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Deletion review for Hummingbird Heartbeat

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Racism

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Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Faizal Ismail

No objection to your closure of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Faizal Ismail, but could you at least userfy the article for User:Arteyu, given the large number of substantial articles that I found? --Bejnar (talk) 16:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I have no objection, but third-party requests are a little unusual. @Arteyu:, is that OK with you? -- RoySmith (talk) 21:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@RoySmith: @Bejnar:Hi, it would be nice if you userfy the page and I strongly reckon that Faizal Ismail is notable but things are different now since I am no more an active[REDACTED] editor and hence couldn't commit to the expansion of the article. Maybe you could userfy the deleted page to Bejnar instead? I will try help him out when I have time. Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 02:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Fine with me. --Bejnar (talk) 02:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Done. It's at User:Bejnar/Faizal Ismail. My apologies for taking so long. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:16, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Belated thanks. I'm going to be sans computer in a week for a spell lasting at least until 17 November. So it will be a while before I start work on it. --Bejnar (talk) 04:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

All-Africa Games sports

Thank you for your comment in the Deletion review page of All-Africa Games sports the discuss had continue in the Requests for undeletion page here and as you suggested, I had start to write a new draft of the article in my sandbox here you can see it. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 11:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Relist

Hey. There is something about Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2015 September 24‎ that you should know: When you close a DRV as "relist", you should do the actual relisting. Fleet Command (talk) 20:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) The closure was not relist, is was "vacate closure". There is an obvious difference. If you wish to make further comments at the discussion you may now do so before it is reclosed. BethNaught (talk) 20:37, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry, I have no interest in this kind of word play. A DRV discussion has four outcomes: Endorse, overturn , relist and allow recreation. When the DRV is closed as relist, with or without this actual words used, the closing admin should relist the discussion. If the closing admin don't do it, either it will languish (because new participants can't find it) or another admin eventually does it.

Ignore me if you wish. I won't reply here anymore. Either of the outcomes are okay with me. Fleet Command (talk) 20:47, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your note. Like I said, I'm not that familiar with the mechanics of how TfD works. If there's some additional step that needs to happen to relist it properly, please go ahead and do so. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:19, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

UNEECI article

Hi. I had missed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/National Pupils and Students Union of Côte d'Ivoire before it got closed, having been out of[REDACTED] for a while. Is it possible to undelete it? UNEECI was major political organization in Cote d'Ivoire; see

• https://books.google.com/books?id=6DrDYERtdicC&pg=PA65
• "In order to continue to receive their scholarships, some two- thirds of the students in Senegal and France in fact joined UNEECI (Zolberg 1969, 307-13)." (https://books.google.com/books?id=8SIOAQAAMAAJ)
• "section UNEECI la plus importante de Côte d'Ivoire et de France, celle de l'université d'Abidjan" (https://books.google.com/books?id=KOOFpwViYfwC&pg=PA355)
• "L'Union Nationale des Élèves et Étudiants de Côte d'Ivoire (UNEECI), première organisation syndicale, n'a pas échappé à la répression du Parti Démocratique de Côte d'Ivoire (PDCI) au pouvoir depuis l'indépendance." (https://books.google.com/books?id=cdYPCwUyriwC&pg=PA101)
• "Ces étudiants ne seront libérés qu'en janvier 1962 et, entre-temps, Houphouët-Boigny a encouragé la fondation d'un autre mouvement estudiantin, l'Union Nationale des Élèves et Étudiants de Côte d'Ivoire (UNEECI), destinée à supplanter la " (https://books.google.com/books?id=k8eWZNcEahoC&pg=PA84)
• "À la différence de l'Uneeci qui se voulait autonome, le Meeci, créé en 1968 à la suite de la dissolution de celle-ci, s'affirme et s'affiche comme une section du parti unique qui lui apporte l'appui institutionnel de l'État. " (https://books.google.com/books?id=pOs30e_XsykC&pg=PA50)
• "Laurent est candidat à la présidence de l'UNEECI. La colère du président de la République, président également du PDCI-RDA, engendrera la dissolution immédiate de l'UNEECI sans" (https://books.google.com/books?id=h9EuAQAAIAAJ)
• "le régime a dissous en 1968, l'Union nationale des élèves et étudiants de Côte d'Ivoire (UNEECI) et mis en place" (https://books.google.com/books?id=LdGkZnGnx6UC&pg=PA184)
• https://books.google.com/books?id=9m8OQP0Ne_wC&pg=PA22

etc, etc. --Soman (talk) 12:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Soman, and thanks for your note. @SwisterTwister: @DGG: @NewYorkActuary: @Sandstein: @Onel5969: @Bejnar: Looking at the AfD again, the general feeling seems to be that most participants were open to keeping this article if sufficient WP:RS could be located. Unfortunately, I don't read French, so I'm unable to give the sources you cite above a useful evaluation. Perhaps you could provide English translations for the passages you cite? I've pinged all the other participants in the AfD. If, after looking at your new sources, there is some support for your request, I'd be willing to vacate my close and relist the discussion. But, please understand that I'm not making any promises. My role in the AfD is essentially clerical; it's really up to the people who participated to evaluate the new sources and decide if this will change their position. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I do read French, and these sources do indicate that the organization had a certain political and social significance. But they generally mention it only briefly or in passing, in the context of the discussion of broader developments in politics or education. As it is, it seems to me that the organization certainly bears mention in relevant articles about Côte d'Ivoire, but that we do not have sufficient material to base an article on.  Sandstein  15:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

• I argued or keeping as the principal national students organization in that country, and i consider that in such cases the GNG requirements should be interpreted liberally; I would al o interpret the guideline as liberally as possible for all organizations in Africa, in order to avoid WP:Cultural bias due to the the difficulties of sourcing in that region. Reading the sources, I therefore would certainly consider then significant mention. However, I do not see how the article could have been kept on the basis of the discussion there. ince thesourcesmentioned above are additional to the ones in thearticle, I think it would beappropriate to undelete on that basis and have a new discussion at afd. In fact, I think they are sufficient ot allow recreation of anarticle including them in any event. Itwould greatly help to have some additional sources from newspapers in that region. DGG ( talk ) 18:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

For example, one of the sources clearly say that 2/3 of all Ivorian students in France and Senegal (these were the two major academic centres for Francophone West Africa at the time) were members of UNEECI at one point, which should be enough to clear notability criteria for an organization. Moreover the President of the Republic, as mentioned in several of the sources, intervened to ban the organization (which clearly would not happen to any minor grouping). --Soman (talk) 18:37, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

There is a common Anglo-centric mistake õn Misplaced Pages to assume that university student association are local and frivolous (i.e. college fraternities a la US). In West Africa students formed movements, that were key players in the political and social life in the years around and after independence. From the sources above, all book sources, that emerges quite clearly. --Soman (talk) 18:40, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Whoa there, Soman! As a participant in the original discussion, I can testify that no one there was treating the subject organization as "frivolous". The main issue was, and continues to be, whether the organization was sufficiently notable to merit a stand-alone article.
Before I state my main points, I'll engage in a respectful quibble with User:DGG. It is technically true that the organization was "national", but it is also true that, at the time the organization existed, the Ivory Coast had only one university, located in the capital city of Abidjan. And so, although it might be semantically correct to call it "national", it really wasn't. Other than having some of its members study abroad, I've seen nothing to suggest that the organization had any activities whatsoever outside of Abidjan.

Soman, you state in your post that West African students "were key players in the political ... life". This is an enormous overgeneralization. I certainly agree that the student organizations saw themselves as key players, but our decisions here must look to evidence that they actually were key players. And I don't see that evidence here. Allow me to state a brief outline of this organization's history -- <<-- Newly-independent African nation establishes a university and encourages the forming of a student organization. Said organization holds a few meetings and some of its members study abroad. Organization makes public statements that are critical of the government. Organization gets banned by government. -->> Have I left out anything substantial? From an earlier post, I presume that you will argue that the very act of being banned is the notable thing here. But it isn't. In the spirit of honest inquiry, I'll pose two questions. First, is it true that, in the years following independence, virtually every sub-Saharan African nation established a national university and a student union? And second, is it true that many (perhaps most) of them got banned at one time or another for making statements critical of the government? I think that the answers to both of these questions is "yes", in which case there was nothing particularly notable about the instant organization.

I find myself in agreement with Sandstein -- the place for information about the subject organization is in a broader article. What this encyclopedia really needs is an article on the "History of student organizations in the Ivory Coast". That article could describe the pre-independence organization, the UNEECI, the MEECI and could merge in the information already found at the FESCI article. And Soman, you seem like the perfect person to write that article, I wish you a hearty "Happy Editing", and my position remains "delete". NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:18, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I think some context is needed here. "some of its members study abroad" underestimates the fact that (as you mention) university education for Ivorians was largely done in France and Senegal at the time, and that UNEECI has the majority of students there as affiliates. So we have an organizations 1) founded on the initiative of a national government 2) Organized the majority of students in France and Senegal, apart from being active inside the country as well and 3) developed in a different political direction and was banned by the president of the Republic. If this had been a non-African country, those 3 facts would have qualified for notability a long way. Moreover, this organization was not limited to university students, it organized school students as well. --Soman (talk) 00:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

And do read from https://books.google.com/books?id=KOOFpwViYfwC&pg=PA355 , "Ses adversaires, bien sûr, étaient soit des cadres importants de l'UNEECI soit des idoles de la jeunesse ivoirienne". --Soman (talk) 00:10, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

The place for the limited information available in reliable sources about the subject organization is in a broader article. Which information amounts to a couple of sentences, or maybe a paragraph. Doing that will place what we can verify in proper context. --Bejnar (talk) 04:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Category:Order of the Netherlands Lion and subcategories relisted

Hello. You participated in either the CFD discussion to delete the above category and its subcategories or the DRV discussion regarding those categories (or both). The result of the DRV was to relist the categories for discussion. This is a notification that they have now been relisted for discussion here. Good Ol’factory 23:45, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Block

I think that this block was particularly poor. You've taken an editor with 60k+ edits and zero previous blocks and blocked them with no warning whatsoever.--Jezebel's Ponyo 21:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

As you logged out immediately following the block and are unavaible to discuss an unblock, and as SwisterTwister agreed to stop reverting the close thereby making the block moot, I have unblocked the them.--Jezebel's Ponyo 22:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Logged out only in the sense of lost connectivity while on the train, but that's fine. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Akira Hiramoto deletion closure request

Objectivity disclaimer: I am an active administrator of the Prison School unofficial wikia and an active editor at the Wikia domain, I have linked to my Wikia identity under the handle Speedit.

I would like this page to be delisted from the deletion process and its deletion discussion be closed as the subject in question is a notable manga artist. The article was a WP:COPYRIGHT violation (the initial reason for nomination) but this has been cleared up and I approve of the current article in its stub form (which will hopefully be expanded with original information in time).

NB: You may view the relevant editing process by viewing all the relevant edits including and succeeding this one here.

I nominated this previously fully plaigarised article for deletion, but this was a mistake as it was a WP:COPYRIGHT violation and WP:COPYPASTE. So I removed the AfD tag and added a WP:COPYVIO tag. Another user cleared up the violation conclusively in this time, allowing the article to continue as a stub without deletion.

I appreciate that this was a mistake owing to not being familiar with the correct process for the removal of plaigarised content. As the initiator of this deletion process, I hopefully should be able to request that the article has a right to exist so long as it is not a copyright violation. Which the original article was because of CC-BY-SA requiring that the article be defined as a full mirror/copy with a defined source.

Akira Hiramoto in himself is the author of a long-running gag manga and he's been serialised with the likes of CLAMP for decades - Prison School's Volume 17 (ANN source) & Volume 18 (ANN source) became a top 10 manga in volume sales in Japan owing to the anime adaptation. Notability under WP:BIO is sufficiently met in my opinion, albeit being a less famous than other mangaka due to the seinen and niche nature of his works.  Zkrjebril92 talk  20:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your note. The best thing I can suggest at this point would be to make your argument on the AfD page. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Thanks you for your reply. I didn't really think Akira Hiramoto was beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages when I saw the article, I was just annoyed at seeing someone brazenly copy an article I wrote verbatim and pass it off as theirs. I'll be summarizing my points supporting the existence of the article in its current form as per your advice.  Zkrjebril92 talk  23:13, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Microsoft Spyware AFD

Hi,

I saw that you closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Microsoft Spyware (2nd nomination) as delete and deleted both Microsoft Spyware and Talk:Microsoft Spyware. However, I specifically requested in the nomination that the talk page Talk:Microsoft Spyware be kept. Could you please restore that page? (I can take care of moving the talk page and the expansion page to draft space or userspace.)

Thanks, RJaguar3 | u | t 08:21, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I've restored and moved it to User:RJaguar3/Microsoft Spyware. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! RJaguar3 | u | t 19:03, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Seeking explanation of Deletion Review

Sir, I noted today that the Deletion Review of Manas Madrecha has been closed by you as an admin, but I did not find any closing note, with no explanation, but mere tag of G11, which had evidently been contested in the discussion. Could you be kind to present one?AlwaysHappy (talk) 21:49, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. I have updated my close to provide additional explanation. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

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Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
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A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks for your recent work on deletion review and in particular your excellent, neutral assessment of "List of cases of police brutality in the United States." Keep up the good work! —Мандичка 😜 23:40, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that! -- RoySmith (talk) 00:14, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Emma Tillman

Hi, I really think that if you close a hotly contested debate like this, a more extensive rationale is needed than just the standard "The result is...". Closing this "keep" is not as self-evident as you seem to think. If I hadn't participated myself in this debate, I would have closed it "no consensus" at best and more likely "delete", given the powerful NOPAGE argument that was not countered by any of the keep !votes. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 14:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Upon reflection, I'm not convinced I closed it correctly, so I've backed out my close and relisted it. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:36, 1 November 2015 (UTC)