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Mike Mills

I think the Mike Mills Air refers to, is another Mike Mills, not the R.E.M member... does anyone have any info on this?

He's been the director of several videos for them and he drew several of their album covers too.

Album order incorrection.

From the inroduction: "critically acclaimed _first_ album Moon Safari was _followed_ by the release of Premiers Symptômes"

And from the discography: "# 1997 Premiers Symptômes - (5 tracks) - 12"/CD Source

1. 1998 Moon Safari - 12"/CD/MD Source - UK #6
2. 1999 Premiers Symptômes - (7 tracks) - 12"/CD Source - UK #12"

Clearly something isn't right here. A correction or an explanation would be appreciated.

The original Premiers Symptômes was released in 1997 in limited copies. After the success of Moon Safari, the album was re-released in 1999 with added bonus tracks.

Elle A Du Shell

What is this Air's Elle A Du Shell CD which is sold all over Internet but isn't listed here?

It seems to be a different Air, and as such the record is mistakenly lumped in on some websites with this Air. The Air who released "Elle A Du Shell" (alternatively listed as Air IV) is German DJ Pete Namlook, aka Peter Kuhlmann (see this page on Discogs for the artist: and this page for the album: .

Gram 22:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Record Label

Air left Recordmakers some months ago.Does anybody have informations about a new record label?

Please sign your posts on talk pages per Misplaced Pages:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 05:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

homosexualtiy

aren't these guys gay? not that there's anything wrong with that...

A common speculation given their song "Sexy Boy", but no, and there isn't. Hyacinth 08:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

No, they are not gay, if you look in the Moon Safari booklet, their wives are credited as doing the clapping in La Femme du Argent. And, again, if you read the Moon Safari booklet, the song New star in the sky is dedicated to the son of one of them, can't remember who right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.174.250.32 (talk) 21:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Move to Air (French band)?

Before they were simply Air, they were known as Air (French band). Since this name has some history behind it, i think it would make a better title for the article. Also, another air is at Air (Japanese band), so this move would increase consistency, too. Does anyone else support this move? Foobaz·o< 01:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I've only seen "Air - French Band" on the cover of Moon Safari, and nowhere else. It's not mentioned on Les Premiers Symptômes. I can't tell you whether or not it's on the cover of the early singles, since I don't own any of them, but I've always thought the "French Band" was just a one off for moon Safari. So I would be against the move. Lijnema 22:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Even though it may have been used only once, it is nevertheless a "specification" that was once used and is therefore a good choice for a disambiguation suffix, because nothing new is 'invented' by Misplaced Pages. --88.66.35.154 19:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Videos and movies cleanup?

I don't really see the point of listing every single movie that's had music by Air in it. It doesn't really seem all that interesting. Is there anyone who objects to removing everything except music videos (and videos about Air (if there are any))? Those I really want to remove are 10 Things I Hate About You, Startup.com, and Lost in Translation. I'm not sure about The Architecture of Reassurance, because I don't know anything about it, I'll have to see what I can find about it, but unless it's about Air, or their music I'd like to remove it. I think The Virgin Suicides can be left in, because as far as I know, Air made all music for the movie. Thoughts? --Lijnema 11:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's useful and informative to list the movies that have featured Air's music, even if there are quite a few of them. I do agree that it takes up a good chunk of space. Perhaps there's a way it could be streamlined a little.Ministry of Silly Walks 01:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Ministry, and I especially think "Lost in Translation" should stay in, as the song was originally intended for the movie. The song is called "Alone in Kyoto", and it is used when she is alone...and in Kyoto.monkeygra 21:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Acronym

Is there a source for it anywhere? I did a quick google search, and there were a few pages mentioning it, but I couldn't find any pointing to a real source. --Lijnema 10:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

No one? Because without sourcing it would be better to revert all those capitalised AIRs into Airs. --Lijnema 01:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a source and don't know one way or the other, but I agree that it should be reverted if no source is produced. --PEJL 09:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

just because you can't find an *definitive* internet source doesn't mean it isn't true. not every bit of information in existance is on the internet. while i haven't heard this first-hand, i did find this: http://www.airfrenchband.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=636&sid=17150a74a642c8dec8d2d71f19294760 there are a few posts in there. monkeygra 06:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Please read Misplaced Pages:Citing sources Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and also WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided. And Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I have reverted for now but if you find proper sources for backing up your claim, I encourage you to re-insert the information. – sgeureka 07:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

from the book "AIR de A à Z" by Jennifer Lesieur (which is in French and apparently hard to find): "Air. Il y a trois lettres dans ce mot : A pour Amour, I pour Imagination, R pour Rêve." Jean-Benoît Dunckel, l'un des deux cerveaux de Air, a bien résumé son oeuvre. ----- or roughly translated thanks to BabelFish: "Air. There are three letters in this word: A for Amour, I for Imagination, R for Rêve." Jean-Benoit Dunckel, one of the two brains of Air, summarized his work well. ---- this i found from the airfrenchband.org forums ---- as well, on almost all releases the band name is spelled in all capitals, so i think the page should be moved to AIR (band), but i don't want to piss people off.monkeygra 20:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

How the name is capitalized on album covers is irrelevant, per WP:NC#Album titles and band names. What is relevant is whether the name is really an acronym or not. While the name may at one time have been an acronym, the question is if it is still being used as such. --PEJL 21:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

i've personally always disagreed with the naming conventions of Misplaced Pages (and Discogs, too), but that's just me. anyway, while originally indended as an acronym as shown in the interview from "AIR de A à Z", it was never actually shown as such on their record packaging (as far as i know). I'm looking at the packaging of "Pocket Symphony" right now, and the band name is still printed in all capital letters (while the font used shows all big and small letters in the same style, the capitals are still noticeably taller than the rest). i've never seen any "official" release (original band release, not compilations that might not know better, etc.) that did NOT show the band name in all capitals. even their LateNightTales cover shows it in all capitals. monkeygra 21:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

But as PEJL pointed out, how they use it doesn't really matter unless it's an acronym. But anyway, I went through my CDs to check how they've capitalised their name. It looks like up until Premiers Symptomes they were using all lowercase or mixed case (you can go to this astralweks page to see what I mean, scroll down to the bottom). In the sleeve of Premiers Symptomes the name is written as "Air" everywhere. In the sleeve of Moon Safari, it's "AIR". In The Virgin Suicides, they use a font with no lowercase (so I guess you can say it's "AIR"). In 10000Hz Legend they use "AIR". And finally in Talkie Walkie it's "Air". I don't have the City Reading at hand, and I don't have Pocket Symphony at all. All the text I've mentioned is the ones in the sleeve, or the back of the sleeve, where it says who wrote/produced/etc things. Personally, I think that "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" might have been how they came up with the name Air, and is not meant as an acronym, as you point out they don't mention Air being an acronym anywhere on their sleeves, or anywhere else for that matter. I do think that it would be good to mention "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" somewhere, that Godin and Duncel find that those words summarise the music or something (the quote seems to incidate that). And finally, thanks for looking around for sources, monkeygra, good job. --Lijnema 01:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

to me, it seems that the capitalization of just the first letter would be because of someone at the label who wouldn't necessarily be in-the-know (especially american versions). anyway, what it is to me is something that seems very likely (the acronym deal) but none of us here know *for sure* how Dunckel and Godin intend for it to be used. i'm just thinking that it seems more likely that the band name (whether it is to be an acronym or not) is always intended to be in all-capitals. that's what i think. i'm not trying to sound like a jerk about it, or anything. monkeygra 03:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I think PEJL is correct, and that WIkipedia's policy is right, simply because graphic design is not spelling or capitalization. A band may choose to use graphic design on its covers that uses all lower-case, or all caps: that does not mean the name is spelled that way. Many bands vary such designs, and it's rare to find a band that definitely claims its name should be all lower-case or all caps. Even there, I find this an annoying tendency, similar to specifying that your name appear only in 24-point Helvetica bold. Proper nouns in English capitalize their first letter: that's the standard that should be used. Unless a name is an acronym or initialism, it should not be all caps (ex: R.E.M.). 2fs 14:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Air is *not* an acronym. I had the chance to interview Nicolas Godin and asked him this very question; his answer is that the acronym was invented after the fact. See http://www.ravemagazine.com.au/content/view/8209/30/ 121.45.204.74 (talk) 05:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Vocal style

I think their vocal style deserves a mention. Prior to hearing about the band in a news report I thought they had a female front singer. As most people probably know (at least after reading the list of band members), the female voice is actually performed by a man. It's not just falsetto or something, he actually sounds like a female singer. I think that should be mentioned somewhere, because I'm sure many people expected a woman to be the owner of that voice, especially after hearing Sexy Boy. -- 78.34.72.78 (talk) 06:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the wonders of vocoders. Doesn't need to be mentioned. ♫ Douglasr007 (talk) 19:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Instruments Section

Seriously, is that necessary? I deleted it. It's useless and no other band has a section like it. 76.237.88.71 (talk) 08:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

"Genesis of the band"

Why does that section have such a stupid heading? I have never seen any other band page refer to the formation of the group as their "genesis." It's incredibly pretentious. --NBMATT (talk) 04:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Genres

To the guy who keeps changing the genres: You can repeat yourself all you want, but repeating it doesn't make it so. The two genres I left on the page are weakly sourced, but a weak source is better than no source at all. You are adding genres the provided source does not verify. Did you even check the source? It doesn't mention genres at all, not "prog" or anything else. I looked it up in a library database. I look forward to your next block for genre warring and socking so I don't have to deal with your behavior any longer. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 02:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Marcos Valle

Sound of Marcos Valle, on his 1973 album "Previsão do Tempo" (Weather Forecast), is the sound of Air on "Moon Safari". Must be cited as an influence. The tranquil period moog synthesizer sound is from the title track of that album. 86.168.57.228 (talk) 09:27, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

A Jean Michel Jarre collaboration 2015 release not listed, in this article and/or discography

The track Close Your Eyes on Jean Michel Jarre's Electronica 1 The Time Machine album could be added to the article by an editor then delete this from talk if they wish

Change of name from "Air (French band)" to "Air (band)" 2017

Could we change the name of the article Air (French band) to Air (band). It is more neutral and there isn't any other band called Air (bar Air (free jazz trio) a not famous band, visibility on[REDACTED] = article seen 230 in the last 30 days...]), so Air (French band) is not justified. Tagging a band with its nationality is also annoying . Hobbes Goodyear, Greg Fasolino. Iennes (talk) 12:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Mildly support this, for reasons given. On the other hand, it's been "French band" in WP for a dozen years, and the extra info is correct. Would give folks a chance to chime in, but if they don't, no objection to the change. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 16:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Since there was no objection, I have moved the page, and added a hatnote to differentiate it from Air (free jazz trio). There's still a redirect from "French band", so those looking for it there will find it.—Anne Delong (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposed name change

Virtually all reliable sources (see existing article refs) refer to them as "Air", not "AIR". I plan to move the article and all WP refs to reflect this accepted usage. If anyone disagrees, could you please advise why you think that the commonly recognizable name of this group is "AIR", not "Air"? --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 04:18, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Agree. I reviewed the discussion above from 2008 and it appears there was no conclusive evidence that it is an actual acronym, and thus should be Air, just as it is listed in reviews, sources etc. Greg Fasolino (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Rename just done in French fr:Air (groupe). QuasarFr (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

• On "Discogs 1", all the sleeves of their records are available. On all their releases, the typography of the band is AIR in capitals, without any space and any dot between the letters. Acronym or not acronym, there's an ambiguity. We can see that the band have constantly presented themselves as AIR. Iennes (talk) 23:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

How they present the name is irrelevant, Wiki does not use stylized names. All caps are used ONLY for acronyms. See Kiss vs. KISS for example. There is zero evidence that this band's name had ever been intended as an acronym and they were never listed that way in press sources and reviews back in the late 1990s when they emerged. This page's usage of all caps is not standard for Wiki and in conflict with its rules, and should be changed to Air.Greg Fasolino (talk) 14:53, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

"not standard for Wiki and in conflict with its rules", it is not correct as this is not mentioned anywhere in one of the five pillars of wikipedia. You mention an essay , and as we know, an essay is not a rule. Iennes (talk) 16:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Look in the acronym section of MOS. Also:

WP:MOS-TM: "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment".

WP:NC: "Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn (band)".

WP:MOS-CL#All caps: "Avoid writing in all capitals". Greg Fasolino (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

• Air is not an acronym: it has been confirmed by Godin several times. So we won't call the article AIR (band). Iennes (talk) 11:55, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Koui², you are the only one who disagrees to mention ((stylized as AIR on their album covers) next to Air in the lead. You can see that Hobbes Goodyear made my first lead sentence less wordy and shortened it . Iennes (talk) 02:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Iennes, I see the discussion about not having the page title be in capitals, but I don't see a discussion here leading to a consensus about "(stylized as AIR)", one way or the other. Koui², you need to stop removing content without at least giving a reason in an edit summary. It's time for both of you, and perhaps other editors who have contributed to the previous name-related discussions if they are interested, to discuss this before editing that phrase again. Linking to reliable sources in the discussion would be useful, too. I hope not too much time is spent on this; the article has much more serious problems with puffery, exaggerated claims and unsourced (and therefore possibly non-notable) opinions of band members. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:49, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Current version

I've put instead this in the notes at the bottom of the article; So it doesn't appear in the lead anymore. It seems apt as 100% of their album sleeves had got AIR written like this, 90% of their singles has got AIR like this. "all their sleeves are reproduced here". Iennes (talk) 17:34, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

You've been told not to engage a wheel war, be it on fr or here. Please don't push your own pov. You've been blocked for this kind of behaviour on .fr already. --Koui² (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Koui2's refusal to explain his point of view shows that he is in pure obstruction. On this talk, administrator Anne has already asked Koui2 to stop his reverts. This is his first message and he still doesn't reply and carries on bringing discussion on from a fr wiki. Iennes (talk) 23:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Rfc

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Which version has to appear in the notes: a) "Often stylized as AIR" or b) "Sometimes stylized as AIR"? 100% of their albums and 90% of their singles stylize AIR in capitals, all their sleeves are on discogs. . - Iennes (talk) 17:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Votes

• I vote for the version a) with Often. - Iennes (talk) 18:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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