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:Hi ]. I'll take a look at it over the weekend. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 02:05, 2 July 2016 (UTC) :Hi ]. I'll take a look at it over the weekend. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 02:05, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

== Please tell me... ==

How it fits under war crimes, per the Rome Statute?

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2. For the purpose of this Statute, "war crimes" means:

(a) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
(i) Wilful killing;

(ii) Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;

(iii) Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;

(iv) Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

(v) Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;

(vi) Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;

(vii) Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;
*(d) "Deportation or forcible transfer of population" means forced displacement of the persons concerned by expulsion or other coercive acts from the area in which they are lawfully present, without grounds permitted under international law;

(viii) Taking of hostages.
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The depopulation as a whole was mostly not forced, with few exceptions (lydda and ramle)

And how does it count as terrorism? Terrorism must be committed by non-state actors. When it's done by a state the laws of war apply. And it's not a war crime. So yeah. --]<big>_</big>] 04:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

:Did the expulsions start on May 14? When did the Haganah, Etzel, and Lehi suddenly become state actors? And your blatant POV pushing is becoming tiresome. So yeah. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 05:33, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

:: When Israel became a state. After Israel was established irgun, lehi, and the haganah joined together and became the IDF. Massacres before then by can aptly be called zionist terrorism, massacres after are war crimes.--]<big>_</big>] 06:26, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::: My point is you have to go by a case by case basis. There's no nuance. It is illogical to have the page in both categories- they are mutually exclusive. The "expulsions" were a minority, I repeat. --]<big>_</big>] 06:31, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
::::]: what you are doing now, is ''really'' bad editing: you go around imposing rather controversial changes, ''without'' discussing them first! You should have been editing long enough to know this isn´t on. Please self-revert. Also, who the heck said that states do not commit massacres? Are you going to change, say, ] into ]? (Not that it wasn´t both). Again; please self-revert, ] (]) 06:37, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Um.... you misunderstand me. Massacres can be anything. war crimes, terrorism... But terrorism applies to non-states and war crimes to states. My edits were very reasonable. The deir yassin massacre was committed pre-israel and by irgun, it can be called zionist terrorism. but massacres committed by the IDF- ie, after israel was established- can only be called war crimes.--]<big>_</big>] 06:39, 2 July 2016 (UTC) {{ping|Huldra}}

Since you stopped arguing that it's terrorism or a war crime, can you please self-revert?--]<big>_</big>] 06:49, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

:Please stop your POV pushing or I will file a report at ]. Removing war crimes from Israeli categories and adding it to Palestinian categories is hypocrisy, especially when the explanations in your edit summaries are conveniently and ideologically inconsistent. (] much?) Use the talk pages or -- better yet -- start a centralized discussion at ]. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 11:12, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:: I didn't remove a single war crime. I ADDED the category war crimes in places they weren't before. It's not original research either. ]:
The Chairman of the United Nations Counter-Terrorism Committee has stated that the Committee was conscious of 12 international Conventions on the subject, and none of them referred to State terrorism, which was not an international legal concept. If States abused their power, they should be judged against international conventions dealing with ], ], and ].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2002/SC7276.doc.htm |title=Addressing Security Council, Secretary-General Calls On Counter-Terrorism Committee To Develop Long-Term Strategy To Defeat Terror |publisher=Un.org |date= |accessdate=2009-08-10}}</ref> Former ] ] ] has said that it is "time to set aside debates on so-called 'state terrorism'. The ] is already thoroughly regulated under international law"
I didn't add war crimes to palestinian articles. I added terrorism. Literally the exact opposite. Please double check before making threats of sanctions.--]<big>_</big>] 13:07, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

—&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 13:11, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Well that's the thing. Palestine is supposed to be a state now, yes? I honestly don't know what to call it. But the lebanon conflict is older. --]<big>_</big>] 13:12, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree it's one or the other. But ironically I thought I would be accused of bias for calling palestinian crimes terrorism and israeli ones war crimes due to the pejorative-ness of the term "terrorism". --]<big>_</big>] 13:14, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
: Personally I don't think it's a war crime because 1. it's not technically a war. and 2. I don't consider the palestinian factions of the early oughts to be state actors.--]<big>_</big>] 13:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I self-reverted. You shouldn't automatically assume malicious intent. --]<big>_</big>] 13:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

You didn't have to beat me while I was down. The things I was reported for were baloney,and now I have to deal with your accusations too. Why couldn't you just talk to me? Do you think I'm wrong about the terrorism and non-state actors? You don't say what I'm wrong about, and then you say I'm being "extreme" by categorizing things based on definitions you never complained about from[REDACTED] itself.--]<big>_</big>] 03:21, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. Would you be interested in reviewing or commenting at this FAC nomination for Agharta (album)? More input would be appreciate, as it appears the original reviewer has bailed. Dan56 (talk) 04:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dan56. I'll take a look at it over the weekend. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 02:05, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Personal Insults

Let me remind you that this is not the forum for personal attacks. Whether it is calling me a liar (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AList_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks&type=revision&diff=728189551&oldid=728188956) or moron (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AMrdthree&type=revision&diff=728141926&oldid=726765959, https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AList_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks&type=revision&diff=728222778&oldid=728222636), or calling other people morons (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AList_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks&type=revision&diff=725029284&oldid=725027076,) Mrdthree (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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Mudar Zahran

Sir, I have been observing you editorial moves on Mudar Zahran's wiki page. I wonder why you insist on deleting things that are pro-him, and keeping things that are against him despite being from known fake and propaganda sites, I am sure you agree that we have to remain accurate despite all, and we have to keep[REDACTED] truthful and reliable. I have seen a lot of agenda-driven action on this page both pro and con, I am messaging you as well as others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JordanianExpert (talk • contribs) 22:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC) @JordanianExpert: No need to message me, lets keep discussion in one place. First of all the IP belongs to Mudar Zahran, we know he speaks Arabic. Second, you and that IP are NOT allowed to edit here per WP:ARBPIA3. Third, it just coincides that the sources that are against him are more reliable than "pro-him". No conspiracies or "agendas" here. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:40, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Mudar. I insist on deleting things that are not supported by reliable sources, regardless of whether they portray you in a positive or negative light. Please stop edit-warring over the article, or you will be blocked from editing. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 22:44, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Reverting IPs isn't taken into consideration as an actual revert since the article is on WP:ARBPIA3 right? Makeandtoss (talk) 22:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but I've asked for protection at WP:RPP. I don't want to violate 3RR by my own interpretation of the rules. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 22:44, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
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