a little bit better. But again, the end result is that we have pretty decent coverage of Swedish topics, given how few Swedes we have here; the ones that we have are good, and have made cross-cultural friendships. DYK that Hafspajen and I wrote up a Danish topic? Danish? Now how is that for cross-boundary cooperation? Anyway, thanks for your note. I hope we'll see you around more often--and good luck with your exam/wedding/pregnancy/new house/potty training/driver's license/fishing expedition or whatever is occupying you in real life. Drmies (talk) 23:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
• I don't know, Mies if you noticed that our other article we did (Gardens of N) got hit on DYK like 16490 times or so. (18,615 hits between Apr 1, 2014 – Apr 3, 2014 ) - Big time. Hafspajen (talk) 23:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, the blocking admin resigned about 48 hours after the block: m:Steward_requests/Permissions/2014-03#MagnusA.40svwiki They even blocked sv:User:Translation Notification Bot. But sadly, as messed up as enwiki can be, it's actually fairly well run compared to a lot of other wikis... --Rschen7754 23:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
    • But Rschen, I don't want anyone to resign. Just to play nice. Drmies (talk) 00:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Yeah... it's astounding that Wikimedia hasn't fallen apart yet. --Rschen7754 03:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
        • (A minor Scandinavian question)- were 18th century Norwegian-Swedish bibles printed in some variant of Fraktur font? I was perusing one yesterday- I thought at first it was German- notes in the front (which gave me an approximate date) were written by someone called Olaf Andersen- or was it some obscure Schleswig-Holstein dialect? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Swedish bibles were printed in Fraktur during the 18th century, as can be seen from this image, and the same goes AFAIK for Danish-Norwegian bibles. Thomas.W 09:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)-

• Thanks very much! I'm familiar (sort of) with the Geneva and King James blackletters- though I still manage to confuse them- this was a new one to me. I hear the German Misplaced Pages is going to use a Comic Sans version of Sutterlin.Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, don't confuse those, Xanthomelanoussprog. The Puritans will have your head for it. It's funny, given the ubiquitous presence of the King James in the US (God spoke King James English, in case you didn't know), that those early Pilgrims had a very different bible since, ahem, they were trying to get away from said James. (Few people here realize that, in my experience.) Drmies (talk) 00:20, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• I've noticed the same, the King James version is called the "original" by a particular subset of society. Then again, most pictures of him make him look more like a European rock star than a Jewish carpenter. Can we tag America with an {{original research}} tag? Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• I've got a KJV of 1625, in which certain inhabitants of Seagrave have written their names (and household accounts). Some of them are buried in the churchyard I put them there- I hate people who use yellow underliner in books. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Black edit summary

Your "bwaa ha ha" edit summary was entirely inappropriate. You are a middle-aged man, not a 12 year old boy, edit summaries are not for taking potshots at others for their off-wiki comments (which is what I assume this was about). It's a BLP of a public figure — and a prominent WP critic, which you might have noted if you didn't delete the article link — and when you're writing shit like "I'm going to delete this article one comma at a time" and get the subject worked up about the motivations of the anonymous admin with a machete, that's well over the line. It's a sensitive bio, that stuff shouldn't be happening. If you've got something to say to me about my off wiki comments, welcome to my user talk, or send me an email (my email addie is posted on my user page), or sign in and go after me off wiki. Any of those things are fine. No links here to keep the drama down, if you think I'm being too oblique I will happily provide a diff. best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 22:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about, and you don't have to provide them with a diff, since I'm sure it's already been mulled over. It's a "sensitive" bio only because a couple of agitators made it one, and I don't give a flying fuck for what they think. You should know, as someone who used to be a good editor, that the criticism on "that" website of my editing the article is a bunch of crap. "Oh he must hate the guy". "Oh why doesn't he work on another article". "Oh it must be because he has a personal ax(e) to grind". Yeah, I'm a paid IBM operative trying to whitewash the company record.

  It seems that you're suggesting that the subject in question is in contact with you and some of those "others", and that's an interesting thought, one which we'll not pursue any further today. If those others could find it in their hearts and their gullets to attempt to edit constructively, or at least criticize constructively, without outing, insulting, and invading the privacy of editors they don't like, it would be a different matter. But I'll take the "middle-aged man" thing as a compliment, since I don't really can't put much stock in anything else you say. I like the gift as I like the giver, and I don't like the company you keep, or the fact that you seem to chime in with their choir. If the choir shuts up, then I have no quarrel. (There's a few there with half a conscience or more, and they know who they are, and I respect them and their opinion.) Thank you, Drmies (talk) 23:05, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

• Tim, I don't go after anyone. Drmies (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

To be absolutely clear, and to repeat what I've said before off-wiki which you may have missed — YES, he is in contact with me, adhering to Jimmy Wales' Bright Line like a disciple. That's how Wales' goofy doofy concept is supposed to work. People, particularly controversial public figures, have not only a right to monitor their own WP biographies — they would be completely foolish not to. If something goes haywire: I hear about it. If there's a new book out: I hear about it. If anything was wrong while I was rewriting it, factually wrong, I was corrected on it. Nobody told me what to write, but trust me that what I did write was carefully vetted. I'm pleased that you don't "go after" anyone. That has not been fully obvious to me and I will Assume Good Faith. Carrite (talk) 16:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I'm still a "good Wikipedian." Please never forget. Carrite (talk) 16:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

You'll pardon me for being a little irked after reading all that crap about me, and those pretty desperate attempts to blacken my character. That's what bothers me about that company. I assume you have watched some of my edits, and you should know that, for instance, I rarely leave long, long lists of publications intact unless these are publications that have some proven notability, proven by reviews or so. I've edited articles on people that I actually know, and have pruned them the same way that I prune other articles: you are welcome to check my record, if you haven't already done so. Your subject is more than welcome to drop me a line; let there be no suggestion that they wouldn't know how to do that. And I don't know all the things you said off-wiki: I really have no interest in figuring out what other people say elsewhere. I am not a regular reader of Wikipediocracy or Misplaced Pages Review, and don't read it at all unless someone points me to something. Andreas has, for instance, and I'll follow those suggestions. Another kind and unfortunately banned soul pointed out "my" thread to me, and I read it without pleasure. I know that Afadsbad comments on that website, but that has no bearing on for instance the recent ANI thread about them, even though I vaguely remember disagreeing vehemently with something they said (don't even remember what it was). As for "good", you'll recall that I supported your RfA, perhaps. Anyway, if it wasn't clear, I got nothing against your subject or what they wrote about, but that company over there doesn't care for what I say or do, only for what they think they can deduct. Drmies (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Just letting you know something new has come up. —Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Children?

Drmies, you are the baby-expert. What am I supposed to do with an user who is six years old editing banking? Hafspajen (talk) 14:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

That's some 6-year-old. Anyway, they have now been checkuser-blocked. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• HM. Miracle.Hafspajen (talk) 16:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• Who was it? Looked like a fine bit of rewriting, after a cursory glance. Drmies (talk) 18:55, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Another of such age works on Tuskegee Airmen, - I am off to rehearsal. Would ask Mark, but ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hwo knows... Any Korean page stalkers? Can anyone check if this museum really changed its name or it is just a joke? Or some missunderstanding. Hafspajen (talk) 19:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• The website refers to Hansol Museum on one of its pages and SAN on the main page- I'm guessing that it has changed its name to SAN, and the website hasn't been completely updated. That long long list of "projects" doesn't look too notable- more like a builder's order book (c.f. Zaha Hadid's page- she's the architect who designed a stadium looking like a ) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:07, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• Can you speak Korean? Hafspajen (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• Niet. I copied the text and pasted it into a certain online translation service. I had a look at some photos of his work- impressive. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 05:21, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah. That was my concern too. San can simply mean, - we are open on fridays or so... Yes, Tadao Ando is the BEST. Hafspajen (talk) 05:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Not sure. Hafspajen (talk) 05:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome for hybrids like me ;) - Guess what, I wanted to recreate the redirect (Latin) bolded in Jesus Christ is Risen Today (which I reviewed for DYK) and ran into a permission error. Suspicious, Sur­rex­it Christ­us ho­die? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that, Yngvadottir! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

AZ-Benfica

Hi there MIES, AL "here",

oddly enough, you were rooting for the "Portuguese" team, i was rooting for the Dutch team. Benfica played with TWO Portuguese players (one thing that utterly disgusts me in the football in my country, must be an agents and/or presidents "thing", i've seen teams in DIV3 with 15 foreign players - and i'm not the racist over here, i don't mind teams having 8-10 imports, the managers and those who back them up are, saying to a national player "fuck off", then bringing a foreign player of equal or inferior quality just because!). In a "funny" story, Rúben Amorim, one of two national players in Benfica, seriously injured himself; all said, i was careful enough not to say the match result, even though i think you know it by now.

In another horrible result for me, F.C. Porto beat Sevilla FC, the latter finished the game with MORE Portuguese players on the pitch than the former!!

P.S. This time no prima-donna attitude, it's solved as i've "trained my brain" into it for quite some time: am leaving for good as soon as the whistle blows to end the 2014 FIFA World Cup, had a good eight-year run and met some marvellous people, but 1 - have had it up to here (well you can see me, but i'm signalling the top of my head :)); 2 - sick and tired of the vandals; 3 - this is a neverending task, sometimes people die/retire from their field of expertise and their articles continue to be updated/vandalized; 4 - can't seem to meet most of the WP guidelines, not saying it's a terrible thing, just saying.

Kindest regards, whistle if you need anything in these three months --AL (talk) 17:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

assistance

Could you take a look at my post on ANI Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Similar_case, and the ongoing discussion at Talk:Firewall_(physics)#Quantum_theory.2C_by_Winterberg. I am at a loss of how to stop this guy from attacking me and the others who he thinks are in a WP:CABAL against him. The pages are already semid, and hes editing at the IP of a major university, so blocking him could cause a big disruption for the other students and staff. I suppose we could semi the talk page too, but I haven't seen that done often. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

• Not much I can do right except for blocking the most recent IP. A range block is an option, as is semi-protecting the talk pages. On the black hole talk page it's been going on a while, and I want to say RBI, but semi-protection is valid at this point. Consider looking through to see if there is a master account and maybe start an SPI? I know, that doesn't do much either, but a paper trail is always nice. Drmies (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
• I semi-protected both talk pages for a week. Keep me posted please. Drmies (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Bacon jams deletion

I was looking into Prodding The bacon jams. I fear if I did this, that your bacon cabal would wield their power and force me out of Misplaced Pages. Do you or one of your bacon cohorts want to determine if a Prod is necessary and place the Prod? If it is too difficult for you, I can do it. Bgwhite (talk) 04:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• 'preciate the note, Bgwhite. We should call in the de facto head ham of the bacon project, Kelapstick. Neither he nor I wrote the article, so chances are it's neither good nor funny. I found nothing remotely interesting, tasty, or notable about the article, though being funded by Kickstarter usually means instant notability. Then again, if anyone can turn bacon into a GA, it's Cirt. Drmies (talk) 05:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Prodded. Beware of the evil talkpage stalkers. Bishonen | talk 07:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC).
    • Bishonen, I hate to see the hail and brimstone that befalls you. You Prodded without approval from Kelapstick and the rest of the bacon cabal. It is probably for the best as it would be to difficult and traumatic for one of them to do it. Bgwhite (talk) 07:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I foresee ending up on AfD in the bloody bacon battle of the century. Why do I do these things to myself? Because Twinkle makes prod beguilingly easy? Yes. Bishonen | talk 07:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC).
        • I'd love to help out in a collaborative effort with somebody else, but I've got a lot of other quality improvement projects going on these days related to freedom of speech and censorship. — Cirt (talk) 09:03, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
          • Those aren't really different topics though; freedom of speech is central to any bacon-centred philosophy. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:58, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
            • Keep Obviously notable and I like it. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 10:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

To answer Bishonen's rhetorical PROD question, we don't need it any times at all, neither in Bacon jam nor separately. Joint is simply not notable. A mention in an article in het lokale sufferdje (can you translate that, Yngvadottir?) do not add up to notability, usually. Drmies (talk) 15:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

(interrupting) Could one of you admins have a look at the strange red link above and establish permission to create a redirect Surrexit Christus hodie? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Look, let's not pig out here, I don't want to go into a whole hog AfD. I wasn't planning on chewing the fat on this one, but it looks like I have address these Pork barrel articles. My first question is there a reason that {{db-corp}} is not applicable? Is mention in a local (Philadelphia) food and restaurant website an indication of importance? My judgement is obscured by my view of the prairies. There is so much to see, nothing is in the way, here is an example of the landscape __________ . My first instinct is to remove the PROD per WP:BACON, but I may have a COI. --kelapstick 13:06, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• I contributed a small additional reference and some further info from one of the existing ones. However, searching more widely led me (via this) to Cronut®, whose title is remarkable. I will hold off on moving it to plain old Cronut in case there's been a policy change I've missed. Or in case someone else is hungrier for the ... glory than I am. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Being the power hungry fella that I am, I moved it, not because of policy, but because ® looks stupid. I have also removed all the places it showed up from the body of the article. I did read on the news ticker on whatever news program was on this morning (I can't remember exactly, but cut me some slack, it was 4:30 am) that they were closed because of a mouse infestation. --kelapstick 15:20, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
    • So I don't get charged with defamation --kelapstick 15:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
      • I left a note for the trademark-contributing editor. FYI, the MOS policy is at MOS:TMRULES. Thanks for moving it, K-stick; that was the proper thing to do. Drmies (talk) 15:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

(One term is "the local fishwrap".) Yngvadottir (talk) 15:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Ahem, anyone noticed the article Bacon jam? Hafspajen (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice it? Ahem, take a look at the history, Hafspajen. Bishonen | talk 16:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC).

I only like very crispy, almost burned, bacon -- I've noticed they don't make a crispy variety of bacon jam, so you can delete all bacon jam. Dougweller (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Being a bacon connoisseur, I prepare bacon in a number of fashions. Crispy for sandwiches, slow smoked over hickory coals for horderves, medium pot cooked for a ham-like flavor perfect as a main dish, diced and fast fried for Texas style fried rice (with scallions), etc. I've yet to try chocolate covered bacon but I want to. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 16:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

HHuh. Bacon and ice-cream with picles? Hafspajen (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Dennis, I am shocked that you haven't tried chocolate-covered. I have made it at least twice, the last time I did I sprinkled maple bacon sea salt on top. It was great. As I explained to Drmies once before, all you need is to get some Baker's Chocolate (I prefer semi-sweet) to coat it with, it is all too simple. I may pour it over next time rather than completely coating it, leaving a higher bacon:chocolate ratio. --kelapstick 16:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, yes, Chocolate-covered bacon. A DYK from 2009, from the good old days, K-stick, when CoM was spurring us on every second. Glad to see my ganache-covered bacon is still in there. Word to the wise: don't use ganache. Drmies (talk) 18:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

They sell it at fairs and festivals here, but I just haven't been at the right place at the right time. The wife and I honestly fry up blocks of bacon softly and keep in the fridge, to quick microwave and use as garnish for sandiches, a quick meal, etc. There is always cooked and raw bacon in the fridge. I don't eat tons of it at a time, but I eat it different ways almost daily....Hmmm, that's weird, why is my left arm numb?... Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 16:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Just go slow on the Viagra, Dennis. We do want to retain you. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Hamburger with orange slices, bacon and ice cream, marsmellows with picles?Hafspajen (talk) 16:20, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Musings

You know, something that doesn't pass for recognition as re what "disruptive to the encyclopedia" is/means, is the crap thrown at Eric, for e.g., which has caused him to decide to break from editing on occasion. Another thing, regarding notorious sock User:Wiki brah, if there are 174 (or whatever) sock killings in that history, duh, what does that suggest (perhaps, that the current approach to disuade is ... not working !?)?! In general Doctor, I really feel I'm maybe only 1/5th the contributions I can/want to make here, ... and I've learned a lot along the way ... and a lot of that is just how putrid the environment is here and the venues are here ... which I'd like to avoid ... as much as I'm sure Eric does (though plz don't mistake I'm comparing him to me -- not at all -- he's a bright star, and I know my place; but there are some principles e.g. Eric supports re *all* editors s/b treated equally, etc., in a better world). Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

• The problem with dealing with disruptive editors (that's how it started, I'm pretty sure) is that some of them want to stick around and get more disruptive--that's an obvious truth. I'm not going to agree if the claim is that MaxBrowne brought it on themselves: that's the Wikipediocracy kind of argument, that sort of backlash of "they blocked/banned me so they have it coming". If I get banned or blocked from something I'll move on and find something else to do. That's not to say that I think there is no redemption possible, because I think often there is. Maybe so in this case. I've interacted with them once or twice and they were fine with me, but as long as off- and on-wiki harassment (through socks, usually) continues there isn't much to discuss. If that behavior changes, it's a different matter--the matter of WP:OFFER.

  Now, you may say that our past course of action hasn't worked, but I don't know: maybe it has. Banned editors who disrupt are typically reverted quickly. Disruptive editors who are still part of the flock have more better opportunities to disrupt, and that can be much harder to deal with. Gotta go--take it easy, Drmies (talk) 18:51, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Advice requested

Hi Drmies, could you perhaps have a look here if you find a moment? Any advice is welcome! Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 14:20, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

• YGM, shortly. Drmies (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
  • No, that's not how it goes! You're supposed to start it without telling Drmies and see how long it is before he notices that you started without him. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Hah, I'll do that next time ;-) Advice from talk page stalkers is welcome, too, btw... --Randykitty (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Nonono, WK--I am way too distracted and self-centered to pay much attention. I'm the worst wiki-stalker in the world. Randy, keep me posted, cause I'll have no idea what's happening. :) Drmies (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
      • (talk page stalker) Be prepared to send lots of emails about your prior accounts.NE Ent 18:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
        • Yeah, that's what I'd say as well. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
          • Which is why I would have advised Mr. Kitty to keep this off-wiki, 'xcept that he didn't ask me. Clearly not of Ph.D. caliber, haha. Ah well, it'll all work out, no doubt. Ent, Randy is one of the good ones. Drmies (talk) 18:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
            • • I took the email thing out. On second thought, nobody can reasonably ask me to out myself. Should be enough that Drmies and DGG can confirm that I did not do this under a cloud and never have been subjected to any sanction/restrictions. As for the PhD, Drmies, I haven't decided yet what I want to become when I'm grown up. Although, come to think of it, I'd probably better start thinking about what to do once I retire... --Randykitty (talk) 19:55, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
                • At least you don't have to go anywhere when you retire: you're already there. You know I will look you up one of these days. Touzac, Lot isn't that far away. Drmies (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
                  • You'll be very welcome! Some of my neighbors produce wine, you know, but we also have good pubs with a more than reasonable selection of beers :-) --Randykitty (talk) 11:47, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

JB et al

Given your penchant for social media, how about List of food trucks on Twitter? --kelapstick 18:59, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

• You need to block Drmies for refactoring my comments. Don't make me have to drag him to ANI.... ;-) Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Go for it. To speak the plain truth, it's gettin' pretty damn dull around here. But aren't you pleased that your statement was made so much correcter? Drmies (talk) 03:43, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Just because you're sexy doesn't mean you get to put words in my mouth. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 12:32, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
    • That's borderline, Dennis. Drmies (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
      • ... I hear dull? With an interview by me in the Signpost, pictured? And the Chopin talk? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

You have been blocked for being a delicious hunk of man candy.--kelapstick 12:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• Again! For how long? Drmies (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

You get blocked a lot.. eh? We will not mention the Vikings. Hafspajen (talk) 18:44, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

A title

Why change Christmas worldwide to Geography of Christmas?? It gives the feeling of climbing around trees, hams and candy- Hafspajen (talk) 22:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

• Geography of Christmas does sound rather awkward. Geography of Christmas Island sounds ok because it is a place, but Christmas is a date, not a place. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:27, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
  • What makes it sound weird Dennis is that the article is about Christmas, not about geography. The title GoC sounds like the article is actually about geography not about customs. --kelapstick 22:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Exactly. I think that was a bad move to that title. Maybe a different title than Christmas worldwide, but ditch "Geography". Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:34, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Right so, exactly. Hafspajen (talk) 22:35, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Maybe International Christmas traditions and customs (that isn't right either, but you catch my drift.) --kelapstick 22:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, best so far- Hafspajen (talk) 22:49, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

If we are reflecting world wide perspective (as policy says we should), do we need to use "International"? Just Christmas traditions and customs sounds fine to me. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:51, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I was struggling with that, I am not sure...maybe. --kelapstick 22:54, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

But it is about a lot of countries.... Hafspajen (talk) 23:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

So? We have an article on Bacon that covers the delicacy in many countries, but we don't have International bacon. By virtue of being an encyclopedia and Christmas being an international holiday, it is already implied that the article will cover it internationally. How well it is covered internationally is a matter of editing, not of title. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

To add, if you wanted to cover traditions only in Germany or the US, you would make Christmas traditions and customs in Germany or similar. No country owns the holiday, so more specific articles should differentiate. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

You got a point there, Dennis. Hafspajen (talk) 23:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

International Hafspajen (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I really wonder how the Swedes view the Swedish Chef, ignorant racism or humorous affection? After all, when he was popular, we were buying a lot of Abba albums at the same time. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:46, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Definitely funny. Hafspajen (talk) 00:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah right, an other of this weird titles, . Dog agility worldwide became Geography of dog agility. This young man has Geography on his mind. Hafspajen (talk) 03:33, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of geography: Did You Know...that Drmies camped a few nights at Saint Birgitta's chapel? Drmies (talk) 03:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

No, didn't. Because it was nice or convenient or ... Were you hoping for a vision? OK; because it was on Öland!! New aricle! Nice. Can anyone stop this guy? He is mass moving articles like: Robotics worldwide ->Geography of robotics, Firefighting worldwide ->‎ Geography of firefighting ...Rugby league around the world to -> Geography of rugby league - now this is really the worst Swimming around the world ->Geography of swimming'!! and Ice cream around the world -> Geography of ice cream!... Hafspajen (talk) 03:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

This is a matter that should be taken up with Neelix. I don't have much of an opinion yet, but maybe Neelix can explain: there seem to be significant objections. Drmies (talk) 04:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Unless we are talking about Star Trek: Voyager, I don't know Neelix, but I would like to be pinged if a bigger discussion takes place. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 12:30, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• Neelix? Hafspajen (talk) 14:38, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for calling my attention to this discussion, Drmies! I was surprised to see that this discussion had become so lengthy before I even found out that it had begun. I have undertaken these moves because "worldwide" very rarely means anything in the context of an article title, as has been pointed out above by Dennis Brown; the Bacon article is already about bacon worldwide, therefore it would be superfluous to add the word "worldwide" to the title of that article, and it would not make sense to create a new article called "Bacon worldwide" because that title does not indicate a difference from the main article. An article about how bacon is treated differently in different places would have to have a title that indicates that subject, and "Bacon worldwide" doesn't do that. When I have found the word "worldwide" in the title of an article, I have normally simply removed it (ex. Timeline of women hazzans worldwide → Timeline of women hazzans). In some cases, however, the article was not about the general topic but rather about the human geography of that thing. Before I initiated moves from "x around the world" or "x worldwide" to "Geography of x", there had already existed an article called Geography of food and another called Geography of finance. I modelled the other human-geography-related article titles on these two pre-existing titles. This format matches history and philosophy; an article about how the treatment of x has differed throughout history is called "History of x", an article about how the treatment of x has differed among philosophies is called "Philosophy of x", and an article about how the treatment of x has differed geographically is called "Geography of x". I didn't come up with this concept on my own; it is a common concept in human geography and was already in place in several articles on Misplaced Pages. All that being said, a look at the present article demonstrates that it is an outline of Christmas traditions that happen to be sorted geographically, and I would therefore support a move to Christmas traditions (as "traditions and customs" is redundant). Neelix (talk) 15:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Hope you don't mind, if I tell you that I like you very much ( checked your userpage..) but I am not that happy about these geography changes ... Geography of food is indeed about geography, but this mass geography of ..x, y, z ..is streching things a bit too far. Hafspajen (talk) 16:09, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that is the key here, if the article is about geography, then "Geography of" makes sense. Otherwise, it is a bit awkward. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 17:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• PEOPLE are complaing at the Talk:Geography of Christmas .. moved this discussion.. there... it can go om there or here, but I think this is relevant, for the discussion here ->there. Hafspajen (talk) 18:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• You need a note before that stating that you have copied the discussion ("this section moved from user talk:drmies"), or it might be confusing. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 19:09, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Actually "people" was just me. I read over this discussion here earlier today and then started up a conversation on the article talk page. Thanks for moving the comments. Liz 02:04, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Maastricht

Hi Drmies- I will be in Maastricht later this week. If you know the area and have any suggestions for good photography any recommendations would be welcome. Thanks-Godot13 (talk) 05:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oh! That's fascinating, Godot13. It's a part of the country I hardly know, to my discredit. A few things come to mind--the Vaalserberg, if you're in the neighborhood (there is no good shot of the hill itself on Commons, I mean a shot of, not from the hill). But in Maastricht itself, I don't know...this suggests that there's a lot of quality images on Commons, though this one, currently in the article, is not impressive. Perhaps this is a good time of year to take such shots because it's green but not yet completely tree-covered. The Sint Servaasbrug comes to mind but there's dozens if not hundreds of photographs of that. I don't like the image in the infobox of Treasury of the Basilica of Saint Servatius, but again, Commons has a ton of articles. Will you be there for the Amstel Gold Race (on the 17th)? An "overview", like wide shot, of the start would be nice. In general, though, it seems that we have tons and tons of images of just about everything in the city, but I'm speaking from my Amsterdam perspective: I simply don't know what I'm not seeing. Randykitty, do you have anything to offer here? Godot, thanks for asking; I hope you have a great time. I envy you; I've really only driven through it en route for Belgium and France, cussing at traffic along the way. Again, to my discredit. Drmies (talk) 17:01, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi Drmies- Thanks for your response. Actually I'm there for an international paper money convention in Valkenburg. If there are historical/cultural/architectural sites of interest, I will duck out of the show and travel an hour's drive to see them. I leave via Amsterdam (one day/night) for London before the Amstel Race...--Godot13 (talk) 19:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Hmmm...I was looking at the calendar for Paradiso--nothing there I recognize. Maybe there's something exciting for you in the Melkweg. Go see how the vodka tonics are on the Spui, in the Cafe Luxembourg, and for beer...well, no one can beat Gollem. Even thinking about it makes me thirsty. I'm sorry that I am not well versed enough in the southern part of the country, and even more sorry that I, like every other northerner, used to make fun of them. Break a leg at your convention and enjoy--and if you really need a fellow photographer (and certified designer) to show you around in Amsterdam, drop me a line and I'll hook you up with my friend Nils, on the Egelantiersgracht. Drmies (talk) 20:04, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

'Fraid I can't add much, only been to Maastricht once a couple of years ago for a meeting. I do remember a small pub in a side street, owner named Piet, who sold hundreds of different beers. Didn't allow you to order your own beer: you had to describe what kind of beer you preferred, he'd ask a couple of extra questions, and then serve you a beer you'd never heard of before. Guy's a genius: we were 4 people and all got different beers and of course tasted each other's beers. Each one of us stated that his beer was the best of the lot! Unfortunately, I can't give you any more directions than that and "Piet" is a rather common name there... --Randykitty (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Scholberg

On 7 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Henry Scholberg, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that bibliographer Henry Scholberg chose to participate in the Minnesota Starvation Experiment rather than continue working in a mental hospital? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Scholberg. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Thanks from the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

hi thtere, Can you please check the refs. for 2 pages please Christopher Bullock and Family of Duchess of Cambridge

Is it all ok?

Cheers Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.213.179 (talk) 11:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• Scholberg's parents are described as "patriotic Methodist missionaries" in the article, and in Scholberg's memoir he remembers that his father refused to talk about certain aspects of his work in British India. Hmmmm… Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 14:54, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• Well, take it up with {{U}|Sitush}}! I just made some copyedits and don't deserve this one (Mandarax, I'm not going to count it). Drmies (talk) 02:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

JVC Cuijk

The matter of flags in squad lists has been discussed to death at WT:FOOTY, the current template is the result of that. It clearly states that the flags represent FIFA nationality, not national representation. GiantSnowman 12:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Far as I can see, Drmies is absolutely correct that this flies into the face of WP:MOSFLAG. Of course, sports is by now one of the strongest stimulating forces behind the outdated 19th century notion of nation state... --Randykitty (talk) 13:11, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
• GiantSnowman, it sounds as if you're telling me that because they don't "represent" national representation, that MOS:FLAG does not apply. That's sophistry. Because it's "FIFA nationality", it's not nationality? And no words need to be used, despite the fact that there are technical, "visual" reasons for requiring words? FOOTY cannot override MOS. Drmies (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• If you have a problem with the template's use of flags, please raise it somewhere, ideally FOOTY as a first port-of-call. But removing flags from the template as it is currently used does not help anything. GiantSnowman 17:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Etymology of Mies

I've been researching your nickname (because I'm that kind of bored today) trying to figure out the source, what it is short for, whatever. It doesn't mean anything proper in Dutch, Swedish or many other languages. Is it German by chance? Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:17, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Short version of a longer name as per Mies Boissevain-van Lennep? GiantSnowman 21:01, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I like mine better. Use Google translate to see why. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 21:14, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

That is a lot better than Finnish. --kelapstick 21:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Huh, I never even thought to consider the Dr to be a title. This probably sounds horrid, but I've always tried to force a pronunciation on it like a single word, roughly like "durmeez." I, JethroBT 21:39, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I've since learned what it means, but I still think of the word as deyrmees. Ed  21:47, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Ludwig Mies van der Rohe - respected architect, guys! Hafspajen (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

…Léon Krier- Mies' antithesis! The view of Poundbury from Maiden Castle bears a strong resemblance to Dartmoor Prison. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I always thought it was "deyrmees" but now I'm wondering if it's "Dr. Mees" like "me a doctor". Are we taking bets on who's right? CorporateM (Talk) 22:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation came up at my RfA--it was the toughest question I had to answer. I am familiar with the German meaning, Dennis, but let's not revisit old wounds. I am more inclined, if it's meaning we're looking for, to think of how my American GF, about two decades ago (!), made it work--"I love meeces to pieces" I believe is how she spelled it. Drmies (talk) 22:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

If you would camel case your name, people would stop calling you "Derm-Eaze", which is how I used to pronounce it, like a pharmacy product. And I'm not one to open old wounds. Pour salt on fresh ones, sure, but not reopen them. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Great.....now I'm going to think of cartoon mice every time I see Drmies posts. ;-)--Mark Miller (talk) 23:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• That is kind of funny, when my nieces were little, I would do the "I love my nieces, to pieces!" in my best Jinx the cat impersonation. They didn't know who Jinx was, but it made them giggle wildly, and frankly, that is all that matters. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:14, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hey! I thought we had determined that the "mies" stood for "metastable impact electron spectroscopy".

  Drmies, I'm glad that your girlfriend (as well as Dennis) was able to turn hate into love. But is she now your wife, and if not, how does your wife feel about you having a username inspired by an old girlfriend? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:31, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Well this conversation took a sharp left turn.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:32, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

/me gets popcorn. So much for not opening old wounds. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

My wife doesn't read this page, Mandarax. I hope. But let's get our chronology straight: first there was the American, then there was the German, then there was Mrs. Drmies (naming just the main characters in this domestic tragicomedy). Also, "my" "name" was not inspired by her in any way--I've been Mies for as long as I can remember (also "Mozes", which is what my father called me sometimes), but it's from that one that I learned what the word meant in German. Ha, don't choke on that popcorn, Dennis--there's no story here. (Unless you're interested in that tampon story? the morning after the night of the Eurovision Song Contest? and the only place where I could get one was from my friend, who was also her former boyfriend?)

Ah, Mandarax, thanks for that link to the good old days, when stuffed flying cats still had a place on Misplaced Pages! Is that cat still in Colonel Warden's user space? And wasn't Bgwhite involved with this one way or another? Drmies (talk) 02:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Meeses.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I'll tell you another German expression I learned from that girl and her equally raven-haired German friend: "Knackarsch des Jahres". That's right Gerda: MINE. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Dennis Braun. (I think the year may have been 1992 or so.) Drmies (talk) 02:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the cat is still in Colonel Warden's userspace, with several references that I hadn't seen before; Orvillecopter, of course, now redirects to the section of the article I wrote on KunstRAI. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

What's this I hear about Endangered Mies!??? Emily Litella Ent 09:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• I always thought of Mies Bouwman and for the longest time thought that our Knackarsch here was a woman... And I'm exhilarated that I finally see a subject where I can beat Drmies: girlfriends! I was actually engaged 4 times (one Dutch, one French, two American), never actually making it to the altar (being an engaging guy at the time, I guess), except for finally number 4 (really The Love of my life and definitely worth the wait :-). Had three German girlfriends, too. Ha! Talk about putting something in your pipe and smoke it! --Randykitty (talk) 13:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure if having more means you win. Like what I tell people who ask for marriage advice (I've been married 21 years): "I don't know much about marriage, I've only done it once." Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 13:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm something of a woman, dear Randy, no doubt. That's a lot of engagements, by the way. Dennis, that's a lot of years, and a lot of trips to Vegas, I suppose. Drmies (talk) 18:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
    • I was beaten by a young American woman who told me she had been engaged 13 or 14 times, with 3 break-ups actually taking place before the altar... She did get married in the end, but it only lasted 2 or 3 years... BTW, I actually never made it to the altar: we got married in the medieval city hall in my home town :-) And as for the three previous engagements, I have excuses (the best one being that fiancée number two left me because she wanted to become a nun because she was in love with a priest... Really.) --Randykitty (talk) 18:19, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• • • Went to LV five or six times I think, including last year for our 20th. Of course, we time it with trade shows so we can write it off, being the capitalist pigs that we are. I'm not much of a gambler but Mrs. Brown does enough for two people. I'm leaving her at home next week when I go to Denver for the 2014 Cannabis Cup on April 20th. Purely for business, of course. I have to tour some medical cannabis dispensaries in San Francisco later this year, I'll be stag. She's only interested when casinos are nearby. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 18:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Remember Cypress Hill, "Inhale...exhale..."? Well, send me an ounce in the mail! But don't use my Misplaced Pages name on the envelope, lest someone find out about it. Drmies (talk) 18:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
        • I will just send it to your work address, the odor should blend in nicely, no one will even notice. Or I could just send you some prescription brownies. And no, I won't be judging this year. Honestly, it is more of a sociological trip, to study the cannabis smoker in their native habitat. I feel like Jane Goodall. Expect photos. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 19:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

That is a long section on poor Dr Mies. Hafspajen (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• TWSS. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:23, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages:BLPHafspajen (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Mies is an attention whore, he loves everyone talking about him. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

' Oh, I know, just teasing Mandarax.... Hafspajen (talk) 00:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Global blocking

Your comment prompted me to add something to WP:GB regarding global locking; thanks! It felt somewhat weird to add a big chunk to a policy page without discussion, but since WP:GB just describes policies elsewhere, I doubt anyone will object to a simple descriptive sentence. Nyttend (talk) 03:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you so much for clearing that up: it would have saved me some time, yes. And thanks for the note, Nyttend, I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 17:55, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• You're welcome; I was quite surprised it wasn't already in there. And I share the surprise of those who thought you were "durmeez" or "deyrmees". Nyttend (talk) 21:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frans van der Lugt

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Move discussion

Would you care to close this? Radiopathy •talk• 23:00, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Radiopathy, your side was doing well until Cuchullain came along. This is a big issue, I see now. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oh, I came this close to moving your article, Radiopathy. If your opponents had done their homework a bit better it might have happened. Drmies (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Urgent attention required from all DYK reviewers

The problem. Drmies has threatened to retire when he hits 300 DYKs. It is imperative that we do whatever is necessary to prevent that from happening. According to his user page, he's amassed 297 already, and he's got at least two more currently nominated, including one which has already been approved. This is critical.

What you can do. Reject any nomination which would provide him with an additional DYK credit. These will be good nominations for high quality articles, so you won't find a valid rationale. Just make something up. If all else fails, make some minor quibble and just keep repeating it until the nomination fails because it's too stale. Eventually he'll get the picture – there's no way out! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:15, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Mandarax, do you really have nothing better to do an a night like this? I cleaned the kitchen, read funny books to Rosie (De koning bakt een huis), graded summaries of parts 1 and 2 of SGGK, ticked off a DYK nom by the Socialist Master, and I am currently studying the wildlife of Madagascar (on TV)--while you seem to have nothing better to do than trolling. Yes, I am getting close to 300, but it's in occasional bursts. I think the Wim T. Schippers series was just too much to handle. Plus I'm old and cranky--though at least I have some Hendrix tunes to listen to. But look at people like Blofeld and Rosiestep and Casliber and Gerda Arendt and Crisco 1492--these are the true giants. Do you think they even eat and sleep, or have sex? Ever? You should try to sabotage their efforts: their significant others will thank you for it.

  OK, chameleons are totally exciting. I'm back to my studies. Drmies (talk) 02:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Crisco 1492, do you ever eat and sleep, or have sex? (Gerda is Having a hot romantic experience with Bracket bot, so no problem there... Hafspajen (talk) 12:40, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm... I think I had sex once (it was awful)... and I may have had a bite to eat last week. Otherwise I've been working on RL assignments, for an international conference. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:42, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

We were affraid that something like this might occur ...Hafspajen (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

@Mandarax: Got it; I'll mention some issue with punctuation, but I'll be vague, maybe alluding to commas. Drmies, I do make time for hubby. wink. But hey, don't be retiring any time soon, or at least not until you've brought Kitchen cleaning techniques and Marsupials of Madagascar to FA status. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I just saw a ringtailed lemur "make some time" for another. So much work for...well, not even half a minute. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I thought someone was going to make some quip about, "THIS IS SPARTA!!!"......just a numbers thing... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Easy solution: you (Drmies) simply don't keep your promise. Did you know that we spoke of the retirement (threatened retirement, setting conditions for continuing, ...) of men, while we left-behind women stay and do the work, only yesterday? (with that interesting idea that it's the easy way to improve the women/men-ratio if the men leave) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

ps: the nom I started reviewing, on almost nothing and only 2 not English sources, is problematic anyway, without a ping ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

"Just make something up", Mandarax says. Dying of laughter here. Ed  06:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Please don't retire. Do you really want to be forever associated with a medicore movie, 300 (film)? Why not 400? The 400 Blows is a much better film! Edwardx (talk) 10:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Wow--thanks for the tip. Ed, can you give me a hand with Frans van der Lugt? For instance, I'm sure you can find a better place/formatting for the quote box. It'll be on the front page soon. Thanks in advance... Drmies (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Drmies, I tried putting it at the bottom and centered. Is that better? If not, just move it back up. It's hard to find a better place with an article of that size! Ed  19:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I've little or no experience with quote boxes, but I did manage to do some tiny gnome-like copyediting tweaks. Edwardx (talk) 21:14, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

You have been indefinitely blocked to prevent you from quitting once you reach 300 DYKs. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:23, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. That fixes it. Dougweller (talk) 14:31, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

... Hafspajen (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

This solution was inspired by the cop that shot and killed the guy who was threatening to jump off a building. As Eddie Murphy described it: "I'm gonna jump!" *BANG* "No, you're gonna fall." Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 17:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

That's some pretty dark humor....and I love it! ;-)--Mark Miller (talk) 03:54, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen (talk) 17:15, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Icehotel (Jukkasjärvi) http://www.scantours.com/ice_hotel2.htm -A possible a new DYK? The problem is that it is going to be difficult to expand 5x, it was too big from the beginning. But what a DYK would this be!! Anyone going for a GA with this article? (Phil's suggestion).

Arbitrary numbers. Drmies can just start a new account with 0 DYKs and start over! That's my plan in 300 edits when I become a "senior editor". I prefer nobody knows if I have any experience under my belt, so I can make bad edits indefinitely and cry "don't bit the newbies". Isn't that the formula for paid editing businesses? CorporateM (Talk) 00:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

• Y'all are just way too kind. In the meantime Gerda is kicking my butt on this Birgitta DYK, and my stupid netbook won't open the stupid photos from my stupid iPhone. Bloop, anyone? Mandarax, my guess is that 300 will come and go and I won't even notice. Did we make a fuss about Gerda hitting 500, or whatever ridiculously high number she's at? She deserves a medal, not me. Drmies (talk) 00:35, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

If anyone has time...I could use a brief overview of how the heck DYK works. I am so lost trying to figure this all out.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

a. Write article. b. Nominate article by filling out the template at WP:DYKN. c. Add that template to the list on the same page, under the appropriate date of creation. d. Do a thorough review of another DYK nomination. e. Sit back and enjoy your six hours of fame. And f. Drop me a line at any time during that process for practical questions. Good luck! Drmies (talk) 04:17, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

And make no bare url citations if you don't want somebody should remove the article from the DYK. Hafspajen (talk) 04:20, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, make it clean. And according to DYK regulations, of course, which I won't rehash here. Stuffed cats turned into helicopters make for great DYKs. Drmies (talk) 04:24, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Since you appear to be new to this, Mark, you can skip (d.) unless you're feeling particularly generous; you're exempt from the "QPQ" review requirement until you've accumulated about 5 DYK credits. And (e.) is actually eight hours now, has sometimes been twelve hours recently, and hasn't been six for quite a while.

Drmies, as for the "fuss", I happened to be bored, happened to notice that you were approaching 300 DYKs, and happen to be cursed with both a good memory for silly things that people say and a compulsion to apply them in silly ways. And yes, we should make a fuss when Gerda hits 500, which will be soon. (Warning: she does tend to blush.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 05:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Uhm...OK. But that was all Greek to me. ;-)--Mark Miller (talk) 05:59, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I had the great pleasure of spending a few minutes chatting face-to-face with Rosiestep at a Wikiwomen's Edit-a-thon at U.C. Berkeley last Saturday. She showed genuine interest in and joy at my recent meager efforts to improve this encyclopedia, and then sat down next to a Spanish translator colleague to churn out some outstanding content about 10 times faster than I can write. While we all shoot the breeze on talk pages, she writes articles. What a pleasure it is to see her work. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

That is nice of you to say, Cullen; thank you. It was such a fun day for me, and it's always nice to see you and catch up, and, of course, meeting new wikipedians is beyond awesome. How lucky for me that I wanted to translate Catalan writer biographies on Saturday, had picked out about 8 possibilities and --kismet-- sat next to an expert in that field! Can't wait for the next Bay Area edit-a-thon. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Rosiestep is rock and roll. She knows that rose is for her (not just for her, of course). Did you dance with her? Drmies (talk) 14:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Rock and roll, way to go! Muchas gracias, Drmies. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Care to share a rose? I started an article, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh no--Adrienne is dead. This is awful. Drmies (talk) 19:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Quick question on a White Album close comment

I appreciate you putting this whole rather convoluted mess to bed, and in your closing comments I saw the phrase "the nominator offered nothing at all." Is this referring to me not giving specific examples of sources using the White Album phrasing? I left those out due to trying to lay out the policy arguments turning into a very lengthy lead already, although I can see where that would be sorely missed. If so, I'll keep that in mind if I feel like re-tackling this issue, lessons learned, in six months' time. But that's definitely something for significantly down the road. Dralwik| 03:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I suppose I should have said "in terms of such evidence" or something like that. I think that the policy reasons were laid out clearly enough, but yes, evidence of a. usage and b. (better yet) discussion of terminology was missing. So my apologies if that sounded harsh, but I see you understood well enough what, for me, was a sticking point. And I feel kind of bad of kicking the can down the road, in a way, but it is, as you know, a pretty important question on a pretty important record, and I can't really close it as "move granted" saying "more evidence really is necessary, but the few examples given by one editor and my own research..." Thanks for accepting this decision in the spirit in which it was intended, and good luck with it the next time, if there is one. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Good to know we're on the same page, and I realize that move discussion was turning far too sloppy for really anything but a no consensus result. I see a couple things I mishandled, and I feel I'll be a better editor for the experience. My hope is to get the White Album -- probably my favorite album by anyone, although Funeral is close -- as a featured article, regardless of the title. Dralwik| 04:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Red Easter eggs

Dutch editor

Please try to convince the Dutch editor Freedombulls to participate at the Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard, about Leavitt Bulldog, an article he created. This is much more constructive than the edit war that was going on, but now he just blanked his page and deleted his userpage. I think he was missunderstanding this message. This is not ANI or something like that. Nobody is against him or so, I just adviced them to fill in this because they were editwarring on this article (don't ask me why, I am not taking parts here). The thread is "Talk:Leavitt Bulldog:What is the difference in the heads of the two breeds?". It looks like he left the English wiki, and I can't speak that much Dutch to go ower and pick him up, maybe he will listen to you, speaking his own language... He is from Amsterdam. Hafspajen (talk) 22:29, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Frans van der Lugt

On 11 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Frans van der Lugt, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Dutch Jesuit priest Frans van der Lugt, who had lived in Syria since 1966 and ministered to Christians and Muslims alike, was shot dead in April 2014 in Homs? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Frans van der Lugt. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 02:20, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Rose Marie Gnausch

Hello, I'm so sorry, I don't understand why you ave rejected my contribution for Rose Marie Gnausch. If nothing else, she is a recipient of the Mendela Peace Medal, but she has done so much more. On top of all the references I have attached to the article, there are two full length television interviews although I do not know how to add them. As an artist, she has been acclaimed by art critics as notable as Lori Waxmann and Arnau Puig. As the creator of Elephants for Peace, she has been acclaimed by Janusz Maszalek, Jurgen Roeter, and many others. Could you please suggest what else I can add about her? Kind regards, Natacha Cohen --RomaNatacha (talk) 13:50, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Ms. Cohen, such statements need to be verified by references to reliable sources--that's first, and second is editing the draft so that it reads neutrally. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:14, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Joe Job / ANI

Hiya. I've opened a thread about the User:Randy from Boise Joe Jobber at ANI and mentioned your name. Just a heads up. best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• I saw--thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

A Request Edit

I was wondering if I could persuade you to chip-in on this Request Edit I made on the DARE page about two months ago. The current article has a section regarding a report by RTI International that found that DARE was ineffective, but it just says they found it would "benefit from a revised curriculum" and the statement is unsourced. I've proposed to replace the first paragraph of this section with the content below. My COI is with the publishers of the report, a non-profit contract research organization, RTI (I'm not really sure if I have a COI or not in this case in actuality). CorporateM (Talk) 17:39, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Corp, sorry I haven't gotten to this yet. I will when my brain clears up. Drmies (talk) 00:37, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Saint Birgitta's chapel

On 11 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Saint Birgitta's chapel, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Saint Birgitta's chapel (pictured), on the Swedish island Öland, was likely a 13th-century pilgrimage church dedicated to the Irish Brigit of Kildare? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Saint Birgitta's chapel. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

slakr 17:49, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

You tit

Seriously? Keep, are you fucking dense? Going back to AFD, sorry, but shit man, how wrong can a man be?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkness Shines (talk • contribs) 21:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

42?

By the way, DS, you seem to have made quite a few typos in that short message. Also, who is Denise anyway, and isn't that a rather personal question for a public talkpage? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• DS, I will take your question as rhetorical. I am glad, however, that you mentioned "tit" which, I am sure, is a reference to the lovely titmice that once adorned my user page. Drmies (talk) 21:49, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, everyone knows that you love titmeeces to pieces. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

The Superman question: do you deport Superman for being illegal?

I confess I'm CensoredScribe evading my block, I had some loose ends to tie up concerning social issues and modern history. I could have just stayed silent; however using a sock puppet I would not be able to elaborate on my past areas of focus; bio remediation and lives of the necromancers. I've finished saying everything I had to say outside of those areas so this sock puppet is no longer of any use and I feel it best just to use these additions to demonstrate a much needed point on Misplaced Pages policies. By the book all these additions must be deleted because they are all vandalism from a blocked user and nothing more; however removing that information looks really bad when it is sourced correctly and on important topics like slavery in India. I suppose alternate sources could be used saying effectively the same thing; but saying a source is bad because of the user is also a step backwards for Misplaced Pages. Thanks for the advice on that film review website; I was wondering how alleged personal interviews were handled as sources and when copyright actually came into effect for words. I would have thought one of the passages from Relics of the Buddha or one of those books on the history of Superhero's would be under copyright but I guess not. Goodbye; at least for 6 months likely for ever; and thank you for teaching me. I truly appreciate having been allowed to teach others what I did. Cassandra Truth (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hey Cassandra, I figured as much. Sorry, but you kind of stick out in many ways. I am not in the habit of automatically reverting edits by self-confessed socks, unless they're clear vandalism or assholism, so don't worry. As for your question, I wouldn't deport Superman since he's a fictional character, and I wouldn't want to be enforcing selective and crooked US immigration legislation anyway (it's pay to play, for instance). Hey, maybe I should go ahead and block you, but I'm not sure if I'm actually sworn to do that, and at any rate my intern e t conne ... ction ... seems to be... *crackle* Drmies (talk) 14:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

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Unban

Hi,

First of all, I'd like to apologize for any wrongdoing that led to my ban. Please understand that I'm only trying to correct & add information, and it was not my intention to spam any page. Also, I recently created a user page by the name of Bowser2500. I'd like to switch to that account because my current username is being used by other people on other sites, but after logging on to the Bowser2500 account, I was banned for an extra day on my RidiQLus account and my Bowser2500 account has been banned indefinitely as well. How can I switch over to that user page?--RidiQLus (talk) 02:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

• Just to make things clear: you were blocked, not banned. I see now that you are no longer blocked and you have not repeated that edit: good. I hope that you finally understand the problem with that and some other edits--you weren't blocked for spamming, but for disruption, in this case the unexplained and unwarranted removal of information and valid references, and being incommunicado was part of it.

  As for the name change, I am not an expert on it, but I'll ping Writ Keeper, who is--WK, basically the editor wants to take the sock name. Can we do this? Drmies (talk) 16:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Yup, we can. It's like what we did for Hafspajen when he was still Warrington. Basically, the process would be for Ridiqlus to post a WP:CHUU request, saying that they want to move to the new username and that they own both accounts; they'll need to log into the target username and make an edit to confirm that they own it (I guess that'll have to be on their talk page, if they're blocked). Then the target account will get renamed to Bowser2500(usurped), and they can get renamed to the newly-vacated Bowser2500. I'm not really around yet, but if y'all wanna wait until I am, I can do it and file the request pro forma (though even then I'll still need the confirming edits), but you should be able to just file it and any 'crat can handle it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:55, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your actions

Referring to . I've read that personal attacks are usually removed by administrator or even involved user. Have you done that? I couldn't because I am not so sure about that policy. Best regards D4iNa4 (talk) 14:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

• Well, as far as I'm concerned you can remove/redact, whether it's on an AfD or a user talk page, even theirs. I just removed one from an AfD. Typically, though, admins are more likely to remove BLP violations than personal attacks (we don't really count as living people, haha). but if someone calls me an "asshole" or a "tit" somewhere I tend not to worry about it--it usually reflects more poorly on them than on me, I like to think. If you have any specific ones, let me know, and keep me posted on the future career of this editor, since they will run into an indefinite block if they keep it up. Drmies (talk) 14:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

You ought to notify him of the discretionary sanctions as well. BTW, I disagreed with your keeps on two of the AFDs, so have initiated merger proposals, these are being reverted, any advice? Darkness Shines (talk) 23:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, DS, what can I say. "I usually kiss before I get fucked" is one thing that comes to mind. Good luck with it. Drmies (talk) 23:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Have a Red Oak, brewed up the road, unpasteurized and full of wholesome goodness. I figured you needed one about now. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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3. Brunner, Jim (October 3, 1996). "How DARE they?". Associated Press. Retrieved March 6, 2014.