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:Please see the FAQ at the top of the page. - <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>]</sup> 15:44, 9 May 2017 (UTC) :Please see the FAQ at the top of the page. - <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>]</sup> 15:44, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Why the hell can't you edit this?

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This is extremely biased. Why can't anyone be proud to be white? Anymation (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Please see the FAQ at the top of this page. - SummerPhD 19:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

White pride vs. black pride vs. gay pride

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The first sentences ...

White Pride: "White pride is a motto primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints"

Black Pride: "Black pride is a movement in response to dominant white cultures and ideologies that encourages black people to celebrate black culture and embrace their African heritage."

Gay Pride: "Gay pride or LGBT pride is the positive stance against discrimination and violence toward lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people to promote their self-affirmation, dignity, equality rights, increase their visibility as a social group, build community, and celebrate sexual diversity and gender variance."

Any questions? I hate those evil white racist Nazis. -- Alexey Topol (talk) 13:07, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Please see the FAQ at the top of this page. - Edaham (talk) 14:08, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Irony, if it was intended, is not well-conveyed through typed text. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:14, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Not forum
The original post seemed to want to compare and draw attention to a disparity in the way the word "pride" is suffixed to create distinct terms. This disparity exists in the context in which it is used. This is reflected in the article and a FAQ has been extensively written to address this point.
Irony will definitely do nothing to provoke new thought on this subject or improve the article. This isn't a forum, something which shouldn't need to be constantly pointed out. Unless there's a specific edit suggestion posted in due course, suggest closing this thread and others like it without an ongoing discussion.
Edaham (talk) 15:18, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2017

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This[REDACTED] post is patently racist in its description of anyone expressing white pride as a racist. Some may be, but[REDACTED] does not suggest that black lives matter or black panthers are racist even as they call for murdering whites. Emptycore (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Please see the FAQ at the top of the page. - SummerPhD 15:44, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
It is not racist if you want to kill whites, because whites are worthless Nazi trash. -- Alexey Topol (talk) 11:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Be neutral when writing Misplaced Pages pages please.

It came to my attention that this page has been politicized and argumentative towards one side. Please avoid such actions to prevent targeted vandalism and hate speech. I'd suggest consulting to our Five Pillars for more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seagullimperial (talk • contribs) 01:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Please see the FAQ at the top of the page. - SummerPhD 01:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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