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::You are right, I did not see the end of the summary. However, we have some inconsistencies here, as what came to my mind were the articles ], ], ], ], where we do not include a regional council name. I however dispute that ] is not relevant, as point 5 says we only use Judea and Samaria Area in the context of the administration, not as a land area. The same logic applies here, if not explicitly so. And fine, I'll move it to where it was originally (not , Israel, but originally). I was trying to come up with something that would be acceptable to those wanting to disambiguate the title and those disagreeing with the chosen disambiguation. Guess I failed. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 19:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)</small> ::You are right, I did not see the end of the summary. However, we have some inconsistencies here, as what came to my mind were the articles ], ], ], ], where we do not include a regional council name. I however dispute that ] is not relevant, as point 5 says we only use Judea and Samaria Area in the context of the administration, not as a land area. The same logic applies here, if not explicitly so. And fine, I'll move it to where it was originally (not , Israel, but originally). I was trying to come up with something that would be acceptable to those wanting to disambiguate the title and those disagreeing with the chosen disambiguation. Guess I failed. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 19:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)</small>
::Well actually I cant even do that, as that page is now a dab page. So, asking you as an admin now, what should I do then? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 19:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)</small> ::Well actually I cant even do that, as that page is now a dab page. So, asking you as an admin now, what should I do then? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 19:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)</small>
:::{{ping|Nableezy}} We do not have regional council disambiguation for Ariel and Immanuel because they are not part of regional councils. Gilgal is disambiguated as such because the other article ] is also a place in the same area and so it wouldn't be very useful. Gitit is the only one that is really an inconsistency (and I guess the title was used because the alternative article is not a place), but as this is one against over 20 done in the other way, I don't think it's much an argument. You should start an ] on the talk page if you want to move it. ] ]] 19:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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Buhari

Are you interested in bringing Buhari under good article review. I already put a message on user Everking's page for help. The article will probably be edited heavily for the next few years and I am trying to make it NPOV and placed under good article status during the period.

Hey, The Grenada Topic

I am currently adding the results and I will add a ref and cites after I finished putting all the information

The invalid numbers for each question of the referendum are official results. By all means add in the invalid/blank

The invalid for each question of the referendum are official results, so I do not know why you keep deleting them as it is official results from PEOGrenada. User:Kylekieran

Well I do have the source and I can not get that you think I got out of date source as I checked within four hour to now

This is the source, if you do not believe and you need to sign up or log in first to see the result. http://www.peogrenada.org/refsoftapp/PD/BillStatus


And also I am going to complete all the parishes elections stats later today, so do not delete them please and also it is all up to date due to 100% completed result courted. User:Kylekieran

"Labour Party" vs "Malta Labour Party"

Hi, I saw you reverted my edit to the 1950 Maltese election page. According to the PL's article "Boffa formed the Malta Workers Party (MWP) while Mintoff re-organized the Labour Party as the Malta Labour Party" (I know it's uncited for the moment but it's the best I have), and the article itself treats the MLP days as being the party simply operating under a different name (i.e. in Labour Party (Malta)#General Elections). Additionally, there isn't any clear indication when the party either reformed or rebranded back to simply "Labour Party". 64.231.43.188 (talk) 15:49, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

The Nohlen & Stöver source used in the results has them both as new parties. I would check Political Parties in Europe, as that would probably be conclusive, but unfortunately I only have the P–Y volume. Cheers, Number 57 22:30, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Swiss politics

Hello Number 57, I have been updating Swiss political party articles lately, and I've noticed that although we have a Geneva Citizens' Movement (Mouvement citoyens genevois; MCG) article, there are several mentions of a "Mouvement Citoyens Romands" (MCR) on the Canton of Geneva article. They appear to be the same party, and the German MCG article appears to say something like that (even though it cites dead URLs), but considering the CSP v. CSP OW that we recently discussed, I'm not sure. Do you know anything about this?

Also, the National Council results on Swiss federal election, 2015 still do not show the number of votes for any party smaller than the BDP. Is there any source that shows the total results for each party? I couldn't find any. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

@1990'sguy: The MCGE and MCR do seem to be the same party – see this article on the MCG website.
Unfortunately I don't know anywhere to get more detailed results for Switzerland. However that does remind me that the full results by canton for numerous elections dating between 1848 and 1919 are available in the British library. I have copies of the pages for the 1848 elections, and at some point I will start adding them. Number 57 22:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
That's OK. It's odd that full results are not readily available. However, thanks for the article for MCR! --1990'sguy (talk) 01:35, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Also, do you know if Republican Movement merged into the Swiss Democrats, or if it simply dissolved? There was an uncited sentence in James Schwarzenbach claiming the former, but that was all I've seen explicitly stating this. I just want to be sure. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

@1990'sguy: I wrote the article on the Republican Movement, so that is the limit of my knowledge I'm afraid! Number 57 19:46, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
That's OK. I'll try to look further, and if I don't find anything, I'll remove the unsourced statement. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
I found this source that states that most members of the party joined the Federal Democratic Union, and I added it to the article. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:26, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry to pepper you with all these questions, but can you verify if "Rep." in the "Federal election results" section in Vaud, Canton of Geneva, and possibly other articles is the Republican Movement? I added the link to those articles, but I'm not sure if it really is the case. --1990'sguy (talk) 02:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

What's also interesting is that the Swiss government reports that the Republican Movement received 0.2% of the vote in 1967, even though it was not founded until 1971.
@1990'sguy: Very odd. We have them listed in the Swiss federal election, 1967 article too. However, the German article has them listed as Vigilance, a Geneva-based populist party. Actually the German articles are quite detailed and have the full vote figures for the 2015 elections too, plus details by canton for several years (1995–2015), which might help answer your other query. Number 57 22:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
As for the "Vigilance" party: problem solved. According to this source (p. 61), it was officially associated with the Republican Movement in 1972, even though it had already existed for a while. The German articles are actually quite useful. I should have checked them earlier. Assuming the editors there added up the published results in the individual cantons, I will add the full results, if you haven't already started doing that. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:39, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
So it appears that the Republican Movement and "Rep." on the Wiki articles are indeed the same party. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
As for the National Council results, there is a discrepancy between the German article and the government sources that we already have. Unfortunately, the German article does not seem reliable enough for me to copy and paste. --1990'sguy (talk) 02:32, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Crimean Referendum

I should have thought of using the wayback machine, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfsworms (talkcontribs) 08:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Next Latvian parliamentary election

Hello, I do understand your concerns, but the only verifiable fact is that the election has to be held in October 2018 at the latest. Everything else is actually speculations. I do not consider it wrong to categorise the article as "2018 in Latvia", because that is all we can verify at the moment. /♥фĩłдωəß♥\ 14:12, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

@Philaweb: But it's not an event that is confirmed for 2018 as it may well happen next year. It should only be categorised as a 2018 event when it's been moved to Latvian parliamentary election, 2018 after the date is confirmed. Until then it's pure speculation and CRYSTAL. Cheers, Number 57
@Number 57: If October 2018 is pure speculation it should be removed from the article, and the article should be rephrased. If, on the other hand, the only verfiable date is October 2018, I do not see anything wrong in categorising the article under "2018 in Latvia". I would like to know, if there is a consensus on the procedure you are suggesting? /♥фĩłдωəß♥\ 14:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
@Philaweb: It doesn't say it will be held in October 2018, it says it has to be held by then – i.e. any time between now and then. Also, you don't need to ping me on my own talk page. Cheers, Number 57 15:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about the ping, it's a new thing to me. Well, I do understand what you are saying, but I do not agree. "It may well happen 2017" is not verifiable, since, as you say, the date is not confirmed. It is verifiable though, that the next Latvian parliamentary election wil be held in October 2018, at the latest, since that is what legislation prescribe. I do agree with you, that when an election date is confirmed, the article content should be moved to Latvian parliamentary election, 2017 or Latvian parliamentary election, 2018. If consensus exist on your take on this (confirmation of an election date), I would like to get instructions on where to look. /♥фĩłдωəß♥\ 15:32, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
@Philaweb: I'm afraid I really don't understand the point you are trying to make. This is a quite simple issue – we don't know which year the election will be in, so we can't put it in a category for a certain year. I'm not sure what there is to disagree with here unless you have proof that the election will take place in 2018. I invite a few other editors who regularly edit election articles (@Impru20, Bondegezou, and Batmacumba: to comment here if you want further input (the issue at hand is whether Next Latvian parliamentary election should be categorised in Category:2018 in Latvia). Number 57 15:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
According to Centrālā vēlēšanu komisija (Central Election Committee), the next Latvian election is going to be, quote: "Reizi četros gados, oktobra pirmajā sestdienā, Latvijā norisinās kārtējās parlamenta jeb Saeimas vēlēšanas.", which says: "Every four years on the first Saturday of October, a general election to the Saeima is held in Latvia", and that is October 6, 2018. Is this admissible as proof, or is a press release required with the actual date? /♥фĩłдωəß♥\ 16:46, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
So, we're all in agreement then? Article stays as "Next...". At the point at which we know what year it will be, it moves to "Latvian parliamentary election, 2017" or "... 2018" as appropriate. Only then can it be included in the appropriate Category of "201X in Latvia". Bondegezou (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Entirely in agreement with both Number57 and Bondegezou. You can't have the "2018 in Latvia" category put here because you don't know for certain that it will be held in 2018 (it could be held next year if a snap election is called). But that we don't know the certain date doesn't prevent us to note that it can't be held later than in 2018. You know that it must be held by 2018 at latest, but before that it could be held anytime. Impru20 (talk) 16:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Very well, I retire the argument, since a consensus seems to emerge. I do not agree though with the consensus, but will adhere to it. /♥фĩłдωəß♥\ 17:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Stanway Rovers

I updated the club history, honours and badge yet change them back? Why I am the club programme designer and editor and the history and badge etc are what i have been told to use.≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveparker007 (talkcontribs) 16:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

@Steveparker007: There were a couple of reasons for removing your text, and your comments provide further reasoning. Firstly copying and pasting from another website into Misplaced Pages isn't allowed as it's a copyright violation – this is why the history of the bits you added has also been removed from the public record. Secondly, the text failed multiple Misplaced Pages guidelines and customs both around the formatting and the content – for instance incorrect date formatting, colloquial language and fairly blatant WP:RECENTISM (i.e. giving more weight to events because they are more recent but not necessarily historically significant). In addition, your comment above have two issues; firstly you are involved with the club and therefore have a WP:Conflict of interest – editing is strongly discouraged where this is the case; secondly, you mention that you have been "told to use" this text – editing Misplaced Pages on behalf of others is also discouraged unless you make it clear (for example on your userpage and in the edit summary of anything you are adding) that you are doing so.
I have added some additional text to the article, but I cannot see anything else in the text that you were adding that is suitable for the article. However, if you think there is anything missing (and bearing in mind WP:RECENTISM), I'm happy to have a discussion about its inclusion. Cheers, Number 57 23:14, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Barkan

I disagree that WP:WESTBANK is not relevant, specifically The terms "Samaria" or "Judea" cannot be used without qualification in the NPOV neutral voice. We dont have any other article on a settlement disambiguated by regional council, and as you yourself said to me about a different issue his needs discussion before wholescale changes are issued. The move made was challenged, and it shouldnt simply be moved again over that objection. I ask that you please move that page back. nableezy - 17:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

@Nableezy: If we don't have any other articles on settlements disambiguated by regional council, could you please explain to me what these articles are about: Carmel, Har Hebron, Adora, Har Hebron, Ma'on, Har Hebron, Susya, Har Hebron, Telem, Har Hebron, Elazar, Gush Etzion, Kedar, Gush Etzion, Tekoa, Gush Etzion, Hamra, Bik'at HaYarden, Rotem, Bik'at HaYarden, Ahiya, Mateh Binyamin, Almon, Mateh Binyamin, Alon, Mateh Binyamin, Amona, Mateh Binyamin, Eli, Mateh Binyamin, Matityahu, Mateh Binyamin, Migron, Mateh Binyamin, Neria, Mateh Binyamin, Nili, Mateh Binyamin, Oz Zion, Mateh Binyamin, Shilo, Mateh Binyamin?
As I hope you can now see (and you would have done had you actually read my edit summary properly), the article title is in-line with our naming procedures. WP:WESTBANK is not relevant because we are talking specifically about a regional council that does not have an alternative non-Israeli name, not the whole Judea & Samaria nonsense. As for challenging the move, you should have moved it back to where I moved it from if you didn't like it, rather than moving it to a third title. Number 57 19:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
You are right, I did not see the end of the summary. However, we have some inconsistencies here, as what came to my mind were the articles Ariel (city), Immanuel (town), Gilgal (kibbutz), Gitit (moshav), where we do not include a regional council name. I however dispute that WP:WESTBANK is not relevant, as point 5 says we only use Judea and Samaria Area in the context of the administration, not as a land area. The same logic applies here, if not explicitly so. And fine, I'll move it to where it was originally (not , Israel, but originally). I was trying to come up with something that would be acceptable to those wanting to disambiguate the title and those disagreeing with the chosen disambiguation. Guess I failed. nableezy - 19:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Well actually I cant even do that, as that page is now a dab page. So, asking you as an admin now, what should I do then? nableezy - 19:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
@Nableezy: We do not have regional council disambiguation for Ariel and Immanuel because they are not part of regional councils. Gilgal is disambiguated as such because the other article Gilgal is also a place in the same area and so it wouldn't be very useful. Gitit is the only one that is really an inconsistency (and I guess the title was used because the alternative article is not a place), but as this is one against over 20 done in the other way, I don't think it's much an argument. You should start an WP:RM on the talk page if you want to move it. Number 57 19:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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