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I am contributing to the entry for Pirate Radio and several related station pages as well as Herbert W. Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God since all of these topics are related. I intend to add a lot more information to this page.

I admit to making a mistake when creating this page because I originally accidentally created "World tomorrow" and I discovered that once I had done so, I could not undo it, so I created this page. If someone would be kind enough to remove that original page I would appreciate it. Thanks. MPLX/MH 05:41, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Another group called only "church of God", from Modesto CA, appears to run a radio program, and a website called the "Wonderful World Tomorrow". The slightly more upbeat sounding name appears to be an intentional tie-in although I see no evidence that the group is related to the Herbert W. Armstrong radio-program. --wpostma

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Requested Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: do not move as proposed. Instead move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) to The World Tomorrow. The consensus of this discussion is that there is no primary topic. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

The World Tomorrow (radio and television) → The World Tomorrow – Presently The World Tomorrow redirects to World Tomorrow by Assange. Assange's program was called World Tomorrow, not The World Tomorrow, whereas this long-running radio and television show is actually called The World Tomorrow and is the primary use for The World Tomorrow and has great prominence over Asange's show that doesn't have the definit article. Another important distinction. Asange show was 12 episodes running from 17 April to 3 July 2012, and was scrapped. So a minimal run of less than 3 months. The proper The World Tomorrow has been going on since 1934 and is heard by huge number of listeners and attended by a huge number of TV viewers. Assange program can be served by a disambiguation on top of this page for the religious broadcasts werldwayd (talk) 03:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support restore of redirect of The World Tomorrow to The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) as before this edit. Or better still, move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) over The World Tomorrow. The Armstrong WCOG radio program certainly has massive prominence over Assange but isn't a clear primary, since the socialist-Christian magazine 1918-1934 has a surprisingly large showing in Google Books. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• Move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) to The World Tomorrow - Just to note, the move of the disambig to the primary name would be better than the cut/paste of content (cut/paste conceals attribution history). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:46, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• After further consideration of the valuable comments of the two colleagues above, I, as the original propser of the move, am now more convinced that they are making a valid point and I support renderring The World Tomorrow as the main disambiguation. This would be the best course without given prominence to the neither radio/Tv religious show, nor the magazine nor the Assange series. werldwayd (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose as originally proposed the disambiguation page should be restored to its location prior to the 2012 rename, which is the suggested destination of this request nomination. So move The World Tomorrow (disambiguation) to The World Tomorrow -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hoax section?

I have tagged the "Archived episodes" section of this article as a possible hoax, as this content has been repeatedly added while referencing a source which appears to have nothing to do with the assertions made. Also, there are WP:BLP concerns as to what exactly Garner Ted Aukerman's connection to the topic is and I couldn't find any solid link between him and Armstrongism besides the similarity of name between he and G.T. Armstrong, merely references to a stuntman cousin of Scott Aukerman who goes by this name. Roberticus talk 21:24, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

If anybody presents a reliable source attesting to the content, or can explain how this seemingly unrelated source is relevant to the claims made in the section, I do not oppose removal of said tag... Roberticus talk 21:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

These are the citation links necessary to validate the section that should be inserted. The links confirm the section related to Senator Robert Dole and the Congress archive World Tomorrow holdings.

• https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/9770.19.0.0/religion/wcg/us
• http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/religion/mptv.html
• http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.com/telecast.html
• http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/indexVideo.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.47.211.3 (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, at least the first link you provide gives a source for some of the claims; however, I'm not sure that this publication would be considered a reliable source as it's biased pro-Armstrongism and may not have the fact-checking or editorial control generally expected of sources. Also, there is no mention at all of Garner Ted Aukerman. The Library of Congress link provides no add'l confirmation. The final two prove that archived episodes exist online, and that Sadat was interviewed at one time, but I couldn't find any help on the claims regarding Bob Dole and again, nothing about G.T. Aukerman... Roberticus talk 14:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

The congress library link proves the holdings or archive episodes of world tomorrow with herbert armstrong and garner armstrong are among their archives, while the first link proves doles involvement with the preservation. Any white house records would prove the dinner with Sadat and guest list. Dole was the Senate Agriculture chair during the timeframe mentioned. These are the links to the congress holdings and archived epidodes of ted armstrong which edited from the library holdings and put on tv as reruns. And a link to aukerman already exists among the articles citations. Found a couple more that details the aukerman dole relationship. Aukerman is also a cousin of Robert Downey, Jr., and the Imdb photo links prove the aukerman armstrongism connection. This articles archived episodes section presents a facisating to read about the incredible events and people involved in this television program preservtion and discovery among the US congress archives. I also found some links to the edited rerun congress tapes of herbert armstrong and the walk tv cable weekly schedule clearly shows both garner ted armstong and the world tomorrow shows air back to back every saturday morning.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/religion/mptv.html

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1284860

https://plus.google.com/+GARNERTEDAUKERMAN/about

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm795082496/nm4137167?ref_=nmmi_mi_all_pbl_81

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm140771072/nm4137167?ref_=nmmi_mi_all_pbl_43

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000327/board/nest/231800850?p=2

https://m.yutube.com/watch?v=lu02cjN8Njc

https://vimeo.com/37827769

https://vimeo.com/38265023

https://www.denveropenmedia.org/shows/world-tomorrow-are-you-being-judged

https://www.denveropenmedia.org/shows/world-tomorrow-gospel-sign

www.theworldtomorrow.tv

www.thewalktv.files.wordpress.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.62.55.226 (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I have changed the tag to be one which calls for better reliable sources, but unfortunately most/all of what you offer above are either primary sources (yes the shows exist on some video sharing sites), from sites like imdb (which like Misplaced Pages anyone can edit so not good) or, for the source which currently is cited re: the section's claims, are actually from the comments section of an article which mentions G.T. Armstrong and the show, but the article itself does not back up the claims regarding Aukerman. I never could find anything from the Library of Congress site either which verifies inclusion of The World Tomorrow. If no better sourcing can be found, the content could very well be removed by someone else down the road... Roberticus talk 13:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk about grasping at straws to attempt to delete an entire article section. Roberticus has made numerous edits to this article over the years to the detriment of the article. In his claim above he states "I never could find anything from the Library of Congress site either which verifies inclusion of "The World Tomorrow".

Well, Roberticus needs to do a little better reading. The above links need to be included as citations for the article section in dispute. Failure to include the links smacks of continued vandelism to the article and this particular section.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/main/religion/mptv.html

United States Library of Congress Description of Collections

Videos and Sound Recordings: Because the collection is not cataloged by subject for the most part, it is not possible to provide detailed information about religion-related holdings of films and videotapes. Consultation with reference staff is recommended to find needed materials. The collection is strong in materials submitted to the Library for copyright, and so includes a reasonably complete collection of religious-themed feature films made and/or distributed in the United States, ranging from traditional Biblical epics (e.g. The Ten Commandments, 1956; the 1925 silent version of Ben-Hur) to films offering social comment on religion (Elmer Gantry, 1960) to more contemporary works (The Last Temptation of Christ, 1989; The Rapture, 1992; Little Buddha, 1993). There may also be found dramatizations of religious literature, e.g. the 1991 production of the Mahabharata by Peter Brooks. Television programs in the collection include documentaries (e.g. The Long Search, a 1978 BBC/Time-Life production examining the major world religions), and evangelistic programs such as The World Tomorrow (from the Worldwide Church of God, featuring Garner Ted Armstrong and Herbert W. Armstrong; Library of Congress holdings run from 1978 to 1983.

(Actually the holdings run from 1972 to 1994).

I made four edits over the course of a week last April, and stand by them. I do acknowledge that the Library of Congress does have a relevant bit verify its inclusion in the collection, therefore I dropped any challenge to that portion of the section. However, there is still nothing usable attesting to the connection of Garner Ted Aukerman to the subject at all, just a comment to a web article which doesn't mention him! In fact, more unsourced content has been since added regarding Aukerman. I plan to once again remove the Aukerman related content as there is still no reliable sourcing supporitng the claims... Roberticus talk 14:31, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Also, the imdb sourcing does include some photos indicating a connection to Armstrongism, but it doesn't establish the claims in the article, and either way is not usable per WP:CITEIMDB Roberticus talk 14:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Senator mentioned

After reviewing the content, I see that the mention that "Senator Bob Dole ordered the preservation of all copies" was unsourced. Without that link, all further mentions of Dole lost any context or reason to even be in the article. Also, the claim of the program being the only one of a religious nature in the archives was original research. After pruning the unsourced, lacking context, and WP:NOR statements in the section, the only remaining supported statement is that the archive exists. I've now moved that remaining mention into being a sub-section of the "Format" section, as it fitx in that context. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Roberticus edit history displays a clear person biased history of disruptive editing to this article and numerous ARMSTRONGISM related Misplaced Pages articles. Roberticus disruptive editing of these related Misplaced Pages articles has taken place for several years.

The following link above shows the Aukerman, Dole, World Tomorrow connection, but it has been ignored by Barek/Roberticus/C.Fred:

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1284860

These links prove the Dole Loc World Tomorrow preservation:

http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/Video/index.html

https://m.thetrumpet.com/articles/9770,19

http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2012/08/hwa-films-preserved-forever-in-library.html?m=1

https://m.thetrumpet.com/articles/9770,19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.201.128 (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

As I mentioned on my talk page, continued personal attacks are only likely to result in additional blocks of your IPs. Please remain WP:CIVIL in discussions.

As to the sources mentioned; if Dole had dinner with Aukerman is irrelevant - the article is about The World Tomorrow, not tangential subject matter and anecdotes. Even if it were somehow relevant, the EE-times article never mentions it - the mention of Dole only happens in the comments, which fails WP:RS.

As to the archiving, the article already states that the material was placed into the Library of Congress archives; that fact is well sourced and not in question, it was never removed from the article. As to Dole's connection to that event - most of the ones you list fail WP:RS. The only one which is borderline would be The Philadelphia Trumpet, which I should point out was not in the article at the time that I removed the unsourced claims from the article. Although the original text in the article was that "Senator Bob Dole ordered the preservation ...", while The Trumpet states "It was in 1978 during his tenure as Kansas senator that Mr. Dole made the request for the preservation of episodes of The World Tomorrow. The request was approved ...", so if community consensus supports adding the mention, it should be rephrased to match the source material. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

A handful of friends/quote unquote editors - run and rule Misplaced Pages. Barek contacted his buddy to punish or as they call it temp blocking someone who does not agree with their disruptive edits which they falsely label personal attacks. If you disagree with a Misplaced Pages super editor, that super editor will immediately private message one of his super editor pals and the buddy will block any newcomer. No wonder Misplaced Pages is suffering and under current public smear as being run by a handful of 90 percent male super editor egotists. Library of Congress source: The World Tomorrow preservation in national archives

https://books.google.com/books?id=Z0whAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA2745&lpg=PA2745&dq=Congress+preserving+library+herbert+w+armstrong&source=bl&ots=vOUvs25Vzh&sig=R1gJS6-NCbRxCW-y37J-XgldlrY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSp73I2LfMAhVKu4MKHcAwAOgQ6AEINDAJ#v=onepage&q=Congress%20preserving%20library%20herbert%20w%20armstrong&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.231.89 (talk) 03:09, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

All that link shows is that the recordings are in the Film and Television archives of the United States Library of Congress - a fact that is already stated in the article, and which was never removed from the article.

As to your blathering rant - it is so far detached from reality, I don't really see a point in responding to it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Then why did you just respond?? A handful of Bickering blathering predominantly male so called super wiki editors like you and your pals run and rule your private little cyberspace club called Misplaced Pages. Will you, now at this time restore the section referencing Senator Bob Doles preservation of The World Tomorrow in the Libriary of Congress archives, which you and your buddies destructively edited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.199.111 (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

The Decline of Misplaced Pages MIT technology review https://www.technologyreview.com/s/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.199.111 (talk) 19:43, 4 May 2016 (UTC) Considering my newcomer experience with Barek and his alter egos with this particular article, the following piece of research on The decline of Misplaced Pages was spot on correct! The sixth most widely used website in the world is not run anything like the others in the top 10. It is not operated by a sophisticated corporation but by a leaderless collection of volunteers who generally work under pseudonyms and habitually bicker with each other. It rarely tries new things in the hope of luring visitors; in fact, it has changed little in a decade. And yet every month 10 billion pages are viewed on the English version of Misplaced Pages alone. When a major news event takes place, such as the Boston Marathon bombings, complex, widely sourced entries spring up within hours and evolve by the minute. Because there is no other free information source like it, many online services rely on Misplaced Pages. Look something up on Google or ask Siri a question on your iPhone, and you’ll often get back tidbits of information pulled from the encyclopedia and delivered as straight-up facts.

Yet Misplaced Pages and its stated ambition to “compile the sum of all human knowledge” are in trouble. The volunteer workforce that built the project’s flagship, the English-language Misplaced Pages—and must defend it against vandalism, hoaxes, and manipulation—has shrunk by more than a third since 2007 and is still shrinking. Those participants left seem incapable of fixing the flaws that keep Misplaced Pages from becoming a high-quality encyclopedia by any standard, including the project’s own. Among the significant problems that aren’t getting resolved is the site’s skewed coverage: its entries on Pokemon and female porn stars are comprehensive, but its pages on female novelists or places in sub-Saharan Africa are sketchy. Authoritative entries remain elusive. Of the 1,000 articles that the project’s own volunteers have tagged as forming the core of a good encyclopedia, most don’t earn even Misplaced Pages’s own middle-­ranking quality scores.

The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Misplaced Pages and broaden its coverage.Then

There is no point in restoring content that fails WP:RS. Your conspiracy theories are laughable and utterly absurd. If you can't stick to discussing content and can only rant about some bizarre imagined cabal, then I don't see a point in replying further. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:24, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Then, why do you KEEP continuing replying further, Barek? Because you are a "super" editor and therefore you MUST have it your way without having any newcomers usurp your authority, and you definitely must always have the last word! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.199.111 (talk) 21:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

COI template

ScrapIron,

Also please explain the COI template by beginning a talk as required by Misplaced Pages rules: Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.225.156 (talk) 17:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

When an IP editor (you) claims to be in contact with the producers of the show, is any more reason for flagging the article for editors to be on the alert for COI edits needed? —C.Fred (talk) 17:55, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Scrap iron placed the notice, and Scrapiron ONLY was to begin a talk. He has not. We are the producers. We are not sabataging or vandalizing this article which tends to point new viewers of our church sponsored television and radio program toward our telecast, as has been falsely suggested many times by some here. As to our present host, we run what we call classics of past hosts mainly Herbert. We have the entire collection of tapes Bob Doles preserved into the archives beginning in 1977. Dole helped us get the copies done at the senate price rate, which saved us over 18 thousand dollars to have the collection copied. As to Mr. Aukerman, who discovered the collection by happenstance, we have asked him to host for many years but he has turned us down. Thank you for honoring our reqest to amend the article and delete Mr. Aukerma's name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.223.225.156 (talk) 18:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

There is no clause that requires "Scrapiron ONLY was to begin a talk". While recommended that they should start the discussion, any editor is free to begin a discussion about the tag.

That said - after a quick scan through the current version of the article, I don't see any obviously non-neutral content in its current form (although it has had that issue periodically in the past). If no specific NPOV issues needing cleanup are identified in a timely manner (within the next few days), then I would support removing the tag. It's intended to identify cleanup as being currently needed, not to act as a badge identifying articles that have had COI edits done to it in the past. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Per the writeup at {{COI}}, the tag should only be used when there are cleanup issues that are "direct result of the editing done by the subject of the article or by a person with a close connection to the subject". As I mentioned above, I couldn't find any obvious issues from an initial scan through the article. As no further clarification has been provided, I'll go ahead and remove the tag.

If the issues do still remain and I overlooked them, please feel free to restore the tag - but also please clarify in which sections of the article is the cleanup still believed to be needed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2016

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2004 to present Garner Aukerman serves as producer. FastNLoud (talk) 19:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud

FastNLoud (talk) 19:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC)k

Unfortunately, IMDb does not meet Misplaced Pages's requirements to be a reliable source. Do you have another published source available to help confirm the information? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:57, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Earlier discussions on this article talk page centered on the the involvement of Garner Aukman. Aukman's name is listed in the end credits to many of the online videos I have watched, available on YouTube and many other online sources. Misplaced Pages would need to remove the film and television credits for every actor, director, producer with Misplaced Pages pages because their Misplaced Pages pages lift and copy their credits directly off the Internet Movie Database, IMDb.com, because they are vetted as a sound reliable source. FastNLoud (talk) 20:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud

Prior edits, by others claiming to be the producers of the program, have attempted a couple times to remove all mention of Garner Ted Aukerman from the article talk page, claiming "remove all mentions of Aukerman from this conversation. He is not affiliated with the subject. He is employed by Team Downey". Given the conflicting claims, we need a reliable source that can confirm one way or the other - and IMDb does not meet the threshold of being a reliable source - it's even called out specifically within Misplaced Pages's reliable sources guideline in the subsection for #Questionable and self-published sources as not being a reliable source. If you disagree, feel free to bring it up for discussion at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. If you have a better source available, that would resolve the question. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:16, 5 September 2016 (UTC).

Thanks for the rapid response this holiday weekend. Reading the reviews talk and history you have been accused of vandalizing the article and they suggest you have a close personal relationship to the subject. The rapid fire response on a holiday would suggest to most the accusations about your selective editing of this content, is true. To avoid further conflicts of interest consider removing yourself fro this Misplaced Pages subject matter. And, FYI, producers and directors in Hollywood wear many different hats and work on numerous projects during their careers. Most handle many projects simultaneously. A producer credit in the end credits of a TV show, should suffice as a Misplaced Pages source. FastNLoud (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud

No COI exists, and never has existed. My edit history shows I have been online much of the day editing dozens of other articles, and my watchlist shows me when anyone else edits any of the thousands of pages I have on my watchlist. Likewise, the moment I login I get a big notice at the top of the screen if my user talk page has been edited.

As to the content - you have been told about the issues of using IMDb and the need for a reliable source. As I said, feel free to bring it up for discussion at the noticeboard I mentioned - but at this point, due to conflicting claims, a verifiable reliable source is going to be needed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:49, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I've moved the above discussion from my talk page over to the relevant section of this article talk page so as to keep the discussion in a single place, making the discussion easier to follow. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:10, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Barek, your talk page indicates you have many Misplaced Pages alter egos. Do you use these alter Misplaced Pages identities to show a consensus of support for your edits? It's strange no edits were made to this page since mid May, and now on Labor Day, this article is all the sudden grand central high traffic for Misplaced Pages editors. Editor WERLDWYD made 3 consecutive edits today. Deleting large sections of any article content, such as the Bob Dole connection, and blanking other verifiable source material does not change the fact Dole was involved in the preservation, or the current and past program hosts and producers. And FYI you do have a serious COI: The user name Werldwyd is a play on WORLDWIDE, direct affiliation of THE WORLD TOMORROW show and their Church of God! Looks like in your face sock puppets going on with this article. FastNLoud (talk) 00:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud

I have never hidden the fact that I have one (and only one) secondary account which I have used in the past; however, a quick glance at Special:Contributions/Barek-public shows I last used it in 2013. Any accusation of additional sockpuppets are false - if you feel otherwise, feel free to make a report at WP:SPI. I have no connection to any other editors on this article or talk page. I can only guess at their involvement. They likely either already had the page on their own watchlists, or were drawn here by your semi-protected edit request, which flags this page for other editors to respond and/or review the article themselves. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:25, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

If Aukerman asked you to remove his name and affiliation from this article, why have you not done so? The name needs to be removed from the article its entirety, which includes this talk page and the history page. If Robert Downey, Jr., and Garner Aukerman asked you as an administrator to remove their names, do it. The page history suggests Barek, Roberticus, C.Fred and Werldwayd have assumed ownership and hijacked this article. They together account for having contributed to 90 percent of the edits over several years. Aukerman's name should be deleted from this talk page conversation if what you claim is true. FastNLoud (talk) 05:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud

The material has not been removed because the mention of the name is directly relevant to past discussions about article content. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:57, 6 September 2016 (UTC).

Do the useful editing Barek. Upload a similar title card as found at the Assa gr copyright infringement World Tomorrow Misplaced Pages article. His title card upload would be identical. No copyright issues exist. And begin removing all credits for all actors directors and producers with Wikiledia pages. Misplaced Pages editors have lifted copied and pasted all those films and TV credits from Intrrnet Movie Database, IMDb.com you say is an invalid source. Remove the Assange Wikioedia copied program credits listings and the IMDb link at that page too. Stop practicing sockpuppetry and your selective destructive biased editing and cronisism. FastNLoud (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)FastNLoud

Request: Upload Armstrong World Tomorrow title card using identical parimaters as used by Misplaced Pages for the Assange World Tomorrow title card Misplaced Pages article. And upload change: ARCHIVED EPISODES Copies of The World Tomorrow broadcast episodes from 1978 to 1983 are held in the Film and Television archives of the United States Library of Congress. Former United States Senator Bob Dole ordered the preservation of The World Tomorrow copies into the Library of Congress collection . <ref>https://m.thetrumpet.com/articles/9770,19<\ref>

I cannot upload a document that I do not posses. To upload it yourself, follow the link that was provided earlier to WP:Files for upload. As has been explained by multiple editors in the past: because the image is from a copyrighted program, it's not a "free" image, and will need to be uploaded appropriately to acknowledge that copyright and to label it as "fair use" to illustrate the article (or if there's evidence that the show producers have released the image to be free of copyright, see WP:Requesting copyright permission for how to submit that evidence).

The Trumpet source was not in the article at the time that the content was removed: but as I pointed out previously, even with that source it doesn't support the wording that keeps getting insisted upon. While the Trumpet headline says "ordered", if you read the actual article it states that he "requested" archiving, which was then approved by an unnamed person or group. If the content were to be added, it would need to reflect what is actually stated in the article. There's also question on if someone making a request which was approved by an unnamed someone else is encyclopedic content, or if it's tangentially related trivia. I believe an RFC would be needed to establish consensus on that point - if requested, I can create one of those. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:03, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

1. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4137167/resume?ref_=nm_ov_res

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