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On Template:Designation, I see this at the top when I pull up the page:

| colspan=2 align=center style="border:4px solid #A8EDEF;"|Invalid designation

I think this might have happened with this 2011 edit of yours. Is it supposed to look like that? — Maile (talk) 11:57, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes I believe this is correct. Of course it won't appear like that in articles because there it sits inside some other code. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:11, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Observation

Hey Martin, I noticed that you have posted a message on a disputed edit/edit war to the Beachwood, Ohio article on a user's talk page and I wanted to get more feedback from you on it. Your notification on the talk page of Mark162 follows a message that I had left for him previously. I'm not entirely sure what the editor's angle is, however, given a cursory look at the limited scope and tenure of his edit history, it certainly appears that he has very specific interests in Misplaced Pages, mainly revolving around the Jewish community in Greater Cleveland and more specifically its BBYO presence there, which is fine (we as Wikipedians often focus on articles that are directly related to our personal interests and passions). However, as you may or may not have seen already, his edits to both the Beachwood article and Jews and Judaism in Cleveland are running between off topic and in some cases speculative original research, not to mention adding some POV wording and in at least one instance his contributions sound like marketing. I have been re-editing these articles to both clean up his prose, but also to keep the articles sounding encyclopedic. Additionally, I have left a message on his talk page but I don't think he paid it much mind because he keeps going back in and undoing my corrections. I'm trying to be diplomatic, but I don't get the impression that this user really understands what Misplaced Pages is about, let alone has a grasp of writing effectively in an expository fashion. If you would, please take a look at those two articles and let me know what you think. Thank you. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 18:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and I can see some of the problems. I will continue to monitor this editor when time allows. Suggest you keep trying to communicate appropriately, but it may take a short block to get his attention. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Update: The edit war appears to have been resumed. The editor keeps adding info that offers nothing not already stated in the article and actually just makes it wordier (not to mention also makes a broad assumption about the racial profile of families relocating). Please take a look at the differences in the edit history and let me know what you think. Thank you. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 04:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Blocked for 48 hours — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:22, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

List of active Pakistan Navy ships

Adamgerber80 keeps deleting relevant data for Pakistan Navy Ships and updates , I have picked up data from news sources, national news paper and Defence journals, not sure what is his problem ?

• I updated the pages with recent purchases
• I updated the pages with recent MPV boats purchased
• I upated information from most current sources as I am a avid follower for Pakistan Navy

The Adamerber80 fella is not going to let anyone update the pages with relevant information !!!! Need action please !!!! This is so discouraging to fans of Pakistan Navy who want to keep the pages current that is the whole point of wiki ... the page is disghustingly outdated the guy keeps deleting stuff!!! I am still getting used to the talk function etc

Like if I spend 40 hours on defence purchases and news , and I am updating the wiki page with latest info what is the problem here ? This is my faourite hobby Sky1two (talk) 23:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi MSGJ, I have replied to the user multiple times on the talk page but the editor does not wish to engage in a discussion or build consensus. The editor was also involved in copy-right violation of media on Wikimedia Commons which earned them a block there. The same behavior has been repeated here. It would be great if you could take a look into this. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 23:54, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Sky1two: thanks for your efforts to improve the page, but they must conform to Misplaced Pages's policies and norms. Please can you respond to the comments at Talk:List of active Pakistan Navy ships? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:08, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I have added comments on the Navy List Page , talk to indicate the user adamgerber80 is removing correct data with sources I have provided 1-2 links with newspapers and sources to support statements Sky1two (talk) 13:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Legacypac

Hi MSGJ. I've just taken a look at Legacypac's appeal against the block you placed, and I have to say, I'm inclined to unblock. The last revert he made (that I've found) was prior to his engagement in the talkpage thread (since he wasn't correctly pinged about it), and since that point he hasn't made any further reverts and has instead engaged in discussion. I'll grant that the editing done at the refdesk was less than stellar, but given the timing, the ongoing discussion and the statement I will not close any more refdesk threads at all, I don't see that this block is preventing damage to Misplaced Pages any more, and am thinking about lifting it. What's your opinion? Yunshui _水 16:11, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• I was in the process of responding to the unblock when I saw the ec. I am inclined to agree with Yunshui. Legacy didn't actually break 3RR (I see two reverts on one thread and two on another), and so even if we combine the two sets the ongoing discussions and claim of not pursuing such matters further leads me to be somewhat sympathetic. Primefac (talk) 16:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Quick reply. Correct, there were 4 reverts. They may not have been within 24 hours so perhaps not technically a breach of 3RR, but edit warring nonetheless. I did not notice the promise to not continue, actually. But all in all the behaviour was quite disruptive and I think the block was justified. But I am offline now so if you really think he should be unblocked then I'll not stand in the way. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:53, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui. Your reasoning that the block is no longer preventing damage to Misplaced Pages is sound. Blocks are not supposed to be punitive so I will not oppose the unblock. However I think the block was fully justified in the first place, and I would like the unblock message to reflect that. --Trovatore (talk) 19:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I accept these points and have now unblocked — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

thank-you for unblocking. You will understand that I feel the block was quite inappropriate. Legacypac (talk) 00:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I understand that you would feel that way. But I think you would find that the community takes a dim view of such antics and you are likely to be blocked again if any such behaviour continues. In particular, the lack of awareness shown by reporting an editor to AN3 when your behaviour was worse than theirs, is astounding! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:09, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

You soiled my block log when I was not edit warring, did not cross 3RR and obviously was not planning to continue to revert. I filed a report about an editor who twice reverted my policy based closes claiming I was being POINTY (itself a very pointy action). I take a dim view of such Admin antics. Just because you got the bit does not make you better than me or give you license to inappropriately block me. Such abuse by Admins soiling my block log is the reason I’ll never get the bit myself even through in every other area of my volunteer work I quickly get asked to take on the most responsible positions. You are just lucky you were not blocked inappropriately before you passed an RfA. If Misplaced Pages was not such a useful tool on the internet, or if I thought the Admins owned it, I’d quit. Instead I’ll hold the Admins to account as required. Legacypac (talk) 19:03, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Block of Legacypac

I am aware of the high emotions being generated by the RD issues at the moment MSGJ, however I would suggest that Legacypac was acting in good faith was was not attempting to be disruptive. I would suggest the block be shortened to 24 hours, or ideally, removed with an admonition. Regards Irondome (talk) 02:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

This appears to have been resolved. Striking above comment. Regards, Irondome (talk) 02:04, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi MSGJ / Martin. I just wanted to send you a message (I think this is the proper way to do that) to thank you for your advocacy with regards to my recent account ban.

Although what this situation has shown me again, as if I needed any reminding of the fact, is that Misplaced Pages is a very insular culture overly concerned with its own rules, to the detriment of actually properly covering information. C'est la vie.

But, anyway, thank you again, I appreciate it. terrisus / Eric.

P.S. If I sent this message in an improper/incorrect way, feel free to delete and I apologize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrisus (talk • contribs) 20:50, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

@Terrisus: no problem. There did seem to be a gap in common sense going on there. (But I trust you have learned from this incident, and will not attempt to link to "unreliable" websites, particularly your own!) Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:51, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Watchlist legend help

Hi Martin, and thanks again for your help. On MediaWiki:Wikibase-rc-wikibase-edit-title, for the sake of consistency, do you think we should add the underline to the "d" in Wikidata? ( Edit made at Wiki{{underline|d}}ata ) Eric 14:29, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I just copy pasted, and for some reason it doesn't underline on my browser. Done now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:49, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, and found the last one with help from gang at VPT: MediaWiki:Ores-damaging-legend. Eric 15:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Would you care to comment?

The terms of Darkness Shines' ban being lifted was that DS remain civil. More input would be welcome. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Lift the Block and DS will go back at it, only at a 'slower' pace to avoid another block; you will have less headaches if you and this topic to those DS is already banned, IMO. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 15:12, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Darkness Shines

Just FYI, he's now back to reverting people after promising you he wouldn't. At Patriot Prayer. PeterTheFourth (talk) 11:33, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Wow two block shoppers, what I actually said. But obviously it is OK for you to break 1RR and make changes without consensus. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:04, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

• Note -From DS' Talk page, quote:

"Patriot prayer

Just wanted to point out that CW Gilmore was topic banned from PP, and that your refusal to reach consensus there seems more disruptive than anything Gilmore was doing, please be civil and discuss things rather that just threatening to edit war. (to any admins reading this I am opposed to any sanctions on Darkness Shines at this time) Tornado chaser (talk) 13:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)" C. W. Gilmore (talk) 12:12, 12 November 2017 (UTC)