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Again, welcome! Vanjagenije (talk) 09:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much Vanjagenije, to be honest, with my professional life as is at present, time just doesn't permit me to edit here or even be online as much as I'd like to. As a result, my number of edits for the time my account has been active is relatively few (spread out), so I am not surprised I haven't registered with many people! Still! Not to worry, thanks for the kind message. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 14:52, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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Marko and Novak Đoković

Conversation originally launched at User talk:Soundwaweserb

Hello, could you explain why you reverted my edits +. No summary was provided in either case. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 07:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

She is Serbian. Their mother was born in Belgrade, Serbia. Best regards.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 12:15, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

She was indeed born in Serbia, but place of origin does not determine ethnicity, if it did there would have been no ethnic wars in the 1990s in Yugoslavia. Ultimately it is how they identify, and Dijana's background is public knowledge. See this link --Oranges Juicy (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

No, she's declared as Serbian, she is Serbian citizen. This reference is not relevant, and his mother was not born in Croatia. Because of all, that categories can't be in the article.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 15:19, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes we have established where she was born, but as I said, that is not the essential factor here. If a Croatian person has a parent among the Serbs of Croatia then he will be presented as being of Serbian descent. So let's leave that irrelevant topic. Even if Dijana actually declares herself Serb, do you have a source to clarify that? I've certainly never encountered any such statement. In any case, what she personally calls herself would not be relevant since her own parents would be Croatian thus still making Novak and Marko part Croatian. There is certainly no denial of that status from Dijana or anybody close to her. People from Vinkovci (parental origin town) could easily be Serbs but if this were the case, it would never have been stated that Dijana is of Croatian origin, but rather of Serbian origin from Croatia. I must insist now that we return the category to each subject and to their younger brother should he ever have an article. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 06:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Please stop, she is born in Serbia, she is Serbian, and also Novak is Serbian . Ja sam Srbin. Ponosan sam na svoje korijene.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 12:18, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

But those are the words of Novak, they do not aspire to deny his own roots, and I'm not even going to explore any further the "born in Serbia" status. Most of the UÇK were also born in Serbia. Novak can identify as he pleases, I respect that but with regards descent, he is Croatian on his mother's side and Montenegrin of his father's. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 12:27, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

That's not true. These are rumors. Please believe me, his parents is Serbs and born in Serbia.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 13:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I've been looking and it is poorly sourced, but nothing this widespread can be a rumour, and with the name Žagar there can hardly be any doubt. It is not acknowledged that she is Serb anywhere. I am going to leave it until a reliable source can be found. I'm sure one will turn up in due course. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 13:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Bosniaks

Thank you for your edits on the Bosniaks article :).--Sabahudin9 (talk) 19:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

re:Name

Changed it. It was first AnulManul, then I changed it to Yerevani Axjik, which nobody couldn't remember... so I changed my name for a second time to AnulBanul. --AnulBanul (talk) 11:44, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh I see. It threw me off track for a moment, I thought have we got two female editors with the same name from the same country both with interests in Serbia? I didn't suspect multiple accounts hence why I asked you. I see anyway from the editing history that it is the same account. Good luck with the new nom de guerre (j/k). --Oranges Juicy (talk) 12:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Kumanovo edit

Re your edit here at Kumanovo. This edit appears to be largely copied from the lede of the Kumanovo shootings page. (I recognise it because I made this edit there, including where the lede says "During a police raid on 9 May 2015,..." ) You should provide 'attribution' to the version of that page it came from, if you 'borrow' from it. See WP:Copying within Misplaced Pages which should tell you anything you need to know. 220 of 15:33, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for raising this point Borg, and accept my humblest apologies for plagiarising! For that is exactly what it is. In all honesty, it is not the only occasion where I have pasted. You'll appreciate that for all practical reasons the transferred version was edited to fit the article but from here on I will follow the protocols. Thanks. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 06:16, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

No worries, you're fairly 'noobish' so no big deal. I personally don't mind being 'plagiarised' in such a minor way. (Some editors 'borrow' whole articles!) Though, someone else didn't like my edit that much and reverted my changes to the Kumanovo shootings lead! 220 of 06:30, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

No I realised from the tone of your first post you felt pleased someone appreciates your works! It is better to be edited than have your whole section removed I'd say - because that way, the core of the contribution is still there - but we'll have to work together (all of us) to decide on what is best. I'll have a look now at your original edit to see how best I think it should be, because whatever happens, it will have to be mirrored where I pasted it, otherwise they may run counter to one another. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 06:35, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

What ever you want to do. The topic area of 'Macedonia' is proving a bit too 'controversial' for me. (And I am on the other side of the world, so don't know much about it) A number of rather un-notable pages are being created by editors who seem to have a bit of a POV. I try to stay away from such areas. 220 of 06:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

How very commendable of you to willingly step back. I'm afraid that is the way Balkan politics goes, unfortunate I know. Although I have lived in Britain for just over 15 years now, I am someone with his origins in the region, Mostar to be precise, I didn't leave because of fighting, my background is believe it or not volleyball and I came here originally to promote the sport among females (though I am a man myself) after a shoulder injury put an end to my hopes of making it BIG. Either way, the Balkans is the only thing I know well enough to share with the world. I think it is nice that outsiders take part and deliver contributions and the rest of us should be grateful. But as you say, when you live so remote from the area and the topic is fuelled by "dislike of the rival", it is going to be very hard to make your mark. It would be the same for me if I asserted myself on South and Central American affairs, yes I have some knowledge but I'd be certain to run into disagreement somewhere down the line. Thanks all the same 220, I do hope you keep contributing on the articles, the longer we all hang around the more we learn! --Oranges Juicy (talk) 06:57, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Re:Kosovo category

I actually don't remember adding that but if it was months ago, I guess that might be true. Also, I don't really prefer "Jackninja". You can just call me Jack or Jackninja5 and between you and me, I actually don't think of Kosovo as a country. :P Jackninja5 (talk) 02:17, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

To Iryna Harpy

Thanks for the information provided at Talk:Kosovo. You must forgive me but I am not sure what you meant by noticeboard, and I haven't realised that any of my editing may be in any way repetitive - that's not to say I haven't clung on to some issues. I accept that my posts were very long but this is because I was trying to address the matters cited in edit summaries and by editors to have posted on the subject prior to my involvement. To blast everything into one small paragraph might seem a bit curt. Obviously I make no secret of that fact that I have a view on the matter as to which way it goes but I have tried to substantiate this by providing a wealth of other examples. That is aiming for consistency if nothing more. I must admit, I have been reading the rules for the site and there is no simple way around things. To give you an example, you can circumvent WP:3RR if WP:IAR applies and you suspect WP:V problems, and your opponent can do the same by placing his own spin with WP:SYNTH or the like and in the end, some people will agree with party A and the others with party B. Thank you for assuming good faith. Please tell me what you feel I could do to both make my point and take cognisance of policies. Thanks. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 15:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Please make no mistake in my understanding that you are acting in good faith. I just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that opponents to your perspective could take you to task over such matters. Working predominantly on Eastern European articles, I'm all too well acquainted with how contributors WP:GAME in order to WP:PUSH their POV. I'm also a stickler for consistency across Misplaced Pages, and don't agree with exceptions to the rule unless there are extraordinary and compelling reasons for divergence (i.e., no census in Ukraine since 2001, therefore certain stats are appallingly dated and supplemented by carefully evaluated, consensus approved RS statistical service polls).

Well, as you're aware, the WP:NPOVN has been used correctly by bobraynor to bring in fresh, neutral editors (which is how I came across this fresh bout of warring). Other options would be a submission to the WP:DRN. What I do know is that it's best to reserve being the elephant in the room for special occasions: ripe for someone who spends much of her time being the elephant in the room.

Apologies for leaving such a terse response, but it's not an appropriate time to leave you a mini-thesis on the ins and outs of editing. I'll be leaving my 2¢ worth either on the Kosovo talk page, or at the notice on the NPOV/N. Cheers for now! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Recent edits

Some solid work you're putting in. Keep it up!--AirWolf 11:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing AirWolf! Copyediting is generally easy for someone living on English-speaking territory and I realise many of the articles are drafted by persons for whom English may not be the first tongue. That is not a problem since what I do is very much on the back of their hard work, but the only thing I need to say is that with regards these basketball/volleyball players, I am not clicking and searching for "edits" but I am reading them as I go along, and where I feel a small edit needs to be made, in it goes! :) Thanks again. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 12:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

✔--AirWolf 21:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Proposition

Thank you for your comment. So, what do you propose? We have a lot of sources that Kosovo is disputed territory. Disputed territory is not a proper legitimate state. "Kosovo government will never gain full control of the disputed territory", "The disputed territory of Kosovo", Quality of Life in Kosovo (Disputed Territory), "Kosovo is a disputed territory following the collapse of Yugoslavia", "Kosovo remains a disputed territory largely because of three conditions", "it has been a highly disputed territory", "from the still-disputed territory of Kosovo". Hmm, i will post that, just to take him off me finally. Very bad editing style he has. --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ) 10:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC)