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I am contributing to the entry for Pirate Radio and several related station pages as well as Herbert W. Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God since all of these topics are related. I intend to add a lot more information to this page.

I admit to making a mistake when creating this page because I originally accidentally created "World tomorrow" and I discovered that once I had done so, I could not undo it, so I created this page. If someone would be kind enough to remove that original page I would appreciate it. Thanks. MPLX/MH 05:41, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Another group called only "church of God", from Modesto CA, appears to run a radio program, and a website called the "Wonderful World Tomorrow". The slightly more upbeat sounding name appears to be an intentional tie-in although I see no evidence that the group is related to the Herbert W. Armstrong radio-program. --wpostma

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Requested Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: do not move as proposed. Instead move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) to The World Tomorrow. The consensus of this discussion is that there is no primary topic. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

The World Tomorrow (radio and television) → The World Tomorrow – Presently The World Tomorrow redirects to World Tomorrow by Assange. Assange's program was called World Tomorrow, not The World Tomorrow, whereas this long-running radio and television show is actually called The World Tomorrow and is the primary use for The World Tomorrow and has great prominence over Asange's show that doesn't have the definit article. Another important distinction. Asange show was 12 episodes running from 17 April to 3 July 2012, and was scrapped. So a minimal run of less than 3 months. The proper The World Tomorrow has been going on since 1934 and is heard by huge number of listeners and attended by a huge number of TV viewers. Assange program can be served by a disambiguation on top of this page for the religious broadcasts werldwayd (talk) 03:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support restore of redirect of The World Tomorrow to The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) as before this edit. Or better still, move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) over The World Tomorrow. The Armstrong WCOG radio program certainly has massive prominence over Assange but isn't a clear primary, since the socialist-Christian magazine 1918-1934 has a surprisingly large showing in Google Books. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• Move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) to The World Tomorrow - Just to note, the move of the disambig to the primary name would be better than the cut/paste of content (cut/paste conceals attribution history). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:46, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• After further consideration of the valuable comments of the two colleagues above, I, as the original propser of the move, am now more convinced that they are making a valid point and I support renderring The World Tomorrow as the main disambiguation. This would be the best course without given prominence to the neither radio/Tv religious show, nor the magazine nor the Assange series. werldwayd (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose as originally proposed the disambiguation page should be restored to its location prior to the 2012 rename, which is the suggested destination of this request nomination. So move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) to The World Tomorrow -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hoax section?

I have tagged the "Archived episodes" section of this article as a possible hoax, as this content has been repeatedly added while referencing a source which appears to have nothing to do with the assertions made. Roberticus talk 21:24, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

If anybody presents a reliable source attesting to the content, or can explain how this seemingly unrelated source is relevant to the claims made in the section, I do not oppose removal of said tag... Roberticus talk 21:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

These are the citation links necessary to validate the section that should be inserted. The links confirm the section related to Senator Robert Dole and the Congress archive World Tomorrow holdings.

• https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/9770.19.0.0/religion/wcg/us
• http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/religion/mptv.html
• http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.com/telecast.html
• http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/indexVideo.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.47.211.3 (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, at least the first link you provide gives a source for some of the claims; however, I'm not sure that this publication would be considered a reliable source as it's biased pro-Armstrongism and may not have the fact-checking or editorial control generally expected of sources. The Library of Congress link provides no add'l confirmation. The final two prove that archived episodes exist online, and that Sadat was interviewed at one time, but I couldn't find any help on the claims regarding Bob Dole and again. Roberticus talk 14:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

The congress library link proves the holdings or archive episodes of world tomorrow with herbert armstrong and garner armstrong are among their archives, while the first link proves doles involvement with the preservation. Any white house records would prove the dinner with Sadat and guest list. Dole was the Senate Agriculture chair during the timeframe mentioned. These are the links to the congress holdings and archived epidodes of ted armstrong which edited from the library holdings and put on tv as reruns. And a link to aukerman already exists among the articles citations. This articles archived episodes section presents a facisating to read about the incredible events and people involved in this television program preservtion and discovery among the US congress archives. I also found some links to the edited rerun congress tapes of herbert armstrong and the walk tv cable weekly schedule clearly shows both garner ted armstong and the world tomorrow shows air back to back every saturday morning.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/religion/mptv.html

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1284860

https://m.yutube.com/watch?v=lu02cjN8Njc

https://vimeo.com/37827769

https://vimeo.com/38265023

https://www.denveropenmedia.org/shows/world-tomorrow-are-you-being-judged

https://www.denveropenmedia.org/shows/world-tomorrow-gospel-sign

www.theworldtomorrow.tv

www.thewalktv.files.wordpress.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.62.55.226 (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I have changed the tag to be one which calls for better reliable sources, but unfortunately most/all of what you offer above are either primary sources (yes the shows exist on some video sharing sites), from sites like imdb (which like Misplaced Pages anyone can edit so not good) or, for the source which currently is cited re: the section's claims, are actually from the comments section of an article which mentions G.T. Armstrong I never could find anything from the Library of Congress site either which verifies inclusion of The World Tomorrow. If no better sourcing can be found, the content could very well be removed by someone else down the road... Roberticus talk 13:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk about grasping at straws to attempt to delete an entire article section. Roberticus has made numerous edits to this article over the years to the detriment of the article. In his claim above he states "I never could find anything from the Library of Congress site either which verifies inclusion of "The World Tomorrow".

Well, Roberticus needs to do a little better reading. The above links need to be included as citations for the article section in dispute. Failure to include the links smacks of continued vandelism to the article and this particular section.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/religion/mptv.html

United States Library of Congress Description of Collections

Videos and Sound Recordings: Because the collection is not cataloged by subject for the most part, it is not possible to provide detailed information about religion-related holdings of films and videotapes. Consultation with reference staff is recommended to find needed materials. The collection is strong in materials submitted to the Library for copyright, and so includes a reasonably complete collection of religious-themed feature films made and/or distributed in the United States, ranging from traditional Biblical epics (e.g. The Ten Commandments, 1956; the 1925 silent version of Ben-Hur) to films offering social comment on religion (Elmer Gantry, 1960) to more contemporary works (The Last Temptation of Christ, 1989; The Rapture, 1992; Little Buddha, 1993). There may also be found dramatizations of religious literature, e.g. the 1991 production of the Mahabharata by Peter Brooks. Television programs in the collection include documentaries (e.g. The Long Search, a 1978 BBC/Time-Life production examining the major world religions), and evangelistic programs such as The World Tomorrow (from the Worldwide Church of God, featuring Garner Ted Armstrong and Herbert W. Armstrong; Library of Congress holdings run from 1978 to 1983.

(Actually the holdings run from 1972 to 1994).

I made four edits over the course of a week last April, and stand by them. I do acknowledge that the Library of Congress does have a relevant bit verify its inclusion in the collection, therefore I dropped any challenge to that portion of the section. Roberticus talk 14:31, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Also, the imdb sourcing does include some photos indicating a connection to Armstrongism, but it doesn't establish the claims in the article, and either way is not usable per WP:CITEIMDB Roberticus talk 14:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Senator mentioned

After reviewing the content, I see that the mention that "Senator Bob Dole ordered the preservation of all copies" was unsourced. Without that link, all further mentions of Dole lost any context or reason to even be in the article. Also, the claim of the program being the only one of a religious nature in the archives was original research. After pruning the unsourced, lacking context, and WP:NOR statements in the section, the only remaining supported statement is that the archive exists. I've now moved that remaining mention into being a sub-section of the "Format" section, as it fitx in that context. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Roberticus edit history displays a clear person biased history of disruptive editing to this article and numerous ARMSTRONGISM related Misplaced Pages articles. Roberticus disruptive editing of these related Misplaced Pages articles has taken place for several years

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1284860

These links prove the Dole Loc World Tomorrow preservation:

http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/Video/index.html

https://m.thetrumpet.com/articles/9770,19

http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2012/08/hwa-films-preserved-forever-in-library.html?m=1

https://m.thetrumpet.com/articles/9770,19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.201.128 (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

As I mentioned on my talk page, continued personal attacks are only likely to result in additional blocks of your IPs. Please remain WP:CIVIL in discussions.

As to the sources mentioned; the article is about The World Tomorrow, not tangential subject matter and anecdotes. Even if it were somehow relevant, the EE-times article never mentions it - the mention of Dole only happens in the comments, which fails WP:RS.

As to the archiving, the article already states that the material was placed into the Library of Congress archives; that fact is well sourced and not in question, it was never removed from the article. As to Dole's connection to that event - most of the ones you list fail WP:RS. The only one which is borderline would be The Philadelphia Trumpet, which I should point out was not in the article at the time that I removed the unsourced claims from the article. Although the original text in the article was that "Senator Bob Dole ordered the preservation ...", while The Trumpet states "It was in 1978 during his tenure as Kansas senator that Mr. Dole made the request for the preservation of episodes of The World Tomorrow. The request was approved ...", so if community consensus supports adding the mention, it should be rephrased to match the source material. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

A handful of friends/quote unquote editors - run and rule Misplaced Pages. Barek contacted his buddy to punish or as they call it temp blocking someone who does not agree with their disruptive edits which they falsely label personal attacks. If you disagree with a Misplaced Pages super editor, that super editor will immediately private message one of his super editor pals and the buddy will block any newcomer. No wonder Misplaced Pages is suffering and under current public smear as being run by a handful of 90 percent male super editor egotists. Library of Congress source: The World Tomorrow preservation in national archives

https://books.google.com/books?id=Z0whAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA2745&lpg=PA2745&dq=Congress+preserving+library+herbert+w+armstrong&source=bl&ots=vOUvs25Vzh&sig=R1gJS6-NCbRxCW-y37J-XgldlrY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSp73I2LfMAhVKu4MKHcAwAOgQ6AEINDAJ#v=onepage&q=Congress%20preserving%20library%20herbert%20w%20armstrong&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.231.89 (talk) 03:09, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

All that link shows is that the recordings are in the Film and Television archives of the United States Library of Congress - a fact that is already stated in the article, and which was never removed from the article.

As to your blathering rant - it is so far detached from reality, I don't really see a point in responding to it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Then why did you just respond?? A handful of Bickering blathering predominantly male so called super wiki editors like you and your pals run and rule your private little cyberspace club called Misplaced Pages. Will you, now at this time restore the section referencing Senator Bob Doles preservation of The World Tomorrow in the Libriary of Congress archives, which you and your buddies destructively edited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.199.111 (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

The Decline of Misplaced Pages MIT technology review https://www.technologyreview.com/s/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.199.111 (talk) 19:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC) Considering my newcomer experience with Barek and his alter egos with this particular article, the following piece of research on The decline of Misplaced Pages was spot on correct! The sixth most widely used website in the world is not run anything like the others in the top 10. It is not operated by a sophisticated corporation but by a leaderless collection of volunteers who generally work under pseudonyms and habitually bicker with each other. It rarely tries new things in the hope of luring visitors; in fact, it has changed little in a decade. And yet every month 10 billion pages are viewed on the English version of Misplaced Pages alone. When a major news event takes place, such as the Boston Marathon bombings, complex, widely sourced entries spring up within hours and evolve by the minute. Because there is no other free information source like it, many online services rely on Misplaced Pages. Look something up on Google or ask Siri a question on your iPhone, and you’ll often get back tidbits of information pulled from the encyclopedia and delivered as straight-up facts.

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There is no point in restoring content that fails WP:RS. Your conspiracy theories are laughable and utterly absurd. If you can't stick to discussing content and can only rant about some bizarre imagined cabal, then I don't see a point in replying further. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:24, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Then, why do you KEEP continuing replying further, Barek? Because you are a "super" editor and therefore you MUST have it your way without having any newcomers usurp your authority, and you definitely must always have the last word! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.199.111 (talk) 21:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

ScrapIron,

Also please explain the COI template by beginning a talk as required by Misplaced Pages rules: Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.225.156 (talk) 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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