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:::::::But you aren't really listening to us. Usually, with a lack of sources, we have been adding the diacritic marks. But when we have sources to look at we go with those sources. We tend to have lots of sources when a player wins some Majors. Borg was about 50/50 with the diacritics in English so whoever voted chose to stay with it. French champion Max Décugis was found to have a heavy English spelling of Max Decugis, so that is what we use. The official ATP and ITF websites never use diacritics with Djokovic. Novak Djokovic himself uses Djokovic in English, so we do too. It's the same with Martina Navratilova. We don't spell it as they do in the Czech Republic with Navrátilová. Also with Victoria Azarenka... our article is not at the way it's spelled in Belarus, (Viktoryja Azaranka). ] (]) 22:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::But you aren't really listening to us. Usually, with a lack of sources, we have been adding the diacritic marks. But when we have sources to look at we go with those sources. We tend to have lots of sources when a player wins some Majors. Borg was about 50/50 with the diacritics in English so whoever voted chose to stay with it. French champion Max Décugis was found to have a heavy English spelling of Max Decugis, so that is what we use. The official ATP and ITF websites never use diacritics with Djokovic. Novak Djokovic himself uses Djokovic in English, so we do too. It's the same with Martina Navratilova. We don't spell it as they do in the Czech Republic with Navrátilová. Also with Victoria Azarenka... our article is not at the way it's spelled in Belarus, (Viktoryja Azaranka). ] (]) 22:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::First, cos you are a Serb, I have to tell you something in Serbian: "Sram da te bude i treba da se stidis za sve ovo sto radis, ti si se nasao odje da prekrajas ime Novaka Đokovića. Gori si nego ovi sa srpske Vikipedije." When it comes to Martina Navratilova, she played for USA too, not only for CZE, so again your so called proof is wrong. Bjorn Borg has never been cited with diacritics and you are lier. The only reason here is Djokovic's homeland. Western facists can not stand the fact that a Serb from "nowhere", as they say, is winning their tournaments and their icons like Federer and Nalal, which they proved in the last US Open Finals.
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Donations
I think we should add new section to this article, named Donations. Novak has donated a lot of things numerous times, to Serbian Orthodox Church, for the medical needs for children, with most recent one, 3,000,000 dinars that allowed Serbian team to go to 2015 Special Olympics World Summer Gamesdonations. What do you think? Maybe entire section should be renamed, like Public work (or Off the court), with subsections Sponsorships, Investments, and Donations (or Philanthropy)? --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ)14:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Greatest match
The article says, "with the 2012 Australian Open final being considered the greatest match ever seen".
The page for the 2008 Wimbledon Championships – Men's Singles final says, "It is widely regarded as the greatest match in the history of tennis".
It's clear that the claim on the Wimbledon final article is desperately outdated. The sources used to back it all date to 2009, three years before the aforementioned AO final. Tvx1 17:34, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
The problem is there are many candidates for greatest match since it's such a subjective subject. Neither is correct and neither is wrong. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
In that cause we should change if from the greatest to one of the greatest, which is more neutral. Tvx1 21:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
This is probably a good idea. It's like the greatest player debate. We have quotes from the same authority saying a different player is the greatest ever. When there are multiple quotes with different viewpoints it's best to say "one of the greatest" or perhaps "some sources have called it the greatest." That we could have 5 or 6 matches that say "some sources have called it the greatest" without it stepping on the toes of other greatest matches. heck I watched them both and still have a hard time saying they were any better than witnessing the Borg/McEnroe Wimbledon final from 1980. Or the Federer/Roddick final of 2009. Or the Graf/Navratilova French final of 87. Recent always gets the nod by press and fans though as being the latest and greatest. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I have the exact same opinion as you on those matches. I watched both of them too I and I have a hard time considering them greater than those others you mentioned. In fact, I rate two more Wimbledon finals high up there. The 2001 Ivanisevic/Rafter final, which was another epic thriller which produced a wildcard winning a grand slam title, and the 2014 Federer/Djokovic final which was another epic battle between all-time greats. And the 2007 Federer/Nadal final was quite gripping as well if you ask me. Tvx1 16:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Absolutely true. Of course, yours and my opinions don't matter... only what we can source. But when multiple sources say different matches are the greatest ever, we have to be careful here how we use the term. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Speaking of greatest matches, I have seen one last night that had a quality that I haven't seen that often yet. Tvx1 16:30, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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Please edit the records section as the entry "3+ runner-up finishes at 2 Majors" is now shared by Roger Federer. Please make the corresponding addition to the Federer page as well.
Dhruvanand93 (talk) 11:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
After seing the deleted comment from the IP I must say one simple thing to all this sort of requests in the future: This article will be named the way English-language sources name him, simple. This is English Misplaced Pages and it is written in English. The requests to change the spelling would be just as if someone would come to Serbian Misplaced Pages asking for the article of Vienna (in Serbian Beč) to be renamed Wien just because that is the way it is written in original. No, Beč article will stay as Beč in sr.wiki because that is how the city is named in Serbian, and Novak Đoković article will stay Novak Djokovic because that is the way he is named in English.
The irony here is that we Serbs write foreign names the way we want. So IP, just imagine the opposite situation, a bunch of Americans coming to Serbian Misplaced Pages bitching why Džordž Vašington article isn't written as George Washington. That would be ridiculs, wouldn't be? FkpCascais (talk) 01:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
The thing he was correct about is that we aren't consistent at wikipedia. The sources in English are very consistent but when editors get together to decide on spelling, all hell breaks loose and the voting goes in all sorts of directions. One thing though. A lot of times we also look at a persons official English website or twitter account to see how they spell it in English. Novak officially spells it Djokovic in English. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:51, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Because Novak Đoković is by far the most notable one, and the one that receves enormous ammout of citations, attention and media coverage, so, by simple logic, English-language media used and use a spelling which is more comfortable for them.
There is a parallel situation with Serbian football clubs. Why is only Red Star Belgrade having a translated article title and other Serbian clubs use the original Serbian Latin scrypt name? Well because Red Star is too often cited and English-language sources named the club that way (Red Star Belgrade instead of FK Crvena zvezda), and here on English Misplaced Pages we follow the rule of WP:COMMONNAME for article titles. If Tipsarević, Ćilić etc happened to be written by majority of English-language sources in another way, they would also be renamed to the most common spelling. It really has nothing to do with Đoković or Serbia or Serbs. FkpCascais (talk) 18:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
You need to understand English-language naming conventions for foreign names. For instance, I read somewhere that English-language translates or adapts names of languages that are originally written in a different scrypt than Latin, but tend to use the original names for languages using Latin. Now, in practice this means that Russian football clubs and names are written in proper forms, while the names of, exemple, Austrians, are written in original. Regarding Serbia, English language considers Serbia to be part of the Serbo-Croatian language that uses both Latin and Cyrillic scrypt, however, because it uses Latin, the names are written in original. So that is why most Serbian and Croatian related articles have their titles in S-C original spelling. HOWEVER, there is one exception, which is for names of people or institutions of exceptional importance and which are often cited, then English-language reserves herself the right to name it the way it is more suitable for them, like in the case with Đoković. You can also see the case of Belgrade, which was cited enough times in the past that ended up receiving an English name, versus the cases of Kruševac, Šabac, Niš, etc. which are written in original Serbian Latin spelling. FkpCascais (talk) 18:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
So, this is not at all a case of discrimination or anything else towards Serbia, but you can even see it in a opposite way, English-language community cites Đoković so much that they even adopted him and gave him an adaptation/translation for his name. Someone expert in linguistics could certainly explain this in a simplier and clearer way than me, but I hope I answered the question. FkpCascais (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
It is really all about the amount of citations a foreign name has in English-language publications. If has substantial amount, it may end up receiving an adapted version of spelling which would be more suitable for English-language speakers. The case of Đoković is clear, English-language simply cite him too often, and English-language ended having an adaptation of spelling for his name. FkpCascais (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
You are again messing things. You compare Novak Djokovic with other Serbs, and that was not my intention. My idea is to compare Novak Djokovic with other non Serbian articles that are named on native language here and that are famous as Djokovic is or even more. For example, Bjorn Borg. He was, for now, more successful Tennis player then Djokovic. So your story about citations and stuff is wrong. If you do the same thing for every person here I wouldn't mind. But when spear has to be broken only on Djokovic, a Serb, forgive me but I have to be suspicious with your intentions. This is a pure double rules and standards. And your giant texts will not hide your intentions.
What intentions? I am Serb, all I want is this and other articles to have quality. Regarding the name, if in English-language publications his name is written with Dj instead of Đ and c instead of ć, that only happend because those letters are not used in English, and he is cited so much that English language simply adapted a simplified version of Djokovic just to make it easier for English-language writers and readers. There really isn't any other reason besides that one. Also, Djokovic is not the only case, I cant see now any exemple at hand but I am sure he is not the only one. Ice-hockey players have most of them, regardless of being Polish, Czech, Slovak, etc. a name in the article title written without diacritics, despite having them in the name. FkpCascais (talk) 22:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
But you aren't really listening to us. Usually, with a lack of sources, we have been adding the diacritic marks. But when we have sources to look at we go with those sources. We tend to have lots of sources when a player wins some Majors. Borg was about 50/50 with the diacritics in English so whoever voted chose to stay with it. French champion Max Décugis was found to have a heavy English spelling of Max Decugis, so that is what we use. The official ATP and ITF websites never use diacritics with Djokovic. Novak Djokovic himself uses Djokovic in English, so we do too. It's the same with Martina Navratilova. We don't spell it as they do in the Czech Republic with Navrátilová. Also with Victoria Azarenka... our article is not at the way it's spelled in Belarus, (Viktoryja Azaranka). Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
First, cos you are a Serb, I have to tell you something in Serbian: "Sram da te bude i treba da se stidis za sve ovo sto radis, ti si se nasao odje da prekrajas ime Novaka Đokovića. Gori si nego ovi sa srpske Vikipedije." When it comes to Martina Navratilova, she played for USA too, not only for CZE, so again your so called proof is wrong. Bjorn Borg has never been cited with diacritics and you are lier. The only reason here is Djokovic's homeland. Western facists can not stand the fact that a Serb from "nowhere", as they say, is winning their tournaments and their icons like Federer and Nalal, which they proved in the last US Open Finals.
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TrueCRaysball | 19:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Already done Inomyabcs (talk) 03:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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