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Jeremy Clarkson
Articles: Jeremy Clarkson (talk · history · tag) and Top Gear (2002 TV series) (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Jeremy Clarkson, presenter on Top Gear for over 20 years, has been fired after a 'fracas' with the producer (Post) Alternative blurb: Jeremy Clarkson, presenter of the world's most-watched factual TV series Top Gear, is fired for assaulting a producer. News source(s): BBC News, couple thousand others Credits:
Both articles updatedNominator's comments: Normally a person getting fired wouldn't qualify, but I think given the long history of the show and the one million signature' petition to reinstate him, this is quite a big event. EoRdE6 15:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Previous discussion at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates/March 2015#March 10. —Cryptic 15:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Seriously? A TV show host getting fired? No significance to world events. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: No way this meets ITN criteria. -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not very important. And "fracas" should not be in parentheses - he bullied and hit a junior staff member. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: UK citizen here, and a big fan of Clarkson and no way is this suitable --Dweller (talk) 15:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Weak support: Top Gear is the most popular factual TV show in the world, with hundreds of millions of viewers, Jeremy Clarkson is its most recognizable figure, and big talent being fired for punching a member of staff is not an every day event. This is about as big as TV news can get. For what it's worth, it's on the front page of the websites of Der Spiegel (even with German news dominated by the Germanwings crash), De Telegraaf, and CNN. As much as it pains me to admit it, Jeremy Clarkson is well-known worldwide. No effect on world events, sure, but it's a story that millions around the world care about. Smurrayinchester 16:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- What people "care about" is irrelevant. It isn't encyclopaedic. It is tabloid tripe. Send it to the shambles. RGloucester — ☎ 16:15, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- That's why I worded it in an encyclopedic mamner. I could have said Jeremy Clarkson punched his producer because he didn't get steak, and then sent it to the tabloids, but this is a factual blurb about some really big TV news about a 20+ year show and a supporting 1 million signature petition. Just saying. EoRdE6 16:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Curiosity (rover)
Articles: Curiosity (rover) (talk · history · tag) and Life on Mars (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Curiosity finds nitrogen on Martian atmosphere, indicating the possibility of life on Mars (Post) News source(s): NASAHP Many more Credits:
Article needs updating -The Herald my strength 15:04, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose There has always been a possibility of life on mars (the blurb should be changed if this ends up posted). While this is indeed new information, I don't think it has a significant enough impact on the mission to be posted. Mamyles (talk) 15:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Kraft Heinz merger
Articles: Kraft Foods (talk · history · tag) and Heinz Company (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The boards of Kraft Foods and Heinz agree to a merger, to form the world's fifth largest food and drink company (Post) News source(s): BBC Guardian Credits:
First article updated, second needs updatingNominator's comments: Major merger between two of the world's largest food and drink companies, worth around $40bn. Business deals are under-represented on ITN. The blurb is carefully phrased, because this is still subject to shareholder approval. However that is expected to be a formality, and the story is in the news now. Modest Genius 13:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
March 24
Boko Haram kidnappings
Article: Boko Haram (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Boko Haram kidnaps hundreds women and children from the Nigerian town of Damasuk. (Post) News source(s): Reuters BBC Christian Science Monitor Credits:
Nominator's comments: Seems significant because of the large number of people who have been kidnapped--even more than the Chibok kidnapping. The precise number of people involved, however, is still uncertain, which is why the blurb just says "hundreds" rather than something more precise. Everymorning talk 18:06, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
RD: Lil' Chris
No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Lil' Chris (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC, Aftonbladet (Sweden), TeleCinco (Spain), Guardian, Independent, more Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Child star who worked with Gene Simmons and died at 24. Regular on British TV from 2006-2010 approx. Sources suggest that he was known in Europe as well. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- one number three hit, no awards. Unless the death turns out to be homicide, it is just tragic young death which does not really contribute to notability. μηδείς (talk) 20:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Germanwings Flight 9525
Article: Germanwings Flight 9525 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Germanwings Flight 9525 crashes in the French Alps with 148 people on board. (Post) News source(s): BBC NBC News Credits:
Article needs updating The Rambling Man (talk) 11:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Indian Supreme Court strikes down section 66A of IT Act
Article: Information Technology Act 2000 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Supreme Court of India strikes down section 66A of the Information Technology Act 2000, which was used to curtail freedom of speech on internet. (Post) News source(s): Credits:
Amartyabag 10:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Has this been under challenge all along? Does it mean that any convictions will be vacated? A rationale on the impact would help. I read the article but it was pretty cut-and-dried. μηδείς (talk) 19:43, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- It looks like the law was used in 2012 to arrest two people that posted something critical, which was based on a vague interpretation of the law (as I read it). This would be equivalent to the US's Child Online Protection Act (and various other attempts to regulate speech on the internet). --MASEM (t) 19:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- The sources the Hindu, and The India Times, say "many arrests". But no detail is given on convictions, imprisonment, etc. I would be supportive if there were imprisonments, but if it was just abused, randomly enforced, and challenged from the start it's a bit different. We need clarity and more informative sources. μηδείς (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Tentative support See my comment to Medeis above, but this would be the equivalent of the SCOTUS striking down a law used to limit free speech, which while only would affect the US directly, did have worldwide impacts. India is far from tiny and would have a similar impact if the law was upheld. So seems reasonable to post. --MASEM (t) 19:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: ITN didn't post the passage of a far more restrictive law in the Philippines in 2012. –HTD 19:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support Large numbers of multi-national companies operate from India, so this has an impact far beyond that country. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Weak Support Normally this would not get my support, but India is the world's second most populous country with a massive and globalized IT sector. As such the potential ramifications are a bit more noteworthy. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I'd still like a little more information. We didn't post it when the Canadian government Human_rights_complaints_against_Maclean's_magazine#Subsequent_legislative_action repealed its hate speech provisions after the high-profile trial and acquittal of Maclean's, Mark Steyn, and Ezra Levant, after several people's lives had been ruined. Basically, if people are being released from jail sentences on this ruling I will support it, but I don't have the sources. Not having seen "India releases dozens after SC overthrows anti-free speech law" I am not inclined to at this point. μηδείς (talk) 17:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Largest asteroid impact ever
Articles: Impact event (talk · history · tag) and East Warburton Basin (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Scientists discover the largest asteroid impact area ever found in Australia, spanning more than 400 km. (Post) Alternative blurb: Scientists in Australia discover the largest asteroid impact area ever found, spanning more than 400 km. News source(s): BBC Still more Credits:
Article needs updating -The Herald my strength 05:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose as stale. Two years.... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Two years for them to find and validate that 1) it was a meteor impact 2) the timing of the impact and 3) the size of the impact, all through peer-reviewed processes. This is a standard "delay" for scientific process, and the norm when we do post scientific stories that we wait for the peer-reviewed work to appear, not on original claims. --MASEM (t) 13:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: neither article has been updated to reflect this news, and the one on the crater itself (presumably the one to be bolded) is too short to post. Calidum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Wait the impact hasn't been dated yet, that would be a good time to post. Right now we have a preliminary confirmation it's due to an impact, but not much more than that. μηδείς (talk) 16:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose, unless certain issues are addressed. The current news seems to be a re-estimate of the size, correct? But also the article says there were two 10 km impactors, so is this crater really one 400 km crater or two overlapping craters? Why is the age estimate so shoddy, and can it be improved? Finally, I would very much like a map in the article before even considering posting. Abductive (reasoning) 16:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: Clearly some issues with the research here. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- The age estimate isn't shoddy, it's just these are deep old impacts which have been burried over time, and which had associated mantle unpwelling, further complicating the issues. Normally things are dated by a layer (KT Event) or by the layer in which they are found. This is a huge structure that basically obliterated the normal layering processes, and which has subsequently been covered over. A good answer as to age might take years. I still think we should wait until something like "The Australian impact has been determined to date to the Permian extinction" or the like before posting, as that would be the essential fact of the event. μηδείς (talk) 19:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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A Rape on Campus
No consensus to post. 331dot (talk) 10:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: A Rape on Campus (talk · history · tag) Blurb: An investigation conducted by police in Charlottesville, Virginia finds no evidence that the rape described in the Rolling Stone article A Rape on Campus ever happened. (Post) News source(s): Usa Today CNN New York Times The Guardian Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: This story has been very controversial since it was first published last year, and now we have a major development pertaining to it that has been covered in many major media outlets. Everymorning talk 02:03, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Opppose if there were a defamation win or settlement it might be worth posting, but in this case good news is no news. μηδείς (talk) 02:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose The ongoing campus rape epidemic is a problem, but the fact that one story was fabricated isn't going to pass muster at ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:11, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - so this current news is that previous news was false? So there's nothing substantive. I don't recall the previous news making to ITN anyway. Next. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 02:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - Starship.paint read my mind. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - Agree with above - this is not really a ITN-type posting. If this might lead to a defamation lawsuit, then the results might be of interest, but this is not at this stage. --MASEM (t) 02:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Wait until a defamation lawsuit goes though. -- Aronzak (talk) 04:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Protests over the murder of Farkhunda
Article: Murder of Farkhunda (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Thousands of people protest the killing of Farqhunda, an Afghani woman killed over allegedly burning a copy of the Quran, in Kabul. (Post) News source(s): Newsweek Telegraph BBC Houston Chronicle Credits:
Nominator's comments: Lots of coverage from around the world, and the president of Afghanistan has ordered an inquiry. Feel free to suggest an alternative blurb, I know this one is kind of clunky. Everymorning talk 01:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
2015 Indian swine flu outbreak
Articles: 2015 Indian swine flu outbreak (talk · history · tag) and Swine influenza (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Swine influenza in India claims about 2000 lives. (Post) News source(s): Various Credits:
Nominator's comments: This was nominated on 15 March 2015 to close as SNOW. The death toll is rising currently. -The Herald my strength 04:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose for same reasons - swine flu outbreaks in this part of the world are not uncommon. --MASEM (t) 05:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support Outbreaks of swine flu may not be uncommon in India, but ones that kill 2000 people are considerably rarer. Neljack (talk) 06:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose the timeline of events goes up to 2 March, if this is really for "Ongoing", we ought to be seeing more than just a tabular update of deaths more than once in three weeks. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Wait US researchers disagree with Indian researchers about whether the strain is mutating (Reuters Al-Jazeera). This is more likely to be ITN worthy if other journals publish that the virus is mutating to a more contagious strain - or if there is a case overseas. -- Aronzak (talk) 10:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per TRM; I think there needs to be more happening with this than just the number of deaths being updated. 331dot (talk) 14:13, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support the high death rate per infection seems compelling, but I fear this may be a statistical artifact due to every death, but not every infection being reported. In any case, were I looking for factual information, I would come to[REDACTED] for comprehensive, non-alarmist coverage, and we have a very good article on this. μηδείς (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support - high number of deaths. --BabbaQ (talk) 20:21, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment for those in support, can they clarify whether they'd like a blurb or an Ongoing post please, it's not clear. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support due to the unusually high number of casualties (prefer ongoing, but blurb would be fine). Judging from the examples in List of epidemics, an event like this occurs only about once a decade. Mamyles (talk) 20:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support The death toll is enough to ring the ITN bell. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:46, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support a blurb - In regards to The Rambling Man's comment above, I don't know about previous cases of an item becoming "ongoing". But to me, it makes sense that an item like this receive a blurb first if it is ITN worthy, then move to ongoing if it remains ITN worthy after a significant period of time (i.e. there are enough newer items to replace it in the list of blurbs). AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't understand, the article hasn't had a prose update for three weeks, why would you think that would make it appropriate for a blurb? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:30, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support blurb: Ongoing seems too far, too fast, but thousands of deaths from illness is significant. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:42, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't understand, the article hasn't had a prose update for three weeks, why would you think that would make it appropriate for a blurb? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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RD: Lee Kuan Yew
Article: Lee Kuan Yew (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Founding father/former Singaporean Prime Minister Fuebaey (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support with article fixes - Keeping in mind that last week, his death was falsely reported, this seems like the real thing now. The article has several citation needed tags and paragraphs w/o citation. RD is clear and evident for importance, of course. --MASEM (t) 20:40, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- As above - No doubt over significance, this man turned a small port into a booming economy and had a father-like reputation to the people he ruled over. Just fixes here and there needed. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:43, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support blurb - major figure. a blurb is appropriate--BabbaQ (talk) 20:46, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support and marking ready per this week's updates. I can't imagine there will be any opposition to posting this major leader's passing. 21:23, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment it would be better if we could post an article without eight tags. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- There are no citation needed tags in the article. μηδείς (talk) 22:06, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- While there still remain a few para without citations, this wasn't as bad as when I commented above, and is reasonably good shape for posting. --MASEM (t) 22:13, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Tag away, but it's dinner time for me, and I really think this is ready to be posted. Problematic paragraphs should be hidden at this point unless they are essential. μηδείς (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support and propose blurb - Lee Kuan Yew (pictured), the first Prime Minister of Singapore, passes away at the age of 91. - he's above RD in my opinion. It would not be a stretch to consider him the most important Singaporean ever. Seriously, can anyone name a more prominent or influential Singaporean? He was part of the Singaporean Cabinet pre-independence from 1959 to post-independence in 2011. After Singapore gained independence in 1964, he was Prime Minister for 25 years from 965 to 1990. Sources for "founding father" of Singapore: Los Angeles Times / China Post / BBC News / Associated Press. Time says he "Made Modern Asia". Wall Street Journal says he "dominated Singapore politics for more than half a century and transformed the former British outpost into a global trade and finance powerhouse, setting a template for emerging markets around the world". The Guardian says he is "widely credited with building Singapore into one of the world’s wealthiest nations" . starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 22:46, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb Obviously had a huge impact on Singapore, but I'm not sure his global impact rises to the level I would want before supporting a blurb. Neljack (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Neljack: - since when was global impact a criteria? If so, earlier this month we featured as a blurb the deaths of 3 French athletes killed in a helicopter crash in Argentina. Assuredly, their combined global impact was much lower than Lee's. Perhaps you'll like to read the Washington Post : "But the departure of Lee could also have implications for the United States ... Washington has for decades relied on Lee to interpret events in Asia for it." starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 00:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- The French athletes were not posted just because they were athletes; they were posted because of what happened to them; i.e. an event. Blurbs for deaths are generally for either those at the tip-top of their field(such as Margaret Thatcher and Nelson Mandela) or whose death was sudden and unexpected(like Robin Williams). Is this person in the same league as Mandela and Thatcher? 331dot (talk) 00:38, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- From reading, while not have as wide a range of impact as Mandala did, as Starship has pointed out, he is considered to have single-handedly influenced the creation and rise of economic prosperity of Singapore. --MASEM (t) 00:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- @331dot: - if the field is Singapore, he's the top person. No question. IMO, even bigger than Mandela and Thatcher to their respective countries. The UK and South Africa existed before these two statesmen. Independent Singapore didn't exist when Lee took the helm. The Hindu: "a towering figure in post-colonial Asia oversaw tiny Singapore's transformation transformation from British tropical outpost to an affluent, global city in just over a generation, setting the example for developing economies from China to Dubai". starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 00:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- At this point it's a farce he's not at least on RD yet. Singapore is the third, fourth or fifth richest company by GDP per capita depending on which source one uses, IMF, CIA or World Bank. There are no tags, the article is hugely supported, and we've got both Thatcher's and Obama's endorsements. What else do we need? Users who look to the front page can at least click there. μηδείς (talk) 00:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support RD and blurb - According to this report, Henry Kissinger called him one of the “asymmetries of history.” Margaret Thatcher said “he was never wrong.” Barack Obama called him “one of the legendary figures of Asia.” Tony Blair said he was “the smartest leader I ever met.” Samuel Huntington said he was one of the “master builders” of the 20th century. -A1candidate 00:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Posted as RD It seems like this may be heading for a blurb, but I'll let the conversation marinate a bit longer. -- tariqabjotu 00:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Tariq. I'll say oppose blurb more as a comment than a vote, since he died of old age, but a blurb would certainly not offend me. μηδείς (talk) 00:59, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support blurb. He rises to the Mandela/Thatcher level of importance, due to key role in the transition to independence, and his extremely long and influential time as prime minister. -LtNOWIS (talk) 01:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
source: US P Obama: "giant of history". UK PM Cameron: "Lee Kuan Yew personally shaped Singapore in a way that few people have any nation". Aus PM Abbott: "giant of our region". UN head Ban: "legendary figure in Asia". @Neljack: @331dot: starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 01:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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- The nomination is fine the way it is. -- tariqabjotu 02:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
US State Department to deny any Italian extradition request for Amanda Knox
Never going to be posted. Stephen 22:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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Articles: Amanda Knox (talk · history · tag) and Murder of Meredith Kercher (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Amanda Knox will not be extradited by the US to Italy. (Post) News source(s): Sunday Express Credits:
Nominator's comments: Breaking news from the US making the legal proceeding in Italy essentially irrelevant. Count Iblis (talk) 20:00, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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Inauguration of Namibian President
No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Hage Geingob (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Hage Geingob is sworn in as the third President of Namibia following the 2014 general elction. (Post) News source(s): Mail & Guardian Credits:
Nominator's comments: The third president was sworn in yesterday following the 2014 election. The ceremony was attended by at least 14 Heads of State. (Elections are ITNR). Ali Fazal (talk) 14:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Perro Aguayo Jr. (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Mexican professional wrestler Perro Aguayo Jr. dies during a match in Tijuana, Mexico. (Post) News source(s): Telegraph Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: This meets the death criteria as he's a famous lucha libre. Should this get a blurb due to the circumstances of his death? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment A wrestler dying from the end result of a spinal cord injury is not very surprising. But it's also the case that this is not a worldwide known figure who's death has a major impact (compared to Margaret Thatcher, Nelson Mandala, or Robin Williams). Note that I have not evaluated this as an RD, only commenting on the blurb aspect. Also we need a source. --MASEM (t) 04:22, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure at all that he meets the death criteria, but I know basically nothing about Mexican wrestling. Is he just a famous wrestler, or is he generally considered significant to the sport? The bigger story does in fact seem to be that he died in the ring, so a blurb might actually be the way to go here even if he doesn't meet WP:ITN/DC, but I'm not particularly enthusiastic about either option. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Deaths even during combat sports are actually quite rare, and this one happened in a scripted version of wrestling. Nergaal (talk) 06:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- I would say this should be a blurb if posted, due to being sudden, unexpected, and an unusual passing(during his work) but like Bongwarrior I know little of Mexican pro wrestling and am not sure he is considered significant to it. 331dot (talk) 07:23, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- After some thought, support blurb. This shouldn't be approached as a regular death listing - as I said above, I suspect he wouldn't qualify, although I could certainly be wrong about that. The notable aspect of this story is that a sportsperson died during a match, although studio wrestling doesn't exactly match the definition of "sport" as we know it. Deaths in wrestling aren't unheard of, but they aren't exactly commonplace either. This seems interesting enough to me, and it's getting coverage. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
I will support this for reasons similar to those of Bongwarrior, and I have suggested a blurb(please change if needed). There is one citation needed tag in the death section but otherwise there seems to be enough added to the page about it. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Sad, but a wrestler died in a wrestling accident. Similarly, we don't generally post deaths in boxing accidents or any other potentially deadly sport (maybe except Formula 1). Weak oppose because I don't know the scale of his fame. If Muhammad Ali or Tyson would have died after boxing accident in their prime, then we'd certainly have posted them, but not sure whether this merits. Brandmeister 08:25, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- support - article ready basically, notable subject.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:31, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- oppose for blurb and weak oppose for RD on notability. Was this guy one of the top luchadores at the time of his death? μηδείς (talk) 18:31, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose unless someone can adequately demonstrate that he was the Mexican equivalent of Hulk Hogan. The article is well referenced but is full of awfully non-encyclopedic language and hardly rises to the level of a "quality article". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose – Wrestling rings are typically constructed to provide some give, particularly with respect to taking bumps, but also with other aspects of movement. In Mexico, like with other places in the world which thrive on unorthodox wrestling styles, the highly acrobatic style known as lucha libre came to be largely due to the hardness of the rings (boxing rings may be used at times), given the physical toll involved in wrestling a more mainstream style. While shocking, this could qualify as not so unexpected due to those conditions. I wouldn't consider this death as spectacular or possibly even as well-reported as that of Oro over two decades ago, more like a freak accident. While a major star, I likewise wouldn't consider him iconic the way I would Mil Máscaras. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 08:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - even as a member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Professional wrestling like RadioKAOS above, I've actually only vaguely heard of this guy (or more probably, heard of his wrestler father). He might have been a star in Mexico (but I don't think he won many major titles), but he wasn't an international star in professional wrestling. In this day, you'd pretty much have to be a wrestler who has wrestled in WWE to be an international star. NJPW in Japan is a way away. Mexican lucha libre doesn't have much international outreach. I agree with RadioKAOS - if it were Mil Máscaras, it would be another issue - that's a true star. Or maybe Rey Mysterio Jr. who was with WWE. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 12:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- EDIT: Upon further reading, seems to me that Aguayo Jr. was indeed pretty big in Mexico in 2004-2008 at least, perhaps even the #2 wrestler. I wasn't actively watching or reading about wrestling in that time. But he was still not the #1 star at the time, that would be Mistico. Other Mexican stars include Jr's dad Perro Aguayo and Konnan in the 1990s. If you're talking Japan, see Antonio Inoki, while Keiji Mutoh has had a lot of international exposure. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 12:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. As I read the above comments, I find myself opposing this more. 331dot (talk) 12:32, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support pending article quality A death during a professional sporting event is extremely rare; all the same arguments for posting the death of Phil Hughes apply here. I do, however, note TRM's concerns over article quality. GoldenRing (talk) 04:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
2015 New York City house fire
No consensus to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: 2015 New York City house fire (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A fire in New York City kills seven children. (Post) News source(s): New York Times CNN BBC Credits:
Nominator's comments: Worst fire in NYC in seven years. Coverage from most major newspapers, including non-American ones. Everymorning talk 02:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Tragic event, but nowhere near far-reaching significance for inclusion on ITN. --MASEM (t) 02:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - Certainly tragic, but fires that kill this many people routinely happen all over the world. --Bongwarrior (talk) 02:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose no interest to international Wikipedians. -- Aronzak (talk) 03:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- How do you know? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 05:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Aronzak: And though I too think this doesn't rise to ITN level, international interest is not required; events can relate to few or one country(any country) and still be posted if they are updated, covered in the news and sufficiently notable. As stated above, "Please do not complain about an event only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." (though your comment is not a "complaint") Two UK news sources seem to think it is of interest to their readers. 331dot (talk) 07:19, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- The article is being considered for deletion per WP:EVENT and WP:NOTNEWS. A 2012 factory fire that killed over 120 in Bangladesh was notable because factories in Bangladesh produce goods shipped all over the world. I should clarify, by "no interest" I meant "not ITN worthy outside the country" (unlike if it is clearly related to corruption in Bandladesh and international discussion around consumerism and globalisation). Admins can hat this section as going offtopic -- Aronzak (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Strong oppose and delete. This is a tragic event but this unfortunately happens far to often. —Jonny Nixon - (Talk) 07:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Deletion of the article should be discussed in the correct forum; this is merely to discuss posting to ITN. 331dot (talk) 07:46, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- If ITN has a red-link, that could make Misplaced Pages look silly. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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Capital of Yemen
Article: Yemen (talk · history · tag) Blurb: President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi declares Aden to be the temporary capital of Yemen. (Post) News source(s): Deutsche Welle Associated Press Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: Designation of a new, albeit temporary, capital city by Yemen's internationally recognized president. -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support: Important news in war-stricken state. I would also support a "Yemen crisis" in ongoing, as things are becoming serious out there. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support. Interesting. Feels ITN/R-y, though I suppose something as infrequent as a capital change doesn't need a listing. Joshua Garner (talk) 22:24, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support - important news. interesting..etc.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Article has a well deserved orange tag for lacking sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Is al-Hadi still even the President? He said he resigned a month ago. The Houthis hold the power in the real capital, Sana'a. This seems like a desperation move that won't have any real influence on the current situation in the country. I do support adding the Crisis in Yemen to the Ongoing list, however. --Tocino 01:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Whether he is President or not seems unclear; he 'rescinded' his resignation but the Houthis apparently are still trying to run the country- though he is still recognized by the international community as President. Hard to say. 331dot (talk) 07:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
2015 Six Nations Championship
Article: 2015 Six Nations Championship (talk · history · tag) Blurb: In rugby union, Ireland win the Six Nations Championship (Post) Credits:
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Recurring sports item '''tAD''' (talk) 19:41, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- The article has 945 bites of prose. Surely we can do better before posting. Otherwise I'll oppose on quality. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support: an exhilarating and exciting championship that wasn't decided until the closing seconds of the final game. A total of 660 points across the 15 games, yielding an incredible average 44 points per game. A beautifully clear, well-constructed and meticulously accurate article, with links to every official match report. Not sure that any amount of "prose" could adequately describe the progress or outcome of this competition. And why should it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Because as somebody who doesn't know the intricacies of rugby, all I see are these images that convey no context to me and I can't follow any of it. This article needs prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Suggest you start here. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- People who would see 2015 Six Nations Championship on the main page shouldn't be expected to look for Rugby union. They should be able to click on the link and understand enough from that one page alone. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Just like 2014 World Series? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:50, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- 2014 World Series has 25kb prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- And that explains "all the intricacies", yes? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- I never said "all the intricacies" should be explained. 2014 WS was sufficiently updated with prose. As everyone else agrees, this article is not. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Three people agree. Two people think the proposed blurb is fully supported by the update. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Oppose, until expansion. One hundred and fifty words and a wall of tables. No match summaries; no background; no general summary, etc... Seattle (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose at the moment. Given the absolutely incredible last day of games, in which (I think I'm right in saying) 27 tries were scored across the three matches, we could use some summary of the final week section at the very least. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
RD: Chuck Bednarik
Article: Chuck Bednarik (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Guardian Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Pro football player - Pro and College hall of famer. Eagles #60 retired. Namesake of the Chuck Bednarik Award for college defensive players. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support when improved Legendary American football player meets the death criteria. Article needs improvements, especially in sourcing. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose a seemingly prominent American footballer with a strikingly weak article. The "Pro football career" section requires serious sourcing, and, given the alleged significance, a substantial expansion, particularly as it's comparable in size to the rather odd (and full of unattributed unreferenced quotes) "Opinions on current NFL players" section. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support if improved a famous name in football, enough so that I who don't follow the support know who he is, but it's obvious the article needs refs. μηδείς (talk) 21:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support WWII pilot, number one overall draft pick, the last two-way player at his position, Hall of Famer, relevant in the sport even fifty years after he retired, it's clear Bednarik is noteworthy. The article has been improved in the last 24 hours as well. --Tocino 01:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality alone. Large stretches of unreferenced claims with contentious language. Notable subject or not, it's a mess. Challenger l (talk) 10:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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- To resolve claims they were misled about the company's subprime mortgage exposure, a U.S. District Court Judge, Laura Swain approves a settlement between shareholders and American multinational insurer AIG, providing for a payout of $970.5 million. (Reuters).
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Keith O'Brien resigns
No consensus to post. Spencer 01:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Keith O'Brien (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Scottish prelate Keith O'Brien resigns the rights and privileges he had as a cardinal in the Catholic Church. (Post) Alternative blurb: Keith O'Brien resigns the privileges he had as a Catholic cardinal after admissions of sexual misconduct News source(s): US News & World Report Wall Street Journal The Guardian Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is the first time a cardinal has been demoted in this way since 1927, according to the Wall Street Journal. He is technically still a cardinal, but he will "lose the prerogatives ordinarily attached to it" (again according to the WSJ). Everymorning talk 22:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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2015 Sana'a mosque bombings
Article: 2015 Sana'a mosque bombings (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Suicide bombings in two mosques in Sana'a, Yemen, kill more than 130 people. (Post) Alternative blurb: More than 130 die in coordinated suicide bombings by Islamic State terrorists at mosques in Sana'a, Yemen. News source(s): The Guardian CNN Al Jazeera USA TodayAl Bawaba Fox News Credits:
Nominator's comments: Major terrorist attack by ISIS. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support as mass-casualty attack, although I'd prefer ongoing status for the Yemen events. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:26, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support though would like to see the article expanded more before posting. Should we note that ISIS has claimed responsibility for this? --MASEM (t) 18:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support. I actually edit conflicted in attempting to nominate the same thing. If the current numbers hold up (130+ dead, 340+ wounded), this attack appears likely to eclipse the 2012 Sana'a military bombing as the bloodiest terrorist attack in the history of Yemen. ISIS has publicly claimed responsibility. Admittedly, Yemen is a violence prone area, but this is an exceptional event even for that region. Dragons flight (talk) 18:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Query. Wasn't it four bombs at two mosques? The suggested blurb says four mosques, which I believe is inaccurate. Dragons flight (talk) 18:36, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support first blurb, oppose alt blurb (at this time). It is not yet known exactly which group carried out the bombing, as mentioned in the article. Mamyles (talk) 19:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- I recommend changing the first blurb to have the number be less absolute. The number of deaths is rapidly changing at this point. I've changed it to say "kill more than 130 people." Mamyles (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Rae Bareli Derail
Articles: 2015 Uttar Pradesh train accident (talk · history · tag) and List of Indian rail incidents (talk · history · tag) Blurb: About thirty die as a train derails in Rae Bareli. (Post) Alternative blurb: A train crash in Uttar Pradesh, India kills 58 people. News source(s): IE Many more Credits:
-The Herald my strength 12:40, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Exactly. But its a stub and I spotted it now. -The Herald my strength 13:21, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Not a stub now! Mjroots (talk) 21:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- I'd say it's fairly close to being ready. The article was two sentences when I looked at it earlier, so very nice work by everyone there. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Significant transport accident, and very much in line with the types of incidents we normally post. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support - whilst train crashes in India are not that rare, this one has a higher death toll than most. Mjroots (talk) 07:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose in current state. The article is still a bit small, and the text is just a series of disjointed sentences along the lines of "Photographs show that the carriage next to the locomotive was severely telescoped." Also, rail accidents are unfortunately not rare in India, and unless there's something more notable, like a criminal act, or odd cause or notable death it seems just to be a traffic accident (no disrespect) that will be unlikely to draw much encyclopedic attention. (I.e., "not the news") μηδείς (talk) 18:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- I do, on many occasions, improve articles that are nominated and borderline for quality. But given I feel this lacks sufficient notability I would rather spend my time elsewhere. You'll note I opposed the Metro North derailment (fewer casualties) vehemently, and am normally on the side of not posting transportation accidents unless there is some more notable issue like criminality, an inordinate death toll, or an already notable victim. I know this matter hits home for the victims and locally, and I certainly mean no disrespect, but in the long perspective it doesn't reach the "showcase" level. μηδείς (talk) 20:41, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Solar eclipse
Article: Solar eclipse of March 20, 2015 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A solar eclipse is visible across much of Europe, with totality over the north Atlantic. (Post) Alternative blurb: A solar eclipse is visible across much of Europe, with totality over the Faroe Islands and Svalbard Alternative blurb II: A solar eclipse is being masked by clouds across the United Kingdom. Alternative blurb III: The northern of part of the United Kingdom will be even duller than normal for a while this morning. News source(s): BBC, The Guardian The Telegraph Credits:
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: There will be plenty of photos shortly, I imagine. Smurrayinchester 08:06, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support in principle. The last total solar eclipse observable from Europe until 2026 is very notable.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support ALT blurb added. Mjroots (talk) 09:15, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support The Wiki Gods are angry. Lugnuts 10:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support to blurb 1 or 2. Laughed hard at alt 3. Greetings from a greyer than usual Berlin. Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support article quality is good, prefer shortness of blurb 1. -- Aronzak (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support - interesting, notable---BabbaQ (talk) 11:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. I live in the United Kingdom and saw the eclipse fine, even if I did have to look at people through a spot of purple for about half an hour afterwards. Unless we're saying that anything outside London doesn't really count, which is fair enough I suppose. Formerip (talk) 11:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Posting, I'll go with the places blurb. --Tone 13:08, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: A lot of cloud cover in Yorkshire, although there I was able to get a lucky break about ten minutes before the peak. Sceptre 17:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
RD: Malcolm Fraser
Article: Malcolm Fraser (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former PM of Australia. MASEM (t) 23:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support pending updates. Former leader of a major industrialized country, seems an obvious RD candidate. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Obvious support on importance, but the article needs referencing throughout. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:14, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support former head of government of a major nation. Article is in great shape too. GA nomination any time soon? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support per nom. RIP —Jonny Nixon - (Talk) 06:37, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support 4th longest serving of 28 PMs, elected three times. --ELEKHH 07:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support Head of government of a major nation. Citation tags can be fixed.-- Aronzak (talk) 08:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Posted — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 14:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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Arctic sea ice hits record low
No consensus to post. Spencer 01:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Arctic ice pack (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The National Snow and Ice Data Center announces that Arctic sea ice has reached the lowest extent for the winter season since satellite measurements began in 1979. (Post) News source(s): BBC CNN The Guardian Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: The lowest extent in over 30 years seems to be a significant development as far as global warming is concerned. Everymorning talk 12:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Climate change is a cycle played out over hundreds of years, so I'd imagine this isn't just some spike happening this year alone, but rather a steady decline over those 30 years. In such a case, this is just an arbitrary milestone. - Floydian ¢ 16:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose "since 1979" says it all. A statistic based on how long we've been looking for something is interesting on the same principle behind why babies are fascinated by peekaboo. μηδείς (talk) 18:01, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Aftermath of the 2014–15 Yemeni coup d'état (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Ongoing (Post) Credits:
Today, one or more warplanes raided the palace of recently deposed president, Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, in Aden after his relocation there and cancelling of his resignation following the military coup earlier this year. In addition, special forces loyal to Ali Abdullah Saleh, who led the country during the 2011–12 revolt against his rule and is now loyal to the Houthis who are currently in control of the capital Sanaa, have clashed today with troops loyal to Hadi in Aden, and were eventually expelled from the city. Things are expected to develop further there, so this is why I chose Ongoing rather than a blurb. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 20:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)`
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warned of an 'upcoming flood' of attacks against Houthi rebels. If you insist that this should be a blurb instead, please feel free to propose one. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- I couldn't find one, so put in a request at T:ITN_candidate. I'll publicize this on WT:ITN as well. Mamyles (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Treaty signed integrating South Ossetia into the Russian Federation
Article: South Ossetia (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Vladimir Putin signs a treaty integrating South Ossetia into the Russian Federation, to the protest of the European Union and United States. (Post) News source(s): Yahoo news, Al-Jazeera, Irish Times, WSJ Credits:
Nominator's comments: Seems like a major change in an already volatile region. The blurb can also be reworded to mention that the treaty unifies the military, economy and various government agencies of the two states. --benlisquareT•C•E 03:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: I think I've been doing most of the work on updating South Ossetian articles with the new developments today; personally, I would suggest South Ossetia as the linked article instead of the relations page, which has a lot of preexisting issues. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:48, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. The provided news sources state that the treaty "calls for nearly full integration" while the blurb suggests that the treaty accomplishes that already. A country formally adding part of another (or just another if you take the Russian position that S.O. is a country) to its territory is notable but the blurb might need to be changed here. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Next stop, the Sudetenland! I am of a mixed opinion on this. The annexation is already a fait accompli. It's not a major news story (i.e., front apge) in the US, while Mrs. Obabama's having tripped while trying to curtsey in high heels is. I am leaning towards support based on the historical significance, Putin seems like Hitler, trying to get back his "homeland" after it had been dismantled. But the Ossetes are hardly Russians. Last I remember the area had a population of 50,000. μηδείς (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- support - as it is a result of a very publicized war in 2008. a greater context.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Technically, South Ossetia didn't sign an accession treaty incorporating it into Russia as a new federal subject, like Crimea did. As such, less notable, yet expectable move from Putler. Brandmeister 20:51, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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- "Putler"? You win an *AWARD* for that! μηδείς (talk) 21:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- In Russian it's a fairly well-known variation actually. Aside from Sudetenland, compare his first appointment by Yeltsin to the transfer of power from Paul von Hindenburg to Hitler, Yanukovych's escape from Ukraine to Gran Sasso raid, Sochi Olympics to Berlin Olympics, Chechen units from Russia in Ukraine to Hilfswilligen, Russia Today to Germany Calling, Dmitri Kiselev to Goebbels and female Putin's Army to the League of German Girls, while Putin is known to speak German fluently. Déjà vu. Brandmeister 21:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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- Kraft Foods Group Inc. recalls more than 6.5 million 7.25-ounce (0.2-kilogram) boxes of its macaroni and cheese after customers reported finding small pieces of metal inside. The recalled products were shipped nationwide in the U.S. as well as to some countries in South America and the Caribbean. (Bloomberg via MSN)
- A study in the medical journal The Lancet states that babies who are breastfed were more likely to have higher IQs, spend more time in school, and end up in higher-paying jobs. (Quartz via MSN) (The Lancet)
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2015 Gothenburg pub shooting
No consensus to post. Spencer 16:21, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: 2015 Gothenburg pub shooting (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A shooting in Gothenburg, Sweden kills at least two people and injures at least ten. (Post) News source(s): The Guardian Express USA Today The Guardian again Credits:
Nominator's comments: Only two deaths so far, but the death toll is expected to rise (see first Guardian link above). Everymorning talk 12:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: This incident does not seem to have been reported as universally as yesterday's tragedy in Tunisia. Given as media is often accused of focussing on the West more than the rest of the world, that's quite a sign that this isn't a major new story. Still RIP to those taken and condolences to all that knew them. '''tAD''' (talk) 12:50, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: Reading the Guardian, this sounds like domestic-level problems "There have been dozens of shootings involving criminal gangs in Gothenburg, many of them in the Biskopsgaarden area - a housing estate with a large immigrant population and high unemployment - in recent years, however fatalities are relatively rare." So while deaths are rare, the violence is not a surprise, akin to how we look at shootings in the US nowadays. Tragic, unfortunately, but nothing akin to the scale of terrorism ala the Tunis shootings. --MASEM (t) 14:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- support - as a really unusual incident in Sweden. Sweden is not USA we dont have alot of mass shootings. --BabbaQ (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. No lasting impact, simple criminal activity. If it is shown to be terrorism I will change my notvote to neutral; even as a terrorist attack it is minor. Abductive (reasoning) 17:44, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. Yes, this would be rare in Sweden, but by all accounts it looks like a 'normal' criminal incident. Not particularly newsworthy. 82.21.7.184 (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree that this seems to be a routine criminal case. Mamyles (talk) 20:25, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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Tunis museum shootings
Article: 2015 Tunis hostage crisis (talk · history · tag) Blurb: At least 19 people are killed and 22 injured by militants during a hostage crisis at the Bardo National Museum in Tunis, Tunisia (Post) News source(s): BBC, BBC live feed, NYTimes Credits:
Article needs updating MASEM (t) 13:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support once fleshed out. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:28, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment It sounds like the situation is over (the two militants have been killed along with an officer, in addition to the 8 above), so we should start getting more information here. Note that 7 of the killed hostages were tourists visiting the museum, and as pointed out by the BBC article, this is literally next door to the main legislative building of Tunisia at the same time they were discussing anti-terrorism laws. --MASEM (t) 14:45, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support when article is un-stubbed. Despite the usual flurry on deadly attacks, editing has been slow today. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - Most sources - albeit only three hours since the attack - say 11 dead (8 tourist, 2 perps and one officer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Almightey Drill (talk • contribs) 10:10, March 18, 2015
- Support: Major news worldwide. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 17:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support for same reasons as above. Article looks ready, marking as such. Mamyles (talk) 17:57, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support per above, and I agree the article is filled in enough to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 18:37, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment The article has been moved (w/ redirect) to Bardo National Museum attack, could an admin adjust this in the ITN blurb? --MASEM (t) 19:26, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Seat of the European Central Bank opening
Article: Seat of the European Central Bank (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The Seat of the European Central Bank (pictured) in Frankfurt, Germany, officially opens amidst anti-capitalist and anti-Troika protests and riots. (Post) Alternative blurb: The Seat of the European Central Bank (pictured) in Frankfurt, Germany, officially opens amidst anti-austerity protests organized by Blockupy. News source(s): Deutsche Welle, Telegraph Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: Apart from being a story in itself (significant step in the development of the European Central Bank/Eurozone, and large riots in a major European city), it ties into the current much larger Euro crisis, and particularly the state of relations between Germany and other European nations. Smurrayinchester 09:07, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- As in, "built on the backs of European debtor nations"? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 11:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- I added an altblurb that mentions the name of the group that organized the protests, which seem to be the real story here rather than the opening of the building. Everymorning talk 18:17, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Personal opinions aside, and not forgetting the US national debt is currently around $18 trillion, increasing by $2.3 billion per day, this story doesn't really appear to be in the news at all, at least not headlining. The article is okay, nothing to write home about. Weak oppose from me. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: Doesn't seem to be generating many headlines, and doesn't seem that notable to me. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Israeli legislative election, 2015
The item has been posted, and is not coming down. Further screaming and insulting of admins should be taken to the talk page. μηδείς (talk) 03:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article: Israeli legislative election, 2015 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The ruling Likud party wins the election to the Israeli Knesset (Post) Alternative blurb: The ruling party Likud, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, wins plurality in the Israeli Knesset. News source(s): BBC, Jerusalem Post, Al Jazeera Credits:
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Recurring item. Likud has won the most votes in the election, but a government has not been formed, thus the Prime Minister may or may not change yet. '''tAD''' (talk) 06:58, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Wait: Likud has clearly won the largest number of seats, but it still only has about a quarter of the Knesset's mandates, and it is far from clear who will form the next government. (From what I'm reading, Likud has the obvious advantage, but it basically depends on what the centrist, Arab, and ultra-Orthodox parties do.) -Kudzu1 (talk) 07:17, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: I am inclined to wait, as suggested by Kudzu1. But if the process of forming a coaltion is likely to be a drawn out affair (I'm not saying that it will be), would this news be notable separate from the forming of the government? If so, could this be posted now, then replaced if a government is formed whilst it is still on the front page? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support in principle. I think the blurb should be modified a bit to comply with the wording we usually use when posting elections.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support posting election now (the election itself is clearly in the current news cycle, so interest in the article will be high). We can cross the bridge of formation of a government when it happens, and depending on the time scale there are a number of options on how to handle that, but I see no benefit to not posting this today. --Jayron32 13:02, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support As far as elections in non-English speaking countries go, this is a very good article.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 13:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support alt. – Regional & international political significance. Suggest slight revision of word order: The ruling Likud party.... Sca (talk) 13:32, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support alternate The "plurality" part is crucial. Joshua Garner (talk) 14:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Ready 10kb expansion since yesterday. (Support Alt) μηδείς (talk) 17:26, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 18:37, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Question for those familiar with the use of the term "plurality", should it really be "wins a plurality"? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- It appears to be the case. Perhaps we can double check these things in future before rushing them to the main page? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:12, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- I though we weren't using 'plurality' any more anyway? It's a very region-specific term. There are perfectly good widely recognised alternatives, such a 'relative majority' or even a simple phrasing such as 'Likud wins the most votes' etc. 82.21.7.184 (talk) 22:21, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Given it's wikilinked, I think it's fine. You'd have the same issue in reverse with "relative majority". (I'm not American and I've only heard of plurality.) wctaiwan (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Did you even SEE the article before posting? Wheres the update? The results don't even have the seats listed and there is nothing else for an update.120.62.27.248 (talk) 03:05, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Here's 10kb of updating since 17 March. μηδείς (talk) 03:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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