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Complaining about bossy user

Wikipedian MezzoMezzo is being very arrogant and bossy he always edits the article i write and calls it my POV , however it's instead his own grudge against the person i am writing regarding. Even his knowledge regarding the subject is valued, please take action or such wikipedian will never let new users and true facts to appear on Misplaced Pages.Thanks, --Saudmujadidi (talk) 05:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Saudmujadidi. If the dispute is about an article, the best place to discuss it on the article's talk page. For instance, if it's Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi, then you should begin a discussion at Talk:Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi . If the dispute is primarily about user behavior, you can consider filing a report at WP:Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents, but it might be a better approach just to go edit some other articles for a while; emotional investment in an article or topic tends to diminish when one editor takes a break, and that's generally a good thing. I haven't looked into the specifics of this dispute, and you haven't provided any links, but I'll tell you frankly that the allegation you have made about MezzoMezzo—that they have a grudge against the subject of an article they're editing—is a serious one. You want to be very sure of what you say, and be able to back it up with compelling evidence, when you allege something like that. Rivertorch_WATER 06:26, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for reply and guidance. I am writing for years on Ahmed Raza Khan in text. Despite this I am in direct contact with the family members of Ahmed Raza Khan. I recently shared my edits with him concern it's authenticity which I was assured. Also I have various books written by different authors on biography of Ahmed Raza Khan. Secondly I noticed MezzoMezzo doesn't have knowledge regarding Sufism and Ahmed Raza Khan was a Sufi. Actually Islam is currently divided mainly into the Sufi and the orthodox sect. It may be that the user belong to the other group therefore he tries to edit it on POV and it may be merely his illiteracy on the topic. In both the cases he should leave poking in this topic. If you want I could show you my large collection on books written on him and I also have in connection with many PhD candidate in thesis on Ahmed Raza Khan. User:Saudmujadidi (talk) 06:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Now appears Saudmujadidi is contacting other users to push his side of the disagreement with MezzoMezzo NZ Footballs Conscience 07:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Saudmujadidi, it sounds as if you have a conflict of interest. Please read the relevant guideline carefully before making any more edits to that article. Rivertorch_WATER 17:07, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I find it interesting that before posting here and canvassing other users, Saudmujadidi's only interaction with me consisted of him flaming me on my talk page and me asking him to take it to the talk page of the article in question. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Saudmujadidi has continued editing tendentiously with significant changes to articles with which he has a COI yet without discussing said changes on talk pages first. He's also continued canvassing other users based on his errant assumption that if those users share his religious beliefs, they'll automatically support his edits.

So I have a teahouse question. Is there a way we can educate Saudmujadidi about the way that Misplaced Pages basically functions (i.e. as a neutral collection of sources and not a competition to see whose point of view wins in the end)? Is there any sort of a mandatory mentorship program that can be required when problematic behavior like this arises? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• Welcome to the Teahouse. This is not the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents which is the proper venue for behavioral issues.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:20, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Editors are encouraged to act with civility and review Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Using primary source for lists

Hi I am making a page which once finished will have some similarity to the ] which i am planning to use to build it. WP:CIL is not helpful enough. please advise. It will contain more information, my worry is that it will seem very similar (from a copyvio perspective), and that even if i don't use that source, i will end up building much the same list anyway, since the bus routes use standard notation. A Guy into Books (talk) 21:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi again A Guy into Books. If the entries to the list are suitably finite (e.g., 22 entries it would seem here as the totality) such that you will not be exercising creative selection in what routes to include, and the ordering is done by some standardized criteria. e.g., alphabetical, beginning stop, to end stop, etc., and furthermore, the source's selection of what to include as to each entry is not creatively selective (for example, there might be a problem if each entry on a list contained ten categories of data, where many types of data categories could have been selected, and you copied those ten categories) you do not have a copyright issue here. Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:50, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that. A Guy into Books (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Before putting too much effort into such an article please read WP:NOTTRAVEL, WP:NOTGUIDE, and WP:OR. Going by past experiance such a list compiled from primary sources is likely to be deleted as original research and non-encyclopedic content.Charles (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Can I develop a page for my football team?

I manage a football team in New Zealand which has been in existence for 37 years. We have a huge array of statistics for all 648 games we've played, goal scorers, assists, penalties, own goals, were there nets and flags on the day, etc.

I've created a mock up using the Tottenham Hotspurs football club as a starting point to see if we have sufficient information, and I can pretty much replicate all the salient points with our own team information.

Cheers, Glenn150.107.173.180 (talk) 03:40, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

We discourage users from editing pages relating to subjects they have connections with -- see WP:Conflict of interest.

We also forbid promotional editing -- see WP:NOTPROMO.

Someone who is not affiliated with your team could create a page by summarizing, paraphrasing, and citing multiple professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are independent of and unaffiliated with your team.

"That other team has a page" is not a valid argument, even if it is common enough that we've got a page on it. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:47, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Glenn, what club are you interested in creating and what sources do you have. I'm always interested in helping Football pages on Wiki and of course New Zealand Football pages. You can leave a message on my talk page User talk:NZ Footballs Conscience NZ Footballs Conscience 00:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

resubmitting an edit request

Hi Wikipedians,

I recently made some suggestions for changes to the History Section on the Arla Foods Talk page (since I have a COI). The request was denied and I submitted a revised version as a comment on the talk page, addressed at the original reviewer. I have not received a response yet. Should I somehow resubmit the request to notify the reviewer or other users who can review the submission as well?

Thanks in advance!

A8260 (talk) 07:41, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@A8260: Hello and welcome. As this is a volunteer project, with people doing what they can when they can, it may take time for the person who replied to you to reply again. I see that you pinged the user, once they see it, they should reply. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

MAKE[REDACTED] PAGE LIVE

please help me in making VIPUL D SHAH[REDACTED] page live. If the article looks more like an advertisement, please help in editing so I can make this page live asapVipul D Shah (talk) 10:50, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. You need to read why Misplaced Pages recommends against trying to write an autobiography. If you wish to write about another subject, there are recommendations at WP:Your first article, and you also need to read about the need for references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. Also, please don't WP:SHOUT. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I have re edited my draft for a page to be approved, how do I submit it?

I finished a new wiki page that now meets the musician notability criteria that it did not before. How do I submit it for review now? danny Dashugs03 (talk) 13:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Danny_Delegato Dashugs03 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome,you have submitted the draft for review.But due to high backlog in Misplaced Pages,your draft may be reviewed after 3 or 5 weeks gap.Or it may take a long time.Happy editing Abishe (talk) 14:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I took a quick look at your submission. I applied an automated tool to your page to fill in what were bare URLs and turned them into web citations. Bare URLs are subject to LINKROT while citations fare a little better.

You may want to visit the AfC help desk with what you think are the three best references to establish notability according to the notability criteria that apply to musicians. It was not obvious to me that you had what's needed, but having the discussion about notability at the help desk will give some clarity to the decision. It would help to do this while waiting for the next review. — jmcgnh 14:39, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Styleguide

Hello,

I just edited a page yesterday and kept on adding sections and minor edits. Should I have waited and submitted everything in one edit or was I right to try to add in smaller chunks? Cheers, HerrHartmuth (talk) 13:16, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I myself am a this-looks-better/this-looks-better/this-looks-better sort of editor and no yet has thrown a WikiRock at my head. I'd say that as long as your edits are not a means of increasing your life-count of edits, no harm in being an incrementalist. David notMD (talk) 14:15, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I prefer to save after each significant edit (such as adding some content and its citation). Partially, that practice derived from learning the importance of frequent saving in my early days of using computers. More importantly, however, edit summaries can be more precise that way. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Google search for Wiki page

Hi all! I recently created a[REDACTED] page for an artist (Brodha V), who's band also has a[REDACTED] page (Machas with Attitude) that has been in existence for a couple of years now. However, when you google the name of the artist, the band's page pops up in the search results. The artist's page pops up only if you google 'Brodha V wiki' specifically. Is this common? Or did I miss something while creating the artist's page? My guess was that since the artist's page is relatively new, and till date people could find information about him only through the band's page, that was still the most popular result. However, I just wanted to confirm with experts to make sure I didn't miss anything. Thanks in advance! Nramesh (talk) 15:01, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Nramesh, and welcome to the Teahouse. All seems in order on Misplaced Pages's end: the page exists in the mainspace and is open for indexing by search engines. Whatever Google wants to do from that point on is their business, not ours, and there is nothing we can do about it. It is a good thing you asked though. Not all editors are aware how articles are indexed. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

How to Reactivate Misplaced Pages Page that has been wrongfully blocked?

I have previously contributed to the Misplaced Pages page for an international non-governmental organization called the Federation of Interior Architects/Designers (IFI), which was founded in 1963. An abusive Misplaced Pages editor named Huon (https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Huon) has reversed my edits and now disabled the page! As an international nonprofit, we have limited funds and Misplaced Pages is one of the primary ways we can communicate with our international audience and grow awareness for the cause we represent (design advocacy). Rather than verifying the organization and the information contributed to Misplaced Pages by actually doing research (as easy as going to our website - ifiworld.org - clearly delineated on the Misplaced Pages page - or using google - we are referenced in The Encyclopedia of the Industrial Revolution in World History, v. III by Kenneth E. Hendrickson III), Huon shut the page down entirely.

I was under the impression that Misplaced Pages has a checks and balances system in place--that smart people are paid to verify information and do good research to make sure that such abuse of power does not happen. I am left to question the ethics of Misplaced Pages when editors are targeting nonprofit contributors whose primary mission is to make the world a better place...

What is more is that there appears to be no clear or effective way to combat or complain about people like Huon (https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Huon) who have been given the power to edit information but don't have the will or skills to verify it.

If anyone can give some insight into how to reactive this page, I would really appreciate it. This organization is very important to me and I have long been involved in helping advance the mission. Thanks for reading this post.

Ynejdawi (talk) 15:26, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Ynejdawi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you're having trouble with your page, but I'm afraid you have some misconceptions about what Misplaced Pages is and how it works. Misplaced Pages is not a place for any third party organization to communicate or grow awareness; Misplaced Pages is not for promotion or advocacy of a cause, regardless of how good or noble the cause may be. Misplaced Pages also has no system of paid editors; all of us here are purely volunteers, and in fact paid editing is strongly discouraged, in accordance with Misplaced Pages's non-promotional nature.

All that said, I think you're confused; the The International Federation of Interior Architects/Designers article that you've edited is still available and open for editing. Huon has never edited that page, so you're mistaken about their actions. Can you be more specific about the issues you're experiencing? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:35, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Far from being an "abusive editor", Huon is one of Misplaced Pages's respected administrators. He was involved in discussions after the user account IFIstaff was blocked because of being an invalid user name (see WP:CORPNAME, & User talk:DorianHawkmoon). --David Biddulph (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ynejdawi. To start out, the article The International Federation of Interior Architects/Designers is live at this time. Was there another article under a different title? You seem to have a misunderstanding of what Misplaced Pages is all about. First of all, we have a behavioral guideline called assume good faith. You have accused Huon of "abuse of power" without presenting any evidence. I suggest that you either produce such evidence or withdraw that charge. You are also incorrect in your assumption that there are people who are paid by Misplaced Pages to verify information. This is a volunteer project and Misplaced Pages has no paid staffers to do that sort of work. None. Misplaced Pages does not have more lenient standards for articles about non-profit organizations than for profit-making businesses. All articles are expected to comply with our policies and guidelines, and volunteers like Huon work to bring articles into compliance. This particular article has been subjected to repeated attempts to add highly promotional content that does not comply with the neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. This material is more appropriate for the group's website or brochures than in a neutral encyclopedia article. Your comments above make it clear that you have a conflict of interest, and you should limit yourself to posting suggested changes at Talk: The International Federation of Interior Architects/Designers at this time. And please stop attacking other editors. Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 15:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

This message is... interesting. Ynejdawi, I have not reverted any of your edits nor "disabled the page". I have not edited the article in question at all, nor have I, to my knowledge, interacted with you before. What I have done is decline an unblock request for the former User:IFIstaff (see User talk:DorianHawkmoon) and rather bluntly expressed concerns about the factual accuracy of their edits. I was, in effect, acting as part of that "checks and balances" system you were asking for. If you want to "combat" me, the place to raise your concerns is WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents; given the errors of fact in your accusations about me, you may want to take a look at WP:BOOMERANG first. I'll also note that you quite openly admit that you're trying to use Misplaced Pages as a means of communication with your audience and as a tool to grow awareness. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not social media; I suggest you use Facebook or LinkedIn instead. Huon (talk) 00:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

deleted entry on Atuu FEstival

I put up an article on Atuu Festival of Arts on Misplaced Pages and it has been deletedTetteh Ahuma Bosco Ocansey (talk) 15:38, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

You have not yet created an article. You created User:Tetteh Ahuma Bosco Ocansey/sandbox as a userspace draft which you have not yet submitted for review (and which would not be accepted in its current form, so please read the advice at WP:Your first article). --David Biddulph (talk) 16:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Moose Cholak

Hi. I was wondering if Moose Cholak would be a good nomination for either Misplaced Pages:Did you know or Misplaced Pages:Unusual articles. Also is there a place on Misplaced Pages to request photos? Thanks. 72.74.202.132 (talk) 16:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

You can try your luck at Misplaced Pages:Did you know; glancing at it this could meet their requirements. As for requesting photos, place {{Image requested}} on the article's Talk page. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:28, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I tried submitting it but the DYK form doesn't work. I can't type on the page but I'm able to copy the template code. Am I supposed to create it through Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation? Apparently there is a large backlog (1,675+ articles) and it doesn't look like it'll be approved within the 7-day deadline. 72.74.202.132 (talk) 12:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Assistance in Prepping My Article for Approval

I am currently working on a non-biased article about a company that has meant a lot to those of us in the software and hardware engineering field. I always felt like they should be included in Misplaced Pages as they have established notability and they have created designs that have become jargon amongst our community. I have read some help pages on Misplaced Pages, as well as completing the tutorial (fun stuff!).

I understand that Misplaced Pages has a lot of guidelines, and I would really appreciate it if an established editor(s) could take me under their wing in collaboration with this article.

Any advice, tips, (polite) commentary would be greatly appreciated!

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:OpenBuilds

Thanks in advance! Langley242 (talk) 16:57, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Langley242. The advice you been given in the reviewer comments pretty much sums it up.

1. The references do not demonstrate that the company meets our standards for notability, which requires sustained in-depth coverage in reliable sources.
2. The entire draft reads pretty much like what you would expect from a corporate website, and not from an encyclopedia article. Things like: has been iconic, Dream it - Build it - Share it!, company's goal, help to make the world a better place are totally inappropriate for an encyclopedia article, and that's just in the lead. It gets arguably worse in the (completely uncited) history section, and much worse in the products and youtube section which are both essentially bald faced advertisements.

I realize that's not terribly uplifting advice, but unless it's fixed, you article is pretty much guaranteed not to be published. You may want to also consider reviewing our policies on conflicts of interest in the case you have an outside connection with the subject, which seems likely given the tone of the draft. TimothyJosephWood 17:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Timothyjosephwood. Thank you for your response.

I definitely would not consider my position as one with a conflict of interest, which is why I am attempting to write this article. Now, the YouTube and Products section were drafted after another technology company that has a "published" Misplaced Pages article. Those can be removed. You have given good tips (while coming across as a bit haughty for some reason, I am sorry if this is offensive it is just the general vibe I got "arguably worse" "much worse") and I will be sure to follow them! I would appreciate it if you could take a look at my revision when it is completed. Let me know! Thanks Langley242 (talk) 18:14, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

You will make the job of a future reviewer easier if you provide inline citations, see Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:43, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, David! I will work on that and read the article. Langley242 (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

My bad. Some days it seems like I look through ... just dozens of promotional articles and drafts. TimothyJosephWood 18:52, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Timothyjosephwood. No worries! I understand that you guys are just trying to keep Misplaced Pages legitimate and I bet that is hard work. Again, I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a look after I have finished revision. I am adding in-line citation, (more acceptable sources) and taking out any sections or phrasing that seems to shed a favorable light on the company versus a neutral, informative based narrative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langley242 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries Langley242. Feel free to drop a comment on my talk page when you think you're done. TimothyJosephWood 20:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Robert Muse Bass -Texas billionaire wiki

I'm trying to correct a terribly inaccuracate article on Mr. Bass. One he does not live in Woodside ( Portola Valley,CA) to be exact, it's a vacation home. Second all the Links on number of children end at a dead spot as Duke has removed her trustee profile. Additionally their son Christopher Maddox Bass is quite notable as he now oversees major giving with Duke University and most recently pledged $20 million. Why that particular editor refuses to see my links are from valid newspapers including Mr Bass FEC contributions and his Forbes profile, along with the DUKE article on his son and the large duty placed on him. To have a semblance of balance by listing only one daughter of theirs and in a somewhat tongue in cheek way, it's only fair that you add Mr. Christopher Maddox Bass achievements. I don't know what else to do, however I don't want to get into an argument with the individual it's just those links are dead and the ending of the biography is false of Misplaced Pages is proving that it can be reliable then it needs to address that glaring problem that nearly everyone knows is inaccurate. Thank you for your patience and understanding — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8081:D2A0:6D62:A379:42A0:640F (talk) 19:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Your edits to Robert Bass violate several[REDACTED] policies. posting specific address details is not allowed in policy, also the information you added to the infobox should not be in the infobox but somewhere else on the page, according to policy. A Guy into Books (talk) 20:45, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with your sources, you simply need to read WP:MOS and familiarise yourself with how information should be presented. If you don't get it right, then your edits will be reverted even if the information is valid. A Guy into Books (talk) 20:47, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

How?

How to I Become an Administrator on Misplaced Pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FireMarioCutie56 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

With a lot of work. See WP:Not now for more information. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:31, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

The basic method is.

• step 1: edit[REDACTED] for a minimum six months, but possibly several years showing a good understanding of how it works.
• step 2: ask some other editors whether they think you would make a good admin.
• step 3: if response is generally positive you could submit a RfA to be considered for the role.

You can also read about the process on WP:ADMIN. note there are lots of other things you can do the contribution that don't involve being an administrator. A Guy into Books (talk) 20:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Just Not Sure?

I'm Not Sure What to Write About on Misplaced Pages. Cause it Seems That There's a Page For Everything These Days — Preceding unsigned comment added by FireMarioCutie56 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

That is the idea. You could just improve some other articles, or join a wikiproject - Misplaced Pages:WikiProject, and see the to do list. A Guy into Books (talk) 20:35, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@FireMarioCutie56: We've admittedly plateaued in article creation.

If you do find a topic to write about, the best way to write an article is to:

• Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find that are specifically about the topic but unaffiliated with and independent of it. Things like books from university presses, or articles in newspapers.
• In a word processor (preferably one that doesn't automatically format, like Microsoft Notepad), summarize each of those sources, following each summary with a proper citation.
• Paraphrase those summaries, combining overlapping material, and distributing the citations as needed.
• Then post that in the new article space on this site.

You can also patrol Special:NewPages and look for articles that need more sources. There are other ways to help, such as checking random pages for typos or other errors (or adding more sources and expanding those articles), or checking Special:RecentChanges to help the Misplaced Pages:Counter-Vandalism Unit. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:38, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

FireMarioCutie56: only a tiny fraction of the work done on Misplaced Pages is creating new articles. Misplaced Pages currently has 5,462,562 articles, and I'll bet that 5,000,000 of them have room for improvement. Maproom (talk) 21:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

If you are going to contribute to Misplaced Pages you need to learn that in the English language we do not start each word with a capital letter, see MOS:CAPS. We would also be grateful if you would tell us about your connection with User:Bonbondash1234. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

suggestion for adding different political affiliations to infoboxes for politicians

I've been adding and editing infoboxes for several 19th century Virginia politicians in the past year, in part because I think they provide better navigation through the tumultuous politics of the era. Often these politicians changed political parties, especially if one party basically disappeared (like the Whigs and Know-Nothings before and the Readjuster Party after the American Civil War). The political infobox templates like Officeholder don't accept multiple political parties, from various attempts I've made. Last month, I edited Chester D. Hubbard (which used a U.S. Congressman template) and added the second party simply using a break--which doesn't generate an error message but also eliminates info about when the party change occurred. Last week I wanted to work on Alexander H.H. Stuart (which uses the U.S. Cabinet official template). He is one of many Virginia politicians whose bios could illustrate the changing political landscape -- if party could be associated with political office (he changed parties between stints in the Virginia General Assembly. Making such a request on the article's talk page seems unlikely to generate comments. But I can't seem to find where to make template suggestions.Jweaver28 (talk) 21:13, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Try asking at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Templates or at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals). A Guy into Books (talk) 21:15, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Also you could try getting someone to edit the infobox template by finding who wrote it and asking those editors directly on their talk pages. A Guy into Books (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Trump trips

There are some areas of the map where trump has been where a colored dot is, even though he has been there. How can I update it?23:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinnylospo (talk • contribs)

Cyclone trixie is not responsible for 71 deaths.

On the Australian Cyclone page:- it states, " Cyclone Trixie killed 71 people is recorded ! It wasn't it, it was actually CYCLONE TRACY over Darwin on Christmas Eve in 1974, to be correct ! " just, thought ya would be interested in correcting a misprint of the details, eh ... and beers & cheers for the read 🍻🍻🍻 and i give it the 👍👍👍 up, otherwise to ya ! 😉 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:865F:CE00:8C5:4BEA:17FB:866D (talk) 23:38, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. There isn't a page Australian Cyclone. The 71 deaths are attributed to Tracy in Cyclone Tracy and 1974–75 Australian region cyclone season. Which article are you talking about? --David Biddulph (talk) 23:52, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

How to edit sub-titles & background pictures that appear in Misplaced Pages app

Hello,

I'm wondering how to edit the sub-titles that appear in the Misplaced Pages app. Some articles have short, sensible ones like "Aspect of history" while others have ludicrously long sub-titles that are taken nearly verbatim from part of the lead. Others have no sub-title at all. I cannot find them in the article text anywhere.

I also have a related question, which is how to add an image that will appear in the background when a page is searched on the app. Articles with an image in the infobox show that image, and some articles seem to show an image from the box for their series, but some show no image at all.

Hopefully this makes sense. Thanks! Gazelle55 (talk) 23:49, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Could you give us a link to an example? You may perhaps find the troublesome text in Wikidata. Unfortunately there are more and more instances of pages in the English Misplaced Pages being garbled by information from Wikidata. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:57, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Gazelle55: See Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Editing#How do I edit mobile subtitles? and mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

How can we get "Legendary Myths Web Series" entry up and not be rejected again?

Hi.

Curb Safe Charmer said: This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Misplaced Pages requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of websites and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Misplaced Pages:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Misplaced Pages at this time.

I have seen much less notability pages on here that have been accepted for inclusion and just need to figure out specifically the types of links you are asking for. They may not exist and we need to figure out a way to get this up.

Thanks for all your help on this.

Cheers, Dan Treaty6Prod (talk) 00:25, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The notice at the top of your draft and the notices on your user page include many words in blue indicating that they are wikilinks to pages with more detailed advice. When you have read them, if there is something specific that you don't understand, please feel free to ask further questions. You may have encountered existing iarticles which don't belong here, as they may not have been properly scrutinised when they were written. The existence of unsuitable articles is not a reason for creating more of the same, see WP:Other stuff exists. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:35, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Treaty6Prod: Please point out those other pages so I can delete them. You need to cite some professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources which are specifically about Legendary Myths Web Series but still independent of and unaffiliated with it. Things like newspaper articles. That's what determines notability. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:38, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Treaty6Prod: (edit conflict) Hello and welcome. I would ask you if your username is that of an organization; if so you need to change it as the Username policy does not permit such usernames. A name in the format of "YourName of Treaty6Prod" would be acceptable; please click on WP:CHU for instructions on changing your name. If you are associated with this series, please read the conflict of interest policy (click WP:COI to access) as well as the paid editing policy(WP:PAID).

Regarding the page, it will need independent reliable sources indicating how the web series is meets notability guidelines (WP:WEB). It is true that there may be other similar pages, as Misplaced Pages is a volunteer effort; other things exist. Each page is judged on its own merits. If you have further questions, please ask. 331dot (talk) 00:40, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Treaty6Prod. I noticed by reading your draft that this web series has not yet premiered. Such media productions most commonly become notable only after they are reviewed by independent media with professional editorial control. That usually happens, if at all, only after the series premieres.

There well may be articles about less notable series which have escaped scrutiny. If you mention them, then perhaps other editors will either improve them or delete them. Their existence is no argument for creating another non-compliant article.

You commented "we need to figure out a way to get this up." I am sorry, but no we don't. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and we have policies and guidelines. Other people's commercial interests are of no interest at all to Misplaced Pages editors. This draft article will be accepted only if you can show that the topic is notable, as Misplaced Pages defines that term. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Content Deleted. Not Allowed to Edit Here

New research in national archives revealed new information and images of document on a historical event related to Israel/Palestinian conflict and published on researcher's website. I added the information to the relevant Misplaced Pages page providing references and uploading the new image.

My contribution go deleted after 3 hours with the message "delete original research from unreliable source. also you are not allowed here per WP:ARBPIA3"

1. How can I prove the source is reliable so it will be accepted?

2. What is WP:ARBPIA3 exactly? https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_3

3. Why am I not allowed to edit in that article?

Thanks Tomerto69 (talk) 03:38, 29 August 2017 (UTC) Tomerto69 (talk) 03:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tomerto69.

1. The David Collier website is a one man operation. He may be a wonderful person with interesting things to say, but such a website will never be accepted as a reliable source on Misplaced Pages for factual statements. It can be used only to cite Collier's opinions in cases where his personal opinion is of encyclopedic value. The Reliable sources noticeboard is the place to determine whether or not a given source is acceptable.

2. WP:ARBPIA3 is one in a series of rulings by Misplaced Pages's Arbitration Committee concerning editor behavior regarding the Arab-Israel conflict. Unsurprisingly, that has been the source of great conflict on Misplaced Pages as well. The Arbitration Committee is our highest body for resolving such conflicts.

3. According to ARBPIA3, "All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict." Since you are far short of 500 edits and your account is only a couple of days old, you are not currently allowed to edit articles or other pages related to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

I suggest that you spend a month or more making 500 or more productive edits to articles concerning much less contentious topics. Also, seriously study our policies and guidelines. You will then be much better prepared to participate in developing consensus for changes to articles about the Arab-Israeli conflict. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:14, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Tomerto69, these restrictions are here to serve to both protect the encyclopedia and to protect you. In highly contentious areas such as (but not limited to) The Arab/Israeli struggles, the "Troubles" (the catholic protestant struggle in N. Ireland), and American politics, tensions are always high and noobie screw-ups simply will not be tolerated. Therefore, to avoid getting yourself blocked as well as to protect difficult topics from unneeded disruptions, it was decided that these certain topics (and others) would be restricted to editors with at least some experience. John from Idegon (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

can I change my username?

Can I change my username? My name is misspelled. Rudra Protap Chackraborty (talk) 03:49, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rudra Protap Chackraborty. Please read Changing your username for complete instructions. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Trump trips

For the map where the entire state is colored in, Arizona isnt colored in for two visits. Is there a way to change this?Vinnylospo (talk) 04:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Vinnylospo. Please mention specific articles by their exact name. We have no article called Trump trips and I am reasonably sure that you mean List of presidential trips made by Donald Trump. Arizona is now colored in. The proper place to discuss specific changes to this article is Talk:List of presidential trips made by Donald Trump. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Vinnylospo: He visited two Arizona cities on the same day without leaving the state. I agree with commons:File:Domestic trips made by Donald Trump in 2017.svg that this should only be counted as one visit to Arizona. The map can only be updated by making a new image offline and uploading it as a new version of the file. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Writing how I developed a new area of law which is now used all over the UK.

Hi

Re Writing how I developed a new area of law which is now used all over the UK.

I'm trying to write an article - Business and commercial lasting powers of attorney - setting out how I developed this area of law, where it came from and why so many UK solicitors now use it. It's a brief historical account of how I arrived at business lasting powers of attorney. I'm a solicitor and researcher and author of the Law Society's textbook on Lasting Powers of Attorney. The first time I wrote it I got some helpful comments, then it got deleted without helpful comments. Suggestions please.

Craig Ward, Baron of Lundie.

CEdward1 (talk) 06:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

This is not the place to write about yourself, CEdward1. An encyclopedia is made up of information on a given subject, paraphrased and summarized, that is available in reliable sources, totally independent of the subject. It isn't the place to publish your original research. If no one other than yourself has written in detail about your work, in reliable sources totally independent of yourself, your work cannot be covered here. If your work has been covered in multiple sources, almost anyone would be better suited to write an encyclopedia article about it than you. John from Idegon (talk) 06:36, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi CEdward1 and welcome to the Teahouse. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia, and so is not the place to publicise a book or how someone came to write it. Your book is already used as a reference in Lasting power of attorney, and is obviously a respected source, but we would only have an article about it if the book itself has been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources. I haven't investigated whether or not this is the case. Dbfirs 06:41, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

For proficient markup code users - Link grouping. Is this correct and is there a related guideline/example?

Rather than remove an over-referenced statement in an article to remove a citekill tag, I have used some markup to add a group of citations in the following manner on the page Rocky Marciano. I've seen this type of link "bundling" used on some other pages and attempted to replicate the effect, in an area where the number of citations seemed valid to justify the magnitude of the statement. The code looks like this

<!--Hall of fame/Greatest Boxer Lists as grouped ref -->
<ref>
* ] & ] 
* 
* James B. Roberts & Alexander G.Skutt 
* The ] Archive 
* Russell Sullivan 
* International Boxing Research Organizaion 
* International Boxing Hall Of Fame , Rocky Marciano
</ref> His ]-to-win percentage of 87.75 remains one of the highest in heavyweight boxing history.
<!--End of grouped hall of fame refs-->

Edaham (talk) 07:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Edaham: I have seen that done in multiple places. As a way to avoid citation overkill, it does make the article text read better while still fulfilling the requirement for references. Whether it is "correct" or not might have to be discussed formally at an RfC. As I understand it, "correct" would be to select the two (maybe three) best references and drop the remainder. — jmcgnh 07:31, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: I am wondering if it might cause link rot issues as the links are overlooked by URL-auto-formatting tools like reFill etc. Can the cite web template be used within this style of formatting... let's see. Edaham (talk) 07:41, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

<!-- citeweb template used in a link bundle test -->
<ref>
*{{cite web |url=http://www.indiapost.gov.in/Pdf/Customs/List_of_Psychotropic_Substances.pdf |title=List of psychotropic substances under international control |publisher=International Narcotics Control Board |format=PDF |access-date=25 August 2017}}
*{{cite web |url=http://www.example.org/ |title=Honi soit qui mal y pense |last=Joliet |first=François |date=30 April 2005 |access-date=25 August 2017 |language=French |trans-title=Shame on those who think evil of it}}
</ref> 
<!--End test-->

Answer is yes - it can. Would the second example be preferable? Edaham (talk) 07:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

There's absolutely no reason why you can't use a series of {{cite web}} or whichever citation templates you like in this context. As for reFill, we'll have to see what results you get from your experiment. I suspect it will work. And, yes, I prefer to see citation templates over all other allowed forms of referencing. — jmcgnh 07:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your confirmation. Have a great day! Edaham (talk) 07:49, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Creating a Misplaced Pages page

Dear Misplaced Pages editors,

I am an employee of Gelvenor Textiles (www.gelvenor.co.za), I wish to submit information to Misplaced Pages about our international company and would like assistance in creating a Misplaced Pages page for Gelvenor Textiles, however since I am an employee I feel that it would be biased if I had to write the article. Therefore I would like to request assistance from the Misplaced Pages editors to help in creating the page. I will submit the information and the reference links in order to create a Misplaced Pages page for Gelvenor Textiles.

I look forward to hearing from youCoetzee07 (talk) 07:26, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Coetzee07: Hello and welcome. You are correct that it would be problematic for you to create an article about your own company; this is what Misplaced Pages calls a conflict of interest, which I would ask you to read about by clicking WP:COI. As you are an employee, you will also need to read WP:PAID and comply with the policy there before further edits.

Please note that Misplaced Pages is not a website meant to just list and describe companies; as an encyclopedia, Misplaced Pages is more selective about its content. Article subjects need to be shown with independent reliable sources to meet the relevant notability guidelines, in this case WP:ORG(click those links to review). Misplaced Pages is not interested in what a company or person says about themselves, but on what third parties state about it. If you have independent reliable sources that show how your company is notable, and truly believe you can write about it in a neutral point of view(which would be uncommon, but possible), you could create a page by visiting Articles for Creation to submit a draft for an independent review. That's likely the only way you would be permitted to edit about your own company; it is really best to allow others to write about it. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Also note that having a Misplaced Pages article about your company is not necessarily a good thing(that link is about people, but the principle is the same). Anyone can edit the article, you cannot lock it to the text you or your company might prefer to have there, and information, good or bad, can be in the article as long as it appears in an independent reliable sources. Please keep this in mind. 331dot (talk) 11:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

For an example of a company profile article the company is NOT pleased with, see "Mannatech." David notMD (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Sources like this are the goldstandard. Find two more like that and you have a good case for creating an article. (WP:GNG) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:05, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Please, revert my edits.

Hey there, I was editing the page "Government Science College Attached High School". But suddenly all of my edits were removed by verified users. And the cause they showed is unsourced contents. But that's not true. All of my edits were real. I was a student of that school and I have a yearbook of my school. All the information I gave was from that book. And it's an official book from the school. Please take care this matter and if you need any prove I will give it to you. Radoan Sharkar (talk) 09:10, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@Radoan Sharkar: Hello and welcome. Primary sources like a school's own yearbook may be acceptable sources in some cases, such as uncontroversial information like a location or staff, but primary sources in general are not enough to sustain an article. Misplaced Pages is not interested in what an article subject says about itself, but on what others say about it. Misplaced Pages wants independent reliable sources to support article content. Looking at your edits I'm not sure things like details about the school uniform and a daily assembly(common things in many schools around the world) would merit inclusion, unless they are discussed in independent sources like newspapers or TV. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Editing infobox on page

Hello Teahouse friends,

I hope you're well. I'm trying to edit the infobox on Adam Spencer's page, to add in his new/current relationship. I feel like this has sort of worked (to an extent) in the background but doesn't seem to be translating through on the page. Am I using the incorrect field? I have tried "Partner", and also to add another line to "Spouse/s". https://en.wikipedia.org/Adam_Spencer

With many thanks SunnyBoi (talk) 09:13, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Parameters are listed at Template:Infobox presenter#Parameters; remember that parameter names are case-sensitive. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)]

Thank you David!!! You fixed it, I didn't realise about lower case, sigh! SunnyBoi SunnyBoi (talk) 12:37, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Reverting edits

The page Castello del Catajo has three edits by User:DeadRancher that seem to be pure mischief. When attempting to undo the edits I get the message "The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits; if you wish to undo the change, it must be done manually." Since I'm not comfortable doing that, is there another option?

TimeForLunch (talk) 10:51, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@TimeForLunch: Hello and welcome. If you are not comfortable doing it manually, the only other thing you could do is compare the edits in the edit history and then undo them- which may not work if the intervening edits conflict with it. In that situation you could simply post on the article talk page your concerns about the edits you see as problematic and ask a more experienced user to examine them. That said, looking at the edits I'm not clear on how exactly they are mischief. They appear to have only added information and other coding to the page. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

The user is User:Deadrancher, remembering that case is significant. There is some cause for the suspicion from the OP. None of the user's edis are sourced. Some of them, including to the article referred to here, included a link to Adalwulf Mustang and I can find no evidence of the existence of such a person. Similarly additions referring to House of Raeder-Este, of which I can again find no evidence. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Ok, thanks for the clarification. 331dot (talk) 11:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

​Hi TimeForLunch. In that case, you can do a manual revert. Very simple: go to the edit history → click on the date before the person's post → click edit → leave a rich edit summary as to why you're reverting → click save. The undo function is just an easy but highly limited method of the far more powerful manual revert that every user has at their disposal. On the other hand, if there are edits after the user whose edits you are reverting, what you can do is: open up two tabs. In the second tab, look at the diff of just the edits that were added after the ones you want to revert. Then, upon reverting (through the second tab), before the last step, copy and paste the good changes from the diff in the other tab. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:48, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you all for the suggestions. Next time around I'll know what to do. TimeForLunch

As it was, the only subsequent edit was a minor edit by a bot, fixing formatting problems associated with the suspect edits in question, so it made sense just to go back to where it was before Deadrancher's edits. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Using primary source to cite a demonstrable fact

I'm working on an edit to include the statement "On August 8, 2010, launched a blog detailing the progression of his investigation." Is it acceptable to link directly to the first post of his blog as a source?

Leslieinlouisville (talk) 11:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Leslieinlouisville. When you say "directly", do you mean by an embedded raw link in the text, or an inline citation? The latter is, mechanically, how we cite sources to verify content. (See also: Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:CITEHOW.)

As to propriety of citing that source, please read the policy at WP:PRIMARY and the supplementary essay at WP:PRIMARYCARE. In short, primary sources can only be used for straightforward statements of fact, and cannot be used for any evaluation, synthesis or interpretation. A date of a blog's launch, if that is confirmed by that source, is a fairly straightforward fact. So the question becomes, does that first blog post directly verify that sentence's information content? Or does it happen to be his first blog post, without detail that it is the first blog post, on the date you write in the proposed sentence, of the investigation you detail?

If the former, it would seem okay to cite, assuming including that detail fits within the encyclopedic scope of what should be included within the article. If the latter, it would be a cite that does not actually verify the content, and the sentence would be forbidden original research. Sources need to directly corroborate the information they are placed to verify. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:38, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Delete article for privacy reasons?

I'm just wondering if WP has any guidelines to delete an article for privacy reasons? For instance if a notable person which is mentioned at WP wants the deletion of the article about him or her. How can he handle this? I suppose this question came up already several times, in a time where 'privacy' is considered a very important issue. Of course privacy is and will be always important. So I'm wondering about the guidelines for this at WP. If there is existence of such WP guidelines could anybody show me this please? (ClrView (talk) 11:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@ClrView: Hello and welcome. Personal information like contact information and personal identification information(like a Social Security Number) can and should be removed, and libelous information also can and should be be removed, but if it is just a matter of the article subject not wanting an article about themselves on Misplaced Pages, I think there is little that can be done. As long as information in an article appears in a publicly available independent reliable source, it generally can be in a Misplaced Pages article. 331dot (talk) 11:31, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

ClrView, If there is personal information you should follow the directions at Misplaced Pages:Oversight to have it removed. ~ GB fan 12:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

If a no-questions-about-it WP:NOTABLE article-subject wants an article gone because of what boils down to I-don´t-like-it reasons, there´s not much to be done. If the subject is more borderline notable, WP:BIODEL can help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:50, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

ClrView because Misplaced Pages articles may never contain any information that has not already been published before, it is very difficult to argue that privacy could even be a valid reason for deleting an entire article. If someone absolutely does not ever want an article about them on Misplaced Pages, then that person must never say, do, or become involved in, anything that attracts the attention of journalists, scholars or other professional writers. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Copyrighted military logos(?)

Hey folks.

So, I've been working on and off on pages related to the Sri Lankan military, and I noticed there's quite a few pages with medals and awards and stuff that don't have images of the medal bars (things like this). When you go through the images that are up on commons and the wikipages, you find that different users have uploaded them with different licenses, some claiming own work, some claiming some version of CC, and some claiming public domain. I looked up that last bit, and I can't find anything in Sri Lankan law, at least, that releases military honours and logos into the public domain.

I've been thinking about making pages for all the medals/awards listed on the first page I linked to here, and making medal bars on my own, in essence copying the images the Sri Lankan Army, Navy and Air Force have on their official websites (see links below). What I'm confused about here is:

1. are the images on the pages down below copyrighted? I know Misplaced Pages treats simple logos as being non-copyrightable by virtue of US law, but do these fit into the definition of a 'logo'? Could I just take them straight off these pages and put them on Misplaced Pages?

2. If I do opt for making my own versions (retaining the same design and colours, obviously), what license would I file them under? Do I even have the right to make my own versions? Should the ones already up be removed for copyright violation?

3. Images of the medals themselves- I don't know anyone that's in a position to photograph all the medals the military offers, and I doubt any request to do so will be entertained by the military, although I'm sure it could be tried. But would the images of the medals pulled off these sites be eligible for fair use, seeing as the point of the medal wiki pages is to inform readers about what's essentially a very visual object/topic?

Wasn't sure where else to ask, so I thought I'd do it here.

Links:
Army medals
Air force (this page has the ribbon bars. The other two seem to only contain images of the medals themselves
Navy

- ක - (talk) 14:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Ooookay - ක -. This one is a doozy. So, logos basically fall into two categories: A) Ones that are too simple to meet the Threshold for Originality and are therefore in principle not copyright-able at all, and B) those that are used on Misplaced Pages as fair use, according to our Non-Free Content Criteria (See also Misplaced Pages:Non-free content). On the face of it, these medals are probably too complex to qualify for the first. But would almost certainly qualify for the second.

As to medals, in the case of the US government, official awards and decorations are actually used in a completely different way all together. According to US law, official works of the US government are by default in the public domain. As to whether works of the Sri Lankan government have similar rules, that's probably a better question to ask at Commons:Help Desk, since they have much more collective experience dealing with comparatively complex international copyright laws.

Finally, reproducing the work yourself doesn't actually solve any of these issues. If your personal creation is sufficiently original to qualify for its own copyright, then it probably wouldn't be recognizable. If however it is a faithful reproduction of the original, then the original copyright still applies. It's not about who made the .jpg file, it's about who originally made "the likeness" so-to-speak. A good artist can create their own .png file of Mickey Mouse, but the "likeness" of Mickey Mouse is still owned by Disney, and so would the "likeness" in that .png file.

Hopefully this helps and doesn't confuse things more than they already were. TimothyJosephWood 19:13, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Timothyjosephwood! Thanks for the reply.

The medals themselves I would admit, seem like they'd need a bit more digging vis-a-vis the Community help page. The way I understand your comment, taking pics of the medals off the websites could be justified for by fair use, but I'd have to check copyright laws just to be sure.

I do notice you didn't address the question about those little ribbon bars though. What do I do with those? They're essentially just rectangular bits of colour.

- ක - (talk) 19:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Dang you're quick - ක - No sooner had I posted this then I found Commons:Copyright rules by territory#Sri_Lanka which I probably should have looked for first... but ... I really couldn't definitively tell you what the legal speak actually means in everyday practice.

As to the ribbons, they're definitely too simple to meet the threshold of originality, and can certainly be uploaded to commons with Commons:Template:PD-shape. But on the others it's the fancy metal bits at the bottom that cause the problem, and unless you can get a better answer regarding the applicability of Sri Lanken copyright over government works, they will probably have to uploaded to Misplaced Pages under fair use. Fair use is a slam dunk, but you would have to check copyright laws in order to tell if they're definitely not under copyright at all and could therefore be uploaded to Commons instead of Misplaced Pages, so that they could be used by editors on Wikipedias in every language, and not just in English. TimothyJosephWood 19:28, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? How on earth can I sleep soundly knowing there's complex copyright issues being discussed this very moment on Misplaced Pages?

I'll have a look through that copyright page. I knew the exception on legislative works, but I wonder if that covers military insignia too. Brb starting course in copyright law.

And thanks for letting me know about the ability to upload directly to Misplaced Pages. I was under the impression one always had to upload to commons then link to here?

Just one more thing- these ribbons are used on a metric buttload of pages. Do I have the ability to "update" the existing image pages to new, more consistently designed ribbons, or do I have to go through every page that uses these ribbons and manually link the new images in?

Thanks again for all this. - ක - (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

- ක -: Brb starting course in copyright law. Yeeeeeaaahhh... That's basically where this eventually ends up. Can't say you weren't warned.

The main difference between Misplaced Pages (specifically en.wiki) and Commons is that the former accepts fair use, and the latter does not. But the things on en.wiki can only be used on en.wiki (and would need to be re-uploaded on fr.wiki, de.wiki, etc.), while the things on Commons can be used everywhere.

As to the replacement, that may be solve-able using auto wiki browser and you may have to ask there to get a definitive answer (or consider logging on to their IRC channel). Also that depends on what you mean by "metric buttload". On Misplaced Pages, this usually means hundreds or thousands of pages, and probably means that it's a better job for a bot (see Misplaced Pages:Bot requests). Otherwise, something like AWD or manual editing can usually suffice, even if it's an inconvenience. TimothyJosephWood 19:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Adding additional distinguishing titles to article name

I would like to know whether it is common and recommended to add additional distinguishing titles to article names. In other words, I am working on Aaron Wolf (Director, and because of his acting credits, I have considered adding 'actor' to his Misplaced Pages article name. Is this recommended and can article names be adjusted? Thanks in advance for your help. Bailey Rae (talk) 18:12, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Bailey Rae. The relevant guidance is at WP:NCPDAB, although it doesn't precisely address your question. However, one of the guiding principles for disambiguation is that it should usually be no more specific than is necessary to specify one topic as distinct from another. So, for example, Aaron Wolf (director, writer, actor, producer, amateur model train enthusiast) should probably not be used unless there is an Aaron Wolf (director, writer, actor, producer) who happens to not be an amateur model train enthusiast, and the extra qualifier is necessary to distinguish the two. Even then, article titles usually default to date of birth/death when a single parenthetical disambiguation is not sufficient.

Overall, it's probably best to just go with whatever the person is best known for. After all, one of the main reasons for disambiguation is that the software (also "the internet") requires that each page be located at a unique title.

Other than that, there are a few other issues with the article. The image is... suspiciously high quality, and I'm very surprised that it's not available on the internet already. But I can't at this point actually demonstrate that it's a copyright violation. The article currently contains a number of external links in the body, which are not allowed, and need to be either converted into refs where appropriate (e.g., IMDB is not a reliable source and should not be converted into a reference), or they should be removed. The language in the article also needs to be toned down. For example, industry jargon like "award-winning" and "Academy Awards-nominee" should basically never appear in any article ever. TimothyJosephWood 19:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

TimothyJosephWood this is all extremely helpful. Thank you! Bailey Rae (talk) 19:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Spelling and grammar improvements

Is there a project, as such, which focuses on global correction of incorrect spelling or poor grammar? For example, sitewide correction of "recieve" to "receive". I'd be interested in helping out because there are undoubtedly common mistakes which frequently recur. Thanks. CravinChillies 18:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, CravinChillies, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is the Misplaced Pages:Typo Team, which does exactly what you are interested in. Poor grammar probably relates more to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Right. Thank you, Finnusertop. All the best. CravinChillies 19:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

How do I create a new page of info.

I am the author of Breakup Rehab and I want to submit info about it. To create a new page. RebekahMFreedom (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

@RebekahMFreedom: Hello and welcome. It is strongly advised that you not create a page about something you are associated with. You would have what Misplaced Pages calls a conflict of interest(click on WP:COI to learn more about it). This means that it would be difficult for you to have a neutral point of view about your book. Misplaced Pages is not a forum for publicizing a book(see WP:PROMO), but is an encyclopedia where article subjects must be shown with independent reliable sources to be notable. Misplaced Pages is not interested in what an article subject(or its author) says about itself, but what others say about it. If you truly believe that you can do that, you may visit Articles for Creation to draft an article which can be reviewed before it is posted. That's likely the only way you would be permitted to write about your own book. It's usually best to let others write about such a subject, which usually is an indication it has the required notability.

Before even attempting to do that, however, you should read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 19:03, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Review My Draft?

I am currently working on a non-biased article about a company that has meant a lot to those of us in the software and hardware engineering field. I always felt like they should be included in Misplaced Pages as they have established notability and they have created designs that have become jargon amongst our community.

I previously asked for some guidance regarding my article and have received a lot of (much appreciated) guidance. My article submission was declined recently, however, the reviewer left me a nice comment about how I should add in some more references for the facts being stated in the article. I found around 5-7 additional independent, reputable sources and have included some as in-line citation and some simply as references because while they are valid sources about the notability of the subject of my article, I am afraid of producing "too much" in-line citation and making the page look cluttered and confusing.

I understand that Misplaced Pages has a lot of guidelines, and I would really appreciate it if an established editor(s) could offer up any additional advice, tips, (polite) commentary etc. now that I have updated my draft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:OpenBuilds

Thanks in advance! Langley242 (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Langley242. You still need refs for the two bottom sections of the article, as it has none and all content has to be sourced. If you have 5 or 7 more refs, don't worry about it looking cluttered; it won't. Just go ahead and add them, which will help prove the company is notable. White Arabian Filly 21:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Langley242. You say you are working on a "non-biased article". Promotional language and content is a form of bias. Sure, intent plays a role—a person whose intent is to promote is virtually certain to write promotionally. Nevertheless, in my view the draft reads like an advertisement, regardless of your intent. Is OpenBuilds "responsible for building solutions such as the OpenRail Linear Rail..." or did it, say, "manufacture a product called OpenRail Linear Rail..."? Have its "parts and solutions" really been "implemented by companies such as Google"? Are you trying to say that Google has purchased some parts from it? Used its systems in X Ynd Z? Something else? Google is a major customer? I'm not sure this detail belongs at all, but the way it's said is unnatural marketing speak. When coupled with its vagueness, it leaves me with possibly unwarranted questioning of whether this is puffery. If, for example, the juggernaut that is Google hired the company to design some item to house a Google product in a real financial relationship, or used its products for the machines on one of its assembly plants or... some other non-trivial matter, that would probably warrant mention in that company's article. If Google used the product in some minor way, mentioning that in any way in an article on the company as Google implementing its products would be misleading, falsely grandiose... I have no idea which it is from the detail in the article. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:42, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

The uses of "such as" and "solution" in the draft suggest that it was written by a PR person who doesn't know what the company produces, but has the duty of promoting it. Maproom (talk) 08:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful comments White Arabian Filly and Fuhghettaboutit. I read about those companies on the company website, but you are right that it does need to be sourced and relevant or else not included at all. Also, Maproom I have to say that I am not sure what a "PR" person for a company does, let alone be one. What is their salary like? Maybe I can look into it. ;) In all seriousness, I am simply trying to write an informative, non-biased page about an interesting topic.

References

How do you add a source to a reference list? In my case I have a YouTube video to add as a source.Thissecretperson (talk) 01:25, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thissecretperson. The first step is to determine whether or not the YouTube video is a reliable source, and whether or not it is a copyright violation. A very large percentage of YouTube videos are not acceptable as sources on Misplaced Pages, although a few are. An example of a reliable YouTube source is a video report on the official YouTube channel of an established news outlet with professional editorial control and a good reputation for accuracy. If the video is reliable and does not violate copyright, then read Referencing for beginners for instructions on how to format the reference. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

persons

From where can we find any person? And can we send them a friend request??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanan khalid (talk • contribs) 09:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Hanan khalid: Hello and welcome. I assume that you are asking about Misplaced Pages; please understand that Misplaced Pages is not social media where users send friend requests to each other. We are all here to work on this encyclopedia. Social media activities should take place on actual social media websites, like Facebook. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Captain Ravee, wiki page submission issue

Hi, I am trying hard to create a page on[REDACTED] for a retired army man who is now a successful entrepreneur in security service sector. He is an expert in security and have appeared in various talk shows on television. Please help me in publishing this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Captain_Ravee.Devansh0043 (talk) 10:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. In the messages in the feedback boxes on your draft, and on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to detailed advice. When you've read that advice, please ask if you have specific questions. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Devansh0043: if this draft is ever to be accepted as an article, it will need to establish that Ravee is notable, by citing several reliable independent published sources that discuss him. At present it cites no sources at all. It does list some references, but most of them are not independent, and the others don't mention him. Unless you can find some acceptable references, time spent on this draft is likely to be wasted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maproom (talk • contribs) 12:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Alessandro Safina

Someone added content and a "Personal Life" section to the article. I wanted to rename the link "Marriage, Divorce and Sons" because it's a very long link. I've tried the suggestions in the on how to do this, it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas? It's the very long link (ref 12)from a Romanian magazine. Thanks for your help! GrammerCracker96 (talk) 12:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrammerCracker96 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

The article is Alessandro Safina, the title of the article cited is "Tenorul italian Alessandro Safina şi-a botezat zilele trecute, la Târgovişte, copilul pe care îl are cu o româncă". Claiming that it's called "Marriage, Divorce and Sons" would be misleading. Shortening it would probably be acceptable, but I don't know enough Romanian to do that competently. Maproom (talk) 12:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Maproom thank you,the added content is solely about Safina's first marriage, divorce and sons. The article does translate into English. The link looks messy, as does ref 13. I added 13 today to give more creedance to 12. I would like suggestions if, and how I should clean these links up. It might be worth noting that the entire section, added with the 12 ref, was an anonymous post. Then again, it might not be. GrammerCracker96 (talk) 13:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

GrammerCracker96, I would say that reference 12 is actually formatted much more closely to the ideal standard than any of the other references used in the article. The others lack key details (dates, publishers, etc.). Please see Help:Referencing for beginners for guidance. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:23, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry, I had previously been directed to a Wiki link that only showed me how to rename the long links. I appreciate the info! GrammerCracker96 (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

If by name you mean the title, then you should use the title that appears on the source, GrammerCracker96, not attempt to shorten it. Perhaps I have misunderstood what you mean by "name", though. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:47, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

The information you directed me to is exactly what I need. Thank you again. I am currently editing my previous reference mistakes. GrammerCracker96 (talk) 19:04, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Advice about draft page

My page has been rejected three times, although I think I've met the requirements to show notability. All links and cited material are external to the subject, even though some of the material on those external pages is interview material with the subject.

The subject is me, which I understand is discouraged, but not forbidden. I believe I've met the criteria for ensuring that the page is reliable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Brent_van_Staalduinen

Brentvans (talk) 13:23, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. One thing which would make life easier for any future reviewer would be if you were to expand the bare URLs to make it more obvious who has published the documents which you are citing as references. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:28, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

To fill in the urls, you can use either the Misplaced Pages:Citation templates or try Misplaced Pages:ReFill. White Arabian Filly 15:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

What requirements are needed to be able to new page patrol

I feel like helping out there would broaden my horizons as far as article editing goes, but I also know I'm not a particularly experienced editor. Can I help there or will I need to edit more until I become more experienced? LampGenie01 (talk) 15:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey LampGenie01. While volunteers are always needed at NPP, reviewing new pages often involves knowing how to apply a sometimes very complex set of policies and guidelines, and since you have only created one article so far, it seems that you probably should try to get some more experience before applying. But doing things like participating in articles for deletion discussion, and continuing to make articles that stick around for a long time are exactly the types of things you should be doing to get that type of experience. You're off to a good start, just probably need to keep going for a little while longer. TimothyJosephWood 16:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood: Thank you for your response. Apart from deletion discussions and article creation, is there anything else I can do to get experience? LampGenie01 (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey LampGenie01. Sorry, I don't think your ping went through. You can always hang out at Special:RecentChanges, and try to spot new articles as they're made and work toward improving them. Besides that, it doesn't look like you've yet reached the 500 edit limit required to get the right in the first place though, and that's really a pretty bare minimum standard. So I guess the short and sweet of it is to just keep doing what you're doing and help us make the encyclopedia better. That's what NPP and everything else is for anyway. TimothyJosephWood 19:07, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Capturing knowledge of an old algorithm

I've been involved in computing since about 1969. There's an old manual algorithm for the conversion between (it works in both directions) octal and decimal and is quite useful. It's on a par with the Double Dabble algorithm used to convert binary to BCD (which is documented on Misplaced Pages.) But so far, I think I'm the only living retainer of this algorithm and I think it's worth capturing.

The question I have is whether or not it is appropriate to capture it here.

As I understand things here, there must very solid references for anything added. Unfortunately, I've never seen a single paper on the topic and I seem to be the only person who knows about it and how it works.

An alternative, I suppose, would be to find a publication where this algorithm might be of interest. But given the changes in the computing industry, this is more like capturing arcane but interesting knowledge that has far less utility today. And I suspect that there aren't very many publications that would find it interesting for their readership. This is more about archiving knowledge for historical reasons than much else, today.

Would it be appropriate to consider preparing a detailed page on the topic here?

PS: The short-hand synopsis (I'd consider greatly expanding the discussion on a real page) is this:

CONVERSION OF DECIMAL TO OCTAL

 (0) Prefix the number with "0."  Be sure to include
     the radix point.  It's an important marker.

 (1) Double the value to the left side of the radix,
     using octal rules, move the radix point one digit
     rightward, and then place this doubled value
     underneath the current value so that the radix
     points align.

 (2) If the moved radix point crosses over a digit
     that is 8 or 9, convert it to 0 or 1 and add
     the carry to the next leftward digit of the
     current value.

 (3) Add octally those digits to the left of the radix
     and simply drop down those digits to the right,
     without modification.

 (4) If digits remain to the right of the radix, goto 1.

CONVERSION OF OCTAL TO DECIMAL

 (0) Prefix the number with "0."  Be sure to include
     the radix point.  It's an important marker.

 (1) Double the value to the left side of the radix,
     using decimal rules, move the radix point one digit
     rightward, and then place this doubled value
     underneath the current value so that the radix
     points align.

 (2) Subtract decimally those digits to the left of
     the radix and simply drop down those digits to
     the right, without modification.

 (3) If digits remain to the right of the radix, goto 1.

For example,

0.4 9 1 8        decimal value
 +0
---------
  4.9 1 8
 +1 0
 --------
  6 1.1 8
 +1 4 2
 --------
  7 5 3.8
 +1 7 2 6
 --------
1 1 4 6 6.       octal value

Let's convert it back:

0.1 1 4 6 6      octal value
 -0
-----------
  1.1 4 6 6
 -  2
 ----------
    9.4 6 6
 -  1 8
 ----------
    7 6.6 6
 -  1 5 2
 ----------
    6 1 4.6
 -  1 2 2 8
 ----------
    4 9 1 8.     decimal value

There's much more to write about it. But that provides enough detail that I think good opinion can be offered about whether or not the idea is appropriate for a page on Misplaced Pages.

Thanks for your time. Jondkir (talk) 18:37, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Jondkir. There's a couple of issues here. First, Misplaced Pages doesn't cover things that could be considered a how to guide. So for example we have articles on Paint by number and Drywall as things in themselves, but we don't have articles on how to paint by numbers or how to install or replace drywall.

Second, although experts are always welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages within their fields, and they can and do often make huge differences in the quality of our coverage of certain (especially esoteric) topics, experts still have to follow the same rules as everyone else, namely that content on Misplaced Pages has to be cited to reliable published sources, and not based on the original research of editors themselves. If you can find sources that meet our guidelines for reliability and demonstrate that the subject meets our standards for notability, then you are more than welcome to create an article on it. But if those types of sources can't be found, and those types of standards met, then I'm afraid it is probably not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. TimothyJosephWood 19:01, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I think you've probably confirmed my own impressions. I suppose the reason I wanted to ask is because this algorithm is really about the same thing (my perspective) as the Double Dabble algorithm, which does have a Misplaced Pages page dedicated to it. (And about as useful, these days.) The only difference I can see is that Double Dabble has other references, while the algorithm I mentioned does not (so far as I'm aware, today.) But I also did do some reading here before posting and became very much aware of the need for solid references before creating an article. So this left me in a "chicken-egg" question, so to speak. Which I gather is resolved by the simple point you make, which are the standards regarding published sources and references and that original research isn't to be posted here, either. I think that's a good answer. I just needed to hear it. Thanks.Jondkir (talk) 19:11, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries Jondkir. Incidentally, you may want to check out Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Computer science. Seems like a group of folks you'd fit right in with, and certainly no shortage of work to be done. TimothyJosephWood 19:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm active in embedded programming related to measurement instrumentation (I'm a physicist-turned-engineer specializing in optical design and non-contact temperature measurement: pyrometry and phosphor thermometry; and have had some of my instruments used spanning from the Space Shuttle to brain research) and I've taught undergrad 2nd and 3rd year courses of CS at the largest 4yr university in my state. I'm not sure how I'd contribute (partly because of the steep learning curve I perceive and probably cannot afford) but I will take a look and I do appreciate the link.Jondkir (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Jondkir. I encourage you to consider contributing to Misplaced Pages. The learning curve is not really that steep as long as you fully understand and humbly internalize that the role of a Misplaced Pages editor is to neutrally summarize what the best previously published reliable sources say about a topic. As for the octal to decimal conversion algorithm that you remember from the "old days", perhaps the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing might be a good place for you to submit an article about that topic. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if Wikiversity might be an appropriate place for your algorithm. I haven't checked their rules and policies. Dbfirs 07:13, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Need external opinions to help move a dispute forward

Hello,

Looking for help with finding editors willing to look at a little dispute we are having over at Talk:Bvckup_2 page.

The situation is pretty basic: an editor made several edits, some of which were factually incorrect. Attempts to discuss these changes with the editor were without success. Most recent replies from the editor showed no desire to listen to the arguments nor to engage in a discussion. See the tail of the exchange starting with my reply from 08:34, 21 August 2017 (UTC).

I am thinking that we need someone else to look at the situation and weigh in. However I have no idea as to where to solicit this sort of help except for asking here. Hence this post.

Any guidance or help is much appreciated.

Thanks,
HelloVader (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey HelloVader. See Misplaced Pages:Dispute Resolution. TimothyJosephWood 19:29, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Reading through Misplaced Pages:Third_opinion now... 46.126.209.18 (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Approval time

Hi

I have created a new page and I'd like to know how long it usually takes for edits or creations to go live? This is my first submission on WIKI so be gentle.

Thanks Andy Billquaymag (talk) 20:06, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Billquaymag, and welcome to the Teahouse. The article you created, 2017–18 South Shields F.C. season, is already "live". If you mean you want to know when it will show up in search engine results, it was decided earlier this year that new articles would have the <noindex> tag put on them for the first 90 days after they were created. I hope this answers your question; either way, you're welcome to return to the Teahouse anytime with further questions. —GrammarFascist _contribs 20:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

gender symbols

https://en.wikipedia.org/Gender_symbol

Re: Unicode Name: "Male and female sign" - This is a representation of male and female inclusiveness. Not just Transgender, Trnassexual, Hermaphrodite. I've added "Female and Male" to the meaning previously and it was reverted. Why is that?

For context, Trans is typically represented by the Male with stroke sign. Which should also include "transsexual, hermaphrodite" under the meaning table which it is now.

Thank you.

Eyezure (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Eyezure. It looks like your edit was reverted because you did not include sources for where the information comes from. TimothyJosephWood 20:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Creating a new page for a music album

I have recently been editing and updating information for several albums in a Discography....see Matthews Southern Comfort (album) as one of them . How do I create a new page for other albums in that discography that don't currently exist using the same format as the existing one? Is there a template I can go to in order to create one....they all seem to follow the same format so I guess there is, but how do I find it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronaldo1948 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC) (Moved to bottom of the page as it was skipped over and left unanswered.) —GrammarFascist _contribs 20:42, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Any template being used will be in the source text of the article, simply use the article as a template. A Guy into Books (talk) 21:41, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

How to download the image from other Wikipedias?

How to download the image from other Wikipedias?

Ewo-bolac (talk) 20:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC) (added section header) —GrammarFascist _contribs 21:03, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ewo-bolac, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean other-language Wikipedias, such as es.wikipedia.org or zh.wikipedia.org, you can download images the same way as you would download images from the English Misplaced Pages: click on the image to bring up its description page, then select the size image you want, then save the image to your computer using ctrl-s or cmd-s, or by right-clicking and selecting save image (sorry, I don't know what the equivalent is on a Mac). If you're using a mobile device I'm afraid my advice won't help you either. In any case be sure to attribute the image wherever you use it — that's a condition of the license of most images on Wikipedias, and it's still polite to attribute images even if they're in the public domain. Hopefully I have answered your question; either way, feel free to return to the Teahouse with any further questions you may have. —GrammarFascist _contribs 03:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Which license is recommended for this download? Ewo-bolac (talk) 07:07, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Need a bot replacement

I have a page at WikiProject Cornwall which is supposed to update automatically but has not done so since 2010. To be more precise, the page was updated by a bot called Wolterbot, which is no longer active. Is there a viable alternative? and if so could someone point out how to set it up. A Guy into Books (talk) 21:05, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Aguyintobooks: Accoring to User:WolterBot, it appears that User:CleanupWorklistBot is the replacement. RudolfRed (talk) 22:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Commons use?

I wanted to know how to add an image found in Wiki Commons to an article. Thank you. GrammerCracker96 (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@GrammerCracker96: Use double brackets with File: followed by the file name. For example: ]. See WP:Image for guidelines on how and where to use images, along with how to specify parameters for thinks like a caption and size. RudolfRed (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi GrammerCracker96. The standard way to place an image (assuming you are not using an infobox) is to add: ] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:50, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

What's the most common mistake of newbies (esp. those from cultural heritage institutions)?

I have a sense of what the answer is to this, I'd be curious what Teahouse editors think based on their encounters with newbies in Teahouse. Thanks for your reply! Monikasj (talk) 01:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Monikasj,and welcome to the Teahouse. I would call it a tie between jumping straight into creating a new article without any previous editing experience, and failing to find multiple independent, reliable sources for the topic of their new article as the first step in article creation — as opposed to something they think they'll get to eventually. Thank you for an interesting question; I'm also interested to see what other Teahouse volunteers have to say. —GrammarFascist _contribs 03:09, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Monikasj. In a nutshell, it is the failure of many new editors to understand that an acceptable Misplaced Pages article neutrally summarizes what the range of reliable, independent sources say about a topic. New editors commonly try to insert their own personal knowledge and opinions into articles, along with extensive material written by the person or group that is the topic of the article. They have a hard time comprehending the emphasis that experienced editors place on truly independent sources. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:01, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I believe it is the assumption that the best, or only, way to contribute to Misplaced Pages is to create a new article. Attempting this while lacking the necessary skills then leads to other problems. See, for example, the three five threads below this one. Maproom (talk) 07:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey there Teahousers GrammarFascist, Cullen328 and Maproom -- thanks for the quick responses! I appreciate these. And yep, it's right about what I thought it would be. Do let me know if there's anything else you think of. Full disclosure, I'm facilitating a Misplaced Pages + Libraries online training program that starts Sept. 13. So, in the course, we'll be carefully scaffolding the way that the participants (who are library staff interested in learning to edit/do outreach with Misplaced Pages) engage. Down the line (in six weeks-ish), I'd like to let them know that Teahouse will be a place they can go to ask questions after the course. What's the best way that I can share this with Teahouse editors -- that around 250+ new editors will be onboarding in the next three months? Monikasj (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Monikasj, glad to hear that you're running a training. The best place for messages about the Teahouse itself would be the page Misplaced Pages talk:Teahouse, a "behind the scenes" page of sorts for discussion about the Teahouse as a page. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 17:36, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Howicus -- will do. Monikasj (talk) 17:50, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Re-Editing/ One on One help

Hello I'm new on wikipedia. I submitted my first contribution, I read all the guidelines, as expected, my contribution was deleted, what stinks is that I received the generic welcome email, but nothing that says what I did wrong, etc. Is there anyone or anything that can help me write it the way it should be? Specifics? I'm sure many people have asked this question. I truly appreciate any help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.52.121.150 (talk) 02:40, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous editor at IP address 71.52.121.150, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your question above is the only edit you have made from this IP address; please either log in and post again, or, if you were editing from a different IP address, tell us the exact name of the article so we can look up why it was deleted. We hope to see you soon! —GrammarFascist _contribs 03:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Re-Editing / One on One

Hello I'm new on wikipedia. I submitted my first contribution, I read all the guidelines, as expected, my contribution was deleted, what stinks is that I received the generic welcome email, but nothing that says what I did wrong, etc. Is there anyone or anything that can help me write it the way it should be? Specifics? I'm sure many people have asked this question. I truly appreciate any help! (Lakysha May (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2017 (UTC))

Welcome to the Teahouse. I can find no evidence as to which of your contributions was deleted. Could you please give us a wikilink to it? If you are after specific advice regarding writing a new article, the best place is at WP:Your first article, which is one of the links from the generic welcome message which you received. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Another piece of specific advice is to read about external links. In Joivan Jiménez you had included 4 inline external links. Each of them was already cited and linked as a reference, which is the right way to do it, and I have removed the misplaced external links. I also removed 2 inappropriate instances of bold formatting, see MOS:BOLD. I have tagged the article as an orphan, so you can follow that link and find appropriate places from which to link to your new article. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Page creation GB Leighton

Trying to create a page for GB Leighton a band from Minnesota Wmers5 (talk) 03:46, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your attempt at Gb leighton is liable to be deleted, and you have received links on your user talk page to various pages with advice, including how to write your first article. It is wiser to get used to editing existing articles in Misplaced Pages and learning about its principles, rules, and practices before trying to write a new article from scratch. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

References

Hi, I have an article «Draft:Manuel González (guitarist)» that was declined for the following reason:

"The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Misplaced Pages's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners."

However, I cannot see clearly where is the mistake. Would anyone help me with this matter?

It must be easy for an experienced user.

Thank you!

Thomas Tsaraiva (talk) 10:58, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

It isn't immediately obvious to me why that reason was given for declining Draft:Manuel González (guitarist). I will ping the reviewer @Sulfurboy: in the hope that he can explain it to you. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:19, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's unclear. The article is lacking needed inline citations as stated in the decline. The article has points tagged where citations are needed done by another editor. When it comes to BLPs, we are very strict about all claims being cited. Thanks. Sulfurboy (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

So strict in deed that the bits should have been removed immediately instead of tagged. Note that the BLP policy applies to all namespaces, not just in the article space. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I want to write biography of living person, I concerned about rejection by wikipedia

I want to write biography of Dr. A.K. Dwivedi, He is a reputed homeopath in Indore, India, He also won Dhanvantari awards and chikitsa Ratna AWard. He also treated a renal stone of kidney successfully by homeopathic treatment. I am concerning about Misplaced Pages rejection please help so that I can publish this living person biography.Homoeoguru (talk) 11:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Homoeoguru and welcome to the Teahouse. The words "top", "modest" and "well-known" need references if they are to remain in the article. You might like to read WP:Biographies of living persons, and you will need to find independent WP:Reliable sources where the subject has been written about in detail. Dbfirs 12:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I have all references from same news sites, is it works ??Homoeoguru (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

It depends what the news sites are, Homeoguru. Some are regarded as reliable for most purposes, some are unreliable for most purposes, and some are reliable in some areas and not in others. If you're unsure after reading the link Dbfirs gave you, please consult the reliable sources noticeboard. (You could search its archive first, and post a question if nothing relevant comes up). --ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I should have advised you to create your article in draft space because your new article has now been nominated for deletion. Your references were fairly brief mentions which established that the subject exists, but not that he is notable in the Misplaced Pages sense. I know it is common in Indian English to miss out definite articles, but, to Western eyes, this practice diminishes the apparent status of the source. Are you able to find better sources in which the subject has been written about at length? Dbfirs 19:44, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

How to deal with warring

I am interested in putting truthful information on the "William M. Branham" page, like the revival meetings in Africa where thousands of people were healed at once, but some others want to put only negative information on the site and quickly delete anything I put there--even though I document it with newspaper references. I am new to Misplaced Pages and am trying to learn, so I don't know how to deal with this. Also, someone deleted the word "halo" from where it told about the light that appeared over his head in a halo position in a photograph. On the talk pages I'm told that if I put the word back on it will be deleted again. All these things are well documented by historians and other sources. Is there a way to deal with this? Any helpful information will be appreciated. Danpeanuts (talk) 05:50, 31 August 2017Danpeanuts (talk) 12:55, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Danpeanuts. Well, if this edit is a good example, then your content is probably being removed because it is not supported by sources that meet Misplaced Pages's standards for reliability. It looks like there has been some lengthy attempts to discuss exactly that on the talk page. If they are well documented by reputable historians, and printed by reputable well-known publishers, then those are the sources you should be using, and not what are apparently online forums.

At the end of the day, Misplaced Pages is interested in verifiability and not "truth", and if something is true, but is not yet verifiable, then it will need to wait to be added to an article. TimothyJosephWood 13:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

This is the quote from historian David Harrell: "But a shot taken of Rev. Branham, upon development showed a supernatural halo of light above his head". Nothing wrong with what he wrote, because that's similar to what most of the other books say too.

The problem we have here is that about 3 years ago I went to this site and all the information was correct. Since that time, if you will look at the references, you will notice that about 1/2 of them are from Weaver's book. Weaver is a Baptist theologian and he has negative opinions of Branham and even accuses him of being dishonest. Since there are now 2 opinions about Branham isn't there a way to put what they both wrote and give credit to Weaver for his negative opinions and Harrell and the other positive ones credit for what they wrote? I know that the only thing Misplaced Pages cares about is secondary books, whether they are true or not, that's why I am asking if there isn't a way to list opposing views. This page has drastically changed from positive to negative in recent years. Danpeanuts (talk) 07:08, 31 August 2017

References

1. Harrell|All Things are Possible|Indiana University Press|1975|p.34

Normally, when there are competing views in otherwise equally reliable sources, Misplaced Pages tries to present them as they are (e.g., Source 1 said this. Source two said that.) But if you can't reach a local consensus with other editors on the talk page, the usual next step is to follow the dispute resolution process, and try to get input from others who are uninvolved. TimothyJosephWood 14:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Help required in drafting Misplaced Pages page

Hello, I am trying to draft a Misplaced Pages page for my band New Celeste. Can somebody help me find out how to reference historical details and prove notability? Iainmf (talk) 15:07, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Iainmf. Overall, in order to qualify for a Misplaced Pages article, a subject needs to have received sustained in depth coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Looking around a quick news search, it looks like there are very few times that the words New Celeste are used in that order at all, and none of them seem to be in reference to a band of any sort. It therefore seems doubtful that the subject would meet our standards for notability. TimothyJosephWood 15:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

One source that may help is http://theafterword.co.uk/new-celeste-a-perfect-sky/ . But one won't be enough, and I failed to find another. Maproom (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey TimothyJosephWood. If you put the words "New Celeste" into google, you will find many references to my band? We were formed in 1975 and have recorded 7 albums in several different European countries over 6 decades. :-) Furthermore New Celeste is referenced on at least two other well known bands' Misplaced Pages pages - see Runrig (Formation and early years) and Wet Wet Wet (Background information and Formation and early years) Iainmf (talk) 15:22, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Well Iainmf, I was specifically doing a news search and not just an open web search. If you simply google it, then the first page of things is pretty much social media and the official website, none of which count toward notability. But if the band has in fact been the subject of things like published reviews and other reputable media coverage, then it may meet notability, but you're going to have to definitively locate that kind of coverage in order to demonstrate that. TimothyJosephWood 15:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay thanks for that Timothyjosephwood‬ I can certainly find a few published reviews and other reputable media coverage, but how do I put those in the draft I'm preparing? I know how to link references to other Misplaced Pages pages using and but where and how do I reference published reviews and other reputable media coverage? Iainmf (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood: Iainmf (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC) I think I know how to address you now. :-) Iainmf (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Do I simply add a references section at the bottom of the draft and then add the references like this ] and ] Iainmf (talk) 15:58, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Iainmf. There are multiple ways to include references, but probably the easiest and most common is to use: <ref>REFERENCE HERE</ref> and {{reflist}} . So for example when you type this:

Johnny told the devil "you son of a gun, I'm the best there's ever been."<ref>The Devil went down to Georgia. (1979) Charlie Daniels. ''Epic Records''.</ref>

==References==
 {{reflist}}

What you get is something like this:

Johnny told the devil "you son of a gun, I'm the best there's ever been."

References

1. The Devil went down to Georgia. (1979) Charlie Daniels. Epic Records.

Hopefully that helps. You may also want to check out our tutorial on referencing for beginners at WP:REFB. TimothyJosephWood 16:05, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay excellent Timothyjosephwood many thanks for that, I shall get on with doing that this evening. You've been a great help and Maproom too Iainmf (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Still don't know how to send messages to your mailbox though. :-) Iainmf (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Iainmf, you can send a "ping" a few different ways, for example:

] - User:Timothyjosephwood

] - Timothyjosephwood

{{yo|Timothyjosephwood}} - @Timothyjosephwood:

{{ping|Timothyjosephwood}} - @Timothyjosephwood:

Your previous ping didn't work because you didn't preface it with User:. So it tried to point to an article named Timothyjosephwood. TimothyJosephWood 16:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Timothyjosephwood Okay excellent, now I know how to do that too. :-) 81.149.253.201 (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I want to add a country to the list on Rarbg, but I don't know how to

Bananador (talk) 16:55, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Bananador. In order to add the information, you need to start with a reliable source for where the information comes from. TimothyJosephWood 17:01, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

ThePinkCats (talk) 20:02, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Citation question

How do I add a citation for a fact from a reference (a journal) that is already listed as a reference?The steno pool (talk) 19:58, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Linguistic Mystery

My grammatical question is regarding one specific sentence (sorry if I am not asking in the right place, I am new to wiki) :

To confirm your miles balance, just purchase and fly with Alitalia or the Partner Airlines to any destination and for any fare, between 25 May and 24 June 2017.

What is confusing is that it seems to be an ambiguous phrase tree(?) Purchase and fly with .. it is two different verbs. Flying is the one tagged to the dates and purchase is the requirement.. Or am I wrong?

Would you feel that means that the purchase also has to happen between 25 May and 24 June? I read it to mean purchase, and the dates relate to the travel and not the purchase.

My thoughts are it was erroneously translated from Italian (we would say May 24th in USA) as this is alitalia.

Below is the entire context:

According to the terms and conditions, when no new miles have been earned under the Program over a period of 24 months, the miles in the account expire and are cancelled.

But you are still in time to save them!

To confirm your miles balance, just purchase and fly with Alitalia or the Partner Airlines to any destination and for any fare, between 25 May and 24 June 2017.

Please help me !! I know it has something to do with linked or unlinked verbs (conjunctive verb, verb branch? ) ThePinkCats (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC) ThePinkCats ThePinkCats (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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