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Punctuation improvements request

We need some commas in the S14E05 description, S14E11 description and the UPS 6 description to improve punctuation:

'flips over, bursting into flames'

'As of February 2015, the Boeing 777-200ER has not been found'

'land back at the airport, but are unsuccessful'

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I want someone to add the info about episode 7 and 8 for season 16 of Mayday that i have written under this. Season 16 of the Mayday series contains 10 episodes, but just 6 are on Misplaced Pages. I hope i also can add the info about episode 9 and 10. Thank you. User:Dkendel

1377"Murder in the Skies"Germanwings Flight 95252017 (2017)

On 24 March 2015, an Airbus A320-211 operated by Germanwings, crashes 100 kilometres (62 mi) north-west of Nice in the French Alps after a constant descent that begins one minute after the last routine contact with air traffic control. All 144 passengers and six crew members got killed.

1388"River Runway"Garuda Indonesia Flight 4212017 (2017)

On January 16 2002, a Boeing 737-300 loses both of it engines after it flies into a thunderstorm containing heavy rain and hail which results in a loss of all generated electrical power. The plane did a successful ditching in the Bengawan Solo River that only caused one fatality.

Dkendel (talk) 09:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Done no response in 3 days, so assuming this is uncontroversial — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:40, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@MSGJ:, it is unreferenced. This page has a long history of putting entries in that are untrue Secondly, this is the holiday season. Many editors have slowed down. Three days is hardly sufficient. It is a holiday weekend.

Bottom line- I object to entries without a WP:RS and BTW Imdb does not qualify as one....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I got you two reliable sources:

http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation

http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/tv/air-crash-investigation/episodes.aspx?series=15

You're welcome. "Murder in the Skies" (Crash in the Alps for UK) airs January 23rd in UK, "River Runway" airs January 30th in UK, "Deadly Solution" airs February 7th in Australia, and no known air date for Episode 10, but it is listed on the NatGeoUK Website. I like to keep an open mind too, but this is indisputable evidence that these episodes are legitimate. Also, first two episodes of season 17 are listed on NatGeoUK too. No airdate or title, but the accidents are included in the description. Tntad (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Season 17 episodes removed

There is nothing in the IC provided for a season 17. It goes up to season 16....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 03:21, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I came to the conclusion of the first two episodes of Season 17 based upon the same source for episodes 7-10 which were under "Season 15": http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation If you click under "Season 16" (The NatGeo pages are 1 number behind the Discovery Seasons), two episodes labeled "Killer Attitude" and "Deadly Myth" are shown with descriptions of Northwest Airlink Flight 5719 and Comair Flight 3272. NatGeoUK uses the same URL for episode lists despite which season you select. I am not entirely sure what you mean by IC, but could you explain? Thanks. Tntad (talk) 04:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

You are making a mistake, William. Although it says season 16, it's actually season 17. Mistakes happen. MattChatt18 (talk) 10:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

WP:IC is another word for reference. It means Inline citation. The page says season 16. You think it is wrong but that's an opinion or WP:OR. Thirdly, the section even says "Per WP:TVUPCOMING, do not include 2017 until episodes have actually aired in 2017" They haven't aired nor do you have a date for them, nor are they season 17 per WP:RS. Removed again....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

So basically this dispute is over two people saying that, when NatGeo says "Season 16", what it means is "Season 16 and a bit of Season 17". What is the basis for this point of view? If it is because the previous season was 10 episodes, that's not enough - you need to provide a decent source saying that season 16 is ten episodes. Mattchat, you wailed and gashed your teeth and behaved as if the world had come to an untimely end when the article was fully-protected; it will likely be fully-protected again if this issue is not sorted out here. YSSYguy (talk)

Thanks for making it clear, William. I forgot to remove the 2017 and 10 Episodes when I was reviewing my edit before it was published. YSSYguy is right. It is best to discuss any major disputes in a calm manner before re-reverting people's edits and assuming them as false. This is why talk pages exist to prevent this kind of behavior. As the person who initially added the Season 17 episodes section to the article, I think it is best to just leave aside for now until another source can explain it further. I am not saying that NatGeoUK is incorrect, but it should remain off the article until we can be fully confident with the status of those two episodes. It won't be the end of the world if we have the patience. Tntad (talk) 22:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I could go through the archives of this article to learn exactly when, but four or five years ago NatGeo or Cineflix(I think it was Cineflix) said there was an upcoming episode on Air New Zealand Flight 901. It was never made. These are usually RS but that makes you think nothing should be listed till we have an actual airdate. For some reason an episode can be announced but not made. BTW I am the creator of the article on the Northwest Airlink crash that is supposedly going to be made into an episode. A very interesting accident. I have created 20 to 30 45 crash articles and YSSYguy has sometimes worked with me on them....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I remember when that occured. They tried to produce an episode with that, but it "did not pan out" according to Shannon Foerter (A producer for Mayday at Cineflix at that time). However, Air New Zealand was never listed on any NatGeo which was the calling card to omit it from the article. ANZ 901 for Mayday is a textbook example that a RS is not always true. This is why I was told to wait until 2 RS were confirming the same thing before adding episodes, two seasons ago. Tntad (talk) 23:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

~~ Fine! Of course you named it "supposedly". If you EVER attempt to put the "SUPPOSEDLY" Season 17 episodes on the article, even with a confirmed air date or is actually aired, I will delete them! MattChatt18 (talk) 12:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Calm down MattChatt18. When NatGeo U.K writes that season 16 is the latest season they mean season 17. I know this doesn't seem right, but it is. I'll explain. When I looked threw the seasons listed on NatGeo U.K i saw that there wasn't and isn't a season called "season 6". They just jumped over it. Season 7 is normal and is alike with the info on Misplaced Pages. But, when I looked at season 8 I could see that there were many more episodes that it should have been. Season 8 is a special season containing only 2 episodes, but there not on NatGeo U.K .NatGeo had and has put the episodes from season 9 into season 8. This is why some of you guys think that we can't publish "season 17" because NatGeo U.K written down incorrect information.

DK (talk) 15:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I will still remove them, even if an air date is confirmed or is aired. I think Nat Geo UK is crap, anyway, and so is Nat Geo Australia cause it will mistaken Season 17 for 16. MattChatt18 (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I have repeatedly checked the Cinifex Website and while the Cinifex Rights website mentions a 10 episode season 17 the main site does not, nor has there been any production announcement that I can find.Graham1973 (talk) 14:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Tell you what, WilliamJE. I will delete the SUPPOSEDLY Season 17 episodes, even if it's DEFINITLY confirmed or actually aired. Nat Geo UK is shit, anyway. If you put it on the article, even if it's actually aired or confirmed, I WILL 'DELETE' IT! MattChatt18 (talk) 22:42, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

We are taking time to put the supposed episodes on hold as there have been disputes of false/unconfirmed episodes. One major example is the Air New Zealand Flight 901 episode that was supposed to be for Season 13 but dropped for Itavia Flight 870. Unfortunately, this resulted in a lot of controversy with what should be placed on the article. National Geographic is the channel that airs the episodes (Smithsonian for US and Discovery for Canada), so their episode guide contributes a significant lot to this page. Last season, we waited until the first episode of the new season aired. Afterwards, we added the rest of the episodes. We will do no different this season. Once the first episode of the new season appears on television, then the rest of the season will be added to the article based upon what is available on their guide.

In addition, The first episode of a new season listed here: http://www.natgeotv.com/uk/shows/natgeo/air-crash-investigation, is set to air February 20th (surprising how it is the week after the Season 16 final episode). Keep your eyes on the day after that. I understand you might be frustrated from this, but I also want to ensure that we do not add an episode that could be dropped at the last minute. Let's not get aggressive with this, and take it slowly.Tntad (talk) 00:46, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I may have a different point of view than you lot, but OK then, I will add it on as soon as it's aired. I'm sorry for the palaver. MattChatt18 (talk) 17:53, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Just making it clear that the episodes currently listed on Nat Geo UK of Season 17 should be added as a separate season once the supposed first episode has aired (February 20th) and can be validated as being legitimate. Wait until that moment before making any changes involving these episodes. Alright, see you then. Tntad (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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I want to add the Season 17 of Mayday episodes, they are announced already but they are not on this[REDACTED] page. The new episode list is here: https://twitter.com/2013AirCrash2/status/820418754718748672 In the tweet he thanks the executive producer Alex Bystram, who if you search on Google works at Cineflix and is the executive producer of the Mayday Air disasters series. Jerryjerryjerryjerry (talk) 10:35, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Twitter is not a reliable source. Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 10:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

We also understand that Season 17 episodes 1-4 are listed on NatGeoUK and AU. In the previous discussion on this talk page, it has been determined to wait until Monday before adding those 4 episodes as we need to confirm that a new season is truly coming soon due to the odd nature of the season's premier. Please wait until the first episode has aired on television before adding them. Cheers. Tntad (talk) 20:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Season 17 Episodes Added

As we agreed in a previous discussion, we would wait until the first episode airs on television before adding it to the article. I was fortunate enough to be in the UK during the time where "Killer Attitude" aired and saw it premier on television, it was a very interesting accident. Because the first episode was shown on television at the date and time planned on NatGeoUK, the episodes currently listed on both NatGeoUK and AU will be added to the article (episode 1-4). Cheers and enjoy the new episodes to come. Tntad (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I just looked at the NatGeoUK page and the seasons are scrambled, but the airdates remain the same except for episodes 3 and 4. Because of this, I am using the Australia NatGeo page for the airdates for those 2 episodes. These airdates are subject to change. Tntad (talk) 22:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Should a mention of Mayday be made in relevant crash articles?

There is a talk page discussion here concerning just this....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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