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==Neutral point of view== ==Neutral point of view==
This article is a long list of everything Israel has ever been accused of, mashed together in a big list that reads as a piece that is supposed to outline why Israel is bad.'''<span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span>]]''' 19:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC) This article is a long list of everything Israel has ever been accused of, mashed together in a big list that reads as a piece that is supposed to outline why Israel is bad.'''<span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span>]]''' 19:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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This article is a long list of everything Israel has ever been accused of, mashed together in a big list that reads as a piece that is supposed to outline why Israel is bad.—♦♦ AMBER 19:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@Amberrock: The type of this article isn't rare. you can see similar articles such as USA, Qatar, Soviet Union, Pakistan, Iran and Russia. Also, I didn't speak about facts I just gathered a list of existing accusations in another articles.Homiho (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Meh, the intro needs to be paraphrased. But there's nothing here that is not a neutral point of view Makeandtoss (talk) 13:50, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
@Makeandtoss: Why should the intro be paraphrased?Homiho (talk) 15:08, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Uses an unprofessional tone. Also lead should summarize the info in article in accordance with their level of coverage and importance.Makeandtoss (talk) 15:18, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
I should have used "rewritten" instead of "paraphrased" my bad..Makeandtoss (talk) 16:12, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. This needs a thorough rewrite. In places it is not coherent. If we are to have such an article, the standard needs to be MUCH higher than this. Edwardx (talk) 13:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

This article consists mainly of someone copying parts of the lead from various existing articles about various incidents Israel may or may not have been involved in. There is no source connecting all the incidents to each other or saying they consist of state sponsored terrorism. The lead is just a bunch of OR and doesn't even pretend to summarize the body of the article. This article should be deleted. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 04:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I looked at the other articles that Homiho mentioned about state-sponsored terrorism in the USA, Qatar, Soviet Union, Pakistan, Iran and Russia. The difference between this and the other articles is the tone. This article is riddled with "proofs" garnered from hints, theories, unnamed sources, and accusations by Israel's enemies. It is a dumping ground for every anti-Israel accusation ever printed. If this isn't taken to AFD, it is a candidate for blow it up and start over. Yoninah (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Ding! I'm deleting the "X alleges". --Monochrome_Monitor 16:02, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I cut out all of the stuff that was a dumping ground for every dictator that has called israel a terrorist state.Those are accusations of state terrorism, not state-sponsored terrorism. @No More Mr Nice Guy: @Yoninah: please check this out.--Monochrome_Monitor 19:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Why in the world would you remove the passage concerning the illegal massacre perpetrated by Israel on the Gaza flotilla raid? This fits the precise criteria for a terrorist attack. From a precursory glance, it seems to me that your primary intent was to whitewash Israel's acts of terrorism. I may be wrong, but could a neutral observer please double check if this user was justified in concealing a plethora of apparently relevant convictions? 173.80.216.66 (talk) 05:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

@Monochrome Monitor: I reverted your edits. Please explain about your edits step by step to reach an agreement.Homiho (talk) 06:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

You are wrong annony. The UN ruled the blockade is legal. It's a fringe position to call its enforcement "terrorism". My explanation is that this article includes tons of examples that aren't of state-sponsored terrorism, they are of state terrorism, which is too marginal for wikipedia. The tone is terrible, and overall this article was and now is a huge disaster. I'm not the only one who pointed this out. @No More Mr Nice Guy: @Amberrock: @Yoninah: They did too... but they haven't heard my pings. UGH.--Monochrome_Monitor 06:26, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree with MM. Moreover, per ONUS it's the responsibility of those who want to include to gain consensus. I see now that most of this horrible article is the work of one person, the same person who is now objecting to the removal. The lead is an essay unrelated to the body of the article. Most of the rest is OR. This article should be deleted. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 16:53, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed - this article is an embarrassment to Misplaced Pages. Either trim it right back or delete it altogether. Edwardx (talk) 23:09, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
In my opinion, this article is in line with the other articles on state terrorism. The only difference I can ascertain is the religion of the accused and accusers. It seems that popular opinion unfairly dictates that terrorism accusations made by heads of states who are not American or Christian (e.g. Saudi, Turkish, Jordanian) carry far less weight than those coming from American Christians. On the other hand, I concede that the article could use some copyediting for grammar as well as some responses by the Israeli government to each of these incidents in order to balance the neutrality. 173.80.216.66 (talk) 20:17, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

"This article is in line with the other articles on state terrorism". Thats exactly the probably. It's not state terrorism. It's called state-sponsored terrorism, and yes, there is a difference. Pretty much every nation that's been around the block has sponsored terrorists, including Israel, notably against Iran. State terrorism is different. Examples of state terrorism should be removed from this page. That's what I did.--Monochrome_Monitor 01:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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