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Shortcut to transgender section in project guidance

Someone created WP:TRANSGENDERED as a shortcut to the guidance that contains "Transgendered is also offensive and deprecated by style guides and should also not be used" (Misplaced Pages:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines#How to write about transgender, non-binary, and intersex people).

Agreed that on Misplaced Pages some shortcuts mean the inverse of what the guidance is about (e.g. WP:BITE) I still think the TRANSGENDERED shortcut to be offensive, and should be eliminated (including a deletion of the WP:TRANSGENDERED redirect page).

I have no proposal for a more appropriate shortcut (WP:TRANSGENDER is unused, but WP:Transgender redirects to WP:WikiProject LGBT studies) and that's why I brought it here: maybe a more appropriate shortcut can be proposed – as long as there's no consensus on that, however, I think it better not to have a shortcut to that project guidance section, so I'll revert again, leaving a link to this talk page section in the edit summary. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

& re-redirected the TRANSGENDERED shortcut to this talk page section (). --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:59, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

We should not be using offensive terms as shortcuts, IMO. Doing so is not comparable to using an antonym of a guideline, e.g. using WP:BITE to get to "don't bite". I also think it's confusing for WP:TRANSGENDER, WP:Transgender, and WP:TRANSGENDERED to not all redirect to the same place. Misplaced Pages:Transgender pronouns currently redirects to the MOS; I suppose we could create a shortcut like WP:Transgender terminology. -sche (talk) 19:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Or WP:Trans? like the WP:Gay? redirect leading to another section on the same page? --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I can understand not wanting Transgendered to be the suggested shortcut listed on the page, but redirects are often there for people who are casting about and may not know the right answer. That "transgendered" is offensive and "transgender" not is not something commonly known in the general community, and it's in our interest that the person who is casting about for it should be able to find that information, rather than not. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I support Trans? as a memorable generic shortcut. I have used the term this way often enough in dialogue elsewhere and never had a complaint, or a suggestion of a better word to use. --Fæ (talk) 03:03, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Implemented. --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Demond Wilson

I would like to invite any members or participants of WikiProject LGBT studies to join the discussion concerning "Homophobia controversy" at the talk page of the Demond Wilson article.Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 01:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Re-organization of WikiProject Women

There currently is a discussion about the future organization of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Women and several other women-related Wikiprojects and taskforces at the above link. Some aspects may be of interests to editors of this project and your participation in the discussion would be appreciated. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

New Gaydar Study - where to post?

I thought this would be the best page to ask - I am a research assistant at the University of Wisconsin - Madison in a lab that recently published a study on the "gaydar". I would like to add bits about this to relevant pages, but I've only been able to get it onto the Gaydar page and the LGBT stereotypes page. Any suggestions for where else it could go? I was also hoping to have a full paragraph for this study on the Gaydar page - information about previous studies on that page are about a paragraph long, but my edit was edited down to only a sentence. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do? Thank you! Socialpsychra (talk) 22:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for asking. I appreciate your enthusiasm in seeking to have your lab's work reflected in Misplaced Pages. Having said that, whenever you have something that your group did that you want to share through Misplaced Pages, you are dealing with a conflict of interest. As such, my main suggestion is that you read through Misplaced Pages's guide to dealing with conflicts of interest. While it does allow for citing your own work within reason, when you have a study and go around looking for places to insert it, that can be read by some as your having an interest in promoting the study rather than serving Misplaced Pages. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I read through the COI page. I understand why I shouldn't be looking for places to fit the research in! I guess my only concern now is the Gaydar page specifically. Because it is the most recent research and it did suggest conclusions that were different from previous studies, would it be okay for me to write a bit more than what is currently on the page? Another sentence or two? Or, in order to avoid a conflict of interest, do I have to wait until someone that isn't affiliated with this lab wants to add it to the page? Thanks again Socialpsychra (talk) 22:27, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Take it to Talk:Gaydar, the page for discussing the editing of Gaydar. Make your case there, suggest what you'd like included, and see how the other editors respond. Make clear when you post there your link to the lab. You may or may not get the result you want (none of us get all of what we want here), but it's the best way of presenting your argument. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Discussion notification

A new discussion has been started at: Talk:Sodomy#POV and "Sodomy". Comments appreciated. GregKaye 11:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Czhang28/sandbox

Dear editors: This old draft will soon be deleted as stale. It was declined at AfC as too promotional. Right now, Boystown, Chicago is a redirect because its former content has been merged into Lake View, Chicago. Should any of the information in the draft be merged into either a revitalized Boystown, Chicago article, or into the Lake View article? There are plenty of references online about this topic. (, , , , )—Anne Delong (talk) 10:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

It appears that the draft about Boystown, Chicago has been deleted under db-g13. If anyone wants to work on it, it can be restored.—Anne Delong (talk) 08:03, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Lesbian non fiction

The article Lesbian non fiction was nominated for deletion. The AfD has been relisted twice because no clear consensus has emerged; I would be grateful if project members could take part in the stalled discussion. Thanks. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

LGBT History Cornwall UK 'One Queer Gay Life'

LGBT History Cornwall UK 'One Queer Gay Life' http://www.gayhistorycornwall.com The above site added to the UK National Community Archives. License issued for inclusion in British Library UK Web Archive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.249.211 (talk) 13:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Ramchandra Siras

I have raised Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2015 October 11#Ramchandra Siras. The film about Siras' case and life was premièred in London yesterday (Aligarh (film)), and I was amazed to see that this article had been created and deleted. Anyone interested in India's re-criminalization of homosexuality may want to help out with improving the article and giving an opinion in the undeletion review. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 13:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Revisiting MOS:IDENTITY in articles about transgender individuals, and in other articles

A Village Pump thread has opened (link) to determine how the Manual of Style should guide editors to refer to transgender people in articles about those people. Concurrently, a thread has opened (link) to determine how to guide editors to refer to transgender people when they are mentioned in passing in other articles. Pursuant to discussion on WT:MOS, I am notifying the two WikiProjects which are directly concerned with this topic: this one and Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Manual of Style. -sche (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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