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How about replacing the current infobox withspy infobox?—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   23:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

It'd be too early, after all he's just an alleged spy.  sami  10:14, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. But is there a need to declare right in the very first sentence that he was a former Navy officer? I think that too is early.Your thoughts, please.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   11:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

You may amend the text, please.  sami  19:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Keep it

It is a very important international development and both the Indian and Pakistani accounts of the story are presented. Please keep this article.--Intellectual123 cool (talk) 17:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

India claims

Folks, please be careful with attributions like "India claims," unless the sources say that. Attributions need to be exact. No WP:SYNTHESIS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:19, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so how should '(Indian) Government sources said....' should be attributed?—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   15:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Just like it says in the source. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Agreed.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   16:05, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

• I rephrased the lead sentence from "Kulbhushan Yadav is an Indian Navy officer arrested in Balochistan" to "Kulbhushan Yadav is an Indian national arrested in Balochistan" to make it more neutral, especially since the following sentence cites opposing claims from both the countries. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 20:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

After this exercise, replacing infobox military with infobox spy (as discussed above) would be congruous with other articles related to (Indian) nationals arresting over spying. Pinging @TripWire:  sami  22:09, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I think it is the appropriate time to do that. Bogged down response from the Indian govt to claim Yadav, the fact that Pakistan is in possession of solid evidence of him being a spy (as being mentioned in mainstream news), and that India did not actually submit a formal request for consular access to Yadav (in writing), but have created only a media hype around this gives us enough reason to change to infobox spy.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   22:23, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

You would need WP:THIRDPARTY secondary sources to do such labelling. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:52, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Good thing that you brought in labelling which says it is allowed if "widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject". Now we know that the term used (widely) for describing Yadav is "Spy" by almost all RS. Going by that, like I said earlier, it is the appropriate time to use the Infobox Spy. Less of course, you in your POV, label him differently.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   06:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Naela Quadri Baloch

@The Masked Man of Mega Might: Why removing sourced info? You can re-phrase some of the words if necessary, Given that only the last line seems to me a bit copy of the source. WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT is no excuse to remove reliably sourced content. I suggest you to do a self-revert. MBlaze Lightning -talk! 08:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Not happening. I have no opinion on the content. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 08:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Then why you reverted me? If you have no opinion on that content. Then why are you even removing it? MBlaze Lightning -talk! 08:26, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

The Zee source says World Baloch Women’s Forum president Naela Quadri Baloch on Saturday denied having any information about the alleged 'RAW agent'. She further said India must support the people of Balochistan and stop Pakistan from committing genocide against her people. You wrote "President of World Baloch Women’s Forum Naela Quadri Baloch' has however, claimed that Pakistan have no information about the alleged RAW agent. She further said India must support the people of Balochistan and stop Pakistan from committing genocide against her people." This is an exact reproduction of the news story and is not permitted on Misplaced Pages. I've linked to the relevant policies in the edit summary. Diannaa has already provided you with the copyright guidelines in the section User talk:MBlaze Lightning#Misplaced Pages and copyright on your talk page. Please go through it once again. The Masked Man of Mega Might (talk) 08:35, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Apart from the copyvio, I do have a problem with the content. Who is this Baloch? Her word against the words of an Indian Union Minister, DG ISPR, Indian Intelligence Officials and Pakistan's Information Minister? I doubt that her words should have a place wt Misplaced Pages, even if we consider WP:FRINGE. Going by this, tomorrow you or another editor will try to add content from the mouth of every tommy, dicky and hamesh from both side of the border, and that cant be allowed. BTW, you should know she's an Afgahn trying to champion the cause of Balochs. Funny.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   09:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

WP:NPOV & COPYVIO edits

The recent WP:NPOV edits need to be discussed. The editor should also refrain from COPYVIO while adding content especially if there's no consensus for the same.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   15:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

What is the WP:NPOV problem here? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

For the starters, removing the entire infobox.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   15:36, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

It is clear to me from the edit summary that Ghatus removed the infobox precisely because it didn't represent consensus among reliable sources, i.e., it was against NPOV.

What else do you have? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

We dont go by personal opinions. A discussion has already been carried out here for why the infobox was in the article. You may like to see that.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Tell me which ones you object to and you will be given reasons. Reverted attempts to push Pak PoV as the neutral PoV. As far as the INFOBOX is concerned, it ONLY represents the Pakistani claims,which are "rejected" by Indian authorities. That is why it should never be in the lead section. Do you ave any neutral source to prove him as an Indian spy? You only have Pakistani claims which India rejects. On the contrary, the Iranian President has reacted to it as a rumor. So, go and read rules first.Ghatus (talk) 16:43, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

First, I would request and suggest you that you need to improve your tone. As this is not how we talk here at Misplaced Pages. Second, it was decided that in order to keep the article in compliance with other articles related tp Indian spies, the infobox be changed. I didnt see you commenting in that discussion? So, you now by removing it by saying that it is Pakistani POV and without getting consensus for the change simply means that it is indeed you who are pushing the Indian POV.

No country accepts a spy, so saying that it was "rejected" by Indian carries no value. Rest of the POV that you pushed in the article by adding opinions is also POV pushing. Also, CopyVio-ing the info is taken quite seriously here at Misplaced Pages. So, why dont you "go and read rules first."?—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡   17:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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