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Use of name

I wonder why she is referred to by her first name Imelda and not her last name Marcos through the article ? Iselilja (talk) 22:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right that it should be changed. Why not be bold and change it yourself? Be careful, however, not to introduce ambiguities; in sentences which could also be about her husband or son, you'll need to include some clue as to which Marcos you're referring to. There's a discussion on proper use of names in biographical articles at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Biographies. --Alexbook (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
exclamation mark  Note that Theparties (talk · contribs) is a now blocked sockpuppet of indef-banned 23prootie (talk · contribs)220 of 07:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
@Iselilja: I was wondering that myself, but when I boldly fixed the issue, I was reverted! . See #Requested move 21 August 2015 below for the 'aftermath'. 220 of 07:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Quote section?

Why is there a quote section? Mark Twain does not even have one. This seems like a bit of adulatory fluff not needed for the article.96.41.43.212 (talk) 03:44, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

exclamation mark  All the discussions above this point were removed without any explanation in July 2015. I have 'manually' reverted those two(2) edits, so it doesn't seem to have been by mistake. 220 of 06:10, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 21 August 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure) Imeldific (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Imelda Marcos → Imelda – Because...

Imeldific (talk) 22:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hatting courtesy me! 220 of 06:16, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 Comment:. My edit here and move proposers edits here (basically blindly reverting my edit without any explanation) are related to the naming issue and should be of interest. 220 of 06:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
No problem, but I still think it was an improvement! 220 of 07:29, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Close as frivolous the number of historical figures generally known by first name only is tiny and Mrs Marcos isn't one of them. An article called 'Imelda', could be about anything, even the present redirect is probably wrong 'Imelda' should go to the name, the title there btw could be wrong, since the name is only originally Italian and includes a few places etc..Pincrete (talk) 11:41, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 Comment: @Pincrete: Curiouser and curiouser! The redirect was, for over 9.5 years until 23 March 2015‎, exactly as you said. It was changed by Luvcookies (talk · contribs) who was a blocked as a sock of an indef banned editor. Very interesting! - 220 of 12:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 Comment: № 2 - I have re-directed Imelda back to Imelda (Italian given name), so at least it no longer goes to Marcos. Wait, do I hear a Duck quacking? 220 of 12:16, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 Comment: № 3 - Those ducks are now deafening! I was wondering what the username 'Imeldific' was about, see Wiktionary:Imeldific - 220 of 12:29, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Fairly trivial point in the circumstances, but while we are about it, does it make sense to change Imelda (Italian given name) to Imelda (name) or plain Imelda? Unsure of protocol here.Pincrete (talk) 13:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
I submitted a technical request to reverse that not-discussed move, see here. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Sorry, Pincrete. WP:NCP and WP:NATURAL would discourage such parenthetical disambiguation using just the first name, especially when "Imelda Marcos" is fairly often used name per many books and news articles, according to Google. And the proposed title violates WP:COMMONNAME, which says ambiguous names are discouraged, even when commonly used. George Ho (talk) 15:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
George Ho, sorry, but just to be clear 'Imelda' now redirects to Imelda (Italian given name) (a list of uses of "Imelda", most, but not all of which are human names). My suggestions were to change Imelda (Italian given name) to either Imelda (name) or plain Imelda, ie the name/dab becomes the primary topic of 'Imelda', there being unlikely to emerge another candidate for 'one word' primary.
I think the original name change proposal (Marcos, which I also oppose) is now 'dead in the water'. Pincrete (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
My mistake; modifying my post. George Ho (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 18:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imeldific (talk • contribs) 06:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
  • She is categorised as being a Visayan, but the article only mentions Spanish descent. Seems something is missing, since she is clearly not only Spanish. Perhaps there could also be a link to Filipino people of Spanish ancestry.
  • "She briefly dated Benigno Aquino, Jr." When?
  • " Imee, Ferdinand Jr., aka Bongbong, and Irene, and an adopted girl named Aimee." Could we get birth dates?
  • There seem to be more images at Commons, none that can be used?
  • What is her first language? Spanish or some native language?
  • "she was involved in altercations, including one with The Beatles and another with Dovie Beams" Could these be elaborated?
  • "an assassination attempt against" What was the motive?
  • "She also organized the" and "She also initiated". Seems repetitive with two consecutive sentences beginning with "she also".
  • You need page numbers for books.
  • "member of the Interim Batasang Pambansa" You could explain what this is.
  • "US$51-million" Needs spacing, same with "US$60-million" and other places.
  • "Although she declined buying the Empire State Building because she felt it was "too ostentatious."" I don't think you can say "although" there, but not sure.
  • There is some overlinking of words.
  • "In 1988, Imelda and Ferdinand Marcos, together with Adnan Khashoggi," What was their relation?
  • " fortune came from Yamashita's Gold." Briefly explain what this is.
  • "Monet’s “L’Église et La Seine à Vétheuil” (1881), Alfred Sisley’s “Langland Bay” (1887), and Albert Marquet’s “Le Cyprès de Djenan Sidi Said” (1946)." These names should be written in italics.
  • "Imelda is a fashion and pop culture icon" Where?
  • "known as the "Steel Butterfly." Why?
  • The intro seems a bit short for a article this size, it should summarise the entire article.
  • That's all for now, you there, Imeldific? FunkMonk (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Fixes look nice, though shouldn't "She has a collection of over a thousand pairs of shoes" be in past tense? FunkMonk (talk) 22:42, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
It's a technicality but okay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imeldific (talk • contribs) 01:04, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, she doesn't own them anymore it seems, anyhow, all looks good to me now, so will pass. FunkMonk (talk) 01:13, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

conjugal dictatorship listed at Redirects for discussion

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Imelda → Imelda Marcos

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: Imelda → Imelda Marcos (Search)(Images)(Books)(News)(Scholar)

no thanks. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Citation Law

The whole intro stating how she is the smartest and most educated and talented person in the world is entirely un-cited. Is this not a violation of wikilaw?2001:558:6012:5A:565:ABEA:FCDE:5BBD (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Imeldific

You are removing reliable sourced content from this article, without any respect for consensus or rules. Your user name and previous edits make it pretty clear that you are here with an agenda. I suggest that you learn a little about consensus, and communicate before attempting to remove content. Thanks Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Spacecowboy420 removed this
She was reelected. "Bongbong Marcos, Imelda and family pray for 'poll integrity'". Philippine Daily Inquirer. May 15, 2016. Retrieved May 26, 2016.
"Imelda, Imee poised for re-election in Ilocos Norte". ABS-CBN News. May 9, 2016. Retrieved May 26, 2016.
"The $10bn question: what happened to the Marcos millions?". The Guardian. May 7, 2016. Retrieved May 25, 2016. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
Productions in the American Conservatory Theater in San Francisco and the Seattle Repertory Theater were held during the 2016-17 season."Here Lies Love to Play West Coast's A.C.T." Playbill. April 15, 2016. Retrieved May 25, 2016.
"Here Lies Love to Play Seattle Rep". Playbill. April 25, 2016. Retrieved May 25, 2016.

Imeldific (talk) 08:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

12:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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07:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
You posted four diffs, in which I removed content from my own talk page. What is your point? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:24, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Spacecowboy420, I was trying to get your attention. The content you are removing are well-sourced and relevant to the historicity of the article. She won the election fair and square and she is the subject of cultural events around the world. My username may be unwise, it was not done to vandalise nor hurt the project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imeldific (talk • contribs) 08:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC) — Imeldific (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
as per WP:BRD I have reverted your BOLD edit. Now the burden is yours to obtain consensus for your proposed changes. Your edits are obvious lacking neutrality. You need to address every change you wish to make. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Also...you failed in your attempt to have the article moved to "imelda" - stop changing the name on the article. She is known as "imelda" in the Philippines, the rest of the world knows her as "imelda marcos" Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:33, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Spacecowboy420,

  1. She just won the election. Please look at the article. ("Imelda, Imee poised for re-election in Ilocos Norte". ABS-CBN News. May 9, 2016. Retrieved May 26, 2016.)
  2. The Here Lies Love section has been there for years. It is only getting an update. ("Here Lies Love to Play West Coast's A.C.T." Playbill. April 15, 2016. Retrieved May 25, 2016., "Here Lies Love to Play Seattle Rep". Playbill. April 25, 2016. Retrieved May 25, 2016.)
  3. The words "kleptocrat" and plunder are mentioned in the heading on the last paragraph with better flow and logic
  4. The are too much categories in the bottom which violates WP:Overcategorization.
  5. The use of her mononym "Imelda" has been mixed but there are references that use it alone without her married name both from inside and outside the Philippines. (Ellison, Katherine. Imelda, Steel Butterfly of the Philippines, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1988. ISBN 0-07-019335-5.)

Anymore?Imeldific (talk) 11:13, 31 May 2016 (UTC)


She won an election. Great. Put just that back, with reliable sources. Plunder and Kleptocrat are what she is best known for worldwide. Don't try and hide it later in the article. It deserves to be in the lead. Remove other less notable categories. It doesn't matter what she uses. You tried to move the article and were told no. The name used within the article and the article name should be the same.

Oh. you might want to take a look at Misplaced Pages:Single-purpose account Misplaced Pages:Advocacy WP:NOTSOAPBOX Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

It is in the lead. It is in the fourth paragraph. Please read it first. Imeldific (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
The controversial stateent has been moved to the top of the article. There. Imeldific (talk) 11:27, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Certain people have different naming conventions. See Che Guevarra, Catherine de' Medici, Dante Alighieri and Leonardo da Vinci
That's good and a step in the right direction, thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacecowboy420(talk • contribs) 08:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome.Imeldific (talk) 11:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, please read this whole section. Imeldific (talk) 11:39, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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