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Hello. Panama Papers: I created the Russia section, The Ukrainian President section, and another which I just noticed was moved to Russia. On the Craig Murray edits there were mass reverts during BLD discussions. Which I thought mean spirited as the editor who made it was explaining himself. My edit summary message was ignored and reverted so I took a tea break, then went to discuss. It resolved OK after that. I did not See VM there but this notice may be spill over tension from Putin. Which has deep history as we all know. I put a tag up on Russia in Panama Papers explaining its a news story and changes may be ongoing as things change. Sommeone removed it. Which is a pity. I got no warning of this problem until I came back on after gardening and saw 2 alerts. I was tasked, we all were, by the admin, Drmies, to reduce Vladimir Putin article as it too big. Its been a success, this is ongoing. VM has objected to this, recently on Drmies page. I think in summary Panama Papers is a developing story, its fluid. I have made positive contributions. Im not there to war, but the POV in Russia needs collaborative fixing. Im ready to discuss. So I'm starting a thread there ] ] 05:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
*Even a short block would be a huge help. The number of edits being made to Panama Papers is staggering, so this user's disruptive edits are often lost. This is made worse by their attempts to conceal removal of content as "grammar" in edit summaries. '''<font color="#00824A">]</font> <font color="#2A5FFF">]</font> <font color="#00824A">]</font>''' 05:03, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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    User:Muvendar reported by User:Joshua Jonathan (Result: )

    Page: Naga people (Lanka) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Muvendar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

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    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: diff diff diff diff.

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    User:EtienneDolet reported by User:Volunteer Marek (Result: )

    Page: Vladimir Putin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: EtienneDolet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    1. (note EtienneDolet's lack of participation in that discussion)
    2. (note EtienneDolet's lack of participation in that discussion)
    3. (only one off handed comment in that discussion)

    Comments:

    Yes, this is just 3 reverts rather than 4 in 24 hrs. However, EtienneDolet is very well aware that 3 reverts is not an entitlement and that repeatedly making 3 reverts than just stopping short of the fourth one constitutes gaming of the rules. Indeed, they've filed 3RR reports based on that very argument . They have also tip-toed up to the 3RR bright line several times in the past, making this repeated behavior and , , . The fact that ED regularly will make three reverts then wait for the clock to expire, while at the same time failing to participate in talk page discussion AND reporting OTHERS for making 3 reverts pretty clearly indicates that this is indeed an instance of gaming the rules and definite edit warring.

    In light of the nature of the disruption, a 1RR restriction or a topic ban may be more suitable than a straight up block, for preventive reasons.Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:46, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

    From what I see, I haven't broken 3RR in any of these cases. The first case was with a single-edit IP account, who is likely a sock of this account, add a lot of information to the lead. I've already explained why I disapproved of such material concerning his wealth and assets being added to the body, let alone the lead. Also, the whole unsourced bit about " money that he has taken from the Russian economy over the years" being placed in the lead is also concerning and in my view is OR and a violation of BLP (should've mentioned that in the edit-summary though come to think of it). As for the other edits, both of them were followed up with an explanation on the TP explaining them: . Therefore, it can be easily characterized as WP:BRD. Also, there's an overwhelming amount of support to exclude that material not just by me, but of most users on the TP as well ( and more recently ). This is really my first time I've been reported at 3RRN, and I would hope that I would have received an advisory after 25 February. That's nearly two months ago, and concerning an entirely different issue. So this came to me as a surprise. As for the 1RR suggestion, there's a lot of edit-warring going on from every side and this is gravely concerning. I'd suggest making the article itself restricted to a 1RR, as is the case concerning many EE topics such as Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War. It'll encourage much more discussion on the talk page. In fact, from what I see, it should be temporarily page protected as well. As you can see in the revision history, there's a lot of additions/removals/reverts happening in which an average of 3,000+ characters of information is being added/removed/reverted...and its ongoing. Some of it is a cluster of different information packaged into one edit making it very difficult for editors to assess each of their particular grievances over them at the TP. In other words, that brings instability to the article, and a page protection would encourage all parties to sit around and talk about it at the talk page. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Update: I sent the article to page-protection. I would like admins to see for themselves if it requires PP. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    You know, under normal circumstances that would be fine. But the fact that you have a tendency to try and use noticeboards, including this one (diff above) against other people for EXACTLY the same thing you're doing here, makes this look like a clear instance of WP:GAME. "Three reverts for me but not for thee". And despite your claims *you have* been warned about edit warring before (diffs above). It's just that you always tip toe right up to 3RR never actually break it. Which is why this is disruptive and why *some* kind of action needs to be taken.
    (and if you think that IP is a sock puppet then file an SPI - I don't see it, there's no obvious person that that IP would belong to).Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    "EtienneDolet is very well aware that 3 reverts is not an entitlement and that repeatedly making 3 reverts than just stopping short of the fourth one constitutes gaming of the rules." - that's exactly what you and your pals have been doing for years (at least since the Ukrainian crisis began). Dorpater (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Please refrain from making false and vague WP:ASPERSIONS. Who are these "your pals"? Generic accusations such as these are simply personal attacks and nothing more. Do I need to file another report here?Volunteer Marek (talk) 17:41, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Even just a look at the page version history of Aleksandr Dugin reveals you are constantly revert warring against many others to keep your preferred version with edits with absolutely meaningless edit summaries like this , . This is just an obscure corner, but you're doing the same in articles like Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War or just anything related to Russia. Why is that? Dorpater (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    The Aleksandr Dugin article happens to be a page which is subject to lots of IP, WP:SPA and sock puppetry edits (I think something like three different sock farms got banned as a result of editing there). And there is a long standing WP:CONSENSUS version. But have I broken 3RR or even 2RR there? If I did, feel free to file a report, otherwise quit trying to hijack this thread with irrelevancies.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

    92.3.12.19 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) is Sayerslle, so the first revert is a 3RR exemption. See SPI. Erlbaeko (talk) 06:13, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    One IP is from UK the other from Florida. So I sort of doubt it. And what are you doing here Erlbaeko? Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    I am talking about the first revert you listed. This one. That is a revert of IP 92.3.12.19, which obviously is Sayerslle. Compare the IP-address with the IP addresses in the SPI (starting from 15 April 2015 (Skip the first one). Erlbaeko (talk) 13:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    The first revert listed here is well within the policy. The phrase "money that he has taken from the Russian economy over the years." has nothing to do in the lead and is, indeed, tantamount to WP:VANDALISM. Listing this edit here as supporting the claim that the editor reported is breaking rules is in itself an act of bad faith. Dorpater (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    Please don't call legitimate edits - however much you disagree with them - "vandalism". It's a perfectly valid edit, and ED is edit warring over it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:Lesbianadvocate reported by User:EllenMcGill (Result: Moved to WP:COIN)

    /* Original title: Edit-warring over plagiarised material */

    Moved to WP:COIN.
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Hi all, I’m having a lot of trouble with a user named LesbianAdvocate on American Council for Capital Formation. When I mentioned my issue at the TeaHouse a few days ago, they said to stop reverting her and come here if things didn’t calm down.

    The biggest issue is that LA has reverted my changes to the article repeatedly, generally without any discussion. (see article history: ) Sometimes she won’t even post edit summaries to say why she’s reverting me. I’ve tried to reach out to her a number of times on the article’s talk page, but she’s consistently refused to engage about any of the content. (Her single post was to say that if I kept editing, she would block me for disruption.) She hasn't broken the three-revert rule, but how does this work if we can’t talk to each other? Do we just keep reverting until one of us gives up?

    The material she wants to add is really problematic:

    1) Plagiarizing: Just randomly clicking on edits in her history, LA appears to do most of her editing by just cutting-and-pasting material from other sources; sometimes she changes a couple of words, sometimes she doesn’t. I attempted to discuss this issue with her on the talk page, but she re-added the material without discussion.

    Edits for comparison:

    • “Ergen studied finance at the University of Tennessee, became a CPA, and worked for Frito-Lay before striking out on his own.“ taken word for word from
    • The “History” section of the article we’re arguing over on the ACCF page (compare LA to her source--see pages 72-73; sorry Google Books won’t let me cut and paste it here). Even at a glance it’s clear that Blumenthal’s paragraphs were just copied in and slightly rewritten, sometimes with long phrases still in his exact words.
    • The incredible amount she copied out of this single Bloomberg article... almost every quotation and a lot of other sentences and phrases as well.
    • LA: Soon after the call, Business Insider blared the headline, "Dish CEO says customers don't care about AMC because they live on 'farms and ranches.'" Source: “Not long after the earnings call, Business Insider blared the headline, "Dish CEO says customers don't care about AMC because they live on 'farms and ranches.'"”

    I saw these in just a few minutes of searching, so unless this is some crazy fluke, I’d be surprised if the problem doesn’t run deeper than these few examples.

    2) Posting unsourced information: LA has attempted over and over again to insert unsourced negative information about the group in question, even after I and others pointed out that it was unsourced. She is continuing to restore unsourced information to the article even after being reprimanded by a member of the BLP board on her talk page.

    3) Hit-job writing: So far as I can tell from her editing history, LA recently spent a month doing nothing but adding every negative story and minor controversy she could dredge up about a politician named Kyle McCarter (e.g. , ; then three months ago, she switched her focus to adding every negative story she could find about the Dish Network and its CEO; then a month ago, she started in on the ACCF with the same tactic. Some bits in the ACCF article she appears to literally just be fabricating, like this: . Others are incidents involving individual executives from before they had even joined the ACCF, or later incidents in the life of Charls Walker, the group’s founder, that are unrelated to the Council. (Tellingly, she didn’t bother to add her material to Walker’s own article—just the ACCF.) She keeps trying to pass Democratic activist Sidney Blumenthal off as the sole reliable source about the ACCF’s history, while deleting even such basic information as the group’s self-description. I know I’m supposed to assume good faith, but I would be very surprised if she’s not being paid by someone to write these hit pieces. (I’m also inviting User:1990'sguy of this discussion, if that's all right; it looks like he had the same kind of run-ins with LA at Kyle McCarter as I have at the ACCF.)

    Even if nothing can be done about LA herself, is it possible for someone else just to come look at the article and help bring it to neutrality? (Ditto for Kyle McCarter and the Dish Network?) I’m doing my best, but I'm sure my edits aren’t perfect for neutrality, either, and I think a fresh pair of eyes would do the article a lot of good. Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks. -- EllenMcGill (talk) 14:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

    Good faith query According to Twinkle, LA hasn't made any reverts (in the strictest use of the word) since yesterday; and on top of that, do copyvio questions get ajudged here? Fortuna 17:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, I apologize if I misunderstood the policy (and what board I should be at--so many boards!). LA reverted my edits for several days in a row last week without discussion, and then was back at it yesterday, but it's true she never reverts me more than once a day (this is actually the first time I've been on more than once in a day). At the Teahouse, they told me that this behavior was edit-warring and I could report it here. In this case, she hasn't reverted me since yesterday because I haven't made any changes to the article since yesterday.
    I don't mind continuing to sign on each day for a while to keep removing her unsourced material, but how do situations like this usually resolve? Do she and I just continue reverting each other once a day until one of us gets exhausted? What should I do about the copyright issue?
    Since it looks like no action is forthcoming here, I've reverted to the version without unsourced info, copyright violations, etc. in the meantime. Thanks, Ellen -- EllenMcGill (talk) 18:16, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    EllenMcGill. Sometimes takes a while for things to happen here (staffing problems, I understand); you (and the Tea House of course) are right- there's no necessity to actually reach 3 reverts- just a demonstratable intention to dit-war ('slow-burning,' as they say). As for any copyright violations- Fortuna 18:55, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Though the copyvios are a concern, it would be helpful if User:EllenMcGill could give some background for her own interest in American Council for Capital Formation, since she only created her Misplaced Pages account on 26 March. Lesbianadvocate and EllenMcGill are both interested in American politics., though LA has been here since March 2010. She has 952 edits and has never been blocked. She edits intermittently so may not respond here before the report is closed. Lesbianadvocate and Ellen are having an intense disagreement at Talk:American Council for Capital Formation#Plagiarism of Blumenthal?. If there isn't time to get a response from Lesbianadvocate, full protection of the article might be considered. EdJohnston (talk) 19:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Thanks EllenMcGill for inviting me to this discussion. I had a very annoying encounter with LesbianAdvocate a few month ago while editing the article Kyle McCarter. At the time, McCarter was an active candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives, running against incumbent John Shimkus. LA added a lot of information on McCarter's article that violated WP:NPOV, WP:COATRACK, and WP:UNDUE, while at the same time removing potentially harmful material from Shimkus's article. Due to my experience with this editor, I am suspicious that (even though I cannot confirm it) LA might have some conflict of interest issues as well. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    There seems to be some agreement that the issues are broader than edit warring here. Can I suggest this be taken to WP:AN/I? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Agree with Cordless Larry: and, in fact, wasn't this actually brought here (to AN3) from another board in the first place...? Fortuna 21:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Do you mean Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive238#Sources required?, Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    Thanks for that heads up Cordless Larry; but- no- somewhere today I thought...? Fortuna 21:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    That's as much as I know - EllenMcGill raised this issue on my talk page after I previously responded to a question she asked at the Teahouse. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:27, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

    Hi Ed, I became interested in this page because I blog in a small way about politics, and the ACCF has been in the Midwest news a bit because of its role in a fight over ethanol. When I looked up the group’s Misplaced Pages article in writing a post of my own, it seemed clearly biased, so I thought I’d try to work with the authors to give it some balance. I have no advertising agenda here and I’d be very glad if a neutral, more experienced Misplaced Pages author would come along to take over the article for me. (I’ve been begging for outside help at several Misplaced Pages forums to do just that.) I'm enjoying Misplaced Pages so far, but I'd love to move on to something less contentious.

    I hope you’ll forgive my playing Nancy Drew, but Googling LesbianAdvocate’s articles, it’s very easy to figure out that she IS working for someone, starting from 1990sguy’s suggestion about Shimkus.

    • This year, Shimkus employed a firm called FP1 strategies to “build his digital presence”. At around the same time, LA suddenly got interested in posting positive information about him, and negative info about his challenger.
    • FP1 strategies was employed by Quico Canseco in his 2012 congressional race. At the same time, LA suddenly became interested in posting negative information about his challenger, Pete Gallego.
    • Also in 2012, FP1 strategies handled public relations for Rodney L. Davis . At the same time, LA suddenly got interested in posting to the page of his challenger, David M. Gill. (which is now merged into another article.)
    • One of FP1’s long-term clients is Fox Entertainment. LA recently spent two months intensely interested in Fox Broadcasting Co. v. Dish Network, LLC, including posting reams of negative information about Dish Network and its CEO.
    • FP1’s Vice President, Ryan Williams, blasted ACCF’s ethanol position on Twitter the exact same day LA created her article attacking the group, using the exact same language. (“$1.6 million from ExxonMobil alone” )

    In short, all of LA’s major article projects for the past four years seem to be FP1 clients or their opponents, taken on exactly when FP1 takes on the clients. It would be mind-boggling if this was coincidence, right? Can any action be taken?

    Per your suggestions here, I guess I’ll take this to the other admin noticeboard. It does seem to go way beyond edit-warring. I really appreciate everybody who's taken the time to take a look. Thanks, Ellen -- EllenMcGill (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Okay, I was just turned away at the other administrator noticeboard also. I'm now trying WP:COI/N. EllenMcGill (talk) 15:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:130.156.22.254 reported by User:Hebel (Result: Schoolblock)

    Page: Ukrainian Culture (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    Page: Belarusians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: 130.156.22.254 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: and [https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AUkrainian_culture&type=revision&diff=713706641&oldid=704179045

    Repeated attempts to insert language that is in contradiction to the source given. The arguments are that the source is wrong. That is worrysome. This also happened on the page Ukrainians When pressed providing new sources for his contentions, the user:130.156.22.254 gives links to blogs, that are either not supporting or even talking about his claims, but even directly contradict them

    I would like to emphasise that said user AND myself have broken the 3rr rule and are both edit waring. So I should take some of the blame myself. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

    It appears this IP is a public computer in a library and has been blocked for as long as one year in the past. The usual rationale is {{schoolblock}}, which keeps out anonymous but not registered users who use the IP. One option is to issue another such school block. Per WP:ACC there are ways for school users to create an account if they wish. EdJohnston (talk) 17:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    I'll be assuming then, that this is a case of sock puppetry and I will act accordingly. I've made this report to the sockpuppetry notice board and will be treating any more attempts according to WP:DENY. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 23:08, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
    This probably also involves User: 67.81.5.244 as can be seen on the Ukrainians page:
    1. [https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ukrainians&diff=next&oldid=707443437

    Gerard von Hebel (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

    • Result: This IP is editing from a school computer that has been blocked as such in the past. So I've done a one-year anon-only block. I also blocked User:67.81.5.244 for one month since it appears to be devoted to nationalist edit warring about Eastern Europe. The second IP is probably operated by the same person. I'm semiprotecting Belarussians and Ukrainian culture. If you know of other articles that ought to be semied, please leave a note on my talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 03:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Thank you. For your action here. User: 69.119.175.240 was also involved today here. He was also reported here. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 04:11, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:86.133.84.12 reported by User:SchroCat (Result:semi-protected)

    Page: Hattie Jacques (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: 86.133.84.12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    Comments:
    Page protected I only see three reverts of this IP in the history, and, additionally, they went to the talk page, and for the time being they remain the last user to post at the talk page. However, the editing is disruptive, and the edits they were reverting were previously reverted by other IPs, so I semi-protected the article for 1 week.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:Haberstr reported by User:Volunteer Marek (Result: )

    Page: Vladimir Putin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Haberstr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: (note multiple warnings on the user's talk page about edit warring also on other articles)

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: (the discussion is spread out across several sections, Haberstr hasn't really participated much in any of them)

    Comments:

    A straight forward violation of 3RR on a contentious article that has been plagued by edit warring. Numerous warnings on the talk page about etc. Not much wiggle room for making excuses here.


    I am reorganizing the obviously disorganized Putin 'Public Image' section (note how polls are discussed, then individuals' assessments, then polls again). Instead of participating and helping, Volunteer Marek is mass reverting and, now, taking up time putting up a groundless edit warring complaint. I strongly suggest he participate in the welcoming and generous 'talk' section I have created concerning that section. Give discussion and good faith a chance!Haberstr (talk) 01:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    I don't know if you're "reorganizing" anything, but I do know that you are edit warring, as the four reverts in less than 24 hrs clearly show. I didn't "mass revert" either and I have participated on talk (a ton) - you're welcome to file an edit warring complaint against me if you wish (for making one revert in 24 hrs I guess), but otherwise, you're just making excuses.Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    Well, it's easy to see that I have successfully reorganized one messy and disorderly subsections into two logically organized subsections. Why has this edit been stable for a couple days? Perhaps because it is obvious to NPOV editors that it balances the 'pro' and 'anti' sides of Putin assessment, and fronts the mainstream points of view, in contrast to the previous version, which fronted the 'Putin is a dictator!' allegation by an opposition politician. As I've said repeatedly, the 'Assessments' subsection can be improved (especially the 'anti' Putin paragraph) and I will try to do so if others do not.Haberstr (talk) 17:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    It's not "reorganization" it's removal of stuff you don't like, i.e. a revert. It hasn't "been stable", it's just that other editors aren't edit warring like you so they don't revert as much as you. To call that "stable" is disingenuous ("I reverted four times, others reverted only twice, so it's a "stable version", ha!") Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:DHeyward reported by User:PeterTheFourth (Result: )

    Page: Gamergate controversy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: DHeyward (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to: Specific content being reverted to is attribution of 'pedophilia apologist' description of Rapp to Walton

    The bullshit detector is going off. . It was removed immediately after you said it. Replaced with a ource with quote. --DHeyward (talk) 06:55, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. DHeyward initially adds content attributing description of Rapp as pedophilia apologist to Walton
    2. After being reverted by Strongjam, DHeyward adds content again
    3. After being reverted by me (PeterTheFourth), DHeyward adds content again

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: Fairly old notice of 1RR by me. DHeyward is aware the page is under 1RR.

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Latest comment in section I made about this specific issue, before DHeyward made his second revert.

    Comments:
    None are reverts. Each edit is incremental based on feedback. I've replaced reverts with sources and wording based on talk page comments. Even the diffs above acknowledge content added (to address concerns). The reverts by PtF have no attribution and are vague, BLP violations with negative tone implying the subject 'stripped.' The reverts are the disruptive edits. Wording can be changed as I've done, but removing Jamie Walton is not supported. There is no edit warring by me as every concern has been addressed with either sourcing or wording. The boomerang should be flying as the the only reverts are by PtF. --DHeyward (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


    Page is under 1RR- I believe DHeyward has reverted twice. Normally I would ask editors to self-revert, but in the past it has not been my experience that this has been helpful in dealing with this editor. Pinging Strongjam as he was also involved. PeterTheFourth (talk) 05:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    The original paragraph was new and vague. As you noted, each edit I made was incremental with sourcing. You can continue to revert or work on consensus. Ignoring 6 reliable sources that mention the antagonist is not okay, nor is mischaracterizing edits with improvements as "edit warring." --DHeyward (talk) 06:14, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    Here's the latest where I replaced wording you objected to with language used by the source. It removes the "pedophilia apologist" language you objected to immediately after you identified it. If you revert without proper explanation, it can't be anticipated especially when the quote are stronger than the paraphrased language. No, it's not edit warring to fix issues identified on talk with sourcing and new wording. Why is there an issue if the language identified had been removed many revisions ago? Gaming the system is frowned upon. --DHeyward (talk) 06:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Speaking of gaming the system, isn't it remarkable how an activist's opinion of a harassment target's student assignment merits so much encyclopedic attention, while things embarrassing to Gamerrgate-- Obama's rose garden speech -- are rigorously opposed by the same editor and their customary cadre? And somehow that cadre of gamergate fans escapes sanction while here, once more, using Misplaced Pages to punish a product manager for her imagined opposition to letting gamers vary the breast size of a player character? 'Cause that's what's happening here. MarkBernstein (talk) 11:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    NOTE: Administrators are advised that the comment above is made in violation of a topic ban; see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/Log#GamerGate 2 - Ryk72 05:14, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    Firstly, I wouldn't have even mentioned Alison Rapp at all. Secondly, the parts I edited were to remove inferred views and replace them with attributed views (Obama doesn't mention GG and opposition is directly due to inferences that needed to be made). It made no sense to say that the same group simultaneously opposed and supported sexualized game characters. Indeed, when we examine the sources we find they are not the same and attribution clears up that confusing narrative. The activist that took issue with the essay in no way supports varying the breast size of children depicted in games no matter how many times you try to word it that way and you should stop trying. It takes only a few minutes of reading to learn that Rapp is a young women who shouldn't be memorialized on Misplaced Pages for being fired for something completely unrelated to gamergate and using her experience to score anti-GG talking points is rather disgusting. --DHeyward (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    The edits PTF complains of are not full reversions, they are partial reversions at worst and in any event they are responsive to concerns raised by PTF and others on the talk page. No action is needed here. -Starke Hathaway (talk) 13:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    1RR is intended as a bright-line. Changing your edit slightly to fit with something raised does not make it not a revert if you are still reinserting the rest of the content that is disputed. PeterTheFourth (talk) 13:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Nothing to see here. PetertheFourth objected on the talk page that DHeyward was "specifically attributing that to Walton" and said "I really don't think we can to this at this phase." So DHeyward went back and found ample sources, all from reliable sources, to support the Walton attribution. And now the PetertheFourth attempts to wikilawyer 1RR, which was never meant to punish people for fixing specific objections with better sourcing or serving as a pretext for WP:JDLI

    Also worth nothing that once again, Mark Bernstein refuses to WP:AGF in this very discussion by characterizing people who disagree with him as a cadre committing acts of bad faith, behavior that has been repeated in practically every comment he's made recently on this page, now that I look hp the history. I think a boomerang is in order, and a particularly large one that takes out Bernstein as well given that editor's extensive block log and continued refusal to WP:AGF. And for the record, the only thing I ever contributed on the Gamergate issue was happening onto a hashtag advocacy argument in which I added a very *negative* citation on GamerGate. Let's clean up this article before it ends up back in AE. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Just to clarify, when I say "practically every comment he's made recently on this page," I'm referring to the Gamergate controversy talk page, not the edit warring noticeboard. Sorry for the unclear wording. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 13:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Support boomerang against PetertheFourth and MarkBernstein. I have no idea how MarkBernstein's comment above is relevant, and this isn't the first time (or the 20th time) that I've felt this way after reading something he wrote. The ownership of the Gamergate article topics and the attacks against good faith editors trying to make improvements need to stop now. Mr Ernie (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    That DHeyward's edits aren't identical and progressively add more sources isn't really relevant. What is relevant is that he reinserted the bulk of text that Strongjam removed (the only alteration being changing "a second" to "an") and all of the text that PeterTheFourth removed. I don't see how that is anything but a full revert of their edits. Torven (talk) 00:14, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:Zjec reported by User:73.168.15.161 (Result: )

    Page: Daredevil (Marvel Comics) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Zjec (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

    Comments:

    User has been edit-warring with User:Tenebrae and User:NukeofEarl since March to keep a relatively minor character listed in the lead section. 73.168.15.161 (talk) 11:39, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    Nonsense. Fortuna 12:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    Hardly nonsense. User:Zjec edit-warred just today, here, with the latest of his snarky, inappropriate edit-summaries and in defiance of WP:BRD. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
    Well yeah. Since that particular diff is already on the reporting list, it can hardly be said to augment any edit war. Fortuna 13:06, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:Sramos92 reported by User:DrFleischman (Result: Warned)

    Page: Amity Shlaes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Sramos92 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempts to resolve dispute on article talk page: ,

    Comments:
    I am not suggesting this is a 3RR violation because the reverts did not take place during a 24 hour period. This is an extremely slow-moving edit war, but it is a full-blown edit war nonetheless. Sramos92 appears to be taking a "wait it out" approach by avoiding the long-existing discussion in the hopes of simply outlasting those with whom he/she disagrees.

    Also, I think it's important to note that a 24-hour block may be ineffective due to the slow pace of the edit warring behavior. I don't know what an appropriate sanction would be in this situation. Perhaps an official warning (short term block?) from an administrator, followed by an automatic permanent page ban if the behavior continues.

    --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:22, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:GroGaBa reported by User:Minorities observer (Result: )

    Page: Samandağ (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: GroGaBa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: no attempt as User:GroGaBa doesn't seem to be on[REDACTED] to "contribute" but to delete elements he politically disapproves and only intervenes on the same paragraph (already a few years ago, by the way)

    Comments:

    Minorities observer (talk) 20:52, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


    This guy insists on adding an obscure political figure from Belgium that has no involvement whatsoever in Samandağ's political or social life, in the section "Local Politics" (emphasis mine), just because of his family background. On top of that, he blindly reverts my edits by tagging them as vandalism. I can hardly find a decent source about this person in English, let alone a source that makes him noteworthy in Samandağ. And even if we were to mention him it wouldn't be in the section "Local Politics", or any other section of the current version, like "History" or "Geography", unless there was a source connecting him with these specific topics, i think i'm talking common sense. I would be happy to discuss with Minorities observer about this as long as he is advised to quit his incivility and show good faith. A technical comment: diff shows the revert of a six-months old edit by Minorities observer, i'm not sure how this counts in the 3RR rule implementation as it wasn't a revert of a "fresh" edit, that's not my decision, just noting. GroGaBa (talk) 00:11, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    As I don't consider that person as a legitimate user (intervenes under this "identity" on only one article since 2011, once every 2/3 years) nor as a bona fide one (see the dates of his/her contributions, including a personal attack linked to the deleted sentence in the Samandağ article), I won't engage in any discussion with him/her. --Minorities observer (talk) 11:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    You only need to see Minorities observer's talk page to understand he treats more established users that don't agree with him the same way as me. I'm not going to invest time answering these personal accusations unless i'm asked by an admin for my input. GroGaBa (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
    • Comment Having now examined both sides of the dispute- which ultimately is a content dispute anyway- I should point out that the reporter's behaviour here is itself less than prime, which what can only be described as a default position towards not assuming good faith. His edit summaries repeatedly accuse the previous editor of vandalism and of being politically motivated, and even above he feels entitled to not consider another editor 'legitimate.' Indeed, it could be argued that his restoration of this material this February- after years' absence- acted against the by-then established consensus of the community, and was therefore directly responsible for this current situation. Cheers, Fortuna 14:40, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:MaverickLittle reported by User:Winkelvi (Result: )

    Page
    Ted Cruz (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported
    MaverickLittle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Previous version reverted to
    Diffs of the user's reverts
    1. 09:44, 7 April 2016 (UTC) "/* Primary results */ Removed the table again. There is an ongoing discussion on the talk page concerning this section. So far there is no support for the table. Please discuss on talk page."
    2. 22:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC) "RadarOnLine is not a reliable source."
    3. 18:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC) "Reverting the article back to the consensus version until a new consensus can be established. Let's discuss how to move forward. The consensus version will remain until new consensus reached."
    4. 18:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC) "Undid revision 713944510 by Muboshgu (talk)Don't you think that amount of deletion deserves some kind of discussion? Yes, it does. Please go to the talk page with your concerns first."
    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning


    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page
    1. 18:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC) "/* Presidential primary results */ resp"
    2. 18:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC) "/* Presidential primary results */ resp regarding an obvious misconception of what edit warring and brd actually are"
    Comments:

    User is not only continuing to engage in edit warring behavior following discussion regarding same on talk page, but has violated the discretionary sanctions rule at this article by doing so. -- WV 09:58, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    I think that, in addition to being a tendetious contributor, whose edits are likely to trigger edit warring, there is an underlying issue of competence here. I am concerned that MaverickLittle doesn't know how to discuss their edits in a civil, collegial manner. I am concerned that certain phrases they have used in their edit summaries suggest a fundamental misunderstanding of key policies.

    1. I weighed in with some small good faith edits, at Ted Cruz: , . MaverickLittle reverted both good faith edits, just a few minutes later, and then proved unable to explain themselves, or to respond following the guidelines and traditions as to how to participate in discussions. Even if their edit summary was a valid reason for an excision, it would only have applied to my second edit, not my first.
    2. This comment shows MaverickLittle does not know how to read a diff. I'd provided a diff, and, in their comment it they admonish me for not cutting and pasting the passage they thought was problematic into the discussion itself.
    3. I left a note on User talk:MaverickLittle, requesting they consult the guidelines on how to participate in discussions -- which they erased, without acknowledgment, suggesting to me that they are uninterested in learning how to explain themselves in a policy compliant manner.

    Some contributor's participation in discussions is unresponsive, or appears uncivil, or childish, for reasons that are relatively unembarrassing. Some participants who leave childish responses are actual precocious children; some are people who seem rude because they are still learning English, as a second language; some are intelligent people who have dyslexia, or another learning disability, that interferes with their ability to communicate clearly. ESL people, precocious children, and those with dyslexia, should all be congratulated for trying to make useful contributions to the wikipedia. But, until they can respond to questions, and explain themself clearly, they should be discouraged from making edits so complicated they require discussion, require explanation.

    With regard to failing to understand key policies -- this edit's edit summary says: "we don't speculate". WP:NOR bars[REDACTED] contributors from placing their own personal speculation into articles. Policy does not bar including neutrally written, properly attributed, coverage of speculation from reliable, verifiable sources. I find it alarming that MaverickLittle doesn't seem to understand this point. Geo Swan (talk) 13:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    Yes, he does seem to have a consistently weird notion regarding policy. There is also consistent and strong tendency toward WP:IDHT when approached about their poor behavior and communication choices as well as WP:IDLI in regard to edits made by others at articles he "favors". I have attempted to approach him countless times since late last summer regarding a variety of things. I am told by him repeatedly that because I am not an administrator I have no voice in his world. Because of his penchant for removing everything placed on his talk page, I have now taken to communicating with him on talk pages that are not in his userspace so there is a visible and easily accessible record. -- WV 17:32, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:Thetruthwater856870321868 reported by User:Jytdog (Result: )

    Page: Asperger syndrome (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: Thetruthwater856870321868 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to: diff

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    • This is a slow-motion edit war.
    1. diff March 30
    2. diff March 30
    3. diff April 1
    4. diff April 7
    5. diff April 7
    6. diff April 7
    • Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: link March 30
    • Warned by another user here on April 1
    • asked them to come to Talk page here April 1

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: diff

    Comments:
    User has never talked to us. Not once. Jytdog (talk) 22:11, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:101.178.163.8 reported by User:A guy saved by Jesus (Result: )

    Page
    Bee Gees (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported
    101.178.163.8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Previous version reverted to
    Diffs of the user's reverts
    1. 02:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC) "Undid revision 714165932 by A guy saved by Jesus (talk)"
    2. 01:35, 8 April 2016 (UTC) "Undid revision 714165617 by A guy saved by Jesus (talk)"
    3. 01:31, 8 April 2016 (UTC) "Who cares about the lines? There is no reason for not adding nationality."
    4. 01:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC) "Undid revision 714067304 by RyanTQuinn (talk)"
    Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning
    1. 01:33, 8 April 2016 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring on Bee Gees. (TW)"
    2. 01:39, 8 April 2016 (UTC) "/* April 2016 */ Last warning"
    Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page


    Comments:

    A previous discussion on this article's talk page led to a consensus that the band's nationality should not be included in the first paragraph. This IP editor disagrees, but they have resorted to edit warring about it instead of trying to reach a new consensus on the talk page, despite my attempts at reasoning with them. A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 02:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

    User:NHK1212 reported by User:Rajmaan (Result: )

    Page: Koreans in China (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: NHK1212 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Koreans_in_China&diff=714170646&oldid=712410384
    2. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Koreans_in_China&diff=714170913&oldid=714170715
    3. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Koreans_in_China&diff=714173653&oldid=714171492


    1. Earlier he used the account Hkboy99 but now he has apparently switched to NHK1212 to revert and add the exact same changes to the aritcle.

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Cluebot and an ip address tried to warn him on his talk page but he refuses to listen. Lathdrinor dealt with his Hkboy99 account before

    Comments:


    User:SaintAviator reported by User:Volunteer Marek (Result: )

    Page: Panama Papers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
    User being reported: SaintAviator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


    Previous version reverted to:

    Diffs of the user's reverts:

    1. (misleading edit summary - it's not deletion of repetition, it's straight up deletion of sourced material)
    2. (misleading edit summary - it's not a "reorganization", it's deletion of sourced material, hidden by moving some paragraphs around)
    3. (misleading edit summary - it's not a "BLP violation", it's deletion of sourced material, in fact, this hardly has anything to do with BLP which is just being used as an excuse to edit war)
    4. (bad faithed edit summary - the user requests BRD but has failed to participate in any of the relevant discussions)
    5. (ditto - user demands BRD but is not discussing anything with anyone, just edit warring)
    6. (misleading edit summary - it's not "grammar", it's removal of well sourced information)
    7. (misleading edit summary - ref works just fine, and if it didn't the proper thing to do is to fix it. This is just being used as an excuse to edit war)

    There's several additional reverts made just outside the 24 hour period, but 7RR in 24 hrs are sufficient.

    Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

    The user is clearly aware of 3RR , and has reported others for less before . He has also, ironically enough, left a 3RR warning on User:Nomoskedasticity's page , even though that user did not come close to breaking 3RR. As User:Jolly Janner said "(the warning) establishes your own awareness of the rule"

    Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: - note the user made only single comment, and not a particularly relevant one at that. There are also one or two other sections on talk page which are related, which the user also failed to comment in.

    Comments:

    It's seven reverts in 24 hrs. Non-consecutive. Reverting multiple users. It's edit warring, straight up. Additionally, the misuse of edit summaries to make the edits seem like something other than what they are indicates that this being done in bad faith.

    The user has also made 3 reverts on a related article , , . This one is not a 3RR violation per se, but it does show the proclivity to edit war (across multiple articles simultaneously).

    Hello. Panama Papers: I created the Russia section, The Ukrainian President section, and another which I just noticed was moved to Russia. On the Craig Murray edits there were mass reverts during BLD discussions. Which I thought mean spirited as the editor who made it was explaining himself. My edit summary message was ignored and reverted so I took a tea break, then went to discuss. It resolved OK after that. I did not See VM there but this notice may be spill over tension from Putin. Which has deep history as we all know. I put a tag up on Russia in Panama Papers explaining its a news story and changes may be ongoing as things change. Sommeone removed it. Which is a pity. I got no warning of this problem until I came back on after gardening and saw 2 alerts. I was tasked, we all were, by the admin, Drmies, to reduce Vladimir Putin article as it too big. Its been a success, this is ongoing. VM has objected to this, recently on Drmies page. I think in summary Panama Papers is a developing story, its fluid. I have made positive contributions. Im not there to war, but the POV in Russia needs collaborative fixing. Im ready to discuss. So I'm starting a thread there SaintAviator lets talk 05:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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