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:*{{ping|Drmies}} The last version I touched was which was semi-decent. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:43, 10 May 2017 (UTC) :*{{ping|Drmies}} The last version I touched was which was semi-decent. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:43, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
::*It's got unsubstantiated claims of abuse, of glory, of cheating, and snide commentary..."again citing truthfulness as a value he admired"... ] (]) 14:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC) ::*It's got unsubstantiated claims of abuse, of glory, of cheating, and snide commentary..."again citing truthfulness as a value he admired"... ] (]) 14:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Given the number of blatant lies contained in earlier (almost certainly) self-penned versions of this article, and the subject's proven cheating in competition, I would not be inclined to believe anything at all that comes from his mouth without it being separately verifiable, including his allegedly unfortunate chilhood, no matter what news source has reported it in the course of interviewing him. All that means is the journalist trusted him,it does not mean it is true. ] (]) 17:25, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


==Nuclear option== ==Nuclear option==

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Article was previously created by Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Milram2010.

Commons uploads look lousy with copyvios:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/Special:ListFiles/Runultratalk

https://commons.wikimedia.org/Category:Robert_Young_(triathlete)

see also:

https://www.reddit.com/r/running/comments/4nc18o/robert_young_who_is_on_pace_to_break_the/

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7355147&page=20

©Geni (talk) 12:21, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Article had been started, almost certainly by Young himself, several times by numerous user identities and with many false claims (but none of the childhood abuse stories) up to 2012: the only verifiable claims in those articles fell well short of notability in Misplaced Pages terms. Exploits in the Run across America have raised him to notability, but given the attempts of assumed sockpuppet Aboutrunners to close this page, I wonder what duty of care Misplaced Pages might have to what appears to be a mentally susceptible contributor/subject. Kevin McE (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
  • NeilN, I'm pinging you because you ran into Woodywing before. This article is a BLP nightmare, a hit job, with Woodywing as one of the hitters. I'm going through slowly, both through the article and the history, but I thought I'd leave this preliminary note in case the sky falls down on me. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
  • It's got unsubstantiated claims of abuse, of glory, of cheating, and snide commentary..."again citing truthfulness as a value he admired"... Drmies (talk) 14:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Given the number of blatant lies contained in earlier (almost certainly) self-penned versions of this article, and the subject's proven cheating in competition, I would not be inclined to believe anything at all that comes from his mouth without it being separately verifiable, including his allegedly unfortunate chilhood, no matter what news source has reported it in the course of interviewing him. All that means is the journalist trusted him,it does not mean it is true. Kevin McE (talk) 17:25, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Nuclear option

This article is a disaster from start to finish: it was written as a puff piece in the first person, and along the way got augmented by editorial commentary, supposed video evidence, and was basically turned into a hit job. There is only one solution, and that is to nuke it. NeilN, after I pinged you I saw you had been contacted by a number of COI editors in this history, and I hope you agree that this BLP-violating nightmare needs to die.

Below I'll paste the external links, and I'll cull some of the reliable sources from the article--not the forums, not the videos, not the Facebook posts, not the press releases, not the reputation-destroying https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/. I'll try to rewrite it as a brief stub, but this will take some work. Drmies (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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