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Declined speedy deletion of Alec Rayme

Hi Fyddlestix, I wanted to let you know that I have declined you speedy deletion of Alec Rayme because being an actor is a claim of significance so WP:CSD#A7 doesn't apply, even if he is not notable. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Speedboat (Novel)

I had tagged it the other day for a copyvio and was about to again, but you got it. Thanks! Command and Conquer Expert! _{review me...} 18:40, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Regarding proposed deletion of Beyond the Page Theatre Company of West Potomac Page

The West Potomac Theatre Company is notable and I am still in the process of editing the page. I'm new to Misplaced Pages, so it's taking me a little while to figure everything out. If you could be more specific as to what I need to do to improve my page, that would be helpful.

Thanks - will correct, appreciate the hints...

Hello Fyddlestix,

I appreciate the notes you left explaining the issues and linking to the guidelines. I am new to this, and it has been 20 years since I was in Grad School. And even then my research didn't involve much documentation - It was self-validating or self-negating. I worked in the analysis of syntax, and applied semantics. Much of the reason I joined wiki is because I noticed tons of phrasings all over the wiki that had serious issues with connotations, both intended and accidental. Sometimes when information is paraphrased from the source, well-meaning writers can add layers of implied meaning without realizing it, and very much undermine the information being presented. However, I am much more skilled at turning abstract propositions into concrete statements than I am at proper citation, note keeping, and other important administrative things. Please, if we continue to both work on the PA page, and if we ever cross paths elsewhere, do not hesitate to explain things in detail - You have my cordial invite to be downright professorial, and I will appreciate the schooling!

I will refrain from returning such a favor:) Gst.steven (talk) 04:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Project AWARE

Hi Fyddlestix, You have added an OR template to this article which has at least one inline citation for every paragraph. This is not helpful, as there is no way to identify what you consider original research without checking all the references. Please use inline OR templates to indicate exactly where you think the problem is. • • • Peter (Southwood) : 06:12, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

@Pbsouthwood: Hi PBsouthwood, thanks for the tip - I've added inline OR tags for this article as you requested and removed the article-wide tag. I'll be sure to do this on other articles in the future as well. Fyddlestix (talk) 14:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that is much better, and it makes it reasonable to inspect the reference to see whether it supports the text, • • • Peter (Southwood) : 17:30, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

notability tag on https://en.wikipedia.org/Walter_E._Meshaka,_Jr.

Hi Fyddlestix, this individual is the leading authority on exotic amphibians and reptiles introduced to the United states (Think Pythons in Florida?), and has around 200 publications in herpetology. This places him easily among the top 0.01% of herpetologists in history by numbers of publications!!! I will add a notation with citation to the actual ranking. Thank you for your help! I am not certain if the "resume-like writing" is still true. I have been updating this for a few hours, but it is still rough! :) Herpetology2 (talk) 04:08, 9 February 2015 (UTC)herpetology2

Hi Herpetology2, as you'll see I've removed the notability tag for now, mainly because his publications have been cited quite a number of times by others according to Google scholar. Other editors might think differently though, you might want to brush on WP:ACADEMIC so you know what other people are looking for when they try to determine notability for someone like this. Simply declaring that someone is an expert on something or listing minor awards doesn't really help, what's needed is reliable sources that show the impact of their research/scholarship.Fyddlestix (talk) 21:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Trey Songz: you may already know about them, but you might find Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. ToonLucas22 (talk) 16:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! That was actually a revert with twinkle, but somehow I forgot/failed to click "submit" on the talk page message and it ended up buried beneath a bunch of windows. Appreciate you catching it!Fyddlestix (talk) 16:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

opinions must be cited as opinions

Is per Misplaced Pages policy. And a violation of policy even a hundred years old remains a violation of policy. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Collect: I'm sorry, but what's this in reference to exactly? Please point out exactly where you think I've violated this policy.Fyddlestix (talk) 14:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

The lead violated policy - including using material not supported by sources, and using a source which published an opinion as though it were fact in Misplaced Pages's voice for PNAC. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, but I didn't write the lede, and I haven't edited it. Why are you bringing this up here rather than on the article's talk page? Fyddlestix (talk) 14:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

To avoid a thousand word post from another editor who seems to always do so? Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Collect:Fair enough - I don't have a problem with your edit anyway, although I think there are probably better sources to cite there.Fyddlestix (talk) 16:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

see also

For fun, I suggest you look at Ubi's record on controversial topics with many other editors and his multiple current topic bans. I am far from the only one who has had problems with him. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

The Gods of Antarctica

At the AFD for this book I noted that the authors BLP has been deleted twice. Do you know if Mynameisyvs (talk · contribs) was the BLP creator? 220 of 09:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

@220 of Borg: Sorry, I can't remember who the creator of that page was. I remember thinking it was probably the same person who created the article for the book, as they used the exact same set of sources, but it looks like they may be using multiple accounts: Davidblues291278 and Blues291278 are probably related, for example. It doesn't look like Mynameisyys created the article to me though - wouldn't there be a notification for the AFD or speedy in their talk page history? Fyddlestix (talk) 17:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Should be. I found that account through a Google search. People are apparently so desperate to have their 'notability' confirmed on WP that they create pseudo biographies on their userspace. Probably should be deleted per wp:NOTHOST. 220 of 02:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Question

Not wanting to start the conversation over here or anything. I am just curious if my request for a statement of what he understood the theory under discussion to be was either unreasonable or phrased so poorly as to warrant such a strong reaction from Collect? I do not do a lot of online stuff so maybe I crossed some line or wrote something easily misread. If so I would like to know so I can apologize, if I have been an ass it is perfectly OK to say so. If not... meh... It was a discussion about an interesting topic... Jbh (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I can see both sides - I think you were quite correct to suggest that a misunderstanding of Wolin's basic point was probably causing a lot of the issues/tension there. It would have been quite helpful for him to state what exactly he thinks Wolin is arguing, but I can also see why he might have thought your wording was condescending. Personally, though, I wouldn't worry about it - debating on someone's talk page (about an issue that isn't even related to a specific article) is kind of a waste of time, and I don't think there is/was much to be gained by prolonging the debate at this point. Not sure if that's helpful - FWIW I don't think you were out of line given what had been said/argued before. Fyddlestix (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

OK. Thank you for the input. - @Collect: I apologize if you found the wording of my request to be condescending in any way. It was not intended to be so. I merely wanted to move the discussion forward from an impasse. I will honor your request to not comment on your talk page. - @Fyddlestix, thank you for the use of this space to send a ping from. Enjoy the remainder of your weekend. Cheers. Jbh (talk) 19:36, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Notice of BLPN discussion

An issue you may be involved in is being discussed at BLPN. Jbh (talk) 13:33, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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Something other than a barn star for you

Fyddlestix You have been given a box of ferrets!

Thank you for all of your work cleaning up sourcing at Ankit Love and List of PNAC Members associated with the Administration of George W. Bush. I would give you some sort of barn star but I think ferrets are cooler and I have a bias for the curious little buggers.

-- Jbh (talk) 03:17, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!

@Jbhunley: Yay, ferrets! My life-long dream of becoming a ferret owner is fulfilled. And thanks for remembering/noting Ankit Love, having the closing admin note that I'd convinced them of non-notability is actually my proudest moment on[REDACTED] so far. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

We made Jimbo's talk page

I now know why there are so many drive by comments at AfD. Collect has had a thread going on Jimbo's talk page. It is quite a tread. He mentioned you, Ubikwit and I without so much as a ping. He also quoted me at length, twice, without a ping. The thread is quite 'interesting'. At the very least you will see what happens when I finally get fed up with being diplomatic. It is sad, right up until I saw Collect's behavior in that thread I at least respected him as an editor and a decent human being.... now... well... Jbh (talk) 01:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

PS I'm not sure why the ferrets want to run to the bottom of the page. Jbh (talk) 01:21, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I went on a bit of a rant, hopefully it won't bite me in the ass. I can't believe he lumped all of us in together and accused of wanting the old version of the article back. Fyddlestix (talk) 04:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Nah.. I doubt it will bite you, you were much more polite than I was. It was a very impressive rant though :) Oh well I have another chapter of so of proofreading to go before I call it a far too late night. Jbh (talk) 05:12, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

You are a braver man/woman than I

If you think you have seen drama just wait until the ANI gets going... I will work on compiling my diffs tomorrow. I agree ANI is really the best and only recourse. Campaigning on a talk page monitored by thousands on the sly, where the general reader has no idea of the context of his comments is so far over the line... I simply have no words That I can say here. At least my temper is now well immunized. Cheers :)
Jbh (talk) 02:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Well that was quick

@Jbhunley: @MrX: @Ubikwit: Sorry if I bungled this - as JBH pointed out, this was my first experience with an ANI and I did not realize that I needed to request a specific admin action. I also had some sudden RL issues (a suddenly and un-expectantly very cranky 4 month old), and did not get a chance to respond to the comments/responses as quickly as I had planned to. Lesson learned, I recognize that I ought to have asked some of you more experienced editors for advice before posting that. I made the mistake of assuming that Collect's conduct (particularly misrepresenting other editors positions & actions, refusal to retract allegations that are patently and demonstrably false) spoke for themselves, and I now regret that I didn't formulate the ANI post well enough to give other concerned editors like you guys and more time to weigh in (or give you a heads up). My apologies.

@JzG: Sorry to ping you, I'm not trying to get you to re-open the debate here or anything - I accept your decision. But I would like to say one thing: in your closing statement on this ANI post you characterized my complaint as "querulous," and intimated that I might not "drop the stick." I feel this was unfair, and perhaps based on a misunderstanding of my position.

I'd like to point out that I was very careful to keep the focus on Collect's conduct as an editor in my post, and to leave the content dispute(s) that we've had out of it. My position on the list article and AFD is also not what you seem to have assumed it was. As I have already indicated in several posts, I was opposed to the creation of the article being discussed in that AFD in the first place, and have gone almost totally silent in that discussion since I realized that consensus was leaning towards deletion. I've also already indicated to Collect that I am happy to accept the verdict of the AFD discussion, and am more than willing to "drop the stick." The issue, as I indicated there, is Collect's behavior, not the content of any article. I'm sorry for not communicating that more clearly in my original post.

This was my first time at ANI and I have only been actively editing[REDACTED] for a couple of months. As you can see above, my main regret at this point is that other editors like MrX and @Viriditas:who have also expressed concerns about Collect's behavior, and are not involved in any specific content dispute with him, did not get a chance to say their piece. My sense, when I made the post, was that there are a lot of editors who have observed Collect exhibiting unacceptable behavior recently. As a new editor, who has been somewhat shocked to see Collet getting away with the behavior he's been exhibiting for weeks now, I have been waiting and waiting for someone to take action, and ultimately last night figured "someone's got to do it" and stepped up. Apparently that was a mistake. Anyways, sorry for hauling you here I just wanted to make you aware of some broader context. If you read all of this, thank you for your time and attention. Fyddlestix (talk) 13:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

@JzG: I stated that I was going to provide evidence and ask for specific sanction and requested that an uninvolved admin needed me to do so. You did not please re-open this. Also your call that Fyddlestyx DROPTHESTICK was totally inappropriate. Jbh (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

• @Fyddlestix: I don't think the report was premature, but maybe needed to be presented more compactly, in readily consumable portions. AN/I is not a forum that has a professional feel, and admins are not inclined to investigate complex cases in detail. There are other forums for that.

@JzG: I also feel that the thread was not querulous and actually somewhat overdue. When that happens the amount of material that needs to be covered becomes somewhat unwieldy. The dispute on neoconservatives related articles involving Collect stretches back a couple of months now. I understand that there are a lot of threads on multiple pages (BLP/N, NPOV/N) to cover even only within the scope of Fyddlestix's postings, but, as @MrX: alluded, the scope and duration of the disruption is probably a reason why this needs to be brought before Arbcom. I brought Collect before Arbcom only a month or so ago, and did have occasion to mention the neoconservativism related articles.

I also noted that MONGO basically threatened Fyddlestix with sanctions on Collect's talk page, saying he's "seen about enough of Fydllestix", calling the AN/I filing a "bunch of bullshit". What kind of conduct is that?

The thread was closed before some of the involved editors even had a chance to comment. Editors offering words of support for Collect that did not address the specifics of the complaint were out of order, diverting attention from the actual content and turning the thread into some sort of popularity contest. --Ubikwit_{見学/迷惑} 14:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree Arbcom is the place for this. I fixed the procedural issue at ANI. I may get tagged for it but I said I had sanctions to request but wanted to get evidence together right at the top of the ANI. I also asked the admin to ping me if they needed it earlier. Chances of anything happening at ANI are pretty low, he is pretty well insulated but he was also, in my opinion, way over the line even for 'established content creators' Jbh (talk) 15:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

And, that is why no one goes to ANI with problems about established editors. Re-calibrating my definition of 'the line' while munching on fish that tastes an awful lot like crow. :) Jbh (talk) 15:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, - MrX 20:48, 18 March 2015 (UTC)