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| == Exodus and abandonment of Avaris == | |||
| This is regarding you calling the abandonment of Avaris "not evidence for the exodus" because my entry contains "original research". Well, whether or not the research is original to myself, its evidence -- so the only problem here we have is regarding Misplaced Pages's policy on original research. And yet again, there is no problem -- as Douglas Petrovich, author of the paper I cited HAS expressed on an article on biblearchaeology.com that he finds this as evidence for the exodus, and thus the idea I added in was not original to myself whatsoever. | |||
| So, how about this -- in order to respect Misplaced Pages's policies, I will cite both the paper authored by Douglas regarding this abandonment, as well as his article on biblearchaeology.com. That way, the abandonment is confirmed by my citations, as well as my connection of it to the exodus being shown as not original and thus respects Misplaced Pages's policies. | |||
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Dwapara Yuga / Yoekteshwar
Hi Doug, I'm Robert ( RobCZ ) and I think the last correction must have been five years ago on the particular year we are in according to this interpretation of Yoekteshwar. Swami Yoekteshwar wrote his Holy Science in 194 Dwapara ( 1894 ), thus currently we are in 316 Dwapara. Kind regards Robert, Amsterdam, Holland
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Could you run a quick checkuser for me, please? I have a probable DUCK sock of an indef blocked user and I need to confirm. The sock is Sjick14, the indef-blocked user is CaptainHog. SPI at the far bottom will have the most current IP and account information, of course. Also, could you check for any sleepers while you are at it? Diannaa usually handles these, but she is offline at the moment. Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:06 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)
- I filed an SPI related to the above request. Just letting you know. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 15:25 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you! - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:09 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)
"New Account" and archaeologist John Marshall
Hi Doug. This "new account", created a few days ago, seems to be implying WP:OR and non-WP:RS synthesizes en masse, cross-article, and is using the findings of John Marshall, a British Archaeologist of some 100 years ago as the main "source" for these claims, e.g. . I reverted some of his edits already, but I can't keep up with it I'm afraid. He's mass uploading images with OR captions as well on Wikimedia.. Something should be done about this I believe. As you're often involved with such matters, I thought that this might interest you. Bests - LouisAragon (talk)
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Block Request
Although i'm topic banned from participating in Punjab and Sikh related topics, being a Sikh I cannot standby and observe the dilution of Punjab and Sikh related articles.
Recently I've added "a Sikh script" to the Gurmukhi alphabet article which was previously in the article but removed.
The following sources back this statement:
- Mandair, Arvind-Pal S.; Shackle, Christopher; Singh, Gurharpal (December 16, 2013). Sikh Religion, Culture and Ethnicity. Routledge. p. 13, Quote: "creation of a pothi in distinct Sikh script (Gurmukhi) seem to relate to the immediate religio-political context ...". ISBN 9781136846342. Retrieved 23 November 2016.
- Mann, Gurinder Singh; Numrich, Paul; Williams, Raymond (December 3, 2007). Buddhists, Hindus, and Sikhs in America. New York: Oxford University Press. p. 100, Quote: "He modified the existing writing systems of his time to create Gurmukhi, the script of the Sikhs; then ...". ISBN 9780198044246. Retrieved 23 November 2016.
- Shani, Giorgio (March 2002). The Territorialization of Identity: Sikh Nationalism in the Diaspora. Japan: Kitakyushu University. p. 11. Retrieved 22 November 2016.
- "Gurmukhi - The Sikh Alphabet". Sikhs.org. Retrieved 14 November 2016.
- Harjeet Singh Gill (1996). Peter T. Daniels; William Bright, eds. The World's Writing Systems. Oxford University Press. p. 395. ISBN 978-0-19-507993-7.
- Khalsa, Sukhmandir. "Introduction to Gurmukhi Script". about.com. Retrieved 14 November 2016.
Secondly I've removed Indo-Aryan ethno-linguistic which was added by an IP.
This fact is not stated in Kahn Singh Nabha's Mahan Kosh:
- Nabha, Kahan Singh (April 13, 1930). Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature Mahan Kosh. Patiala: Languages Department of Punjab. p. ਪੰਜਾਬੀ.
Yes, Punjabis are unified by a common language, but that isn't the only factor.
Labeling Punjabis just an Ethnolinguistic group excludes that they are also unified geographically and culturally. From paragraph 3 of the article, Traditionally, the Punjabi identity is primarily linguistic, geographical and cultural, which is independent of historical origin or religion.
In terms of race, Punjabis are and have always been a multi-ethnic society. Punjab has been inhabited by many peoples throughout it's history and all Punjabi people are not the descendants of one group (e.g. Indo-Aryans).
Bishonen, although the topic ban was no less than a block, I've violated my topic ban therefore feel free to block my account.
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O Nanak, and Truth will prevail in the end.
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- Rather than simply blocking users, Misplaced Pages should start a rehabilitation programme.
- This guideline should be remove WP:IAR because it leads to being topic banned and blocked.
Kind regards Peeta Singh (talk) 03:38, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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Lie
Hallo Doug, thanks for your edit! About "lie", is it wrong? I meant "to lie" as "liegen" in German...For example "River Po lies in northern Italy" Is it wrong? Cheers Alex2006 (talk) 18:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) It's grammatically correct. Idiomatically, though, I'm not sure how often a native speaker ever describes a river as "lying" somewhere. It's located somewhere, rises somewhere, flows somewhere... "Lies somewhere" is pretty passive for a river, really. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot Steven! As native Italian living since many years in a German speaking context I tend to use German or Latin derived words, which is not always the best choice. BTW, when I was in the States, people told me often that I was talking in a cultivated way, while in reality I was only trying to use the latin-derived English words, easy to remember for me. ;-) Cheers Alex2006 (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Lies in is perfectly OK, see: Arkansas River, Yukon River, etc. 🔯 Sir Joseph 19:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot Steven! As native Italian living since many years in a German speaking context I tend to use German or Latin derived words, which is not always the best choice. BTW, when I was in the States, people told me often that I was talking in a cultivated way, while in reality I was only trying to use the latin-derived English words, easy to remember for me. ;-) Cheers Alex2006 (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- FWIW, Sir Joseph, in both of those pages, the river itself never "lies". A portion lies, or a basin lies, or even a half lies. The river, itself, almost never "lies". But, as I said, it's unquestionably grammatically correct. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I think my sense of the word falls in between yours and Sir Joseph’s: it depends on the circumstances. Where a river meanders slowly over a plain it seems less dynamic, hence more recumbent, so to speak; likewise when viewed from the air or an elevated vantage point, from too great a distance to see it flowing—or where the mental image being evoked is more like a map than a photograph. In general, though, this kind of use of lie often reads as slightly dated, quaint, or poetic, and would probably be more at home in a Wikivoyage article than on WP.—Odysseus1479 20:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57: It is indeed, but what I was looking at was "The map doesn't show it, so they lie about those countries. Now, why should I believe what they say" - and that editor was using the word 'lies' in the sense of deliberately not telling the truth. Doug Weller talk 19:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- That's a different kettle of fish. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57: It is indeed, but what I was looking at was "The map doesn't show it, so they lie about those countries. Now, why should I believe what they say" - and that editor was using the word 'lies' in the sense of deliberately not telling the truth. Doug Weller talk 19:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- OK Doug, alles klar! I thought that you were referring to my "lie", but I was lying in a different sense... ;-) Alex2006 (talk) 19:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Student Initiative Rahel
- {{re|Urmelbeauftragter]] how many of these are independent of the Catholic Church? I see Radio Horeb, the Cusanuswerk, a Diocese, a network of One World groups. None of those are independent. ""Hochschule St. Georgen öffnet zum Sommerfest die Türen" is simply promotional, inviting people to an event, and even though you say "editorial department" it says "The Philosophical Theological College Sankt Georgen, Offenbacher Landstraße 224, invites you to the Sommmerfest" and is written in a promotional tone. I'm guessing the Stadtkirchenfest piece is the same. Doug Weller talk 17:54, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Urmelbeauftragter: pinging correctly this time. Doug Weller talk 19:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Do you really mean local newspapers in Frankfurt have only promotional articles? Are you really sure? If the haeadline would be "President Obama invites to a economic conference" it would be promotional, too?--Urmelbeauftragter 21:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- It seems to me if anyone writes about an event related to a student initiative of a philosophical theological university it couldn't be independent.--Urmelbeauftragter 21:17, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Urmelbeauftragter: this doesn't belong on my talk page but on User:Drmies talk page and that looks to have been a press release. Please reply at Drmies' talk page to keep this discussion in one place. Doug Weller talk 21:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- It seems to me if anyone writes about an event related to a student initiative of a philosophical theological university it couldn't be independent.--Urmelbeauftragter 21:17, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Do you really mean local newspapers in Frankfurt have only promotional articles? Are you really sure? If the haeadline would be "President Obama invites to a economic conference" it would be promotional, too?--Urmelbeauftragter 21:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Urmelbeauftragter: pinging correctly this time. Doug Weller talk 19:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- {{re|Urmelbeauftragter]] how many of these are independent of the Catholic Church? I see Radio Horeb, the Cusanuswerk, a Diocese, a network of One World groups. None of those are independent. ""Hochschule St. Georgen öffnet zum Sommerfest die Türen" is simply promotional, inviting people to an event, and even though you say "editorial department" it says "The Philosophical Theological College Sankt Georgen, Offenbacher Landstraße 224, invites you to the Sommmerfest" and is written in a promotional tone. I'm guessing the Stadtkirchenfest piece is the same. Doug Weller talk 17:54, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Advice request
Hi Doug! Hope you doin well! Whenever i need a dose of wisdom i come to you. I have found myself compiling quite a surprising lot of data these days on the Deer Cave(Otranto) - Grotta dei Cervi in Italy, i guess you know it - here: User:Wikirictor/sandbox2. Quality and quantity of sources are as usual with these caves...very very moderate. Still i found some complete! publications of relevant researchers. However, i think you know, there always were the ignorant and gullible around - who normally do not fancy such stuff. They created this hysteria at the fringes (Ancient astronauts, Sistine chapel of the Neolithic - which btw was initially attributed to Altamira) and repetitive pseudo-bullshit. So - i thought i dive a bit deeper in the published interpretations of two Italian ladies - Maria Laura Leone and Elettra Ingravallo - both many years into associated research and familiar with the matter, although Elettra more on a theoretical level.
My idea was presenting different viewpoints might help bring things back down to earth. Anyway, now that i am halfway through i think i am way off the encyclopedic sphere. Maybe you could have a brief look into section User:Wikirictor/sandbox2#Interpretation and give me some feedback. ATBWikirictor (talk) 12:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Wikirictor: I'm just recovering from an Openhouse at our house and trying to find everything we stored away, especially a bunch of vital USB leads, and may be busy over the weekend. I'll try to take a look maybe Sunday. Doug Weller talk 19:17, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Arbcom election results
Oh, I see the election results are in! Offering "condolences" has been run into the ground a bit, so I don't quite know what to say. But, anyway, I think it's to the advantage of Misplaced Pages that you'll be on the committee for another two years, and hope you are pleased. Oh well. Cheer up! Bishonen | talk 15:31, 16 December 2016 (UTC).
- Congrats! It's a lousy job but one that needs doing and I appreciate your sacrifice. Can I get you anything.. maybe a blindfold or cigarette? -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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Checkuser input needed
Came to you after picking some random entries at Special:Listusers with CU selected. Is there a CU noticeboard? I would have gone there, rather than coming to you (and a few other random CUs) directly, if I could have found anything beyond the clerks' page.
Would you please visit Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 December 8 and offer input in the {{IPsockCheckuser}} section? It was nominated on the grounds of "This exposes Checkuser info to non-Checkusers", which makes sense, but on the other hand it's been around since 2008, so if it's truly a violation, it probably would have been deleted by now. I've voted "keep until we hear from some CUs", so hearing from you would be helpful. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 13:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: Thanks but I was too late! Doug Weller talk 15:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Illuminati89
You noticed the disruption this user caused too. I'm pretty confident this is another sock of User:HipHopVisionary. I swear these socks have been popping up at an increasing rate lately. He or she will always come back to the same pages/topics: African Americans and related (also sometimes Romani Americans) where they do their POV pushing, often in the form of adding cherry picked or misleading negative statistics and ridiculous drive-by tagging, and Drake (musician), where they will sort of just update the article I guess. Now that Illuminati89 has edited Drake (musician) today, that in combination with their previous edits raises a red flag to me at least. I have filed an SPI here: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/HipHopVisionary Sro23 (talk) 19:05, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Sro23: Thanks. I see they're blocked indefinitely. Doug Weller talk 20:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Exodus and abandonment of Avaris
This is regarding you calling the abandonment of Avaris "not evidence for the exodus" because my entry contains "original research". Well, whether or not the research is original to myself, its evidence -- so the only problem here we have is regarding Misplaced Pages's policy on original research. And yet again, there is no problem -- as Douglas Petrovich, author of the paper I cited HAS expressed on an article on biblearchaeology.com that he finds this as evidence for the exodus, and thus the idea I added in was not original to myself whatsoever.
So, how about this -- in order to respect Misplaced Pages's policies, I will cite both the paper authored by Douglas regarding this abandonment, as well as his article on biblearchaeology.com. That way, the abandonment is confirmed by my citations, as well as my connection of it to the exodus being shown as not original and thus respects Misplaced Pages's policies.