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I am not an administrator and do not have the block button. Do not ask me to block anyone. If anyone really wants to request a block, they should first read the boomerang essay. Then if you really think that the edit is vandalism, report it at WP:AIV, but only if it really is vandalism. Otherwise if you really want to request a block, go to WP:AE or WP:ANI or WP:ANEW, but remember that if your own editing is not clean, you might get a block, of yourself. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Stop stalling and block someone! :)

Welcome to the Balkans, Mr. McClenon. I'm afraid this whole business was farcical from the start.. if you will, please consider revising your position - given that most of what has been said by Silvio1973 up to this point was in direct contradiction with the actual historical situation. See my above post. Italy had already switched sides, and the city was in the hands of Mussolini's puppet Italian republic, from which it was liberated by Allied forces.

Indeed further. According to the Axis the city was (as I said) "legally" a part of the Italian Social Republic, but if I'm not mistaken, not even the Italian Social Republic actually held power in the city by the time the Yugoslav army got there. I recall reading that de facto authority over the city was by that point exercised by the Independent State of Croatia (another Nazi puppet), and/or the Germans directly. -- Director (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Director, I sourced the proposed wording without doing any OR. Concerning the actual control of Zadar, untill the arrival of the Partisans the city had been controlled by the same authority in charge since the beginning of the war (albeit may be only formally) hence my initial comment. Mind well that I asked for a 3O, I did not push any POV and I do not know anything about those users (Ragusino, Brunodzm), no idea who they are. One side note: to share your words, why everything connected with the Balkans is always so conflicting? Silvio1973 (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

You are wrong Silvio:

Zara RSI or the Italian Social Republic. Tnx. --Tuvixer (talk) 18:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

"Why everything with the Balkans ... always so conflicting?" Tragic history, probably. Those topic areas in Misplaced Pages that are most subject to battleground editing include those that have been historical battlegrounds. Don't try to restart World War One. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Yeah.. specifically this is a historical battleground where Fascist Italy occupied Yugoslav territories (riding on the German army's coattails of course - they couldn't even take the Greeks), and proceeded to Italianize, and mass-murder the local population in concentration camps, while empowering (Serb) gangs of cutthroats to keep peace in the (Croat-populated) countryside... the Blackshirts roaming about burning towns and villages. WHY is it so conflicting? I can't imagine..

But you don't get it: Silvio1973 represents the Civilized World in this - but the "conflicting" balkanites just won't let him be. As he likes to point out, HE comes from a (quote) "peaceful country" (also the homeland of fascism and theater of innumerable petty wars throughout the centuries). This is the sort of bigoted, condescending bull one continuously has to put up with when Silvio is around.

@Silvio, I understand what you're saying: you have a source - so does the current formulation. Do you have any coherent reason why anyone should prefer your position? Up to now you've been harping on how its historically inaccurate to use the current term - turns out all that's a load of gibberish. The city was NOT "under the same authority": after 1943, it was under the authority of a completely different state. That is, unless the authority of Italy and her King is equivalent to that of Mussolini's puppet republic? (And I'm reasonably certain even that state held no power in Zadar, it was under de facto Ustase control.. but be that as it may, makes no difference.) -- Director (talk) 20:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Director, how much talking. Can you discuss about the pertinent matter without starting an endless one-man talk? Side note: I am not from a more peaceful part of the world than you and I do not ignore the responsability of my country during WWII (but they have nothing to do with the long-standing ethnic issues of the Balkans). --Silvio1973 (talk) 07:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Of the three of us, I wrote least on this talkpage; what I wrote was at least correct, rather than a mountain of pointless gibberish. And actually, as I pointed out, the Italian authorities actively participated in fanning ethnic hatred in the region with their Chetnik friends, managing to inflict quite a bit of damage. Not that it did them much good, they were handing their guns over to the Partisans in two years time...

I'll take the lack of a relevant reply to indicate we're done here. -- Director (talk) 11:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Non-native English

Can a native speaker please correct the English in this article? The plural of 'census' is 'censuses', not 'censi' (this word doesn't exist); you say 'among', not 'between', a population ('between' means literally in between different things, not scattered throughout them); it's 'most of the...', not 'the most of the....'; and so on.213.127.210.95 (talk) 16:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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