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	:I don't see any consensus in the discussion linked that these awards 'should' be kept: ]. Please point me to such consensus. ] (]) 04:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)		:I don't see any consensus in the discussion linked that these awards 'should' be kept: ]. Please point me to such consensus. ] (]) 04:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
	::As was explained on that talk page (until people were blue in the face), dates of rank and lists of awards are commonly maintained in military officer articles. The consensus can be found in the archives of ] which has covered this issue before. The issue of cutting German service awards and lists of Waffen-SS ranks should really be brought up there. (I will ] when I have a moment) -]<sup>]</sup> 04:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)		::As was explained on that talk page (until people were blue in the face), dates of rank and lists of awards are commonly maintained in military officer articles. The consensus can be found in the archives of ] which has covered this issue before. The issue of cutting German service awards and lists of Waffen-SS ranks should really be brought up there. (I will ] when I have a moment) -]<sup>]</sup> 04:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

			Intersting, Kierzek - who is probably the most experienced pundit on these articles - always turns a blind eye (or is just me) when coffman go on removal spree and obliterate most of data on German WWII military persons, to say nothing about whole articles being deleted. Maybe someone should tell them that a military infobox should contain what is stipulated in the military person infobox template, and is not intricate detail where the person was born or died or what units he served. Or if he served in WWI, gods forbid containing in the infobox as is intricate detail. And perhaps Kierzek know that if someone was awarded the Knight's Cross means that automatically he was also awarded the Iron Cross second and first class, as it was prerequisite included both version of Iron Cross to receive the Knight's Cross. So no need to delete the Iron Cross information if you keep the Knight' Cross.

			Pundits here, maybe you look at Allies military personnel to see how is structured and stop using double standards? Here one for you (just random):
			https://en.wikipedia.org/Konstantin_Rokossovsky

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Hello, you took the false birth-place for T.E. - not Solingen, but Hampont, a village east of Château-Salins (german Lorraine then, now situated in the Moselle Département, France). I corrected that, Best regards, WernerE (germanwiki), 12.2.05

It should be noted that the SS-Totenkopfverbände units were never part of the Waffen-SS. Infact, your entire section on the SS-Totenkopfverbände is incorrect. The 3.SS "Totenkopf" was a combat formation, and fought on the front lines of the war. I think you are confusing the 3.SS with the SS-Einsatzgruppen. These formations were, infact, totally seperate. The 3.SS was part of the Waffen-SS, while the Einsatzgruppen was part of the Allgemeine-SS.

Unref tags

The unref tags were removed from this article but no references were added. This was not appropriate IMHO. Suggest that editors with the ability to read German consult the German article for sources.Mtsmallwood (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Rewording

I changed "Eicke and his division distinguished themselves by an unmatched brutality and several war crimes" to "became known for an unmatched brutality ...." Distinguished themselves, with its positive connotations, was inappropriate for such savage acts.

Regarding the subject's photo: A face of evil. Sca (talk) 14:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

crematorium picture

That is a staged scene; not in operation. --41.151.0.98 (talk) 16:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

It does show the operation of same; I tweaked the picture to reflect that point. Kierzek (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Primary source

Karl Ullrich's Like a Cliff in the Ocean is a WP:Primary source, supporting potentially unverifiable statement. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:00, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't see where it has been used; removed it. Kierzek (talk) 13:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Removal of dates of rank and awards

I have restored Eicke's ranks and awards as these are normal for inclusion in military articles. As has been explained and discussed several times (most recently at Talk:Karl_Wolff#Awards_removal), we do not normally remove rank and award information in articles of this nature. If there is a dispute with whether Eicke held certain awards or ranks, that can be discussed. -O.R. 04:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't see any consensus in the discussion linked that these awards 'should' be kept: Talk:Karl_Wolff#Awards_removal. Please point me to such consensus. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

As was explained on that talk page (until people were blue in the face), dates of rank and lists of awards are commonly maintained in military officer articles. The consensus can be found in the archives of WP:MILHIST which has covered this issue before. The issue of cutting German service awards and lists of Waffen-SS ranks should really be brought up there. (I will post a note when I have a moment) -O.R. 04:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Intersting, Kierzek - who is probably the most experienced pundit on these articles - always turns a blind eye (or is just me) when coffman go on removal spree and obliterate most of data on German WWII military persons, to say nothing about whole articles being deleted. Maybe someone should tell them that a military infobox should contain what is stipulated in the military person infobox template, and is not intricate detail where the person was born or died or what units he served. Or if he served in WWI, gods forbid containing in the infobox as is intricate detail. And perhaps Kierzek know that if someone was awarded the Knight's Cross means that automatically he was also awarded the Iron Cross second and first class, as it was prerequisite included both version of Iron Cross to receive the Knight's Cross. So no need to delete the Iron Cross information if you keep the Knight' Cross.

Pundits here, maybe you look at Allies military personnel to see how is structured and stop using double standards? Here one for you (just random): https://en.wikipedia.org/Konstantin_Rokossovsky

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