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Mjroots is suffering from physical health issues. This may affect his ability to work on Misplaced Pages. Consequently, he may not be able to respond to talk-page messages or e-mails in a timely manner. Your patience is greatly appreciated.

Mjroots en This user is a native speaker of the English language. nl-2 Deze gebruiker heeft een middelmatige kennis van het Nederlands. fr-1 Cet utilisateur peut contribuer avec un niveau élémentaire de français. Beware! This user's talk page is patrolled by talk page stalkers. In the interest of the security of Misplaced Pages, should this account be inactive for 3 months, I request that administrative privileges be removed without prejudice to their restoration at my request. Mjroots (talk) 12:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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DYK & ITN

This user has written or expanded 233 articles featured in the Did You Know section on the Main Page.

My DYKs are on this sub-page and my ITNs are on this sub-page. Earlier discussions are archived here

		The 25 DYK Medal
		For achieving your 25th Did You Know? I hereby award you this big fat medal. Well done. Hersfold 23:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

		The 50 DYK Medal
		Trams, mills, railways ... I think Isambard would have been proud of your approach particulary the French ideas, but he would have barred our veteran editor from further progression for supporting a railway that was merely a metre. But he's not here! So more seriously, thank you on behalf of the wiki. (Let me tell you though that the 100 one s a really cool yellowy gold colour). Good luck with the GA and cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

		The 100 DYK Medal
		As I told you at 50 ... the 100 DYK medal is a really cool shade of yellow. I hope you are not disappointed, as the wiki is not regretful at all of your efforts. Well done. The wiki gets better due to your contributions and its a pleasure to thank you again on behalf of the wiki. See you at 200? Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

		The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		The D.Y.K. Project thanks you for your tireless contributions. The Interior (Talk) 17:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for PS Castalia

Thank you for thanking me. I actually noticed only one of the typos, but I use Firefox and it apparently spellchecks everything by default. When I went into edit mode, not only was the error I noticed underlined with a wavy line, so were other things. I had to sort out the genuine mistakes from a lot of "false positives"; I hope I didn't change anything that was right.

You are obviously a very active contributor to Misplaced Pages. I am mostly a consumer -- I benefit from the work you and others like you do. Thank you very much.

I have no idea whether this is the right place for this comment. You replied to my talk page and this is your talk page, so I hope it is. If not, you will move it. Gms3591 (talk) 07:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Want to expand Peace in Africa for a DYK?

Hi Mjroots, you and Haus seem to have good access to merchant marine sources. Want to expand Peace in Africa (ship) for DYK? Djembayz (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Any additions to Malahat (schooner) at DYK?

Hi again! I've put in a self nom for Malahat (schooner) at DYK. Perhaps you can spruce it up a bit. Djembayz (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 1912 Brooklands Flanders Monoplane crash

Hello! Your submission of 1912 Brooklands Flanders Monoplane crash at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Chris857 (talk) 02:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Bump. Chris857 (talk) 03:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Admin

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Track gauge editor: sock?

Hi, do you thing that HTML2011 (talk · contribs) who started editing very recently, has concentrated on two areas (HTML and rail gauges) and who has already started twelve RMs, is a sock of TrackConversion (talk · contribs)? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Some disruptive editing

Hey, mj, I was hoping you might be able to take a look at the 2012 Formula One season and Talk:2012 Formula One season pages. A user, Colinmotox11 has been making some edits that have been disruptive. I posted a message on his Talk page that I think is a fair summary of the events of the past 24 hours. Basically, he has been making unsubstantiated edits to the page, ignoring preliminary consensus on the issue, undoing any subsequent reversions, using contradictory arguments to justify it and accusing members who disagree with him of violating WP:OWN. While his intentions are good - he only wants to make the page accurate - his methods and his attitude are completely unnecessary. I don't know if there is anything you or the other administrators can do, but I don't think we've heard the last of him on this matter. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, mj. I knew I could count on you. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, mj, sorry to bother you again, but can you please take a look at Colinmotox11 again? He's trying to force through changes to the 2012 Formula One season by claiming he has got consensus for them, but reading over the arguments posted on the talk page, it's clear that consensus is against him: four people support his changes, and seven do not. Can you please do something about this, because he's dangerously close to violating the three-edit rule.

Furthermore, I feel that his edits set a dangerous precedent. His footnotes in the driver table essentially create a scenario where the table says one thing, and then he gets out of it by saying something else entirely at the bottom of the table, explaining why content should not be included in the article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Canadian Parliamentary Motion on Alexander Graham Bell

Was there a consensus for this move? I saw nothing but "oppose" but move went through anyway? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC).

See Canadian Parliamentary Motion 37/1-1205

Don't know what happened here, but it appears to be a "midnight" move when no one was watching. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 06:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC).

Move protection

I'm uninvolved with whatever quarrel is going on over the article currently at Action of 25 January 2012, but the absurdity of this title has come up in at least two discrete ITN discussions. Would you mind at least giving it some vaguely identifiable name until those warring can work out their differences? I know that's going against protocol, but in this situation anything other than the status quo seems like a clear common sense exception.   — C M B J   08:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the precedent you're referring to, but I cannot personally see using "action" as a static term ("action {date}") as opposed to {action} as a descriptive variable ("{action} {date}") for any article like this. But even if that's true, it's still an affront to common sense and in direct opposition to WP:NCE, which recommends that articles such as this follow the "{when} {where} {what}" variable format. Additionally, the current title goes against WP:STRONGNAT, which prescribes "{month} {day}, {year}" for American topics. I'm aware that it's generally bad mojo for an intervening administrator to take a position in this kind of setting, but again I think we're dealing with an IAR situation.   — C M B J   08:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm not saying that you've erred in trying to prevent an edit war -- I'm simply reaffirming the views of other contributors that the current name is demonstrably baseless and is interfering with a time-sensitive process (ITN), one that WP:RM wasn't ever designed to accommodate. There is no reason why an interim name—any sane name—cannot be used until those users work out their differences. As a side note, the fact that something this blatantly wrong is even a point of contention at or beyond WP:AN astonishes me. The situation at hand is nothing less than bedlamitic; it's the functional equivalent of someone creating an article named Weather Event January 24 and then successfully vetoing a rename to Cyclone Funso, or any alternative, such as Intense Tropical Cyclone Funso, or Tropical Cyclone Funso, or Cyclone Funso (2012), for the same invalid reasons and in spite of the same unequivocal guideline and during the same type of 5-day nomination debate. It's so disruptive that it's now the subject of broader debate in a discussion about the future of ITN.   — C M B J   13:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Favor

Could you change the protection level on Phil Mickelson? An administrator put it in full lockdown. I contacted that administrator but he hasn't replied. It just needs semi protection from IPs....William 16:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I see that Nick has this in hand. Will leave it to him to action. Mjroots (talk) 16:54, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Root and Branch

Hello, The article Root and Branch was moved by me to Root and Branch legislation. As another editor objected to this I wanted to move it again to Root and Branch Petition but this was not permitted. If you agree perhaps you could do what is necessary to move it.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done Mjroots (talk) 19:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Davey2010

I am unhappy because this user has recently been consistently reverting my edits - the latest of which on the Arriva North West page was seen as "nonconstructive" and reverted - all I simply did was update the fleet section. Also this user has been removing vehicle types from various articles (Bus Vannin, Stagecoach Merseyside and Arriva North West) - they have been there for a long time so I don't see how a list of vehicle types isn't needed. I also don't see why he is reverting all of my edits JamesSteamPacket (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I edited the article and have added the relevant references. I hope that this resolves the matter. Thanks - JamesSteamPacket (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi @JamesSteamPacket:,

I simply revert those unsourced & perhaps unneeded additions, -

I can assure you I've not just reverted you but can see it perhaps looks like I have,

You've done some great editing! :)

Keep up the great work! :)

Regards, →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 00:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Request Page Unprotect

I've tried hammering out something that YSSYguy and Ahunt will agree to in the Talk:PSA Airlines page. I've added things they brought up and even picked up a couple more citations. I guess I'd like to have the page unprotected so I can add the final iteration at the bottom of the subject on the talk page to the article. Thanks --50.128.155.168 (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Need this page section semi-protected....again. If you could, please return Controversial Pay Caps section to this rendition . YSSYguy and Ahunt refuse to WP:HEAR that there is no "Consensus". They do not WP:OWN this page. They need to come to the Talk page and suggest a version of the Controversial Pay Caps section. They argue that there is a "consensus" that there shouldn't be a section at all. You can see by the numerous reverts and user comments (Both registered and IP) that there should indeed be a section like this, there is no "consensus" to blank this section. From the PSA Airlines: Revision history page and the Talk:PSA Airlines page there are multiple opinions on the status and text of the section. I'd had the section in question up on the Talk page for over a week. Nothing was added, or protested. They are now exploiting the fact that I asked you to un-protect the page, to start their WP:BLANKING all over again. --50.128.155.168 (talk) 02:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Ban Request

Dear Mjroots, I hereby request a ban on User:Gįs Contismalter for the following reasons:

• Personal attacks.
• Constant edit-warring, trolling and vandalism of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

Please take this matter into consideration. Thank you. --Mark Chung (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the help. Mark Chung (talk) 21:49, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Aviation

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Higher hours claim

re this edit of yours, I have removed it as I think "at least" covers it. I don't know what that means but I'm not sure we need to have two conflicting airline sources in any event. Regards, -- Ohc  09:00, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Air France Latécoère 631 crash

Can you explain to me and others why you said the crash is a ditching? The article says the cause if unknown. It also says only garbled transmissions were heard from the aircraft.13:06, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Nice job on the article. I linked it to the existing incident in the 50+ fatality list. Thanks-Godot13 (talk) 07:36, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of IrAero Flight 103 for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article IrAero Flight 103 is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Petebutt (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC) Hi MJ, I have nominated this article for deletion as I cannot see any notability in the subject, can you enlighten me if there is something I missed? Thanks--Petebutt (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Removal of air france incident

Hello, I am rather new to Misplaced Pages editing and as a result have NO CLUE about how to post things or why you'd remove my edit or anything like that. I listed this event for several reasons, 1 because it happened in my home town, 2 because I class it as an INCIDENT. I gave a link for a reference although I do not have a clue how to actually add it in the sources bit I don't think you have any right to police Misplaced Pages.. It took me ages of studying the edit box to even figure out what kinds of things like / and [ etc to use to create the post... Also it is likely to change air france's regulations on flying whilst pregnant so... leave me a note on my page if you want or don't I won't lose any sleep.. Ianpatton5 (talk) 04:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Haughey Air AgustaWestland AW139 crash

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Nomination of Haughey Air AgustaWestland AW139 crash for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Haughey Air AgustaWestland AW139 crash is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Haughey Air AgustaWestland AW139 crash until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. LGA _talk 07:46, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Geotags, Grid refs etc,

Geo Links and Geograph

There are problems with your suggestion- which is the reason I haven't done it. There is a discussion forum Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates that is discussing the whole thing. The crux is that many people are unhappy if the link goes to one site, no matter how useful, and believes that the link should only go to GeoHack, where the reader can choose the map they want. There are a lot of unhappy people there. I have a problem with the way we are doing the conversion. It looks great, but if we edit either gridref or the location then the other doesn't change. In looking for a solution, I have been looking at the maths and a lot doesn't add up, this coupled with the volatility of forum, I have been hanging back. ClemRutter (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, and thanks for the contact. To me this looks good, but (and it is a big but) I'm afraid the issue appears more complex and contentious than I had first anticipated. I'm also not particularly "clued-up" about which system is good and which is bad, which seems to be part of an ongoing debate. All I know is that there should be a standard system, and these should be included as part of the text for settlements in the UK. Have you taken this to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates? -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox geotags- looks as it will take some time. Its on my list! ClemRutter (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Checking inline geotags

• Now the accuracy of OStoWiki has been corrected (+/- 2m) all previous references may need tweaking.
• The GeoHack tool now has a new interface and at the bottom of the GB section, under the dangerously inaccurate grid reference is a fantastic tool called Map of all Coordinates in article.
• I tried it on the Loose stream, and because of it I I'm going to make another tweak to OStoWiki.

ClemRutter (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It is perfectly safe to use: the next tweak will be an enhancementClemRutter (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Oscoor

Thanks for the reminder. Although I use OS maps within multimap to find things, multimap gives DMS output, and the numbering of the OS gridlines in the display tends to be hidden; so I tend to think I'm not ever going to use {{oscoor}}. However your intervention did cause me to go back and read the national grid system article, so as to understand the resolution of various lengths of OS coordinate. As I would not have done this without your intervention; thanks! --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Problem with gbmapping and oscoor templates

Hi, There seems to be a small inaccuracy in the translation of OSGB coords to WGS84. I've mentioned it here and here but haven't found anyone who might be able to fix it. Do you know where it would be best to raise it, please?--Cavrdg (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Grid refs

I did not like having to display grid refs without spaces. At long last I have got round to asking someone and doing this very simple edit. The php that it calls was already prepared to receive spaces. That means you could do this edit to other articles that call oscoor (which is now a redirect). But certainly, I suggest using {{gbmappingsmall}} in any future case. — ] (talk · contribs) 18:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I have now implemented oscoor elimination as a tool - see Template talk:oscoor. — ] (talk · contribs) 19:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Geograph

Moved from my user page
Yes indeed! A terrific place for browsing old memories and old haunts as well! Thanks for the reminder. Palmeira (talk) 17:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, the FAQ says CC-BY-SA-2.0 but I think that should still usable. We just have to maintain attribution. LeadSongDog come howl! 03:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Mills

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Windmill in War Horse film

Hello Mjroots. I see you are a windmill expert. I have done some work on the locations for War Horse (film), and wonder if you could identify the windmill (?post mill) in the trailer? It appears at 1:29 trailer on YouTube. It's definitely in the UK as all location filming was done there; more than that I know not. I'm assuming it's not a built set as it would surely be cheaper to film at an existing one rather than build one. I know I'd have to find a RS to back up any identification information before putting it into the article, but if you can identify it, it might help me narrow down my search for suitable articles! Thanks Stronach (talk) 14:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh I had assumed not because Speilberg had said that the only CGI in the film was in a trench warfare scene with a horse, for its safety. Stronach (talk) 15:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Pretty sure it's CGI; the spars for the sails don't line up properly, but are staggered, and the postmill is too close to the trees. It's also rotating a bit quick considering the state of the sails, and the body of the mill isn't weatherboarded, the surrounding ground doesn't have a circular track where the miller would walk as he rotated the mill. The obturation of the field guns is woefully defective (note the explosion of smoke beneath each gun as it fires). The main street in the cardboard version of Lower Slaughter is too narrow. The MG08s are firing too slowly- the belt in the foreground doesn't seem to move up into the gun. The stahlhelms aren't camouflaged. Ning-ning (talk) 16:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Flicked through a copy of "War Horse, the making of the motion picture" yesterday and it's clear from the photographs that it is "real", in the sense of being a full-sized 3-dimensional physical object, albeit a set for the film, the "tail" ladder runs up to a door in the side of the mill. The text says it was built on the Stratfield Saye estate. Ghughesarch (talk) 15:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Translation for stichting?

What would be the best translation for Stichting De Fryske Mole? Most dictionaries say foundation, however in most Frisian windmill-related articles here it is translated as Frisian Mills Society. Trust would not be correct but I think is the British analogue to the Dutch stichting. My suggestion would be Frisian Mills Foundation. Reboelje (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Dead link in article 'List of windmills in Loire-Atlantique'

Hi. I tried to fix the dead links in 'List of windmills in Loire-Atlantique', but there was one that I couldn't fix. I marked it with {{Dead link}}. Can you help fix the last dead link?

Dead: http://www.moulins-a-vent.net/Moulins/guerande_dezeux

• You added this in July 2008.
• I tried to load this link on 23 March, 25 March, 27 March and today, but it never worked.
• I looked in The Wayback Machine and WebCite but I couldn't find a suitable replacement.

Please take a look at that article and fix what you can. Thank you!

PS- you can opt-out of these notifications by adding {{Bots |deny=BlevintronBot}} to your user page or user talk page. BlevintronBot (talk) 08:17, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed Mjroots (talk) 08:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: Montefiore Windmill

Maybe I will ask Dijkstra to upload a picture to commons, once he is back home and has had a chance to cool down (his employee calls the working conditions inhuman because of the the heat :D ). I'm also hoping for someone to write an article in the windmill literature so we can use that as source and clean up the probably short lived refs to local newspapers etc. Reboelje (talk) 19:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Goliath

Hi Mjroots, heb jij tijd/zin om een vertaling danwel nieuw artikel te maken over nl:Goliath (molen), dit omdat een serie over de molen heeft gewonnen in de documentaire-prijs van Wiki Loves Monuments, en de foto van de molen zelf ook in de top 10 van beste foto's staat? Akoopal (talk) 21:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Het Pink

Hi Mjroots, nog een vertaalverzoekje, ik wil op mijn molen een QR-pedia code gaan zetten, daarvoor zou het erg helpen een engels artikel te hebben over nl:Het Pink. Is dat iets waar jij tijd voor hebt? Zo niet laat het ook weten natuurlijk. Akoopal (talk) 13:21, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Windmill Engines

You've said Oil engines in the infobox for some of these, but Misplaced Pages has a number of these, It would be appreciated if you could disambing this. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:07, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk of the devil and. he will hear about it

Nice to hear from you mjroots. I have not been on WP much these last couple of years. I imagine you know Peter Horn anyway, he does a lot of railway stuff, but as you see I was just putting in a good word for you.

Some of the convert stuff was going to move to Wikimedia into the parsing engine, but I have no idea what became of that. The little I do on Misplaced Pages is mostly gnoming, nowadays.

I was thinking of you just today as it happens, before even looking at your user page etc, about the post mill at West Wratting owned by David and Gabrielle. I was just passing through the hills here around Mende, Hungary and they are similar to the hills around there and thought, I told mjroots David owned that post mill but couldn't remember his wife's name. It's been in her family four generations and on the centenery of ownership we looked around it. Most of the machinery is repairable but the mill is not in working order, the building is OK. I imagine if it were working, the top of the sail would be the highest point in Cambridgeshire. (OS is 120m above sea level; Gog Magogs are at 130m I think). Si Trew (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

It would almost certainly be the highest windmill in Cambridgeshire even without the sail, but that't not very notable, especially if it doesn't work. (Of course, most windmills in Cambs. were for drainage.) But I can certainly get more info from David and Gabbie if you want to add it to your list. Si Trew (talk) 22:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Medway watermills/Diagram listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Medway watermills/Diagram. Since you had some involvement with the Medway watermills/Diagram redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). John Vandenberg 14:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

People

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Hugh Kennard

Nice expansion. You should add yourself to the DYK nomination and let someone else review it—you deserve credit, not least since it was your idea to write an article on the bloke in the first place. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Buckle

Could you take a look at this Commons conversation between myself and a Commons admin and let me know what to do with this image? My choices, I think, at this moment are leave licensed as is, switch (slightly) to {{PD-USGov}} or switch to {{PD-US}}. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 14:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Poor Man's talkback. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 14:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Another talk back, same page and section. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 15:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

• Perhaps you can help. User:Anythingyouwant has removed this image from the Frank Buckles page and added this image from commons. Same image, just different name....and different licensing. Mine as what we discussed and his has {{PD-USGov}}. Since he has been an insane help on the article, I don't want to cause any trouble, but I don't feel I am explaining this as best as I can that we can't use the image he has uploaded. To make matters worse, User:Canadian Paul seems to disagree that the image I uploaded is fair-use and it should be {{PD-US}} (see here). I don't know what to do. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 07:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Mjroots, please don't mess with the image at commons quite yet. It's clearly PD and belongs there. Neutralhomer and I have been discussing this at my talk page, so please check out the discussion there.Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Still waiting on the decision about the image over on Commons, going slow. Canadian Paul is going to wait until after the funeral service today (Tuesday) at 4pm EDT before re-reviewing the article, so it remains on hold for 7 days. I have added a couple blurbs about flags being lowered in a couple more states (sadly only 9 states have done so) and a candlelight vigil near his hometown, but other than that, it remains the same. So, feel free to do some searchin' and add some stuff if it isn't already there. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 07:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Searle

Hello! Your submission of Frank Searle (businessman) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mgrē@sŏn 03:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Hawkins

Please note this. Followed immediately by this on Twitter. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

You might like to note recent IP edits to Talk:Jim Hawkins. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Felipe Camiroaga

As Camiroaga isn't legally dead, his body hasn't been found and at the moment is only "disappeared", I urge you to not mark his article as a recent death, nor to call him "dead". You are violating the biographies of living people policy by doing that, and additionally, you could be sued if Camiroaga turns out to be alive. None of the bodies have been identified yet, take that into account too.  Diego  talk  19:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know it is impossible that he survived the accident; however, we can't say he died until it's confirmed, for the sake of ethics! :P  Diego  talk  20:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Searle's children

Hi Mjroots. Why do you say this is standard info for inclusion? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 10:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

So there is a parameter for it. If the children were in any way notable. I'll remove them again. Eddaido (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind in the least that the infobox shows he had four kids - shows he was (apparently) biologically technically fertile though I'm blessed if I can see why it matters to a reader. I thought the repeat of his parents' names in the infobox was quite surplus to requirements but as its your wish . . .

At some point someone said the article was rather messy and I agree. cheers, Eddaido (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

50th birthday

FYI: Talk:Jim Hawkins (radio presenter)#50th Birthday. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Article about Radha Thomas

I am currently working on the Wiki page for Ms Radha Thomas. She is an Indian jazz singer and songwriter. In fact, she is known as a diva in the Indian jazz scene. She previously was with the band Human Bondage and has sung and performed globally. The article is still under development. I haven't completed it or submitted it for review yet. You can have a look at it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Radha_Thomas. I will be requesting your help and advice (as usual) in making it conform to all Wiki standards. If you do a Google Search for Radha (https://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Radha+Thomas&oq=Radha+Thomas&gs_l=hp.3..0l2j0i30l2.1190.3159.0.3385.12.12.0.0.0.0.282.1949.0j11j1.12.0...0.0...1c.dYmnNUlMsQM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f6ee012440c72a74&biw=1024&bih=509) you will find dozens of articles and links to her work. As of now, the article is still under development and I will come bug you for help soon! Varunr (talk) 06:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Hope you are feeling better. I think I have completed the article and am contemplating it to move it to the AFC space. Before that, I'd really appreciate if you could have a look and give me some inputs, suggestions and advice and hopefully a green signal :-). Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Radha_Thomas Varunr (talk) 08:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Suggest you take a look at St Jude storm.Martin451 22:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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If/when they get enough information, we'll consider splitting them then. But for now, it's rather silly to have such stubby sections. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Mid Suffolk Light Railway template

--Redrose64 (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your latest expansion of this template, do we really need every level crossing here? Their presence dominates the diagram and it's hard to see where the stations are. Britmax (talk) 17:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Dagenham Dock railway station

Hi, can you alter the template so it features Template:Location map Barking and Dagenham in the infoboxes? Cheers. I intend to gradually create all of the London borough templates.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) All you need do is ensure that the infobox in the article has |map_type=Barking and Dagenham --Redrose64 (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

2011 Flores rail crash

Have now created a stub article at 2011 Flores rail crash. Do you want to give it a look over and see if I've got it right (and perhaps add the appropriate Stub template?). Never done one of these before! Have reverted the deletion at Template:2011 railway accidents, as the article is now live. Thanks for the head-up! Skinsmoke (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That would be {{SouthAm-rail-transport-stub}} then. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks fine for a start. Hopefully other sources are available to expand the article with. Mjroots (talk) 20:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Ta for the stub head-up: now added. Will check out the BBC article later. Skinsmoke (talk) 21:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

The Cape gauge move the page thing gets muddier by each post - it is clear the lead para/intro to the article as it stands is insufficiently detailed to offer the insights offered on the talk page since I put the move suggestion up, oh dear SatuSuro 08:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Rail Injuries

Could you tell me if I have made a mess of the number of injuries referenced in Sloterdijk? Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 18:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

OVV investigation - can you help translate?

The OVV have announced their lines of enquiries. I was wondering if you could translate Dutch, literally. I am trying to add to the Sloterdijk article using Google's machine translation. Whilst most of it is easy to interpret, I seem to be having trouble with this paragraph, particularly the fourth sentence. The rest of it is relatively okay.

"The measures to avoid collisions, start with the planning of the timetable, according to the AAM. A red signal, where the sprinter would be driven through it, is only one of the last 'expedients'. Then there are the signalman and the driver who can intervene. The OVV asks why the train by the driver or the security system is still put. Another question is whether the signal is well visible for the operator."

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.dagboekspoorwegen.nl/blog/&ei=fErHT6XRLsPMhAeH_eClCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CG4Q7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwesterpark%2Brail%2Bcrash%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26tbs%3Dqdr:w%26prmd%3Dimvns.

Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 11:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The original reads De maatregelen om botsingen te voorkomen, beginnen al bij de planning van de dienstregeling, aldus de OVV. Een rood sein, waar de betrokken sprinter doorheen zou zijn gereden, is pas een van de laatste ‘redmiddelen’. Daarna zijn er nog de treindienstleider en de machinist die kunnen ingrijpen. De OVV stelt de vraag waarom de trein niet door de machinist of het beveiligingssysteem is stilgezet. Een andere vraag is of het sein wel goed zichtbaar was voor de machinist.

I would say that the word "stilgezet", translated by Google to "still put", actually means "made quiet", or "silenced". The English equivalent for this sentence could be along the lines of "The RAIB asked why the train driver cancelled the AWS ". --Redrose64 (talk) 11:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Here is what I've put in the article. Would you say it is correct or close? Simply south...... coming and going for just 6 years 12:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

(ec) The verb in question is "zetten" (to put or to place). The ge- prefix indicates a past participle, and "stil" is from the verb "stillen" (to quieten or to silence). Google translate does give a range of options. Type in Stilgezet and it translates as Still put, but if you hover the pointer over still and left click, it comes up with other options of quietly, quiet, silence and stop. Thus in this case, stilgezet would translate as cancel(led). Will take a good look later. Mjroots (talk) 12:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protection.

About your offer to semi-protect the Merseyrail and Tyne and Wear Metro articles. Yes I think that would be a good idea, the IP editor is getting very disruptive, and replacing referenced material that he doesn't agree with. The IP in question seems to believe that this American website, which doesn't even make any mention of the T&WM is an adequate reference for his changes. I left a note on the UK railways talk page but I thought I'd leave one here as well. G-13114 (talk) 15:20, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Done see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject UK Railways#The difference between commuter rail and metro\rapid transit. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Drat and moments before I just added it to RPP. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 18:07, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Arbroath and Montrose Railway

I really appreciate your involvement in this article. Your miles and chains are so much more appropriate than my decimal miles and, more importantly, thank you for the much improved map. I was rather proud of myself to have managed a single line with dots and branches! Our paths crossed years ago, that time at sea, on TS Leda where you again helped with a DYK. Many thanks again. Thincat (talk) 17:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem, nice to see some good come out of an AFD. Mjroots (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

SE&CR Diagram 960 PMV

I moved SE&CR Diagram 960 PMV from the article incubator into the main space. Regards, Illia Connell (talk) 06:30, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

RE: 2014 Chemins de Fer de Provence derailment

Fine, go ahead.

ps- I miss that orange bar too...barely read messages now(Lihaas (talk) 07:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)).

Trains in Trouble

Hi, I have a complete set (8 vols) but it took me some time to find this in vol. 4. Where a book has no page numbers, it's a good idea to give some other information, like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I've also got all 8. Doing that is going to take absolutely ages. As the pages aren't numbered and the books are not that big, I think my method should suffice. Mjroots (talk) 19:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Besides which, your method requires a separate ref for each incident! Mjroots (talk) 19:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: - just discovered Vol 7. is numbered, and a numbered index is provided for Vols 1-6 in Vol 8. I could convert the book refs to sfn format in the medium term. What do you think? Mjroots (talk) 06:52, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I think that we should give the page numbers where available - and for vols. 1-6, we can get the page numbers from that index. Here are the templates that I prepared some years ago:

{{cite book |last=Trevena |first=Arthur |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 1 |year=1982 |origyear=1980 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Redruth |isbn=0-906899-01-X |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Trevena|1982|p=}}
{{cite book |last=Trevena |first=Arthur |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 2 |year=1981 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Redruth |isbn=0-906899-03-6 |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Trevena|1981|p=}}
{{cite book |last=Hoole |first=Ken |authorlink=Ken Hoole |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 3 |year=1982 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Redruth |isbn=0-906899-05-2 |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Hoole|1982|p=}}
{{cite book |last=Hoole |first=Ken |authorlink=Ken Hoole |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 4 |year=1983 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Truro |isbn=0-906899-07-9 |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Hoole|1983|p=}}
{{cite book |last=Earnshaw |first=Alan |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 5 |year=1989 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Penryn |isbn=0-906899-35-4 |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Earnshaw|1989|p=}}
{{cite book |last=Earnshaw |first=Alan |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 6 |year=1990 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Penryn |isbn=0-906899-37-0 |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Earnshaw|1990|p=}}
{{cite book |last=Earnshaw |first=Alan |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 7 |year=1991 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Penryn |isbn=0-906899-50-8 |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Earnshaw|1991|p=}}
{{cite book |last=Earnshaw |first=Alan |title=Trains in Trouble: Vol. 8 |year=1993 |publisher=Atlantic Books |location=Penryn |isbn=0-906899-52-4 |page= |ref=harv }}{{sfn|Earnshaw|1993|p=}}

Notice that my vol. 1 has |year=1982 |origyear=1980 because it's not original. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:05, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

All eight volumes now used and converted to sfn style. Mjroots (talk) 20:02, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Please see Talk:West Midland Railway#Accidents and incidents. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:47, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Not a WD Austerity

Hi, re this edit: LMS 8247 was a LMS Stanier Class 8F, not a WD Austerity 2-8-0. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Trevena states that it was WD321, on loan to the LMS as 8247. Could 8247 be a typo? Mjroots (talk) 19:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, the thing is, the WD had several classes of loco. Nos. 300-449, 500-524, 540-551/3/5-71 and 623 were built to the LMS 8F design, and several of them were loaned to various British railways before being needed overseas - those loaned to the LMS were given LMS numbers in the 8226-8300 block, following on from the LMS-owned locos which were 8000-8225. WD No. 321 was built August 1940; loaned to the LMS between November 1940 and July 1941 during which period it was numbered 8247; it was sent to Persia September 1941; and eventually returned to the UK, becoming BR 48257 in September 1949. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'll bow to your superior knowledge. I'm not an expert here by any means. If you feel that the entry should be copied over to the LMS article, please do so. Trevena does seem to have made some errors. I've corrected them where I know they exist (60066 in 1947? I don't think so). Mjroots (talk) 20:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Loco #77195, WD or LMS? Mjroots (talk) 10:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

All the locos in WD stock, whatever their origin, had their numbers increased by 70000 from 5 September 1944, so 77195 was formerly 7195. This was new in September 1943, one of a batch of WD Austerity 2-8-0 numbered 7150-7299 built by North British Locomotive Company (Hyde Park Works), and unusually fitted with armour plating over the boiler. It was originally used on the Melbourne Military Railway in Derbyshire, then sent to the Longmoor Military Railway. Later, the armour plating was removed, and it was sent to Belgium and based at Muysen. Renumbering to 77195 will have taken place at Longmoor. It was returned to the UK after the war, and loaned to the LNER from April 1947. It retained the number 77195 until purchased by British Railways in December 1948, when it became 90172. It was withdrawn in June 1967. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Bourne End

Either this accident wasn't on the LMS, or it wasn't at Bourne End which being on a GWR branch line didn't get many express trains, and none from the LMS. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Mea culpa - now fixed. Was the Herts one. Mjroots (talk) 20:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Locomotive Boiler Explosions

For Hewison Locomotive Boiler Explosions it's ISBN 0 7153 8305 1. On the copyright page, the last digit is missing, but on the back cover, it's present (and correct) between the blurb and the "Other David Charles Books" advert. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Not sure where you got the idea that ex-S&D no. 18 Shildon exploded at Sough, Yorkshire. Hewison doesn't say Yorkshire at all; he says "a few hundred yards to the north of Sough Tunnel". There is only one Sough Tunnel, it is on the line between Bolton and Blackburn; and between the tunnel and Darwen is the site of Sough railway station. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

When you get to pages 122-8, the 2-8-0 locos involved were of the USATC S160 Class - it's not clear from the text, but is confirmed by RCTS Locos of the LNER part 6B, pp. 100-1. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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River Len

Mike I feel quite pleased with myself! I had found the relatively new Geobox|rivers at River Trent and investigated. You will now see the result at this article (I took an easy one first!). There may well be other information - I couldn't work out the coordinates, and in any case a river covers more than one; couldn't find the exact length; and dunno if there is anywhere to be able to get flow rates etc. You may well be able to add more tributaries - I took the ones you had alraedy mentioned under the mills. None of the blanks come out until you give some information. I had also discovered the exact location of the source - a historical document on the Medway; I'm sure you also know more about its course, although perhaps that isn't too important. Peter Peter Shearan (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mill symbols

As you see I have put two new symbols into your sandbox article. Just a quick fix. Using mills in this way is quite an extension. Come September we need to define what symbols we need- mills with weirs for example, millponds goits. I have been visiting the Dark Peak and realise how much more important water engineering was in the 1780s and the growth of the Cotton Industry. Still I am taking a break now. ClemRutter (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been talking with guys at WP:RIVERS and trying to work out what icon system to recommend. In a nutshell, the cyan worms are out, rivers are dark blue unless you need to differentiate- then non-navigable are light blue and navigable are darkblue. but I am still working on it. You have source at the top. River Len, Kent seems to be correct. See also Manchester Ship Canal for an upside down example. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rivers#Route diagrams gives the discussion.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Cadeau

fr:Fichier:LeteaMill.jpg is heel mooi! --ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Medway diagram

This takes a little thought. I like diagrams- very useful for showing mill locations- but there is a convention on canals that navigable should be darkblue and non navigable light blue. The tails as steams meet the river seem clunky. I have been concerned about the representation of reservoirs for some time- is a reservoir navigable or not- how do you show the dam bypass channel. In the simple case: a truncated salami would do- but they often are constructed at the confluence of several rivers. A lot of icons need some thought- and that will take a little time- I will put it on the list. (Some mills are on the wrong bank but that is minor). --ClemRutter (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I have put in far too many hours playing with the diagram on my talk page. Please look over- and see if there is anything to add- you will need to proof read the position of the mills relative to the new locks, and the addition of the Beult and the two mouths of the Teise. I have added some new icons to Template:Waterways legend particularly putting curved dams on reservoirs. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

To be positive: it is getting there. A few of your changes I don"t like. A river is a hydrographical item, as well as cultural one. The first uncollapsed diagram needs to stand in its own right, and give the reader basic infomation about its course. The collapsed bits need to show the twidddly bits, that the Teise at Yalding has bifurcated, and where mills were situated. When the course is a navigation we need info on the locks. Background colour needs to show whether the river is tidal, a navigation, or non-navigable. The section names are taken from the NRA, and are used by the waterways community- I don't think Lower Mid Upper is really informative. The whole diagram (uncollapsed) needs to be complete and informative in itself. I think that we should do another round of rollbacks and improvement then wrap it in a template and ask the WP:RIVERS for comment on any points where policy decisions need to be made. I would like to use it as a model to be attached to their policy page. I then want to code up the River Etherow, Irk, Irwell, Medlock, Goyt can't you just smell the cotton. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, width is critical when using collapsable box- expand all the section to see it isn't broken by the change. Titles a lot better- I took one look and thought- I knew I was about to to do that-- but I can't remember having done it. These wretched dock icons look awful- I am going to redo them- I cant see why a narrow dock should be five times wider than the river. I am more concerned about the length if the diagram, then allowing the diagram to be included in Kent pages that make a mention to the Medway. Then into Infoboxes.I am uploading images along the commons:Portland Basin- Ashton Canal at the moment.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you know this one? Template:Medway Navigation--ClemRutter (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

v t e River Medway
Legend
00.0 Source TQ 334 359 51°06′25″N 0°05′37″W / 51.10694°N 0.09361°W / 51.10694; -0.09361 00.0 Upper Reaches  B2028  Fen Place Mill  B2110  Bluebell Railway West Hoathly Stream Weir Wood Reservoir Mill Place Foundry East Grinstead Stream Brambletye Mill  A22  Three Bridges to Tunbridge Wells Central Line Tablehurst Mill Parrock Forge Hartfield Iron Mill  B2026  Hartfield Stream Warren Brook Waterdown Forest Stream Groombridge Stream Ashurst Mill  A264  Oxted Line Kent Water Ashurst Furnace Chafford Mills  B2188  Poundbridge Stream Barden Mill Stream Pound Mill 00.0 River Eden to Leigh River Eden  B2176  Ensfield Mill Ensfield Road Limit of navigation Redhill to Tonbridge Line  A21  Ramhurst Mill Powder Mills 00.0 Leigh to Yalding South Eastern Main Line Tonbridge Tonbridge High Street  B2260  28 Town Lock Town Mill Cannon Lane  A26  Southborough Bourne 25.6 Eldridge Lock 24 Porters Lock Hartlake Road 22 East Lock Tudeley Brook Pen Stream 20.8 Oak Weir Lock River Bourne Sluice Weir Lock Branbridges Mill Branbridges  A228  Medway Valley Line 00.0 Yalding to Allington Lock Site of Stoneham Lock River Teise Greater Teise Sluice Twyford Bridge  B2162  Lesser Teise River Beult Hampstead Mill Hamptons Bridge  B2162  15.3 Hampstead Lock Breden's Boatyard Hampstead Marina Hampstead Lane Canal Wateringbury Stream Wateringbury Bridge West Farleigh Stream 10.4 Teston Lock Teston Bridge  B2163  Barming Bridge East Farleigh Bridge 7.5 Farleigh Lock Line to Tovil Goods station Loose Stream River Len  A20   A20  Maidstone Maidstone East Line Boxley Stream Allington Castle 00.0 Allington Lock to Rochester Allington Lock  M20  Cossington Stream Aylesford Bridge East Malling Stream Friars Mill Addington Brook Holborough Brook Borstal Mill Cuxton Mill High Speed 1  M2  Priory Mill Strood Tide Mill Rochester Rochester Bridge  A2  Chatham Main Line Strood, Thames and Medway Canal Chatham Chatham Tide Mill Chatham Dockyard Medway Tunnel  A289  Gillingham The Swale Isle of Sheppey Thames Estuary   TQ 903 758

Well it is certainly ready to be wrapped in a template- so I have. We can do further editing there {{River Medway map}}. I did do one change as the Tidal estuary is downstream from Rochester.

True. There is a limit to the sort of ship you can drive under Rochester Bridge. I think the commissioner of HM Dockyard would agree with me. The London Stone is at Upnor, which is/was the upstream limit of the Port of London- but Rochester is miles from the Swale or Thames. This wrretched river never does things simply!--ClemRutter (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Rivers

I have been putting a bit of input into Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rivers‎; that may interest you. Later tonight I will be posting some of the changes. --ClemRutter (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:River Waveney map

Hi. I notice you have updated the River Waveney map, but was a little surprised to see that it now runs from south to north. One of the problems of the transposition is that several of the adjoining rivers are now shown on the wrong side. Oulton Broad should be on the other side, as should the River Yare, and the Haddiscoe cut is no longer clearly labelled. I was going to try to sort it out but am a bit short of time at the moment. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I am back from holiday now, and have moved Oulton Broad, Haddiscoe Cut and the River Bure back to where they should be, corrected the direction of the locks, and produced a windmill symbol for the windmills. However, I have no sources for which side of the river the windmills should be on, and as the river and Haddiscoe Cut have now been transposed, wondered if you could just check them. Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Givors canal

Hi, given your interest in France and transport and the fact that it's been sitting weeks, I wondered if you'd care to review this one for GA? If you;re not feeling very well I understand though, sorry to hear about that. Your talk page could do with archiving though its 159 kb! Hope you had a good Christmas!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Ships

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Hi Mjroots. I just created Template:Norwegian torpedo boats. For some reason I can't get to display correctly on the pages where I add it. None of the View, Discuss or Edit functions seem to work. When I push either of them I get "Template:Norwegian torpedo boatss", with an -s too many, for some reason. Do you have any idea how I've managed to mess the template up, and how to fix it? Manxruler (talk) 02:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Looks like I fixed it here. Chris857 (talk) 02:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Chris. That was typical of the silly little mistakes that sometimes makes a mess of things. Well spotted. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The template name and raw name must be exactly the same. C&P is you friend here. Nice to see another stalker come out of the woodwork! Welcome to the club, Chris. Mjroots (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Yep. I think I did copy-paste, but evidently my finger seems to have slipped slightly during the paste bit. Probably didn't help being seriously tired either. Ah, well, all's well now. Thanks all. Manxruler (talk) 12:19, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

talk:Minesweeper (ship)#Requested move 2

I have renewed the proposal to move Minesweeper (ship) to Minesweeper, due to hundreds of links to Minesweeper referring to the ship. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 01:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Hadlow (ship)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Hadlow_%28ship%29#cite_ref-CM220324_24-0 forgive me if i seem a bit rusty on all this but the mystery of over 20 refs that are unreachable in current format - is there something i am missing - how are the refs verifiable ? lost with all hands - how verified (or not?) - anyways happy new year and all... satusuro 09:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

excellent - highly likely that libraries that i belong to can give me the access i need - thanks for your reply - cheers satusuro 11:44, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

SS Maasdam (1921)

Hi there, I saw that you formatted the ships for the Maasdam (disambiguation) page and I'm a bit confused why the new SS Maasdam (1921) article isn't showing up in "blue" on the page. I see that it's a cool template that will italize the vessel name, but not the year, so I didn't switch the format.

Maybe I'm the only one seeing red? Any insight would be much appreciated! You don't have to TB to my page, I'll watch this page for the short term.--CaroleHenson (talk) 00:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

It's showing in blue for me and the link works. You've made a start on the article but the flags need to go per WP:MOSFLAG. Add {{Infobox ship begin}} and fill in details as appropriate. Further info on the ship may be found at Plimsoll Ship Data and Convoyweb (enter Maasdam in search box). Mjroots (talk) 07:19, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, great! It's showing up blue for me now, too. Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 15:27, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of RNOV Shabab Oman

Hello Mjroots,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged RNOV Shabab Oman for deletion, because it doesn't seem to have any encyclopedic content.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. BiH (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

List of shipwrecks in 1829

I gather the ship "Perseverence" is spelled correctly and shouldn't be "Perseverance". If so, you should put a {{Not a typo}} or similar template on it. It stops the bot/AWB idiots like me and the Grammar Nazi's from "correcting" it. Bgwhite (talk) 08:07, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Pic for SS Alster

Hi Mjroots. Look, there's a photo of SS Alster now. Manxruler (talk) 20:54, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Re: 2010 F1 season/Hamilton

Don't fret man, I'm sure we've all made errors like that at some point during our Wiki lives. We learn and learn every day. :) Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 15:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I know, but I was just trying to trim some of the page size by removing the refnames of references that did not have another reference point in the article, as in the only mentioning of the reference. Bad idea in hindsight, but just trying to trim every little unnecessary byte off the page. Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 17:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Already responded there! Cs-wolves(talk) 18:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I also believe the ref name tags give unnecessary weight to the article.  Kitchen Roll  (Exchange words) 18:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton

It'll probably help that the 115.134.x.x range is out of the way; though I'm sure that's not the only IP range in Malaysia! Black Kite (t) (c) 09:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Flags for F1 race

You undid my edit on the 2010 European Grand Prix because I changed the flag to European one from Spanish one. I think it is better to put the European one, because it is officially named the European Grand Prix. Of course, there is a Spanish Grand Prix, but all other races have their respective flags, bar this one. M-R-Schumacher (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, seen it. Also, thank you for putting my edit as a good faith edit, and not vandalism - because I just edited it thinking that the European flag was the correct one. M-R-Schumacher (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you are quite correct about everyone learning about Wiki (but I guess everyone will be learning about it until they reitre, and the site does need admins :P). And, I am also trying to fight vandalism, so it would have been quite ironic if I were accused of it! M-R-Schumacher (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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2011 Australian Grand Prix

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2013 Formula One season

Hi, Mj,

I've come to you before with a couple of requests, and I'm hoping you can help me out with another one. A few recent developments have lead regular contributors over at WP:F1 to belive that it is time to create a page for the 2013 Formula One season. However, the page has been pre-emptively created half a dozen times in the past, and admins have prevented the page from being created until it is unlocked; we are 18 months away from the start of the 2013 season, and by comparison, the 2012 page was created almost three years in advance. I am hoping you will be able to open up the ability to create the 2013 page, or at least direct me to someone who can if you do not have that happy power, please. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've changed the salting on the page from create=sysop to create=autoconfirmed, that should let you get to work on it, I think. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

That's fine, Bushranger. Not too soon to create the article now, considering there are drivers with contracts to race in 2013. Mjroots (talk) 07:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Folkestone Racecourse

Thanks for the message. I'd say its "closing" rather than "closed". The racecourse's own website shows that they still have fixtures left in 2012 and the news story on the Racing Post says it will close at the end of 2012, so I'd say for the moment it should still be marked as an active racecourse until it finally shuts it doors. What do you think?--Bcp67 (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: My editing

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Colombia DC-3 crash

G'day, I don't understand why you are consolidating what can't be consolidated; there is one ASN ref for the 2010 crash, one from Colombia Reports which states that the five POB were killed, and the ASN ref for the 2014 crash, which gives the registration and msn which demonstrate that the same a/c was in both crashes, and the name of the new operator. YSSYguy (talk) 07:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hello

You sent me a message last week and i just saw it right now. About the edit wars against me, Actully i wrote my claim in the article's talk page and he didn't listen to me. He's continue's to vandalize articles in Misplaced Pages and he opened another user. He even didn't blocked! i really don't know why.--Friends147 (talk) 18:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Bucharester

He seems like an energetic new user, perhaps a bit too concerned with presenting his hometown in an overly positive light, but nothing more alarming so far. - Biruitorul 20:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Eff Won

Hi Mj,

I noticed you left a message for Eff Won on his talk page. I know you're assuming good faith, but just in case you're unaware, we believe that Eff Won is actually a sock of Lucy-marie, and is currently the subject of a sockpuppet investigation. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think it's under control now. As we're all pretty sure it's Lucy, we've had enough experience with her to know how to handle her. Right now, we've managed to contain Eff Won to the article talk pages while we await the outcome of the SPI. If proven right, some of us have talked about adding something to WP:LONG for future reference. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi again Mj,

How long do SPIs generally take? Eff Won has been the subject of one for nearly a week now, and there hasn't been any real progress on it. One way or the other, I'd like the matter closed, because he's starting to get aggressive again (see here and especially here). Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Right, thanks for that. I'm hesitant to do it because I don't know how long it would take for an admin to get around to reviewing it, and the page clearly states that you must notify a user if they have been referred to AN or ANI. I'm not keen on that for the time being because I don't know how Eff Won would react if he were to find out before action was taken (assuming action is taken - but we're all fairly certain it's Lucy). I imagine that he would take it poorly, though. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Eff Won appears to be on the other side of the world to me. Would it be perceived as low if I were to report him to AN/ANI and left the mandatory note on his page while he was asleep so that admins could intervene before he was aware of it? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've reported him to ANI. He's denied it, of course, insisting that everything I have said has been taken out of context, deliberately misrepresented and shamelessly exaggerated, but he hasn't actually addressed any of the issues I raised, and he seems to think this will all go away if he asks nicely and promises to try better. I find it rather strange that he hasn't addressed - or even acknowledged - his deplorable behaviour like this. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:53, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Arrogance.

I have no difficulty in being civil to anyone but I will simply not lie down and take rudeness. Therefore, I request that you remind Parsecboy of the same. In future it would be best if he did not approach people with such an outright display of arrogance on first contact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.G.Watson (talk • contribs) 18:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your support at my RfA. I will do my best to live up to people's confidence in me. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Grammar issue

Hi mj,

When you get a chance, can you please take a look at 2012 Formula One season, please? A user, cherkash, has taken issue with some of the grammar in the article, citing MOS:POSS as to why. I told him it was fine, citing other parts of the same policy, but he keeps restoring his edits. He has moved it to the article talk page and has attempted to establish a consensus, but the preliminary consensus is going against him. Other users see no reason to change what is in the article. I also advised him that the Formula One WikiProject has a certain way of doing things, namely that we generally prefer that a consensus is reached on contentious edits before actually implementing them. cherkash keeps restoring his edits despite this and despite preliminary consensus against him. I warned him that he was in violation of WP:3RR, and now his latest edit rewords sections of the article (quite poorly in places, I might add - for someone who is taking issue with grammar, he has no idea how to construct a proper sentence) so as to get around the preliminary consenuss telling him that there was no agreement on his proposed changes. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Mj, I'm surprised you took a very partial view of the issue, by threating me with a ban on my talk page, while taking no such action against Prisonermonkeys. If you carefully look at the history and timing of edits on both main article and talk pages, you will see that not only Prisonermonkeys was in violation of the 3RR himself, but he also acted against the spirit of Misplaced Pages by summarily undoing the edits, only a portion of which was in his opinion controversial, and the rest of which was uncontroversial improvement. This is very much against the Wiki spirit of collaboration, when editors are discouraged to summarily undo other editors' edits unless in cases of vandalism, and are instead encouraged to re-work the edits further towards amicable resolution. In this case, I repeatedly warned him that he dismissed/undid more than edits that contained possessives in question – but he proceeded to revert nonetheless. At the last count, I can see 4 reverts on his part (against my two) – but you nevertheless decided to take your issue up with me not him. It's strange, especially since I tried to constructively resolve the issues in my latest edit, whereas he just repeatedly acted disrespectfully towards me and my attempts at resolving the controversial issue. Since when is the "my way or highway" attitude, as demostrated by Prisonermonkeys, encouraged and endorsed on the Misplaced Pages? cherkash (talk) 23:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

My third reversion of the page came after I told you that you needed a consensus to have your changes approved. At the time, you did not. The preliminary consensus was against your proposals. Nevertheless, you restored the content that you added to the page. I explained to you the reasons for this: the Formula 1 editors prefer to keep the page stable by discussing proposed changes first, and only including them once a consensus had been obtained. Yes, we are conservative, but we do that because the pages get a lot of unsolicited edits, particularly during this time of year when the rumour mill is in full swing. If I reverted your page for the third time, it was because you ignored these instructions. You did not have a consensus, but you saw fit to make changes anyway. You tried to give me some nonsense about how your changes were grammar-related and had nothing to do with changing the actual content of the page, but that is splitting hairs. You did not have consensus to make those changes.

Furthermore, I told you that if you wanted to make any changes to the page outside the grammar, you were welcome to. In particular, I noticed you wanted to change the {{main|(Grand Prix name)}} to {{main article|(Grand Prix name)}}. I have no issue with that, and if you had have changed that and that alone, then I would not have reverted it. Instead, you insisted that I had to be the one to go through and change all the grammar back to its original form if I had an issue with it. If you had have made an edit that changes those templates without touching the grammar, you would have earned yourself considerably more goodwill than you currently have.

Finally, your "attempts at resolving the controversial issue" with your final edit did not amount to much. I changed these for three reasons: 1) they weren't necessary, 2) preliminary consensus decided that the article was fine the way it was, and 3) they actual changes that you made here left the article with some very awkward sentences, such as "Lotus became known as Caterham, reflecting purchase of Caterham Cars by team principal Tony Fernandes". It surprises me that you made so little effort here, given that the majority of your edits have been concerned with grammar. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

PS - Mj, I hope you don't mind my posting like this on your talk page. I saw cherkash's response and thought I might offer a rebuttal in the interests of making your job a little easier by saving you from sifting through pages and pages to find a response. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Prisonermonkeys, you are clearly bent on splitting hairs, despite claims to the opposite. Mind-boggling: you wouldn't mind me changing the factual contents without building consensus first, but you were clearly very eager to aggressively go after me for trying to change grammar and re-work it to something that would be acceptable to all parties involved. That contradicts the claims to factual stability you pretend to maintain (around the time "rumour mill is in full swing") – since you are clearly more interested in formatting stability than in factual one.

In a good spirit of collaboration it would be better you further change "awkward" grammar (which wasn't that awkward, retaining the original meaning exactly) rather than keep reverting everything. So you have to admit there was a very clear intent on your side to involve in an edit war – and that's exactly what you continued doing despite my efforts to avoid it.

Also note, that by undoing all the edits I did, including those you said you agreed to – and the ones you said would earn me more goodwill – you still managed to mangle and destroy the repeated efforts to fix citation tags. This is a good example of why making incremental edits, instead of reverts/undo's, is always a preferred way to edit Misplaced Pages. cherkash (talk) 03:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Article about Restaurant Week

Just wanted your feedback on a new article that I have created. Does it meet Wiki standards? Would appreciate your comments and feedback (and help!). Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Bangalore_restaurant_week Varunr (talk) 11:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. While the said references are on Facebook and Youtube, those are coverage done by actual and reputable Television News channels. Does that not count? Yes there are Newspaper mentions too, Note 5 and 6 are Newspaper clips and also, check the section titled Press mentions. Does that help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varunr (talk • contribs) 06:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

The Times

Just in case you hadnt looked for a bit it is now 1785-2006 an extra 21 years! MilborneOne (talk) 21:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Vietnamese)#RfC_on_spelling

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A real pity, not to many aircraft of the type around. Thanks for the addition.--Jetstreamer  19:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: - Pprune, whilst not a reliable source, is a good research tool . Mjroots (talk) 19:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, wondered if you could revisit the Settle railway station article. I was looking at this change to add the year of the event but looking at the reference it appears not to tie-in with the incident in question. Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 12:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for change. Keith D (talk) 17:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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I was having fun browsing on a marine tracker website and spotted Lingediep. I'm not sure if you have a ship project criteria for notability but it probably doesn't cut the mustard. It looked a fair sized cargo ship but is probably too generic for wikipedia. If so I'll db author it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad you think so, I wasn't sure. I think[REDACTED] would be a much better resource if it contained more articles on things like cargo ships. Can you add a n empty box and I'll try to fill it in.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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Olsberg mid-air collision

Was almost certainly created by Ryan K. I'd delete it and undelete the other article if I were an admin....William 21:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I've asked MilborneOne to do the honours for the sake of openness. Had I spotted the sock I'd have deleted his article per WP:BAN, even though it was created first. Mjroots (talk) 21:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Well I informed The Bushranger. FYI whenever I see a new crash article, the first thing I check is who the editor was who created it. No problem and Cheers!...William 22:15, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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I'm aware of a couple more accidents, probably the most notable was a locomotive boiler explosion caused by lack of maintenance. Might sometimes be referred to as the "Wath Boiler Explosion" if I remember correctly. If this is one you expect to write about in the 'near' future please let me know and I'll cross it off my to do list. It's not a high priority for me (requires some steam engine technical knowledge I lack) and you would probably do a better job.

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San Esteban (1554 shipwreck)

Hi, I was thinking of taking this to GA. I wanted prior approval though, do you think it's sufficient for GA?♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:27, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: - It's certainly looking in pretty good shape. You might consider moving the inage of the carrack into the infobox. The date format of the first source isn't consistent within itself and the rest of the dates. I dislike the ISO 8601 date format, but it is allowed to be used. I've had a hand in two ship GAs - RMS Magdalena (1948) and SS Empire Endurance, the latter jointly with Manxruler. Mjroots (talk) 07:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Me too, I prefer 11 July 2014. But that's Aymatth2 for you :-).♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

@Aymatth2: - what are your thoughts on a change of date style? Mjroots (talk) 07:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

• I changed the dates in the source descriptions so they are all 1995-05-05 format. I don't think they have to be consistent with the 5 May 1995 format dates in the body. To me the source list holds very compact, technical definitions, not meant to be read as normal text. I don't feel strongly though. Aymatth2 (talk) 10:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

• I've given the article a read, and have a few comments. I'd keep the date styles of the body and the sources consistent, if I was writing this article. Further, "It was said that a priest in Mexico predicted that there would be a disaster before the ships set sail, but his warning was ignored." Who (at the time) said that? The claim is sort of without context is it is now. Manxruler (talk) 13:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

@Aymatth2: any idea?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:10, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I tweaked the wording. The source just attributes the priest's warning to "oral tradition" and does not give the origin (place and time) of the tradition. I saw it in other sources. It seems sort-of relevant, even though it was probably invented after the fact. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:53, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. MJ, what happened to the infobox in MV Kuzma Minin?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:00, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Date formats

Unfortunatelly I did it my way, and it will stay that way according to who ever added the template (in this case me): Template:Use dmy dates. I might be wrong, but oner of the admins here told me that if there is a template, do it that way, if there is non, feel free to edit it your way or add a template. Talk to @Ryan Vesey: and/or @Worm That Turned: for more in depth explanation. Plus, its not suppose to be a big deal and mdy dates are even better, because its much clearer on the tongue (since Misplaced Pages doesn't use of). O' and WP:TIES have nothing to do with our discussion. It talks about language styles, not dates, which I didn't violated.--Mishae (talk) 21:04, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

@Mishae: Please see WP:STRONGNAT for date formats. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

O.K. Whatever. Still there was no template to notify an unsuspected user that this how I want it.--Mishae (talk) 21:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Re: this. What do we do with the flags already removed?--Jetstreamer  15:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: - I restored them where they affected articles that I keep a weather eye on. The restorations were partly reverted insofar as the countries were unlinked. So the solution would appear to be to reinstate the flags using {{flagu}}. Mjroots (talk) 16:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Re: the message you left on Binksternet's talk page, no you didn't protect it for a week, you have indefinitely protected it. You may want to consider fixing it. 85.234.141.185 (talk) 16:33, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

@85.234.141.185:, thank you for that, reset to a week. Mjroots (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2014 (UTC)