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F8

I spent quite a few minutes chipping away at F8 and barely made a dent.

Based upon my progress, my guess is if I spent the whole day on it I would still not quite get through today's additions to the list. If you don't mind, I'd like to describe my process, so you can tell me if there is a more efficient way to process these.

Obviously, the format and layout of the information other than the image itself is different in Commons than in Misplaced Pages. When I do the comparison I focus on making sure that the following things are present in both locations:

1. Obviously, that the images match
2. Both locations contain the same license
3. Both locations contain the same author
4. If there is an OTRS ticket I confirmed that both have an OTRS ticket (although I have not gone to the additional step other than spotchecks to make sure that both went to the same OTRS ticket)

I sometimes look at the uploader but I haven't been rigorous and ensuring that both list the same uploader.

I start at the category and open a handful of images in one browser. Then go to a second browser and open the same set. Working with the second set, I then locate the link to the Commons image and open it. Now I have two screens, each with multiple tabs, the Misplaced Pages images in one screen and the Commons images in the second screen.

I then walk through one at a time make sure the images match, make sure the licenses match, make sure the authors match and make sure both or neither have OTRS tickets.

I think go through and delete the Misplaced Pages items using F8 as a reason. In some cases, when there is a large number of images from the same author, I will review them all and then use the batch deletion option.

This still takes a tremendous amount of time.

It would be tempting to conclude that if the transfer was done by the FastilyClone, that evidence suggest it does the transfer properly and that information would be sufficient to justify deletion and only those transferred by some other means need the full manual check. However, I haven't reach that conclusion yet.

Do you have a more efficient way of vetting these images?--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:22, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: yes, I do. I use toollabs:magog/commons_images.htm. It helps you compare each file side by side. It is far from perfect; images don't always load due to Mediawiki constraints, it's ugly, and somewhat inefficient. But because I'm the only one that uses it, and it's not worth my effort to do things the right way. If you want to take advantage of the AJAX delete capabilities, you'll need to import the script under the if statement at the top of User:Magog the Ogre/monobook.js and copy it to your own myskin.js. Otherwise, due to technical constraints, you'll have to turn off your popup blocker, and it has to open a new window for each deletion, and you'll have to manually click the delete button.

As for content, I don't actually verify the OTRS ticket. That is too much work and I figure we should trust our agents. However, I do make sure that the information looks correct. The author shouldn't state "{{original uploader|...}}" or be blank or whatever, since those are obviously wrong. If they do, then I'll look at the ticket to find the right answer. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

This is funny. As I thought about the process, I considered how I would improve it, and my thought was some software that would bring in each image, and line them up side by side. I will try checking out your script, I do understand that when one creates something for oneself, you work on the functionality, and don't worry about making it pretty.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:56, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

So what do you do when you run into a situation where the author is listed as the original uploader:

File:Michael Anthony Franano - 2012 Promotional Photo.jpg

c:File:Michael Anthony Franano - 2012 Promotional Photo.jpg--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: For OTRS images, that is usually wrong, so I check the text description for the correct author. If that isn't present, I'll actually pull up the OTRS ticket. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 23:39, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

OK thanks. ::sigh:: there's a lot of work to do. (Thanks for all you do) --S Philbrick(Talk) 00:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I know. I've asked transferrers to do more to ensure the data is correct. This is not always possible. FWIW, OgreBot always performs the cleanup 2 function on files ~24-48 hours after they are initially uploaded. This helps with many, but not all issues. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:09, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

File:Making Movies.png

Why did you remove {{Now commons}}? The file is available on Commons. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 11:59, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat: I stated that in the edit summary. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't get you. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 14:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat: look at the file history. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 16:33, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes but I read only "Wrong file format", thus I cannot understand the reason. A png cannot be replaced by an equivalent SVG? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 16:35, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat: No, it cannot without going through another deletion process. This is the first criterion under WP:F8. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 17:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so what should be done? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 22:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat: exactly what I said in the edit summary. Nominate it at FFD. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 23:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok. Please, then have a look to see if I did it correctly. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 23:40, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Done here. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 23:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat: yes that looks good. You can also use Twinkle to ease the process. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:13, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Twinkle? -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 20:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

@Blackcat WP:TW. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:13, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

Please follow up the image review discussion, and kindly help us in finding out a way. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 03:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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Your opinion about some uploads

Hi. What do you think about this small picture and these uploads with mysterious description (maybe in the deleted user_page existed some explanation for this summary, can you take a look into it)? --XXN, 16:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

@XXN: the first file, I have no opinion on. The second look just fine to me; it's just a confused uploader. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:36, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

File:BuddhoBabu.jpg

Hi could you restore this image here. It's been deleted on Commons as it was a sockpuppet's upload.—indopug (talk) 06:31, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

@Indopug:  Done Magog the Ogre (t • c) 23:54, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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Looking for input

Hi there, I was wondering if you would be willing to share your input here on these files at FFD. Thank you! Jon Kolbert (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for your tireless work cleaning up files available at the Wikimedia Commons under WP:F8. Your dedication is deeply appreciated. Keep doing what you do! Mz7 (talk) 03:31, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

My progress...

After the awful drama that I suffered, I did take a break for almost one week. I did intend to take a long wikibreak, but I couldn't put my mind out of Misplaced Pages. I did a lot of editing on Cold War II (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and some on Cold war (general term) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). I uploaded more images. However, I got into disputes, like in Talk:Oh Father (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) where other editors refused to let me switch the image. I even contributed to Murder of Alison Parker and Adam Ward (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) but met opposition who considered me disastrous. I did make more RMs, including Talk:Hawaii Five-O, but that was soon before Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010 TV series) was made. Lately, I'm scolded for making a bold revert and then discussion at Exile on Main St. I realize that I found socializing and researching too irksome for me. However, if both benefit more than... I don't know, sole contributions, my opinions would be futile and useless. Must I put society and research before opinions? Must I be opinion-less person or something? --George Ho (talk) 10:29, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Moreover, I was told to socialize more and more. However, many article talk pages are nearly empty. I think about other populated venues, but... I don't know. I'm getting tired of hostility and politics in Misplaced Pages. I do want to continue contributing to Misplaced Pages, but I am feeling tired of reading words and words and words. Maybe I should meet others face-to-face. George Ho (talk) 21:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Patent drawings

Magog, is it OK to move a patent drawing from US (en) WP to Commons? It is PD in the US because it is a govt. patent drawing. But is it PD in other countries? PraeceptorIP (talk) 21:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@PraeceptorIP: Commons rules say the image must be free in the home country and the US. In this case, it's both, which are both the US, so you can transfer as long as it's actually a US government work.

As an aside, we've had disagreement on enforcing the "free in the US rule" on Commons, so you might find we don't always abide by it. But technically we should. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 04:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Files

Hi. Can you take a look at these uploads and the deleted ones from User talk:Unfetteredself? The description info may be a bit confusing, but comparing with the user page it is ok I think. If those deleted files of this user had a similar description, it may be necessary to restore them and to transfer to Commons, or, what do you think? --XXN, 16:38, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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13:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

File:A view of the downtown Anchorage skyline..jpg

Cleaning up recent messes while I have a chance. It says that you recently deleted this file here after it was moved to Commons. I was curious whether or not you were aware of old discussions at Talk:Anchorage, Alaska/Archive 1, where the question was raised as to whether or not the uploader was contributing original material or scavenging stuff from the web in violation of copyright. I would assume that this weighed heavy on why the file was never moved to Commons for all those years. Regardless of its status, I have a much better photo of the same view in my upload queue, just waiting to have the time necessary to touch up a few of the photos and upload them. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:14, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

@RadioKAOS: no, I was not aware of that discussion. People wait to move old files all the time, so nothing was out of the ordinary. If you believe it is a copyright violation, I recommend nominating for deletion on Commons. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

It's probably safe to say that most or all those folks moved on a long time ago, so I'm not sure it's really my battle to fight. FFD is full of discussions of photos uploaded by long-departed contributors who aren't around anymore to defend their contrubtions. Like I said, I'll deal with it by uploading a far superior photo I took myself. Thanks anyway. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

File:Illuminated human alphabet.jpg

You deleted File:Illuminated human alphabet.jpg because it's on the commons. True, but the name and date of the original upload got lost, - can you repair that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: no they aren't. They're right there on the page. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:01, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I looked the wrong spot, sorry. The original source is wrong (was wrong when uploading, different book, which the description has right) but I don't know if it should be changed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: {{sofixit}}. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:24, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't know the right one, and we can't ask the uploader. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I say give it a try. User:Hillbillyholiday edited elsewhere within the last 48 hours. Or you could use Google reverse image search. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Commons Transfers.

I won't press this issue, given that you are technically correct, and given current policy "acceptable". However, given that the additional concerns arose after the initial tagging, it would be greatly appreciated that if you felt that the images were acceptable for Commons, you said so using your user name, and not mine (or that of a closed alternate account). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:41, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00:  Done Magog the Ogre (t • c) 04:36, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

CommonsDelinker

Hi, I see from this you are listed as an operator of the CommonsDelinker bot. The bot appears to have stop working on the 20th March. I left a message for Magnus Manske on there commons talk page but they do not appear to be active at the moment so I wondered if you could give it a look and a kick as required. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 16:58, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

@Steinsplitter: the commit history seems to show you have figured out a way to fix this. The bot is stuck because it can't find liwikibooks. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 04:25, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

liwikibooks exist, i have no idea what this is causing (maybe the framewrok used, but i am not familiar with that). --Steinsplitter (talk) 05:49, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

File:NOCSlogofinal copy.png

Hi, you recently deleted a local copy of the above linked file after it was transferred to Commons however it looks like the transfer hasn't worked properly (getting 404 not found error). Are you able to undelete so I can re-upload on Commons? Thanks, Salavat (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@Salavat: soon. See phabricator:T161943. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 04:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

File:The Arts Fountain, Jefferson City, Missouri, USA, Robert Aitken, sculptor.jpg

You tagged this as not having the copyright and licensing in order, but it appears to me that it does have these things. I did not find a link to a place to discuss this, so came here. I do believe that there is aprons here, somewhere. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:27, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

@Carptrash: photographs of 3D objects carry their own copyright. You'll need to provide the photograph a license. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:42, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Sigh. Okay, it's my picture. I need to go and release my rights to the picture. Carptrash (talk) 02:27, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:48, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello there

I see you warned this editor in 2012 He continued and socked on the page in 2016. Removes content because he dislikes the group, calls them a cult on several forums such as this . The Ahbash talk page is spammed with this in the archives by Mckhan. All articles related to al ahbash cant be edited because he wipes out every addition since 2005. User complaints 2601:401:C400:ED28:A928:6F5A:D665:9BEA (talk) 00:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC)