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{{re|Nishidani}} As this is a dynamic IP address, blocking the user will ineffective. You seem to suggest that this goes beyond the two edits which you've cited; I can't find any because his IP keeps changing. If there are a large quantity of problematic edits, it would be useful if you could post them here. ] <sup>(] • ])</sup> 17:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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    User:Skyerise reported by User:AussieLegend (Result: Discretionary sanctions notification )

    Skyerise has been notified of discretionary sanctions in this topic area. Future similar disruption from anyone who is formally aware of these sanctions should be directed towards Arbitration enforcement requests citing Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Sexology and Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning naming dispute. The conversation is now closed. Ritchie333 09:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
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    Page: CHiPs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (and others - see below)
    User being reported: Skyerise (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    All dates are in (UTC)

    Previous version reverted to: 19:59, 4 June 2015

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 22:03, 4 June 2015
    2. 22:27, 6 June 2015
    3. 14:22, 8 June 2015

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: 08:59, 7 June 2015

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: 01:38, 7 June 2015

    Comments:
    To clarify, this is a report of edit-warring, not a 3RR breach. Skyerise has been very careful to avoid that. However, she continues edit-warring while the matter is under discussion, not only at CHiPs, but at other articles as well. The matter deals with Bruce Jenner, who has changed his name to Caitlyn. Skyerise has been travelling Misplaced Pages, changing all instances of "Bruce Jenner" to "Caitlyn Jenner", adding rather long notes, citing MOS:IDENTITY as justification. This has received significant opposition, resulting in a rather long discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#MOS:IDENTITY clarification. At CHiPs she made the change in this edit, which was subsequently reverted by Knowledgekid87. Rather than discussing this on the talk page, Skyerise simply reverted. Since I felt Knowledgekid87's edit was valid, I reverted asking "If you still disagree, please respect WP:BRD and discuss" in my edit summary. Skyerise did not discuss, instead simply reverting again. Unknown to me at the time, Dennis Bratland subsequently opened a discussion on the article talk page, which Skyerise later posted to. When I saw Skyerise's reversion I reverted to the status quo and left a warning on Skyerise's talk page, which I subsequently clarified, before finding the article talk page discussion and adding my own comments. Skyerise has made no further attempts to discuss this matter on the article's talk page and has subsequently reverted again, while the matter is still under discussion. Skyerise has resisted all attempts to discuss this, reverting every post I have made on her talk page and even asking me not to post there, demonstrating a clear unwillingness to discuss disputed changes. She prefers to simply revert using a MOS guideline as her justification for her edits. CHiPs is not the only page where Skyerise is edit-warring over the same content. Other articles at which she has edit-warred today are:

    It is clear that this is a controversial issue, as evidenced by the discussion at WP:VPP, and Skyerise should be waiting until that discussion is resolved instead of persistently reinserting her clearly disputed edits at multiple articles without consensus. It was only 5 days ago that Skyerise was warned as the result of another report on this page. Clearly she is still testing the limits, this time of what level of edit-warring will be tolerated. --AussieLegend () 15:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

    Just a side note but after she undid my edit I attempted to reach out to her on her talk-page . Because she was making so many changes I was worried something like this might happen given how contested the issue is. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    I note her response to that was simply to delete your edit, as she has done with all of mine, simply stating "fixed" as her edit summary. --AussieLegend () 16:24, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Skyerise has commented more than once that she reverts "once a day", indicating she has a plan to continue to revert, regardless of the discussion on individual talk pages, the discussion at WP:VPP or any other place it might occur. Though not a 3RR breach, it does breach the spirit of policy regarding edit warring. Skyerise has appointed herself the arbiter of what will and won't be done on Misplaced Pages, even though Caitlyn Jenner herself has announced that she considers Caitlyn and Bruce two different people with two different set of accomplishments, and has expressed no interest in having her athletic records listed under the name Caitlyn. (See: here for news regarding the USOC's offer to make the change.) --Drmargi (talk) 19:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    That's misrepresenTation, User:Drmargi, and you know it. I have repeatedly stated that I am editing to the current state of MOS:IDENTITY until such time as it changes. If VPP changes it, I will edit to the new standard and have never said otherwise. Please don't make up stories. Skyerise (talk) 20:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Interjecting here. Never said otherwise? What about "per MOS:IDENTITY" "I will boycott Misplaced Pages and organize protests against it in the LGBT community if this current status quo is overridden by a bunch of testoterone-poisoned jocks." Which you were warned about on your talk page. Full diff at Village pump talk. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Funny how you don't mention my retraction. Also, leaving Misplaced Pages obviously means I would stop making the edits. Duh? Skyerise (talk) 22:35, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Two things. 1) It's still there. Retraction usually requires strikethrough and an apology. I see no strike through and no apology... just you saying it doesn't apply. I see no acknowledgment that what you wrote was wrong. 2) You still said it, so even struck through it would still be valid to counter your "I will edit to the new standard" comment. Whoever closes this will have to make up their own mind as to whether to take it into account. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:20, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    I have added List of athletes on Wheaties boxes as another article at which Skyerise is edit-warring. I haven't, as yet, added Decathlon, which is another, as he has only reverted twice there, so far. --AussieLegend () 20:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Please don't misgender me, you had it right the first time. Skyerise (talk) 20:26, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Warned As Jenner related articles have been authorised for Arbcom discretionary sanctions, I have given a formal notice on Skyerise's talk page of this. She can ignore or revert that notice, or complain that it's intimidating (which, to be fair, it is) but it will mean any further disruption can be dealt with swiftly and with the weight of Arbcom behind it. Ritchie333 17:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
      • I am observing 1RR. And I would like to note that the current state of MOS:IDENTITY supports my edits and that AussieLegend (talk · contribs) is insisting on editing to a possible future decision about this which has not been made yet. Finally, my similar report about reverts by Drmargi (talk · contribs), who made single reverts across around a dozen articles was deemed to not be edit warring. I've feel that AussieLegend's multiple template posts to my talk page and this invalid report to be intimidation attempts. Skyerise (talk) 19:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
        • No, you are not observing the 1RR. You claim you're following 1RR then 8 minutes later repeat a revert for the fourth time with zero discussion. All because nobody's opinion of what MOS:IDENTITY means counts except yours. Extremely bad faith. This is exactly why discretionary sanctions were put into play here: seasoned editors who are otherwise rational, civil, and neutral who suddenly can't control themselves because they can't put aside their own feelings about the article's topic. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:57, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
          • Of course that's 1RR, my last edit to the article was June 6, two days ago. 1RR allows 1 revert per day, it's not edit warring, and doesn't result in edit warring by other parties. It does not disrupt Misplaced Pages. Apparently it just annoys you. Get over it. Skyerise (talk) 20:13, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
            • It's almost like you're utterly surrounded by people who don't understand what things mean, and you have no choice but ignore what they think. When TRUTH is on your side, who needs consensus, am I right? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
              • There we go, making a personal attack, discussing the contributor rather than the contribution. Please review WP:NPA, Dennis Bratland. Thanks! Skyerise (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
                • Let me repeat my "personal attack": You are treating others as if they are ignorant fools, and not respecting their opinions. You are not assuming good faith. You think your interpretation of MOS:IDENTITY or WP:1RR is the only correct one. Would you go and read WP:1RR right now, by the way? All the words, please. Thanks. You've demonstrated a pattern of behaviour that shows you can click that revert button an infinite number of times based solely on your confidence that you're right. This issue is under debate, and has been for some time. You know that. What is the point of carrying on reverting if you know it's unresolved? The point is to bully others. Stop playing the victim. You're not fooling anyone. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
                  • Clearly, the reporter, yourself, and some of the other respondents are not assuming good faith on my part either. I mean what I say: MOS:IDENTITY is the current guideline, and I don't like being bullied by a gang of editors for editing to it, which according to WP:BLP is the right thing to do. Initially I went over the line on one article, reduced to 2RR and then 1RR. If I were not acting in good faith, would I have done that? Skyerise (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
                  • And they are engaging in very typical 'shut down the woman's speech' behaviors. And I've read 1RR. While I have not discussed on all the article talk pages, I am participating in the VPP discussion, as that's where the decision will actually be made, not on the article talk pages. And that last revert was to an anonymous IP, not an editor I am "reverting repeatedly". So unless the discretionary sanctions are specified as a weekly period, I am within the bounds of the sanctions. Your speculations are off the mark. I don't think anyone is an idiot and have any bad or competitive feelings against anyone. I guess your across-the-Internet psychic abilities are simply not as good as you pretend they are. Skyerise (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
                    • Assuming good faith would be to treat others as if their efforts were intended to make the encyclopedia better. Instead of assuming good faith, you assume they know your gender and are disagreeing with you in order to "shut down women's speech". When they revert, it's sexism. When you revert, it's righteous. AGF requires that you find it in your heart to see others as well intentioned as yourself.Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:28, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
                  • (ec)Just to clarify, I've posted precisely two (2) templates to Skyerise's talk page, an edit-warring warning, and notification of this report, which I am required to do. Skyerise removed the latter (which she is allowed to do) with the edit summary, remove notification of invalid edit-warring report from editor who has been asked not to post here. @Skyerise: - I suggest you head to the top of this page and read the "Definition of edit warring". Even if you observe 1RR, you can still be edit-warring by repeatedly overriding the edits of multiple other editors, as you are doing. --AussieLegend () 20:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
        • Skyerise, it should be of concern to all that you don't see your persistent reversion of multiple other editors (not just Drmargi and me!) at multiple articles as edit-warring. You've even gone to the extent of suggesting on Ritchie333's talk page that this is not a valid edit-warring report. This, though, seems to be a disturbingly consistent attitude. An edit on your talk page was reverted with the edit summary, I've joined the discussion on every page where asked, I don't like be misrepresented when the facts showed that to be a misrepresentation itself, as I tried to explain to you. You clearly did not join any discussion before edit-warring. --AussieLegend () 20:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

    Normally I wouldn't add this sort of thing but it seems relevant.... When it comes to edit-warring, Skyrise does not seem able to control herself. At List of The Suite Life on Deck episodes, an article I have edited extensively over the past several years, but which Skyerise has never edited until (coincidentally?) now, Skyrise made this edit, which I reverted, with an explanation. She did open a discussion on the talk page, but without waiting for discussion, reverted. It seems in Skyerise's nature to edit-war and I don't think a DS warning alone will stop that. --AussieLegend () 21:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

    An edit and 1 revert do not edit warring make. It came up on random article, which I use frequently. I'll take it off my watchlist since it bothers you. Skyerise (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    With 2 reverts on it, you are now closer to 3RR than I am. And that's your regular pattern, repeated multiple reversion when another editor does something you don't like. Isn't there an essay on that? Something about a pot? Skyerise (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Dude, you don't need to be tricked into an edit war, you do it constantly. If I gave a shit, I'd go through your edit history. Pretty sure I'd find reportable edit-warring. Skyerise (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Hardly coordination. I saw your continued edit-warring (you know, the edit that resulted in this report) and noticed that Drmargi had reverted your latest edits at one of the articles so I advised Drmargi not to continue reverting and suggested that she could instead comment at this report when it was raised. What's wrong with that? --AussieLegend () 22:11, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    Not for me to say. But as I say, if 1RR on multiple articles is edit-warring, then both you are Drmargi are is equally guilty. See WP:BOOMARANG. Skyerise (talk) 22:15, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    You really don't seem to understand the concept of edit-warring. You've been persistently overriding the edits of multiple editors. And please, don't accuse me of making 1RR edits on multiple articles. The only article I've reverted you on that is related to this is CHiPS. Plenty of other editors have reverted you on the other articles. --AussieLegend () 22:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    My apologies, you are right. You've made two 1RR reverts to CHiPs, with an edit summary that implies we should not maintain current standards simply because a lengthy discussion that might and only might change the standard is underway. It's only Drmargi that been mirroring me in terms of 1RR. You're off the hook. :-) Skyerise (talk) 22:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    While I can appreciate the fact that Jenner has decided to call herself Caitlyn now, the whole situation surrounding Jenner's past accomplishments and credits just screams to me that Skyerise is trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Canuck 22:23, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
    Nope, User:Canuckian89, just applying the very clear guidance as it currently stands at MOS:IDENTITY. If the guidance changes, I will follow it. How is that righting great wrongs? If that were my motivation, which everyone seems so psychic to be able to discern, why would I stop if and when MOS:IDENTITY gets changed? I've repeatedly said my only concern is to meet the current standard of IDENTITY until such time as that changes - if it changes. Yet everyone ignores what I actually say and presumes to know my motivations. You'll see that I've had a "This user believes that we should do no harm on any biographical article" on my user pages for years, and frequently address BLP issues which do not involve transgender people. Skyerise (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
    What is disingenuous about that is that there is no discussion to rewrite MOS:IDENTITY. The proposals all deal with how and where to apply the guideline. The very thing which you are doing -- choosing to apply this guideline Misplaced Pages-wide -- is what is up in the air. Previous discussion of that question reached no consensus. Of course you know all this. But you go on edit-warring as if where the identity guidelines applied -- and in the end, the MOS is only a guideline -- were settled and you are innocently applying unambiguous rules. Not so, and you know it.

    It's also disingenuous to wrap your assumptions about others motives a "pattern" that you'd be "stupid to ignore". But when anyone sees a pattern in your actions, that's denigrated as "psychic." --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    Why don't you bring a few more buddies in, boys? Y'all can discuss your insights and pat yourselves on the back while I take a little Wikibreak. Skyerise (talk) 02:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    That's sexist, and a false accusation of conspiracy, and you don't have a special dispensation to get away with it. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:35, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Either that or you got your way already, even without the backing of a sympathetic admin, since I won't be editing the involved articles while taking a wikibreak, will I? Skyerise (talk) 02:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Getting my way would involve understanding what is actually wrong with this picture. Going away and coming back with the same attitude doesn't fix anything. Those who happen disagree with you are not evil. They're here to build an encyclopedia, same as you. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:28, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    In addition, one of the things Skyerise seems to like to do is "bully" other users by slapping "{{subst:alert|pa}}" on other user's talk pages after they edit pages related to the Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner dispute (at least, that's how I felt when they rudely applied this tag on my talk page). In my mind, this has a chilling effect (similar to WP:NLT, I guess, except, in this case, it's about users editing LGBT pages). From my interactions with Skyerise, I sense that they are not a very compromising person, and Skeyrise just seems to be more interested in getting their way, above all else. For example, these notices they posted over at WT:LGBT: 1 (which looks like a pretty strong case of WP:CANVASS, by the way) and 2. If Skeyrise can't seem to understand that they have to discuss things with other users, and not just slap threatening discretionary sanctions tags on people's talk pages, we might have to consider a full-on LGBT topic-ban. Canuck 05:02, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
    I can attest to that also. You don't find yourself in all that friendly a mood the next time you deal with her. She has some issues working and playing well with others here, often applying labels instead of trying to compromise as we often do at wikipedia. Even in this thread terms like "Why don't you bring a few more buddies in, boys?" or "they are engaging in very typical 'shut down the woman's speech' behaviors", or the Village pump (policy) thread..."I will boycott Misplaced Pages and organize protests against it in the LGBT community" or telling us she needs to bring in more people to "balance out the 'oh, no, I'm not transphobic, I just care about sourcing' crowd"... it's as if she edits with a chip on her shoulder. We all post things from time to time we aren't proud of, heated discussions can sometimes do that. But as I read here this seems to be a common occurrence with Skyerise and this topic. That's not good for Misplaced Pages. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:02, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    What disturbs me, beyond Skyerise's immediate adversarial posture, is her tendency to assume bad faith in everyone while she fires accusations of sexism, transphobia, or whatever else it takes to justify her own actions while diminishing what she sees as her opponents. It's a shame; as a woman, she impresses me as doing more harm than good, and seriously damages some important messages. "The boys" she chips at will take women editors less, not more seriously after her recent postings. --Drmargi (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Skyerise slapped that nasty template on me for an article I had never read, much less edited, then was belligerent because I took issue with that. Why is this behavior still being discussed? Are admins afraid to take action against this editor who is clearly out of line? If I did half of this, I'm pretty sure I would be blocked by now. Jacona (talk) 21:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Well, sadly, what we have around here is a little de-facto policy I call the Corbett Rule. It goes like this: create enough content and most but a brave few admins will turn a blind eye to your bullshit. Sad, but true. --Drmargi (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    I'm not sure that helps either. I have seen many a heavy-content-creator taken down, or admins taking down admins. Do heavy editors get more leeway and a few more chances, perhaps so. But that's true in many walks of life. Do lot's of good and get a few more warnings.. I can live with that. Personally I don't think they give enough warnings or chances here. I hate it when editors get blocked or banned or topic blocked. Multiple administrative warnings first. That might be all that is needed here. If that doesn't work then a second warning. If that doesn't work then after-school detention might be in order. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:Factchecker atyourservice reported by User:Nomoskedasticity (Result:Blocked 1 week )

    Page: When contact changes minds (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Factchecker atyourservice (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. , 11:43, 9 June 2015 ‎ "(Undid revision 666153534 by Nomoskedasticity (talk)"
    2. , 23:36, 8 June 2015‎ "(Undid revision 666110351 by David Eppstein (talk))"
    3. , 23:27, 8 June 2015‎ "(Undid revision 666052001 by David Eppstein (talk) Undo inappropriate and extremely rude edit."
    4. , 12:23, 8 June 2015‎ "(Undid revision 665942660 by 23.242.207.48 (talk) Undo improper and rude removal of relevant, well-sourced content)"


    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

    Article talk page section

    Comments:
    The edit summaries say it all: four instances of "Undid" in <24 hours. A block log with three previous blocks for edit-warring indicates more than adequate awareness of 3RR. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:37, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    • This is very plainly edit warring over a period of three days, crossing the bright line of 3RR within 24 hours, ignoring WP:BRD, and as Lukeno94 so aptly stated, I am surprised that FCAYS is allowed to continue to edit. The disruption, incivility, and inability to edit collaboratively are a constant theme with this editor.- MrX 13:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Blocked – for a period of 1 week -- GB fan 13:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Hope he wasn't late for work... Fortuna 13:16, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:Jytdog and User:Alexbrn reported by User:Anmccaff (Result: )

    I'm afraid the title says it all. Reverts without relevant discussion. Anmccaff (talk) 15:27, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    The original title used by Anmccaff was "user:Jytdog and user:Alexbrn editwarring on South Beach Diet". All I did was fill in the normal report header. EdJohnston (talk) 15:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    User:Anmccaff - You have removed the content four times, Alexbrn and Jytdog have both replaced it twice. None of you are exactly in the right, but the consensus is against you at the moment and you've made the most reverts. Please restart the conversation on the talk page if you wish to carry on arguing your point. SmartSE (talk) 16:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    As I mentioned earlier, there is a very small number of participants, two of whom have a habit of acting in concert. Speaking of "consensus" is a bit pretentious here. That's a side point, however. This is a medically related article, and it should conform to MEDRS, and it clearly does not. Consensus has no more to do with it than it would, for example, in a living person's biography. You don't keep preliminary evaluations a dozen years after they are published, and any open questions in them have been long since answered. You don't credit a minor textbook over a major research group. And you certainly don't call reviewing the literature "OR"; the only way to avoid undue POV is to see what points of view there are, or to plagiarize, or to trust in blind luck. (I don't recommend the latter two.) It is difficult to find recent cites for the article's position except by tendentious searching; it isn't a coincidence that both Jytdog and Alexbrn picked a source that shows on the first page of a google book search for "south Beach" "fad diet." They need to address this, rather than blindly revert, and they need to consider that plastering a user page with templates isn't a form of discussion. Anmccaff (talk) 07:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
    @Anmccaff: There are multiple sources for this as well as the one used in the lede, and it has been discussed to death in Talk & at WT:MED to reach the current consensus. If you really wish to pursue this further please use WP:DR as others have said. Alexbrn (talk) 11:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    There are multiple sources for this as well as the one used in the lede,

    ...most with the same issues, and, far more importantly, outnumbered by better sources that take no particular stand against lowered carbohydrate diets, or actively support them. You have cherrypicked a weak cite from the declining shallows, not the mainstream. The idea that lower-carbohydrate diets are medically dangerous largely died with the Nurses Study analysis, but, as always, some people cling to their old ideas.

    it has been discussed to death...at WT:MED to reach the current consensus. That is, frankly, a lie. One editor requested discussion there twice; there was none there. None whatsoever.

    it has been discussed to death in Talk Where is the question of unacceptably outdated sources addressed in talk?Anmccaff (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    boomerang

    This is the second bogus 3RR case brought by Anmccaff. First one was here Am filing a boomerang case as he is the one slowmo edit warring:
    1. 20 March 2015 diff
    2. 3 April 2015 diff
    3. 17 April 2015 diff
    4. 27 May 2015 diff
    5. 27 May 2015 diff
    6. 9 June 2015 dif
    7. 9 June 2015 dif
    • edit war warning notices:
    • effort to work out on talk page here starting back in march and continuing to subsequent sections. Smartse Anmcalff has been pushing to remove "fad" from article, and wants to add unsourced content like SBD is "no longer considered" a fad diet, which is just OR. I note that issue of "fad diet" has been extensively discussed on the Talk page, going back to last fall (see archives, starting here) when a paid editor was trying to get that term removed. So the issue had been extensively discussed prior to Anmcalff's arrival. The consensus on the page is not something lightly established. Instead of pursuing DR to change the consensus and change the well-sourced content, he has been slowmo edit warring. Please give a short-term block and urge anmcalff to use DR. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:21, 9 June 2015 (UTC) (sorry for all the tweaking. done now. Jytdog (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2015 (UTC)) (strike request to block Jytdog (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC))
    Personally, I don't see the need for a block at the moment and Anmcaff doesn't seem to understand what edit warring is very well. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt but am watching the article, so will take action if necessary. SmartSE (talk) 17:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Thanks. That will do. Please do urge amccaalff to use DR. I have, to no avail. Jytdog (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    "well sourced content?" It included a review of cheap wines. More like "well, soused." Anmccaff (talk) 07:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    Just to be explicitly clear, BTW, as I see it, the boomerang was thrown, so to speak, when you (plural) substituted an edit warring template for substantive discussion. If you do that, expect to come in here. Anmccaff (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    anmccaff we have discussed this issue to death, going back to last fall. either give up graciously or take up some kind WP:DR. but stop just edit warring. please. Jytdog (talk) 04:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    If it means anything, rules or not, ethics or not, by observation over months, I give my full support to Jytdog, any and all of his edits, for standing up against Alecbrn's "rule-justified" bigotry. 99.235.168.199 (talk) 11:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:149.129.32.89 reported by User:ScrapIronIV (Result: Blocked)

    Page: Altay (tank) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: 149.129.32.89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. Reverted User:ScrapIronIV "Do Not Change For Malaysian Army"
    2. Reverted User:Bilcat "This is True,No Change it."
    3. Reverted User:ScrapIronIV "True Is True.Now Stop Playing."
    4. Reverted USer:Cassianto "Did you see +323.I was right"

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: and

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    User has taken the discussion to my user talk page. It has not been duplicated on the article talk page, yet.

    Comments:

    This is content which is inadequately sourced, and which was removed from previous versions of the article. This has been explained to the contributor. Multiple editors have weighed in on this issue, and the user refuses to contibute more than reversions and insistence that they are "right" and "true." This is not the only page where they are edit warring, and includes such edit sommaries as: "Undid Revision By Stupid Unknown Number.Do Not Change It Cause This Picture Are very Simple and Clear Picture.You can Change the Imformation but Can't Change The PICTURE!!!!.Last Warning!" "This Pictures Are not Very Nice and You Need To Stop or I Slap Your Mouth.That Currunt Picrure are sucks and Old Picture are more Nice."

    Blocked – 48 hours. User is warring to add ungrammatical text to the article and is citing a questionable blog source. EdJohnston (talk) 20:09, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:Cebr1979 reported by User:TAnthony (Result: Page protected)

    Page
    Katherine Chancellor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported
    Cebr1979 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Previous version reverted to
    Diffs of the user's reverts
    1. 16:27, 9 June 2015 (UTC) "Yes, they do need to be discussed. And, since the date was at September until Jester started edit warring the other day (it had been at September for months), that's the date it's going to stay at."
    2. 15:27, 9 June 2015 (UTC) "Honestly... just because Jester didn't see the episode doesn't mean in didn't happen. Either that, or he did see it and is just senselessly reverting for the sake of owning the page. He's not giving a reason, he's just reverting. Even though the info i..."
    3. 03:03, 9 June 2015 (UTC) "Those sources have great info about Jeanne Cooper's last airdate. Unfortunately, this is not Jeanne Cooper's page, it's Katherine Chancellor's and the character of Katherine Chancellor was last seen at her own funeral in September. We don't need a sour..."
    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning
    1. 16:04, 9 June 2015 (UTC) "Warning: Violating the three-revert rule on Katherine Chancellor. (TW)"
    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page
    1. 14:32, 9 June 2015 (UTC) "Final appearance"
    2. 16:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC) "/* Final appearance */"
    Comments:

    A discussion on the issue was also previously started at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Soap Operas#Flashbacks. — TAnthony 16:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    I was putting consensus back. Why don't you report your buddy Jester who started edit warring, broke the 3RR, and was doing so without any explanations of his edits, he was just doing it over and over again for no reason.Cebr1979 (talk) 16:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    I warned you both, you broke the rule first. There has been no consensus yet, that is why a discussion is required.— TAnthony 16:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    By consensus were you referring to the fact that you added the info in November 2014 and no one changed it until Jester66 reverted in January 2015? That is not consensus, that is a disagreement that needs to be discussed.— TAnthony 17:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Read the consensus policy please. That actually is a consensus until such time as a discussion has closed. You had no right to change it to May.Cebr1979 (talk) 18:36, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    Then you should have actually engaged in a discussion about it rather than edit war over it with inflammatory edit summaries.— TAnthony 18:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC
    Or: then you should stop showing favouritism with your editing friend instead of just admitting when you were wrong. Also: that message you just left on Jester's talk page all about me is a complete joke and you should consider following your own advice: talk about edits not an editor. Hahaha... wow. You just keep on with whatever you want. I'm not talking to you again.Cebr1979 (talk) 18:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    1. The idea of implicit consensus went out the window when a third editor (me) became involved in the back-and-forth between you and Jester66, as two editors were now challenging your addition.
    2. You still reverted inappropriately, even though you feel you were restoring the article to the "correct" version pending discussion. That is not a thing.
    3. I'm not sure what you mean by favoritism, I warned you both, and you violated 3RR of your own accord, apparently because you could not stand to leave Jester66's revert alone for 24 hours?
    4. My public message to Jester66 was to inform him/her of my actions reporting you for this violation, as well as warning you regarding your personal attack on his/her talk page. My comment that you appear to be a volatile editor is supported by this violation as well as the edit summary diffs I provided here. My comment that I hope you will learn from this and we can all edit harmoniously in the future was genuine.— TAnthony 19:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Page protected – there appears to be a content dispute on the page. Consider dispute resolution. Between the three of you, there was definitely an edit war going on here, but I don't think assigning blame here or blocking people is going to be productive. Cebr1979 (t c), I do want to caution you against sounding like you own an article. Comments like "and that's the way it's going to stay" are both counterproductive to a harmonious environment and likely to incite other editors to prove you wrong. —Darkwind (talk) 01:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    I can accept that, Darkwind, however:

    Let's just be realistic here: TAnthony and his 'holier-than-thou-I'm-a-saviour' attitude leaves something to be desired. I see through it, and I think you do too or you wouldn't have mentioned "the three of us..."

    His edit when he changed the date to May was his way of baiting me and we all know it. I'm not assuming bad faith, I'm using logic! His baiting is evidenced by him saying to me that I "couldn't wait 24 hours..."

    Well... so... what's his reason for not "waiting 24 hours" himself? He made that change knowing it would push my buttons and... his "parenting" me on 4 different talk pages is the proof! "The more people that see me schooling Cebr1979, the more heroic I look!" is what was going through his mind.

    There's not one single excuse in the history of excuses that can explain his edit to that page other than, "He'll react... and then I can be the hero!" I knew I was being baited and I gave him what he wanted.

    Something will happen again someday, and I'll quote this conversation when it does.

    Peace out for now. Cebr1979 (talk) 09:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:RedJulianG40 reported by User:Smallbones (Result: Blocked 24 hours)

    Page: Bantams Banter (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: RedJulianG40 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to: note:first insertion of spam link by RedJulian (not a revert)

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: (same as below) I'll notify him immediately

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    Comments:

    RedJulian said he'd revert me despite that being 4RR (which he did). Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    I don't have a dog in this fight, but it looked to me like a spam link, and it looks to me like 4RR. I'll leave it to the admins here to take care of it. Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:59, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

    • Comment - A request was made at the dispute resolution noticeboard while the deletion request for this article was in progress. It was declined because DRN does not accept cases where an issue is pending in another decision-making forum such as AFD. Now that the AFD has been closed to Keep the article, if the participants want moderated discussion of the text of the article (after one editor comes off block), a new request can be filed at DRN, but DRN is voluntary. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:Debresser reported by User:Khestwol (Result: No violation; Report renewed after recent revert)

    Page: Ramadan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Debresser (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. (new revert after this report was first submitted)

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    Comments: Clear cut violation of WP:3RR. Debresser seems to be repeatedly pushing a certain POV while disruptively edit-warring in the article, as well as other similar articles on topics about monotheistic religions and the Middle East. The history of the Ramadan article shows he has been reverting multiple users persistently. Within a period of 5 minutes, Debresser made 5 reverts, including 3 times reverting me and 2 times reverting Scientus. I strongly recommend that the article needs protection, and he needs a temporary block so that other related articles about Islam, monotheistic religions, and the Middle East are also temporarily protected from Debresser's disruption. Khestwol (talk) 10:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    I quote the 3RR policy: An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert. He did two undos, you did one, he did three, and you did one. For 3RR purposes, that's two reverts, and the page history doesn't give reason for a more generic edit-warring block. Nyttend (talk) 12:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
    Thank you Nyttend though, why do you say: Two reverts? No, he did two full reverts just on me (, ), not one. Both these edits have added the very same content to the article. But as linked above, he also did at least 1 full revert (if you consider , as a single) where he is undoing Scientus. That means, at least 3 full reverts by him, consisting of 5 partial reverts. Khestwol (talk) 13:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
    It's a pair of edits, one by someone else, and then a series of three edits. For 3RR purposes, we don't care how many edits someone makes: we don't care if these changes took one edit or three. Finally, if you insist on me considering this to be three reverts, because it undid three other edits, let me remind you that this edit undid two of his, and this puts you at the brink of 3RR and liable to be blocked for edit-warring too. Nyttend (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    This has still not stopped. Even while on Talk:Ramadan#Name in the lede sentence it was shown to Debresser that his edits were wrong, he is still reverting (his recent revert: ). Hence I am renewing this report because his violation of 3RR was repeated although less than 13 hours had passed since his first revert. Khestwol (talk) 00:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    • No violation. This is still not a violation, as the edit at 14:44 (PDT) was only his third sequence of edits on this page in these 24 hours. His next revert, if any, would be a violation of WP:3RR. In my opinion, this has not reached the level of an edit war, at least not yet. (Ping Nyttend for completeness' sake.) —Darkwind (talk) 01:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    However, Darkwind, I think an admin should tell Debresser to self-revert after consensus at Talk:Ramadan#Name in the lede sentence is clearly against his favor, with he being the only one making changes that are against what Fauzan and me are saying. I have reverted Debresser twice already. He is on the wrong but I do not want edit-wars on the page. Khestwol (talk) 02:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:87.97.198.163 reported by User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (Result: Maybe not a violation, but blocked on other grounds)

    Page
    Medieval Bulgarian army (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported
    87.97.198.163 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Previous version reverted to
    Diffs of the user's reverts
    1. 11:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC) "/* Conflicts */"
    2. 10:43, 10 June 2015 (UTC) "/* Conflicts */"
    3. 10:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC) "/* Conflicts */"
    4. 09:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC) "/* Conflicts */"
    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning
    1. 10:45, 10 June 2015 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring on Medieval Bulgarian army. (TW)"
    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page


    Comments:

    Repeatedly reinserting 6~7K+ bytes worth of unsourced WP:OR, regarding medieval battles. Fortuna 11:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    This kind of page history was confusing enough that I ignored the 3RR issue. Remember that {{uw-unsor4}} is typical final warning that you're about to get blocked — persistent addition of unsourced content is a valid reason for blocking, and this guy was persistent. Nyttend (talk) 12:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:Gal lilos reported by User:Huldra (Result: 24h)

    Page: Tomb of Lazarus (al-Eizariya) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Gal lilos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. diff, 01:01, 10 June 2015: change Palestine into Israel
    2. diff 12:49, 10 June 2015: change Palestine into Israel


    Diff of edit warring / 1RR warning: link


    Comments:
    Article is under 1RR, pr ARBIA

    Comments:
    He writes here on his user page, that "but this is not true. there is no Palestine county. its inside Israel lines. very simple". However, the place has never been officially claimed or annexed by Israel, it is, both by Israeli and International law, part of the occupied Palestinian West Bank. Huldra (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    • No violation. In general, the common interpretation of revert rules generally requires that the material being undone has to have been added recently. Since this page had not been edited in several months prior to Gal lilos (t c)' first edit, the first diff is not a revert per se, and so the second diff is actually his first revert.
    However, his assertion on his talk page regarding the "truth" of his edits is concerning as it implies a lack of understanding of edit warring and consensus, so I will leave a message on his talk page as well. —Darkwind (talk) 22:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
    Edit: Blocked – for a period of 24 hours by ItsZippy (t c) who came to a slightly different conclusion on the implications of Gal lilos (t c)' comments regarding his views on the existence of Palestine. Discussion here. —Darkwind (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    I ended up overlapping with Darwind (blame my slow internet connection) and blocked this user for 24 hours while he was writing this response. See here. ItsZippy 23:18, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:AndyTheGrump reported by User:Habatchii (Result: No violation)

    Page
    .codes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported
    AndyTheGrump (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Previous version reverted to
    Diffs of the user's reverts


    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning


    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page


    Comments:

    The Misplaced Pages user AndyTheGrump apparently has a history of making edit wars without considering courtesy. The page .codes was recently tagged for deletion after nomination for good article was suggested on one of the pages (Electronic harassment (talk)) he was watching/editing. This is a clear case of retaliation and should not be endorsed publicly by Misplaced Pages.

    Please investigate these issues, you will see that the user has a history of similar complaints and barring. Habatchii (talk) 23:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

    • No violation AndyTheGrump has made 0 edits to this page; please only report editors here who are edit warring. ItsZippy 23:23, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
    • (edit conflict) Ummm... User:AndyTheGrump isn't the one who nominated the article for deletion. And this is the noticeboard for edit warring, but there doesn't appear to be any, you know, edit warring going on. Unless I'm missing something, this should be closed, with a note to the filer to be more careful in what he claims. (after e/c:) agree with ItsZippy. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:27, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
    WP:COMPETENCE is required. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    This user is an asset to WP, and has always edited/ posted here in honesty and in good faith, to the best of my knowledge. (Not that he in any way needed my comment here.) Scott P. (talk) 11:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:DaltonCastle reported by User:HughD (Result: Both blocked 48 hours)

    Page: Americans for Prosperity (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: DaltonCastle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Previous version reverted to: 19:22, 10 June 2015

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. 20:48, 10 June 2015
    2. 21:14, 10 June 2015

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: 21:43, 10 June 2015

    Diffs of attempts to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    1. 03:22, 23 May 2015
    2. 19:11, 23 May 2015
    3. 00:16, 24 May 2015

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on reported editor's user talk page:

    1. 01:39, 23 May 2015

    Comments:

    Back 10 days from block, continuation of edit war from report of 21:59, 28 May 2015, please see User:DaltonCastle reported by User:HughD (Result: Blocked). Resume behavior, repeated deletion of the same content and reference as the 28 May report, a succinct statement of a highly significant, widely held point of view on the subject of the article WP:YESPOV, a paraphrase from a highly noteworthy source, the editorial board of The Washington Post, with clear in-text attribution as per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 03:01, 11 June 2015 (UTC) Content and reference originally added 12:15, 1 May 2015. Hugh (talk) 03:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    This is drivel. Hugh is trying to take over control of the article in question and be the sole authority on edits. The block he is referencing (which I believe was made in error and I intend to appeal to the appropriate noticeboard to have removed from my record) was on his talkpage when he continually removed notices of his involvement in edit wars. I hate to take this tone but this editor continues to lash out at me and make disruptive edits to push their POV on the page despite community consensus. DaltonCastle (talk) 03:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    To clarify - I was not blocked for any activity on the AFP page. I was blocked because of activity on HughD's talk page. This user accused me of edit-warring, and I subsequently accused him right back since he was reverting all my edits. I placed an edit-war warning on his talk page. He cleverly removed during his submission on this noticeboard. I determined that he should not be allowed to remove this warning from his talk page while he was involved in the war as well. I was in error in violating the 3rr on his talk page alone (although I believe it was with very good intentions). The block had nothing to do with the AFP article. This user is, once again, attempting to retain complete control over the page. DaltonCastle (talk) 03:14, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    • Both editors blocked – for a period of 48 hours. You are both edit warring on this article, and you both should know better, having each been blocked for edit warring in the past. It is noted for the record that neither one of you technically broke 3RR in this instance, but the behavior is still very clear. —Darkwind (talk) 04:18, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    User:Roshan08.08 reported by User:Sitush (Result: )

    Page: Ujjain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Roshan08.08 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: User_talk:Roshan08.08#Ujjain

    Comments:


    ARBPIA 1R and a non-notifiable editor

    Some one with this type of signature User: 2600:1010:b042:9567:262:2640:1b30:e347 roams around usually reverting or adding pointing phrases (e.g. here). Today he broke the 1R rule at Gilad Shalit

    He has no talk page, so I can't notify him. The edit summaries are evasive.

    Could someone handle this? Nishidani (talk) 15:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

    @Nishidani: As this is a dynamic IP address, blocking the user will ineffective. You seem to suggest that this goes beyond the two edits which you've cited; I can't find any because his IP keeps changing. If there are a large quantity of problematic edits, it would be useful if you could post them here. ItsZippy 17:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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